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Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera

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On 2012-08-22 00:37:38 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:

> On 2012-08-21 22:17:46 -0700, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:
> 
>> In article <2012082119032275249-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>>  Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>> First you have to compare like images. The iPad, iPhone are jpeg
>>>>> files while the NEF is an unprocessed RAW file and has to minimally
>>>>> be processed via a Raw converter.
>>>> 
>>>> Why?  I was trying to show the best that each device can do.
>>> 
>>> Fine. However, there are a few things to consider when viewing an
>>> unprocessed RAW file, especially a NEF when compared to the in camera
>>> sharpening, noise reduction, contrast,  and saturation levels applied to
>>> jpegs. That includes jpegs captured in your D70, iPhone, or iPad.
>> 
>> I didn't let any apps touch the iOS images; the only in-camera adjustment
>> was to generate the HDR picture.
> 
> I was not referring to anything you might have done, just remember the 
> Camera in the iOS devices is an App.
> All jpeg files in any camera have the raw data from the sensor 
> processed with various proprietary processes to produce the jpeg, 
> regardless of you letting any apps touch the iOS images, they have had 
> the sharpening, saturation, WB, contrast, the iOS developers determined 
> was required for the production of jpegs within the iOS cameras. The 
> production of HDR within iOS is not true multi-exposure HDR, unless you 
> have an app which does that.
> ...and you don't get iOS RAW files from the iPhone, ...yet.
> 
>> 
>>> Also not all here are going to be able to view unprocessed NEFs natively
>> 
>> Really?  All they have to do is download it and open it in Preview.  If
>> they're using a Windows computer, I'm sure it has an application similar to
>> Preview.
> 
> True. However it will still be an apples & oranges comparison as the 
> NEF viewed in Preview will not have the in camera jpeg tweaks to 
> sharpening, contrast, noise reduction, etc. made in the iOS devices. 
> The D70 NEFs were notoriously "soft" and low saturated and always 
> required some fixing in ACR.
> BTW: You have a dust spot up there in the sky. That was another big D70 
> problem, it was a major dust magnet and I learned all my sensor 
> cleaning skills because of it.
> 
>> 
>>>>> That said, of the iOS shots the non-HDR iPhone shot is the best
>>>> 
>>>> Even though it and the iPad shots completely wash out the sky?
>>> 
>>> ...and your point of focus was where?
>>> Any P&S camera, where the exposure metering is some form of matrix
>>> metering around the point of aim is going to give you the "best"
>>> exposure metering it can around the point of aim, and both the iPad &
>>> iPhone are P&S cameras with limited exposure metering choices . Hence
>>> your blown sky.
>> 
>> The point of focus on all of the shots was the plant.
> 
> ...and therefore the highlights were blown
> 
>> 
>>> I then took a look at 100% crops of different areas of each image to
>>> compare. My conclusion was made from that comparison. For the image you
>>> provided, for whatever reason, the iPad shot was poor, with out of
>>> focus detail making for a much softer image than the one produced with
>>> the iPhone.
>> 
>> You still haven't said why you rated the photos the way you did.  I'm not
>> questioning your ratings; I'm asking how you reached your conclusions.  Oh,
>> it would also help if we knew what your qualifications were.
> 
> I am certainly no professional photographer, but I have 50+ years of 
> experience under my belt as a film/digital shooting 
> hobbyist/enthusiast. That includes 14 years of experience with digital 
> photography.
> 
> I believe I said that I looked at 100% crops of several different areas 
> of each image, when making that comparison the foliage in the iPad 
> image is obviously out of focus, it is not in the other three. That is 
> not a criticism of the iPad's photographic ability, but of the image 
> presented for comparison.
> The iPhone shots are OK, with the difference between the two being the 
> blue sky being visible in the HDR treatment. Since there is little 
> difference between the the quality of each and the HDR is produced from 
> the basic camera , I hold that the non-HDR is the better of the two. 
> There is also a dynamic element absent from all three of the iOS images 
> resulting in a slightly dull appearance to them when compared to the 
> D70 shot.
> 
> Then just looking at the overall effect of each and the wider DR is 
> quite apparent in the D70 image when compared to the other three.
> 
> Therefore I stick to my original conclusion regarding the devices used 
> to produce the four images you provided. Ranking them D70, iPhone 
> non-HDR, iPhone HDR, and bringing up the rear the iPad.
> 
> Again with a different four images, with different subjects, and 
> different lighting I might come to a different conclusion.

Here are the crops.
Take a look for yourself, just to keep the playing field even I opened 
all images in Preview and made these 100% crops with Preview.

< 
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lx56l61b7bbj1se/lMrk1c5X0b/Shared%20Images/USENET%20SHARE/iOS-D70-crops 
>

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 08:30 -0700
  Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 09:36 -0700
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 09:39 -0700
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 10:14 -0700
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 15:05 -0700
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 15:21 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 16:04 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 16:13 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 19:10 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 20:43 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 21:07 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-22 02:14 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 23:31 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-22 02:14 -0700
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 15:24 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-08-21 15:51 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 16:08 -0700
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 18:06 -0700
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera John Young <jy@scallawags.net> - 2012-08-21 21:48 -0400
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 20:33 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 22:10 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 22:23 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 23:31 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 23:55 -0700
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 19:29 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 19:40 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 22:09 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2012-08-21 23:31 -0700
    Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 18:01 -0700
      Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-21 19:03 -0700
        Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-21 22:17 -0700
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 00:37 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 00:55 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-22 10:59 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2012-08-22 14:28 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 12:46 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-22 15:37 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 15:58 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-22 16:10 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-22 20:03 -0500
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 20:20 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 09:06 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-23 12:32 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 12:54 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-23 14:33 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-23 15:20 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-23 16:11 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-23 20:53 -0500
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-23 21:05 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-22 20:01 -0500
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVEsPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-22 20:44 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera salgud <spamboy6547@comcast.net> - 2012-08-23 08:12 -0600
          Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-24 17:10 -0400
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 14:20 -0700
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-25 08:03 +1000
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:21 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-25 09:42 -0700
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 13:01 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-26 08:22 +1000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 11:41 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-27 07:38 +1000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-26 17:48 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-27 11:19 +1000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-27 17:13 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-28 08:05 +1000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-27 18:44 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-08-28 11:27 +1000
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-27 20:31 -0500
            Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2012-08-24 21:41 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2012-08-24 22:29 -0700
              Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2012-08-25 09:22 -0400
                Re: does anyone use their iPad as a camera Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2012-08-25 09:38 -0700

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