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Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks?

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  Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2020-11-11 14:46 -0600
    Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-11 12:57 -0800
      Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2020-11-11 16:40 -0600
        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Tim <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2020-11-11 22:45 +0000
          Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2020-11-11 20:00 -0600
            Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-11 21:06 -0500
            Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-12 15:09 +1300
        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-11 17:46 -0500
        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-11 15:27 -0800
          Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-12 12:50 +1300
        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-11 20:07 -0500
          Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-11 20:15 -0500
            Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-12 13:34 -0500
              Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-12 14:20 -0500
              Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-13 10:15 +0000
              Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-13 11:43 -0500
                Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-13 12:47 -0500
                Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-13 13:22 -0500
                  Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-13 15:40 -0500
            Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-12 14:00 -0500
              Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-12 14:21 -0500
                Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-13 02:13 -0500
                  Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-13 06:30 -0500
                    Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-13 15:43 +0000
                      Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2020-11-13 16:42 +0000
                      Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-13 13:16 -0500
                        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2020-11-13 19:19 +0000
                        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-13 20:18 +0000
                          Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-13 16:58 -0500
                            Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 00:51 +0000
              Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-13 11:45 -0500
            Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-13 11:27 -0500
          Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-12 14:56 +0000
        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-12 14:54 +0000
    Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-11 22:22 +0000
      Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-11 14:39 -0800
        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-12 14:48 +0000
      Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2020-11-11 16:40 -0600
        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-11 17:46 -0500
        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Tim <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2020-11-11 22:46 +0000
        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-12 12:39 +1300
          Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2020-11-11 20:01 -0600
            Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-12 14:51 +0000
              Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-12 14:12 -0500
                Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-12 14:21 -0500
                  Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-13 11:56 -0500
                    Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-13 20:20 +0000
                      Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-13 15:47 -0500
                        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 00:54 +0000
                          Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-13 20:06 -0500
                            Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 09:47 +0000
                              Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-14 05:21 -0500
                                Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-14 08:29 -0500
                                  Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-14 12:21 -0500
                                    Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-14 13:04 -0500
                                      Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-14 13:40 -0500
                                  Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-14 12:40 -0500
                                    Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-14 13:04 -0500
                                    Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-14 13:26 -0500
                                      Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-14 14:48 -0500
                                        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-14 15:08 -0500
                                        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-14 15:50 -0500
                                          Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-14 22:46 -0500
                                            Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-15 11:56 -0500
                                              Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-16 09:47 -0500
                                                Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-16 10:43 -0500
                                                  Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-16 17:25 -0500
                                                Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-16 15:48 +0000
                                                Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-16 14:01 -0500
                                                  Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-16 18:53 -0500
                                                    Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-16 21:33 -0500
                                                    Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-17 20:04 -0500
                                        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 23:28 +0000
                                    Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 18:40 +0000
                                      Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-14 13:47 -0500
                                        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-14 14:52 -0500
                                          Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-14 15:08 -0500
                                          Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 23:26 +0000
                                            Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-14 22:52 -0500
                                              Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-15 10:15 +0000
                                                Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-16 09:05 +1300
                                              Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-15 08:09 -0500
                                              Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-17 14:42 -0500
                                Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 14:04 +0000
                                Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2020-11-14 15:41 +0000
                                  Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-14 12:46 -0500
                                    Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2020-11-14 18:00 +0000
                          Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-14 09:30 -0500
                            Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 16:51 +0000
                              Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-14 12:12 -0500
                                Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 18:34 +0000
                                  Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-14 14:20 -0500
                                    Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 23:20 +0000
                                      Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-14 19:39 -0500
                Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-13 10:12 +0000
        Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-12 14:50 +0000

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#1365

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2020-11-12 14:21 -0500
Message-ID<121120201421014910%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#1362
In article <kDfrH.133972$tL.51291@fx15.iad>, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Another aspect: that 8 or 16GB on a M1 based MAC is used for both the
> CPU and the GPUs.  So less of the RAM is actually available to the OS
> because the GPUs use the same RAM. 

nope. 

one major advantage is both the cpu and gpu can access the same data,
eliminating the need to copy it. another advantage is that the memory
itself is much faster.

