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  Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-01-27 22:26 -0800
    Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? "Steve W. Jackson" <stevewjackson@knology.net> - 2013-01-28 08:46 -0600
      Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-01-29 02:32 -0800
        Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-01-29 06:45 -0500
          Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2013-01-29 13:26 -0600
            Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2013-01-29 11:36 -0800
            Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-29 15:14 -0500
        Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-01-29 09:34 -0800
          Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2013-01-29 13:26 -0600
            Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? sbt <dogbreath@chaseabone.com.invalid> - 2013-01-29 14:24 -0800
            Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-01-30 09:16 -0800
          Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-30 14:42 +0100
        Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2013-01-29 09:34 -0800
          Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2013-01-29 13:28 -0600
            Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2013-01-29 19:44 +0000
              Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-30 14:38 +0100
          Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> - 2013-01-31 17:48 -0500
        Re: Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-01-30 00:59 +0000

#45 — Can't pause printer in Mac OS X's print queue list with a non-administrator account?

When I try to pause, it asked me to enter an administrator account name 
and its password. Why? I could cancel without any problems. It doesn't 
make any sense.

Thank you in advance. :)
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#46

In article <yZGdnUtUx8O2h5vMnZ2dnUVZ_rcAAAAA@earthlink.com>,
 Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> When I try to pause, it asked me to enter an administrator account name 
> and its password. Why? I could cancel without any problems. It doesn't 
> make any sense.
> 
> Thank you in advance. :)

You should be able to delete documents in the queue if they belong to 
your non-admin account that printed them.  But pausing the queue is a 
system-wide thing and should logically require admin privileges.
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#47

On 1/28/2013 6:46 AM PT, Steve W. Jackson typed:

>> When I try to pause, it asked me to enter an administrator account name
>> and its password. Why? I could cancel without any problems. It doesn't
>> make any sense.
>>
>> Thank you in advance. :)
>
> You should be able to delete documents in the queue if they belong to
> your non-admin account that printed them.  But pausing the queue is a
> system-wide thing and should logically require admin privileges.

Yes, deleting works but why not for pausing a print? It makes no sense?
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#48

In article <tOOdnTUihKTOOJrMnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 1/28/2013 6:46 AM PT, Steve W. Jackson typed:
> 
> >> When I try to pause, it asked me to enter an administrator account name
> >> and its password. Why? I could cancel without any problems. It doesn't
> >> make any sense.
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance. :)
> >
> > You should be able to delete documents in the queue if they belong to
> > your non-admin account that printed them.  But pausing the queue is a
> > system-wide thing and should logically require admin privileges.
> 
> Yes, deleting works but why not for pausing a print? It makes no sense?

You don't need admin privileges to cancel your own print requests. But 
pausing the printer affects other users, and only administrators are 
allowed to do that.

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#51

> > >> When I try to pause, it asked me to enter an administrator account name
> > >> and its password. Why? I could cancel without any problems. It doesn't
> > >> make any sense.
> > >
> > > You should be able to delete documents in the queue if they belong to
> > > your non-admin account that printed them.  But pausing the queue is a
> > > system-wide thing and should logically require admin privileges.
> > 
> > Yes, deleting works but why not for pausing a print? It makes no sense?

> You don't need admin privileges to cancel your own print requests. But 
> pausing the printer affects other users, and only administrators are 
> allowed to do that.

Wait, I only wanted to pause the printings I made for a single user 
printer.
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#54

Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:

> Wait, I only wanted to pause the printings I made for a single user 
> printer.

What is a single-user printer? You might know that the printer is just
for you, but that doesn't make it known to the system. There is probably
a way to specify that only certain users can use certain printers, but I
doubt you did such a thing. I suspect there isn't an easy to way to do
so from the OS-X gui, that being a moderately sophisticated kind of
configuration that you'd normaly find only in server environments. (I've
never looked at OS-X server, but I can imagine that it might have such a
thing).

