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Re: Trivia Pixar computers

From nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Trivia Pixar computers
Date 2020-08-19 18:58 -0400
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <190820201858369293%nospam@nospam.invalid> (permalink)
References <7V7YG.151250$HY4.66027@fx37.iad> <190820200634263441%nospam@nospam.invalid> <hq5cjtFpb2eU6@mid.individual.net> <190820201635183437%nospam@nospam.invalid> <hq5i8vFpb2eU10@mid.individual.net>

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In article <hq5i8vFpb2eU10@mid.individual.net>, Snit
<usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> wrote:

> 
> > in fact, what i said was the *opposite*, that apple fully supports
> > virtualization and is the road forward, and you argued against that.
> 
>
> https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_silicon/about_the_rosetta_tran
> slation_environment
>     -----
>     What Can't Be Translated?
> 
>     Rosetta can translate most Intel-based apps, including
>     apps that contain just-in-time (JIT) compilers. However,
>     Rosetta doesn¹t translate the following executables:
> 
>     * Kernel extensions
> 
>     * Virtual Machine apps that virtualize x86_64 computer
>     platforms
>     -----
> 
> I noted I agree with Apple. If you disagree then by all means explain why.

the above is *not* in dispute and has never been in dispute. not a
single person has ever disagreed with it. you are lying again.

as has been explained to you many times before, you don't understand
what you're quoting. it does not say what you think it does.

in particular, you do not understand and refuse to learn about the
difference between virtualization, emulation and translation.

what you quote above *contradicts* what you have said about apple and
virtualization.



> >>  > at the time intel macs were introduced, classic was no longer needed.
> >>  
> >>  Well, you can argue many things are not NEEDED, but there were many who
> >> could still benefit from it and still want it. 
> > 
> > not enough to justify the significant effort to implement it, which is
> > what i said an which you snipped, deliberately trying to alter context.
> 
> I did no such thing. Direct copy and paste from the post I responded to:

yes you did. stop lying.

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > But as the Mac picked up momemtum and mreo and mreo applicatiosn were
> > returning to the platform, the need to maintain "classic" went away.
> 
> that part is true. 
> 
> at the time intel macs were introduced, classic was no longer needed.
> 
> > >> Openstep on Mach (aka: Nextstep with updated API from the Openstep
> > >> developments) had 0 compatibility with existing Mac applications.
> > > 
> > > nobody said it did.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Notice there was no further content from you AT ALL in that section of your
> text, no less something to alter the meaning of that one sentence.  

notice that you are lying. here's the relevant quote:

In article <190820200032159996%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> obviously, classic could not exist on the intel platform without a
> shitload of additional effort, which could not be justified. when intel
> macs were introduced, there was no classic, nor was it needed. 





> >>  Heck, I used Classic Mac the other
> >>  day to show you a feature that was pretty much universal on it, of which
> >>  you
> >>  showed little understanding (and never did show any contrary examples):
> > 
> > as was explained to you, that is *not* a function of the os, but rather
> > a function of the app.
> 
> I spoke of the SYSTEM as a whole. 

you claimed it was an os function. it is not. 

you are wrong and you refuse to admit your error.

> You avoided speaking of the very topic being discussed to, again, just declare
> yourself right and others wrong, even though you fail to back your point.

i did back my point, and as usual, you did not understand and ignored
it.

> As
> far as I know there were NO programs on Classic Mac that had a preferences
> file where this did not work (which is not to say none existed, but I do not
> recall running into any). Do you? I bet not.

there were many apps that did not. it was the exception, not the rule.

as previously explained to you, app developers had to explicitly
special case handling pref files to do what you claim. if they did not,
then the app did *not* switch prefs.

mac os x apps can easily do the same thing, should the app developer
choose to do so, but given that it is unintuitive, a gross hack and
better methods exist, none do.

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Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-10 04:52 -0400
  Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-10 08:02 -0400
    Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-11 02:49 -0400
      Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-11 07:13 +0000
        Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-11 14:04 -0400
          Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-11 20:39 +0000
          Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-11 19:22 -0400
      Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-11 09:39 -0400
        Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-11 09:50 -0700
          Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-11 14:08 -0400
          Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-11 20:37 +0000
            Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-11 17:02 -0700
              Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-12 12:27 +0000
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-12 08:09 -0700
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-12 21:29 +0000
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-12 14:34 -0700
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-12 20:25 -0400
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-12 22:23 -0400
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-12 22:43 -0400
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-12 19:52 -0700
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-13 04:26 +0000
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-13 02:44 -0400
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-13 08:10 +0000
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-13 19:15 -0400
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-13 19:47 -0400
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-14 00:33 +0000
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-14 03:40 +0000
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Wolffan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2020-08-17 08:45 -0400
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-13 09:25 -0400
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-13 13:39 -0700
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-13 19:19 -0400
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-13 23:21 +0000
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-13 19:47 -0400
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-14 00:35 +0000
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-14 03:43 +0000
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-13 04:24 +0000
          Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-11 19:22 -0400
            Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-11 16:58 -0700
              Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-12 12:32 +0000
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-12 08:10 -0700
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-12 21:32 +0000
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-12 14:36 -0700
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-12 20:25 -0400
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-12 22:29 -0400
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-12 22:43 -0400
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              Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-12 08:44 -0400
      Re: Trivia Pixar computers Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2020-08-16 08:25 -0400
        Re: Trivia Pixar computers Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2020-08-16 17:11 +0000
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        Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-16 14:17 -0400
          Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-16 19:00 +0000
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              Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-17 01:14 +0000
            Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-17 07:10 -0400
              Re: Trivia Pixar computers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2020-08-17 21:45 +0000
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-08-18 11:02 -0400
                Re: Trivia Pixar computers JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-08-18 21:01 -0400
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                Re: Trivia Pixar computers Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-08-18 18:39 -0700
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