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#1367

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2020-11-13 02:13 -0500
Message-ID<ImqrH.448051$I15.366080@fx36.iad>
In reply to#1365
On 2020-11-12 14:21, nospam wrote:

> one major advantage is both the cpu and gpu can access the same data,
> eliminating the need to copy it. another advantage is that the memory
> itself is much faster.


Yes, you save when the app transfers to the GPU the scene description.
scene. But the GPU also uses a lot of memory to render the scene for
each frame. And that is a lot of memory used by the GPU which now draws
from RAM available to the CPU.


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#1370

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2020-11-13 06:30 -0500
Message-ID<131120200630461436%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#1367
In article <ImqrH.448051$I15.366080@fx36.iad>, JF Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> 
> > one major advantage is both the cpu and gpu can access the same data,
> > eliminating the need to copy it. another advantage is that the memory
> > itself is much faster.
> 
> 
> Yes, you save when the app transfers to the GPU the scene description.
> scene. But the GPU also uses a lot of memory to render the scene for
> each frame. And that is a lot of memory used by the GPU which now draws
> from RAM available to the CPU.

you don't understand how things work, do you?

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#1371

FromLewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me>
Date2020-11-13 15:43 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrqtadc.1lo.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>
In reply to#1370
In message <131120200630461436%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <ImqrH.448051$I15.366080@fx36.iad>, JF Mezei
> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

>> 
>> > one major advantage is both the cpu and gpu can access the same data,
>> > eliminating the need to copy it. another advantage is that the memory
>> > itself is much faster.
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, you save when the app transfers to the GPU the scene description.
>> scene. But the GPU also uses a lot of memory to render the scene for
>> each frame. And that is a lot of memory used by the GPU which now draws
>> from RAM available to the CPU.

> you don't understand how things work, do you?

He really doesn't. At all.

-- 
He wasn't good or evil or cruel or extreme in any way but one, which
	was that he had elevated greyness to the status of a fine art and
	cultivated a mind that was as bleak and pitiless and logical as
	the slopes of Hell.

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#1373

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2020-11-13 16:42 +0000
Message-ID<i17rcgF4vbhU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1371
On 2020-11-13, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <131120200630461436%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <ImqrH.448051$I15.366080@fx36.iad>, JF Mezei
>> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>>>> one major advantage is both the cpu and gpu can access the same
>>>> data, eliminating the need to copy it. another advantage is that
>>>> the memory itself is much faster.
>>> 
>>> Yes, you save when the app transfers to the GPU the scene
>>> description.  scene. But the GPU also uses a lot of memory to render
>>> the scene for each frame. And that is a lot of memory used by the
>>> GPU which now draws from RAM available to the CPU.
>
>> you don't understand how things work, do you?
>
> He really doesn't. At all.

And this isn't news. He's been ignorant all of his time here, and shows
a distinct inability to properly comprehend what he reads. He also has
atrocious spelling and grammar. JF Mezei is essentially a big box of
ignorant FUD with a shitty-ass bow on top.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#1378

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2020-11-13 13:16 -0500
Message-ID<64ArH.522535$RY8.435107@fx48.iad>
In reply to#1371
On 2020-11-13 10:43, Lewis wrote:

>> you don't understand how things work, do you?
> 
> He really doesn't. At all.


Perhaps you could do the community a favour and explain how PCI-E GPUs
work and how the Apple ones which share RAM will work.

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#1380

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2020-11-13 19:19 +0000
Message-ID<i184hiF6nt1U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1378
On 2020-11-13, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2020-11-13 10:43, Lewis wrote:
>
>>> you don't understand how things work, do you?
>> 
>> He really doesn't. At all.
>
> Perhaps you could do the community a favour and explain how PCI-E GPUs
> work and how the Apple ones which share RAM will work.

That'd be a waste of time. Your track record here shows you wouldn't
comprehend it even if someone did explain it. 