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#56

On 13-01-29 14:26, Ant wrote:

> Wait, I only wanted to pause the printings I made for a single user 
> printer.

There is no such thing as a "single user" OS-X. There are a few dozen
users created bt default on any OS-X machine.

Also, consider that after creating a queue, you could decide to "share
it", at which point, the quaue is advertise to any other host on the LAN
via Bonjour multicasts, and other people can print to your printer. So
you need to have privileges to control something which can influence
other people's jobs.

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#49

In article <tOOdnTUihKTOOJrMnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 1/28/2013 6:46 AM PT, Steve W. Jackson typed:
> 
> >> When I try to pause, it asked me to enter an administrator account name
> >> and its password. Why? I could cancel without any problems. It doesn't
> >> make any sense.
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance. :)
> >
> > You should be able to delete documents in the queue if they belong to
> > your non-admin account that printed them.  But pausing the queue is a
> > system-wide thing and should logically require admin privileges.
> 
> Yes, deleting works but why not for pausing a print? It makes no sense?

If you think about the origins of computers and printers in a shared 
environment, it does make sense.  To allow anyone the ability to cancel 
someone else's print job, you'd have the executive secretary canceling a 
job on "her printer" that was outside her office that's shared by 
everyone else in the area.  Just because she's got a report to get out.  
I don't know how many of those kinds of phone calls I got from people 
who didn't want to wait their turn for someone else's print job to 
finish.

So the UNIX printing system requires root (or an administrator) to 
create/delete print queues and cancel/pause print jobs that aren't 
'yours' (e.g. submitted by another UID).  The MacOS printing system on 
OS 9 didn't because it came from the one-computer/one-user design.  
MacOS X came from UNIX, so it used their printing system.  Indeed, CUPS 
is part of MacOS.

Make sense now?

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#52

> > >> When I try to pause, it asked me to enter an administrator account name
> > >> and its password. Why? I could cancel without any problems. It doesn't
> > >> make any sense.
> > >
> > > You should be able to delete documents in the queue if they belong to
> > > your non-admin account that printed them.  But pausing the queue is a
> > > system-wide thing and should logically require admin privileges.
> > 
> > Yes, deleting works but why not for pausing a print? It makes no sense?

> If you think about the origins of computers and printers in a shared 
> environment, it does make sense.  To allow anyone the ability to cancel 
> someone else's print job, you'd have the executive secretary canceling a 
> job on "her printer" that was outside her office that's shared by 
> everyone else in the area.  Just because she's got a report to get out.  
> I don't know how many of those kinds of phone calls I got from people 
> who didn't want to wait their turn for someone else's print job to 
> finish.

> So the UNIX printing system requires root (or an administrator) to 
> create/delete print queues and cancel/pause print jobs that aren't 
> 'yours' (e.g. submitted by another UID).  The MacOS printing system on 
> OS 9 didn't because it came from the one-computer/one-user design.  
> MacOS X came from UNIX, so it used their printing system.  Indeed, CUPS 
> is part of MacOS.

> Make sense now?

Oh, even in single user environments? Interesting.
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#57

In article <-NadnW-XPZccv5XMnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:

> > > >> When I try to pause, it asked me to enter an administrator account name
> > > >> and its password. Why? I could cancel without any problems. It doesn't
> > > >> make any sense.
> > > >
> > > > You should be able to delete documents in the queue if they belong to
> > > > your non-admin account that printed them.  But pausing the queue is a
> > > > system-wide thing and should logically require admin privileges.
> > > 
> > > Yes, deleting works but why not for pausing a print? It makes no sense?
> 
> > If you think about the origins of computers and printers in a shared 
> > environment, it does make sense.  To allow anyone the ability to cancel 
> > someone else's print job, you'd have the executive secretary canceling a 
> > job on "her printer" that was outside her office that's shared by 
> > everyone else in the area.  Just because she's got a report to get out.  
> > I don't know how many of those kinds of phone calls I got from people 
> > who didn't want to wait their turn for someone else's print job to 
> > finish.
> 
> > So the UNIX printing system requires root (or an administrator) to 
> > create/delete print queues and cancel/pause print jobs that aren't 
> > 'yours' (e.g. submitted by another UID).  The MacOS printing system on 
> > OS 9 didn't because it came from the one-computer/one-user design.  
> > MacOS X came from UNIX, so it used their printing system.  Indeed, CUPS 
> > is part of MacOS.
> 
> > Make sense now?
> 
> Oh, even in single user environments? Interesting.

