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Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices'

From Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices'
Date 2015-03-10 18:26 -0700
Organization Chaotic Creations Unlimited
Message-ID <mdo5db$1vs$2@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References <cm8p3oFojh5U2@mid.individual.net> <mdo0mj$od8$1@dont-email.me> <100320151807038081%michelle@michelle.org>

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In article <100320151807038081%michelle@michelle.org>,
 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <mdo0mj$od8$1@dont-email.me>, Electric Comet
> <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > On 10 Mar 2015 17:48:41 GMT
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Fuckers.
> > > 
> > >
> > > <http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/10/cia-tried-to-crack-secu
> > > ri
> > > ty-of-apple-devies>
> > 
> > Why would they need to crack it or anything else? The backdoors in
> > software is endless. Hardware as well.
> 
> They tried to crack it because there aren't any backdoors that they, or
> anyone else, can find.

That anyone will ADMIT to finding...

Bet on this: If/when one of the TLAs does manage to crack the security 
of <insert device of your choosing> they *WILL NOT* make an announcement 
saying they've done so. They'll sit back and quietly harvest as much 
data using that channel as they possibly can. If/when the fact that 
they've cracked it is discovered, they'll either deny it ("Wuddaya mean? 
OF COURSE it's secure! We'd LOVE to be able to snoop that device, but 
nobody has figured out how!") until such denial is totally unbelievable 
by any but the dumbest, or claim that they only managed to do it "day 
before yesterday - we're tooling up to put it to use, but haven't got 
there yet".  

> 
> > Most smart people knew/know that crypto hardware was and still is
> > compromised.
> 
> Thus far, not these Apple devices.

So far as anyone will admit...

> 
> > Some of the backdoors are getting closed nowadays but it's just
> > like closing the barn door when the horse is already running
> 
> Can't close something that wasn't there to be opened in the first place.

Or if nobody is claiming that it's open, so nobody notices...

> 
> > yeah the TLA tried and failed, nothing to see here, move along
> 
> That failure is plenty enough to see.

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CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-10 17:48 +0000
  Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-10 16:57 -0700
    Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-10 18:07 -0700
      Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-03-10 18:26 -0700
        Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-03-10 18:31 -0700
          Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-03-10 21:41 -0700
            Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-12 01:54 -0400
              Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-03-12 06:49 -0700
              Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-03-12 08:43 -0700
              Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-03-12 19:03 -0400
          Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-03-12 13:22 -0700
            Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-12 22:30 +0000
              Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-12 23:04 +0000
                Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-13 01:28 +0000
              Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-13 01:28 +0000
              Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-13 01:56 +0000
                Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 02:12 +0000
                Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-03-12 20:14 -0700
                Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-13 00:30 -0400
                Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-13 09:11 -0400
                Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 14:00 +0000
                Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-03-13 16:17 -0400
                Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 21:06 +0000
                Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-03-14 14:02 -0400
                Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-14 19:48 +0000
                Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-03-14 17:02 -0400
      Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2015-03-10 21:12 -0700
        Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 08:44 -0700
  Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2015-03-12 19:49 -0500
    Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 01:14 +0000
      Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Leonard Oglesby <email@domain.com> - 2015-03-12 21:49 -0700
        Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-03-13 01:58 -0400
        Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 14:02 +0000
        Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-03-13 18:43 -0500
    Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Me, myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> - 2015-03-13 08:14 +0100
      Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 14:03 +0000
        Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-03-13 07:27 -0700
        Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Me, myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> - 2015-03-13 15:55 +0100
          Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 15:11 +0000
            Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Me, myself and I <baiheli.pip.li@xs4all.nl> - 2015-03-14 12:38 +0100
              Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-14 12:46 +0000
                Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2015-03-14 23:01 -0700
                Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-03-16 08:53 -0700
              Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-14 16:01 +0000
          Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-13 12:20 -0400
            Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-13 16:36 +0000
      Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-13 17:25 +0000
        Re: CIA 'tried to crack security of Apple devices' tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.org> - 2015-03-16 12:36 -0700

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