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#1381

FromLewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me>
Date2020-11-13 20:18 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrqtqh4.12cb.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>
In reply to#1378
In message <64ArH.522535$RY8.435107@fx48.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2020-11-13 10:43, Lewis wrote:

>>> you don't understand how things work, do you?
>> 
>> He really doesn't. At all.

> Perhaps you could do the community a favour and explain how PCI-E GPUs
> work and how the Apple ones which share RAM will work.

Perhaps you should do your own research as you have proved countless
times that you are incapable of learning from anything posted here.

-- 
You know a thorn can main / But a lover does the same / A gem will
	reflect light / And a Fool will marvel at the sight / A fool such
	as me, /Who sees not the gold, but the beauty of the shine

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#1385

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2020-11-13 16:58 -0500
Message-ID<RjDrH.209288$5l1.156945@fx10.iad>
In reply to#1381
On 2020-11-13 15:18, Lewis wrote:

> Perhaps you should do your own research as you have proved countless
> times that you are incapable of learning from anything posted here.


So you insult what I say but are unable to provide any real information
to show I was wrong.


hint: look at RAM config for the M1 vs Intel version of MacBook pro.


Both have the in-CPU GPU.


BTW, someone mentione the M1 macs have 3733MHz LPDDR4X RAM. This RAM
spec is for the Intel version of the MacBook Pro 13". All Apple says for
the M1 is "unified memory".

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#1386

FromLewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me>
Date2020-11-14 00:51 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrquag1.1fdt.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>
In reply to#1385
In message <RjDrH.209288$5l1.156945@fx10.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2020-11-13 15:18, Lewis wrote:

>> Perhaps you should do your own research as you have proved countless
>> times that you are incapable of learning from anything posted here.

> So you insult 

Stating you are ignorant and spew irrelevant VAX shit constantly is not
an insult, it is a fact.

-- 
"I have no choice but to believe in free will." - Randy Wayne White

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#1375

FromAlan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
Date2020-11-13 11:45 -0500
Message-ID<6LyrH.362519$5_4.267870@fx40.iad>
In reply to#1362
On 2020-11-12 14:00, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2020-11-11 20:15, nospam wrote:
>> In article <VU%qH.433945$r25.305379@fx08.iad>, JF Mezei
>> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> The 16GB config max for the Air is laughable.
>>
>> it's a completely different architecture, therefore direct comparisons
>> are bogus.
>>
>> ipads and iphones do exceptionally well with 4 gig.
> 
> Another aspect: that 8 or 16GB on a M1 based MAC is used for both the
> CPU and the GPUs.  

As it is on many Macs that have shared GPU memory with the intel chip as 
they use intel graphics.  See this a lot in various MBA's and some Mac 
Minis.  Possibly lower spec 21" iMacs too (I haven't looked).

-- 
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
  man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
                                             -Samuel Clemens

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#1372

FromAlan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
Date2020-11-13 11:27 -0500
Message-ID<ItyrH.110140$4d1.24192@fx09.iad>
In reply to#1350
On 2020-11-11 20:15, nospam wrote:
> In article <VU%qH.433945$r25.305379@fx08.iad>, JF Mezei
> <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> 
>> The 16GB config max for the Air is laughable.
> 
> it's a completely different architecture, therefore direct comparisons
> are bogus.
> 
> ipads and iphones do exceptionally well with 4 gig.

This is neither.  In any case, it depends on the use case.  For many 
people 8 GB is oodles (browsing, some office apps, e-mail and the like).

16 GB would be a bare minimum for my home computer but 8 GB is more than 
enough at work even with a VM.

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#1359

FromLewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me>
Date2020-11-12 14:56 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrqqj8l.oiv.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>
In reply to#1349
In message <VU%qH.433945$r25.305379@fx08.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> The 16GB config max for the Air is laughable.  Consider how much focus
> on graphic designers/video editors there was in the keynote.

You have no idea what you are talking abut, as usual.

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#1358

FromLewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me>
Date2020-11-12 14:54 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrqqj5p.oiv.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>
In reply to#1340
In message <XP2dnVNnM_jU9THCnZ2dnUU7-f-dnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> It looks like Apple doesn't even sell its old Intel Macs from its web site? :(

That is entirely incorrect.

