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Re: ?Best Upgrade System for Old iMac 8,1 w/10.5?

From Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: ?Best Upgrade System for Old iMac 8,1 w/10.5?
Date 2015-05-02 12:22 -0400
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On 5/1/15 7:40 p, David Empson wrote:
> Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
>
>>>> I have some friends who have an iMac 8,1 early 2008 Intel, 4GB RAM (the
>>>> max), and running OS 10.5. According to MacTracker, the machine will run
>>>> up to to 10.9.
>
> Apple doesn't do aftermarket memory upgrades. You would need to get the
> memory from somewhere like Other World Computing and install it
> yourself.
>
> It isn't particularly cost effective: the 4 GB module required for that
> model is over US$100, which is more than three times the price of the
> corresponding 2 GB module.
>
> http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/5300DDR2S4GB/
>
> If you can justify the cost, it is probably worth it for the likely
> performance boost (assuming the same working set: less need for memory
> compression and less hard drive activity from swapping).

Right, I was not planning to suggest to them spending the money for the 
upgrade from 4GB to 6GB since the machine is old. However, if the system 
upgrade goes well and it seems just a little speed might be with more 
RAM, we'd reconsider.

>>>> The other alternative is to just buy a new machine. Do you think this OS
>>>> upgrading is not worth the effort?
>>>
>>> If you want to migrate your data from the existing iMac to a new one,
>>> you have to update the old one to 10.6.x anyway...
>>
>> Not to pick a nit, but importing data from a 10.5 (Intel) diskimage
>> should work, right?
>
> Not if you want to use Migration Assistant (or Setup Assistant during
> initial setup). For recent OS X versions, the source Mac for a migration
> must be running 10.6 or later.

*Thank*you*, David! That's a *very* valuable piece of info. (I should 
have guessed it.) While I was pondering this project, I was thinking 
that since I had the 10.9 installer I might be able to bypass having 
them install 10.6. Now I know I can't because using Migration Assistant 
is crucial. These folks are computer literate, but not power users. Also 
this 2008 Mac was their first, so they don't have a lot of cruft to weed 
out, which might justify a manual migration.

> It was possible to migrate from 10.5 to 10.8, but not from 10.5 to 10.9
> or 10.10. In fact, Apple stretched the minimum version by one for 10.10:
> for 10.6 through 10.9, the limit was migrating from three versions
> earlier.
>
> Manual copying from 10.5 to 10.10 is possible, but a lot more work as
> you would have to export a fair amount of stuff on the old Mac which is
> stored in databases (e.g. Address Book, iCal) and import it on the new
> Mac.

Lewis claims 10.10 would run as fast as 10.9 on this old machine. I can 
always tell them to invest in a new machine, though I'm sure they'd 
rather not spend the money till they absolutely have to. What's your 
opinion?

Because of the significant interface revisions in 10.10 and the related 
complaints, I'm very hesitant to dump 10.10 on them. Do you have an 
opinion as to whether 10.9 or 10.10 would be speedier and easier to use 
on this machine? Thanks for responding.

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?Best Upgrade System for Old iMac 8,1 w/10.5? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-04-30 14:14 -0400
  Re: ?Best Upgrade System for Old iMac 8,1 w/10.5? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-30 14:44 -0400
    Re: ?Best Upgrade System for Old iMac 8,1 w/10.5? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-05-01 12:19 -0400
      Re: ?Best Upgrade System for Old iMac 8,1 w/10.5? Warren Oates <Warren.Oates@gmail.com> - 2015-05-01 12:35 -0400
  Re: ?Best Upgrade System for Old iMac 8,1 w/10.5? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-05-01 05:47 +0000
    Re: ?Best Upgrade System for Old iMac 8,1 w/10.5? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-01 02:22 -0400
      Re: ?Best Upgrade System for Old iMac 8,1 w/10.5? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-05-01 12:15 -0400
        Re: ?Best Upgrade System for Old iMac 8,1 w/10.5? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-05-01 12:39 -0400
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    Re: ?Best Upgrade System for Old iMac 8,1 w/10.5? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-05-01 12:12 -0400
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            Re: ?Best Upgrade System for Old iMac 8,1 w/10.5? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-05-03 16:20 +1200
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                Re: ?Best Upgrade System for Old iMac 8,1 w/10.5? Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-05-04 11:27 -0400
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