But unix is never a "single user environment" -- there are multiple
users (e.g. the admin account under which you aren't running if you
can't pause the queue).

One of the first things to realize is unix is ALWAYS multi-user unless
you boot in single-user mode, in which case, you're running at the
command line as root and none of the OS X UI is in play.

-- 
Spenser

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#61

In article <-NadnW-XPZccv5XMnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) wrote:

> > > >> When I try to pause, it asked me to enter an administrator account name
> > > >> and its password. Why? I could cancel without any problems. It doesn't
> > > >> make any sense.
> > > >
> > > > You should be able to delete documents in the queue if they belong to
> > > > your non-admin account that printed them.  But pausing the queue is a
> > > > system-wide thing and should logically require admin privileges.
> > > 
> > > Yes, deleting works but why not for pausing a print? It makes no sense?
> 
> > If you think about the origins of computers and printers in a shared 
> > environment, it does make sense.  To allow anyone the ability to cancel 
> > someone else's print job, you'd have the executive secretary canceling a 
> > job on "her printer" that was outside her office that's shared by 
> > everyone else in the area.  Just because she's got a report to get out.  
> > I don't know how many of those kinds of phone calls I got from people 
> > who didn't want to wait their turn for someone else's print job to 
> > finish.
> 
> > So the UNIX printing system requires root (or an administrator) to 
> > create/delete print queues and cancel/pause print jobs that aren't 
> > 'yours' (e.g. submitted by another UID).  The MacOS printing system on 
> > OS 9 didn't because it came from the one-computer/one-user design.  
> > MacOS X came from UNIX, so it used their printing system.  Indeed, CUPS 
> > is part of MacOS.
> 
> > Make sense now?
> 
> Oh, even in single user environments? Interesting.

You think Apple's going to remove all the security and multi-user 
features from their product just because you don't want or need them?

Must be a special place you live.  All by yourself.

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#60

In article <vilain-DC0D9E.09340729012013@news.individual.net>,
 Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:

> To allow anyone the ability to cancel 
> someone else's print job, you'd have the executive secretary canceling a 
> job on "her printer" that was outside her office that's shared by 
> everyone else in the area.  Just because she's got a report to get out.  
> I don't know how many of those kinds of phone calls I got from people 
> who didn't want to wait their turn for someone else's print job to 
> finish.

I had that just over a year ago. The secretary thought it was "her 
printer" and objected to me trying to print a 100 page manual.

Her manager gave me the cash to get it printed elsewhere :-)

-- 
Paul Sture

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#50

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 1/28/2013 6:46 AM PT, Steve W. Jackson typed:
> 
> >> When I try to pause, it asked me to enter an administrator account name
> >> and its password. Why? I could cancel without any problems. It doesn't
> >> make any sense.
> >>
> >> Thank you in advance. :)
> >
> > You should be able to delete documents in the queue if they belong to
> > your non-admin account that printed them.  But pausing the queue is a
> > system-wide thing and should logically require admin privileges.
> 
> Yes, deleting works but why not for pausing a print? It makes no sense?

Steve just explained the sense of it right there in what you quoted.
Deleting a job directly affects only that particular job, which
presumably is yours. Pausing the print queue is a system-wide thing,
which affects all print jobs, including those of other users. No other
user is going to get their printouts until the queue is resumed.