You can buy a 13" MBP with Intel, a 16" MBP with Intel, an iMac with
Intel, an iMac Pro with Inter, a Mac Pro with Intel, and a Mac mini i5.


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#1338

FromLewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me>
Date2020-11-11 22:22 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrqop1q.1p5c.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>
In reply to#1336
In message <B5ednfUswZo00DHCnZ2dnUU7-LudnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> So, who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? ;)

I am ordering a MBA as soon as I decide if I should increase the RAM or
not. It will be mostly for my wife who almost certainly doesn't need
16GB, but I am torn.


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#1339

FromAlan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
Date2020-11-11 14:39 -0800
Message-ID<rohp6m$181$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1338
On 2020-11-11 2:22 p.m., Lewis wrote:
> In message <B5ednfUswZo00DHCnZ2dnUU7-LudnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>> So, who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? ;)
> 
> I am ordering a MBA as soon as I decide if I should increase the RAM or
> not. It will be mostly for my wife who almost certainly doesn't need
> 16GB, but I am torn.
> 
> 

Spend the money and get the 16GB.

You're buying a machine to last the next 5 years or more. The extra RAM 
will cost you (I'm in Canada) about $250CAD, so that's $50 per year to 
ensure the machine has what it will need for the latter part of its life.

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#1355

FromLewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me>
Date2020-11-12 14:48 +0000
Message-ID<slrnrqqip1.oiv.g.kreme@ProMini.lan>
In reply to#1339
In message <rohp6m$181$1@dont-email.me> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> On 2020-11-11 2:22 p.m., Lewis wrote:
>> In message <B5ednfUswZo00DHCnZ2dnUU7-LudnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>> So, who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? ;)
>> 
>> I am ordering a MBA as soon as I decide if I should increase the RAM or
>> not. It will be mostly for my wife who almost certainly doesn't need
>> 16GB, but I am torn.
>> 
>> 

> Spend the money and get the 16GB.

> You're buying a machine to last the next 5 years or more. The extra RAM 
> will cost you (I'm in Canada) about $250CAD, so that's $50 per year to 
> ensure the machine has what it will need for the latter part of its life.

That is what I ended up doing. With the EDU discount it's $1100.


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#1341

Fromant@zimage.comANT (Ant)
Date2020-11-11 16:40 -0600
Message-ID<XP2dnVJnM_js9THCnZ2dnUU7-f-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>
In reply to#1338
In comp.sys.mac.system Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <B5ednfUswZo00DHCnZ2dnUU7-LudnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> > So, who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? ;)

> I am ordering a MBA as soon as I decide if I should increase the RAM or
> not. It will be mostly for my wife who almost certainly doesn't need
> 16GB, but I am torn.

Aren't the RAMs still soldered in? If so, then you might as well go as big as 
you can afford. Same for storage. :(
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#1344

Fromnospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date2020-11-11 17:46 -0500
Message-ID<111120201746207098%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to#1341
In article <XP2dnVJnM_js9THCnZ2dnUU7-f-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> 
> Aren't the RAMs still soldered in? If so, then you might as well go as big as 
> you can afford. Same for storage. :(

no.  the ram is in the m1 itself.

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#1345

FromTim <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2020-11-11 22:46 +0000
Message-ID<i137u9FbocrU50@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1341
On 11 Nov 2020 at 22:40:49 GMT, Ant <Ant> wrote:

> In comp.sys.mac.system Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>>  In message <B5ednfUswZo00DHCnZ2dnUU7-LudnZ2d@earthlink.com> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>  > So, who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks? ;)
> 
>>  I am ordering a MBA as soon as I decide if I should increase the RAM or
>>  not. It will be mostly for my wife who almost certainly doesn't need
>>  16GB, but I am torn.
> 
> Aren't the RAMs still soldered in? If so, then you might as well go as big as 
> you can afford. Same for storage. :(

Seems the RAM is inside the M1 chip.

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Tim

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