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Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome? Lion?

From Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome? Lion?
Date 2012-04-09 21:37 -0400
Organization Ain’t No Organization Here!
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On 04-09-2012 14:48, Barry Margolin wrote:
>   Alan Browne<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>  wrote:
>> On 2012-04-08 19:56 , Wes Groleau wrote:
>>
>> Mac when I advised it, two of the things they do need that none of the
>> teens did are defragmentation and malware protection. .
>>
>> Defrag? Puh-leaze.
>>
>> Never used it after Windows 95.  As disks got larger defrag became more
>> and more pointless. (Never mind diminishing returns - it was negative
>> returns as the computer was out of service (or slow) during de-frag and
>> it just added wear and tear to the drive).
>
> I think that was his point: even though there's no reason to do it, it
> has become part of the culture, so the practice continued.  The fact
> that these teens defragged is an indication that they didn't know what
> they were doing.

No, you only read what he quoted.  I've restored a little context.
They had Windows XP, as I do at work.  And at work, I have more than 
enough evidence that fragmentation gradually slows down Windows XP and 
any earlier version if you have files of any significant size.

During degragmentation, the system is slower than one that doesn't need 
defragging--but not as slow as one that's 75% red (red being the color 
of fragments in the defragger GUI.  But I am not demanding a responsive 
system 'round the clock--I eat, sleep, bathe, shop, commute,
go to church, etc., etc.  And every time I went down there, I found that
the results of defragging their machine were noticeable.

Alan also mentioned the availablity of free anti-malware solutions.
I am well aware of that.  But apparently, these teens are not--or 
thought it didn't matter.

So, I stand by my statement that

 > My general suggestion to users who don't already have someone like me
 > managing their system for them is that they should find a teenager who
 > knows their way around the computer and ask them to help.

is not good advice.  The person who needs such help is not qualified to 
distinguish between the teenage minority that can actually help and the 
majority that will like as not make things worse.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   Pat's Polemics
   http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/barrett

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Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-07 09:43 -0400
  Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2012-04-07 08:30 -0700
    Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-07 11:46 -0400
      Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2012-04-07 09:04 -0700
        Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-07 13:59 -0400
          Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-07 18:43 -0400
            Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-07 23:01 -0400
              Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-07 23:26 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-08 14:14 -0400
              Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-08 14:12 +0200
              Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-09 16:36 -0400
    Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-07 12:05 -0400
      Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2012-04-07 09:07 -0700
        Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-04-07 22:32 -0700
          Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-04-08 23:01 +1200
  Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-07 08:59 -0700
    Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-07 13:56 -0400
      Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-04-07 11:18 -0700
        Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-04-08 10:17 +1200
          Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-04-07 19:53 -0400
            Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-07 23:04 -0400
              Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-04-07 23:40 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-04-08 16:32 +1200
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-08 14:18 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-04-08 17:40 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-08 19:56 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-04-08 22:36 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-09 00:32 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-09 09:21 +0200
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-09 11:37 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-04-09 14:48 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-09 15:33 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-09 21:41 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-10 17:36 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-10 23:15 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-09 21:42 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-09 21:37 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-10 17:35 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-04-10 23:19 -0400
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-04-11 10:40 +0200
                Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-10 17:36 -0400
        Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-08 09:07 -0400
  Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-07 19:05 -0400
    Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-04-08 00:24 +0100
    Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2012-04-08 16:32 +1200
  Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Rob Friefeld <someone@verizon.net> - 2012-04-08 10:59 -0700
    Re: Does the Flashback trojan affect Chrome?  Lion? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-04-09 16:26 -0400

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