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Re: OS X Yoshmite

From Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: OS X Yoshmite
Date 2014-06-30 11:57 -0700
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On 2014-06-30 18:48:00 +0000, williamwright.orsk@gmail.com said:

> On Monday, 30 June 2014 03:17:54 UTC+1, Davoud  wrote:
>> williamwright.orsk:
>> 
>>> Wow, a person who uses a UNIX based system does not know what a Package
>> 
>>> Manager is!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The key phrase is UNIX-based. The average Mac user is just that--a user
>> 
>> with work to do, not a hobbyist who plays with the underlying OS. If
>> 
>> she wants to run UNIX software she gets one of the numerous package
>> 
>> managers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> No wonder Mac users are brain dead losers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It must be hell, living with Mac envy.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
>> 
>> you will say in your entire life.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
> 
> Why would I have envy at Mac?
> 
> http://wanderingstan.com/2009-12-11/65-reasons-mac-sucks

Do you want me to list how many ways that is out of date or simply wrong?

"1. The menu bar on the Mac makes no sense. It is based on 1984 
technology when only one program ran at a time, so every window on the 
screen belonged to the same program. This approach is ridiculous today 
when it’s not uncommon to have 15 or more programs running at once, 
each with several windows, spread across a multiple monitors. For 
example, I keep Skype and Adium windows open on the far right of my 
external monitor. To edit a Skype setting, I must navigate to the 
opposite side of the desktop, across two entire screen widths, just to 
reach a menu option."

Out of date.

"2. Menu actions take effect on the “topmost” window of an application, 
but in an age of multiple screens, this is often ambiguous. If I have 
two screens, and each screen has a window sitting on top, which window 
is the one I’m operating on?"

Wrong. There is an unambiguous and consistent method for knowing what 
the top-most window is.

"3. Ghost programs. Program can be running but with no windows, 
existing only as menu bar. Furthermore, when no windows for an app are 
open, you get the nonsense situation where many menu actions (E.g. “New 
Folder” in finder) make no sense at all."

Wrong. In the Finder, there is always a window open: the desktop. And 
"New Folder" creates one there when no other window is open. Clicking 
on a so-called "ghost program" in the dock (not "menu bar") results in 
a new document for that program opening.

"4. Confusing situations when menu bar of window-less app is showing 
over window of other program. The natural instinct is to think that the 
menu bar relates to the window which is filling the screen, but the 
interface leads you astray."

Except all such windows show with their controls and title bar text grayed out.

"5. No copy-n-paste from calculator widget or dictionary, or any 
widgets. Just today I needed to calculate the number of seconds in 2 
years. It was easy to do use the Mac calculator and even get the 
answer: 63,072,000. But it is impossible to copy that answer into my 
file."

At the very least, badly out of date.

"6. Undraggable. It is impossible to drag something (like a file from 
Finder) to an application which is not currently visible. You must 
carefully arrange windows ahead of time so that both are visible.  In 
Windows. you can drag to a program in the task bar, which then will 
bring that application window to the front. (Furthermore, in Windows 
when you drag to the task bar, you can even select from multiple 
windows of the application.)"

At the very least, badly out of date.


I can go on for a LONG time.

:-)