I'm guessing that you are not accustomed to multi-user systems. While
most Macs are single user, Unix is fundamentally multi-user.

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#53

> > >> When I try to pause, it asked me to enter an administrator account name
> > >> and its password. Why? I could cancel without any problems. It doesn't
> > >> make any sense.
> > >
> > > You should be able to delete documents in the queue if they belong to
> > > your non-admin account that printed them.  But pausing the queue is a
> > > system-wide thing and should logically require admin privileges.
> > 
> > Yes, deleting works but why not for pausing a print? It makes no sense?

> Steve just explained the sense of it right there in what you quoted.
> Deleting a job directly affects only that particular job, which
> presumably is yours. Pausing the print queue is a system-wide thing,
> which affects all print jobs, including those of other users. No other
> user is going to get their printouts until the queue is resumed.

> I'm guessing that you are not accustomed to multi-user systems. While
> most Macs are single user, Unix is fundamentally multi-user.

Ahhh, so it is by design even if it is single user setup. I thought this 
was related to the old HP LaserJet 6P printer and cable adapter, or 
drivers! Thanks all. :)
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#55

Ant wrote:
> Ahhh, so it is by design even if it is single user setup. I thought this 
> was related to the old HP LaserJet 6P printer and cable adapter, or 
> drivers! Thanks all. :)

If you are running CUPS you can manually edit the CUPS cupsd.conf 
(look up where it is, it may be moved from release to release) to
allow your user or all users to administer the printers and queues without
authentication.

Geoff.

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#59

In article <slrnkgg9ii.5jq.gsm@cable.mendelson.com>,
 "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:

> Ant wrote:
> > Ahhh, so it is by design even if it is single user setup. I thought this 
> > was related to the old HP LaserJet 6P printer and cable adapter, or 
> > drivers! Thanks all. :)
> 
> If you are running CUPS you can manually edit the CUPS cupsd.conf 
> (look up where it is, it may be moved from release to release) to
> allow your user or all users to administer the printers and queues without
> authentication.

There is also group _lpadmin (note the leading underscore) for printer 
administrators, which you can add to the desired account.  See this 
article:

<http://itsallmacademic.com/2012/08/18/add-a-user-to-the-print-operator-g
roup/>

In /etc/group I also see an entry for _lpoperator which might be more 
suitable than full admin rights.

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#62

In article <1kxgcze.4a3fkp1dzw6nuN%nospam@see.signature>,
 nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote:

> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> 
> > On 1/28/2013 6:46 AM PT, Steve W. Jackson typed:
> > 
> > >> When I try to pause, it asked me to enter an administrator account name
> > >> and its password. Why? I could cancel without any problems. It doesn't
> > >> make any sense.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you in advance. :)
> > >
> > > You should be able to delete documents in the queue if they belong to
> > > your non-admin account that printed them.  But pausing the queue is a
> > > system-wide thing and should logically require admin privileges.
> > 
> > Yes, deleting works but why not for pausing a print? It makes no sense?
> 
> Steve just explained the sense of it right there in what you quoted.

Please, people, consider the source of the question before going into 
great detail and wasting your breath.

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#58

In message <tOOdnTUihKTOOJrMnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d@earthlink.com> 
  Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> On 1/28/2013 6:46 AM PT, Steve W. Jackson typed:

>>> When I try to pause, it asked me to enter an administrator account name
>>> and its password. Why? I could cancel without any problems. It doesn't
>>> make any sense.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance. :)
>>
>> You should be able to delete documents in the queue if they belong to
>> your non-admin account that printed them.  But pausing the queue is a
>> system-wide thing and should logically require admin privileges.

> Yes, deleting works but why not for pausing a print? It makes no sense?

This was *just* explained to you.

When you delete a print job, it is *your* print job. When you pause the
print queue, it is *everyone's* print queue. *your* stuff doesn't
require admin access, *everyone's* stuff does.

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