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OS X Yoshmite Dick Fiddler <williamwright.orsk@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 04:46 -0700
  Re: OS X Yoshmite "Mr. Strat" <mrstrat@nospam.gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 06:40 -0700
    Re: OS X Yoshmite George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-27 12:59 -0500
    Re: OS X Yoshmite George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-27 13:00 -0500
    Re: OS X Yoshmite FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 16:03 -0400
      Re: OS X Yoshmite billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-29 18:27 +0000
    Re: OS X Yoshmite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-28 22:00 +0000
  Re: OS X Yoshmite Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-27 06:47 -0700
    Re: OS X Yoshmite williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-06-27 06:58 -0700
      Re: OS X Yoshmite claudel@sonic.net (Claude V. Lucas) - 2014-06-27 14:40 +0000
        Re: OS X Yoshmite williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-06-27 09:15 -0700
          Re: OS X Yoshmite billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-27 16:35 +0000
            Re: OS X Yoshmite williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-06-29 12:32 -0700
              Re: OS X Yoshmite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-29 12:51 -0700
              Re: OS X Yoshmite billy@MIX.COM - 2014-06-29 21:08 +0000
          Re: OS X Yoshmite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-27 16:37 +0000
          Re: OS X Yoshmite George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-27 13:04 -0500
          Re: OS X Yoshmite M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2014-06-27 22:20 -0400
            Re: OS X Yoshmite williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-06-29 12:39 -0700
              Re: OS X Yoshmite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-29 12:58 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-06-30 04:34 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-02 09:30 -0500
              Re: OS X Yoshmite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-29 20:41 +0000
                Re: OS X Yoshmite williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-06-30 04:35 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-01 09:05 +1200
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-01 02:54 +0000
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-30 19:55 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-07-01 09:27 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-07-01 18:22 +0100
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-01 11:37 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-02 09:10 +1200
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-01 22:18 +0000
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-01 22:22 +0000
              Re: OS X Yoshmite Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-06-29 22:17 -0400
                Re: OS X Yoshmite williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-06-30 04:37 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-30 06:54 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-06-30 08:08 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-30 08:20 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-06-30 10:44 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-30 12:12 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-30 14:42 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-30 17:44 -0400
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-30 18:00 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-30 14:47 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-30 18:05 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-30 18:16 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-30 20:52 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-01 02:58 +0000
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-30 20:59 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-02 09:31 -0500
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-01 09:06 +1200
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-06-30 22:16 +0100
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-07-01 09:34 +1200
                Re: OS X Yoshmite williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-06-30 11:48 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-30 11:57 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-30 12:16 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-06-30 14:40 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Philip Shaw <jnufcvyvuc@tznvy.pbz> - 2014-07-02 13:22 +0000
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-30 12:14 -0700
                Re: OS X Yoshmite David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2014-07-01 13:46 -0400
              Re: OS X Yoshmite Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-30 00:51 -0700
          Re: OS X Yoshmite Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-27 20:39 -0700
            Re: OS X Yoshmite williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-06-29 12:33 -0700
              Re: OS X Yoshmite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-29 12:53 -0700
              Re: OS X Yoshmite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-29 20:38 +0000
              Re: OS X Yoshmite FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2014-06-30 03:40 -0400
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-01 08:22 -0400
                Re: OS X Yoshmite nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-01 10:22 -0400
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-07-01 16:22 +0000
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-07-01 22:10 -0500
                Re: OS X Yoshmite nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-07-02 11:01 -0400
                Re: OS X Yoshmite Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-07-03 08:13 -0400
              Re: OS X Yoshmite Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-30 00:50 -0700
      Re: OS X Yoshmite George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-06-27 13:02 -0500
      Re: OS X Yoshmite Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-06-27 20:38 -0700
  Re: OS X Yoshmite Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-06-27 13:33 -0500
  Re: OS X Yoshmite Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-06-28 21:45 -0400
    Re: OS X Yoshmite williamwright.orsk@gmail.com - 2014-06-29 12:38 -0700
      Re: OS X Yoshmite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-29 12:55 -0700
      Re: OS X Yoshmite Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-07-01 22:03 -0500
  Re: OS X Yoshmite Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-06-28 20:22 -0700
    Re: OS X Yoshmite Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-06-29 07:05 +0000
      Re: OS X Yoshmite George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2014-07-02 09:25 -0500
  Re: OS X Yoshmite cjwinnard@gmail.com - 2014-06-30 05:36 -0700
  Re: OS X Yoshmite J Burns <burns4@nowhere.com> - 2014-07-01 18:30 -0400

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