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  Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-01-05 08:52 -0800
    Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-05 11:55 -0500
      Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-05 19:35 -0500
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-01-05 19:55 -0500
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 16:06 +1300
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-10 17:42 -0500
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-01-05 22:56 -0800
      Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 03:34 +0000
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-01-05 22:58 -0800
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 12:04 +0000
    Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-01-05 12:06 -0500
    Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-05 13:00 -0500
      Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-01-05 10:11 -0800
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-05 13:42 -0500
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-01-05 13:53 -0500
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2014-01-05 12:13 -0800
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 09:24 +1300
            Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-05 15:31 -0500
            Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-01-05 22:08 -0500
              Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-06 16:26 +1300
            Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 03:36 +0000
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com> - 2014-01-05 14:20 -0600
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2014-01-05 16:20 -0800
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-01-06 03:37 +0000
    Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2014-01-05 22:43 -0800
      Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2014-01-06 21:32 -0700
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-01-10 13:38 -0800
      Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 08:38 -0500
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-07 13:41 -0500
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 15:18 -0500
          Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-08 03:09 +0000
            Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-07 22:56 -0500
            Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2014-01-08 01:44 -0500
              Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-08 18:30 +0000
              Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2014-01-09 09:03 +1300
                Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2014-01-10 13:47 -0800
                  Re: Is it OK/safe to put a MacBook Pro to a long sleep/hibernation (close its lid) and moving it for a long time (e.g., over a day) instead of powering off? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-01-10 19:51 -0500
    Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... billy@MIX.COM - 2014-01-07 03:02 +0000
      Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-01-07 06:18 -0800
        Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject... Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-01-09 19:14 +0000

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#448

In message <060120140924278909%YourName@YourISP.com> 
  Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> In article <laced8$oho$1@dont-email.me>, Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net>
> wrote:
>> In article <6fqdnaa-I8fePVTPnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>  Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>> > On 1/5/2014 10:00 AM PT, nospam typed:
>> > >
>> > >  it's designed to sleep rather than shut down.
>> > >
>> > > if you are going to have it off for a few weeks, then shut it down,
>> > > since there is a very small amount of battery drain in sleep (a little
>> > > more than the self-discharge rate) and it will eventually shut itself
>> > > off anyway. if you shut it down first, then you control when it shuts
>> > > down.
>> > 
>> > So even when transporting like (commut/travell)ing, it will be OK and 
>> > safe? Interesting.
>> 
>> Why wouldn't it be???? Except for the technicality that it's keeping the 
>> RAM refreshed and watching for a "time to wake up" signal, there's very 
>> nearly no difference between "asleep" and "powered off".

> Then there's also no reason not to simply power it off instead.  :-)

Yes there is, it takes much less time to wake from sleep than to boot
up.

> Realistically the only reason not to switch a computer off when it
> won't be used for a while is because impatient fools can't wait the
> extra few seconds for the computer to shutdown or reboot.  :-\

Yes, extra "few seconds". My MBP, with an SSD, takes more than 2 minutes
to boot. It takes about 2 seconds to wake from sleep.


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#438

On 2014-01-05, 12:11 PM Ant wrote:
> So even when transporting like (commut/travell)ing, it will be OK and safe? Interesting. 

Of course it is. Why would you think it wouldn't be?

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#441

In article <6fqdnaa-I8fePVTPnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> On 1/5/2014 10:00 AM PT, nospam typed:
> 
> >  it's designed to sleep rather than shut down.
> >
> > if you are going to have it off for a few weeks, then shut it down,
> > since there is a very small amount of battery drain in sleep (a little
> > more than the self-discharge rate) and it will eventually shut itself
> > off anyway. if you shut it down first, then you control when it shuts
> > down.
> 
> So even when transporting like (commut/travell)ing, it will be OK and 
> safe? Interesting.

Well, for varying values of safe.

Boreder patrol may confiscate your machine if they don't have the tools 
on-site to image the drives. Just to be sure, install TrueCrypt on your 
system and use a 4096bit key.

And carry it on. Be sure to wear high-top boots that lace up to mid-calf.

Being behind you in the security line will lots of fun.

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#449

In message <vilain-39F5A6.16203505012014@news.individual.net> 
  Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <6fqdnaa-I8fePVTPnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>  Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

>> On 1/5/2014 10:00 AM PT, nospam typed:
>> 
>> >  it's designed to sleep rather than shut down.
>> >
>> > if you are going to have it off for a few weeks, then shut it down,
>> > since there is a very small amount of battery drain in sleep (a little
>> > more than the self-discharge rate) and it will eventually shut itself
>> > off anyway. if you shut it down first, then you control when it shuts
>> > down.
>> 
>> So even when transporting like (commut/travell)ing, it will be OK and 
>> safe? Interesting.

> Well, for varying values of safe.

> Boreder patrol may confiscate your machine if they don't have the tools 
> on-site to image the drives. Just to be sure, install TrueCrypt on your 
> system and use a 4096bit key.

TrueCrypt on a Mac is silly.

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#450

In article <1oqdnf9Iu-cmEFTPnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> I noticed my client did not shut down his MacBook Pro today since 
> opening its lid up resulted the login screen instead of the usual boot 
> up from powering on. Its battery life was still high (91%) so that 
> wasn't bad, but is it really a good idea to put it to sleep/hibernation 
> for that long though especially when transporting it around like in 
> luggages? I can understand if it is a few minutes and hours for short 
> moves or idling, but days and moving around?
> 
> Thank you in advance. :)

Sleeping is fine for normal travel.  If you think it's going to get hit 
hard during transport (bouncing around in a off-road vehicle) and you 
have a spinning hard drive, shutting down is better.  If you check the 
systems logs, you'll find that the computer does momentarily wake from 
sleep sometimes.

Shut it down before sending it through package X-ray machines because 
some of them are very powerful.   A system panic while wrapped up in a 
suitcase or a box could cause overheating.  That includes checked-in 
airline luggage, USPS, UPS, and FedEx shipping. 

Carry-on airline scanners are low power and I haven't seen them harm 
anything that was powered on.  Even if it did crash it would be fine in 
a cary-on bag.

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#455

On 2014-01-06 06:43:19 +0000, Kevin McMurtrie said:

> In article <1oqdnf9Iu-cmEFTPnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>  Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> I noticed my client did not shut down his MacBook Pro today since
>> opening its lid up resulted the login screen instead of the usual boot
>> up from powering on. Its battery life was still high (91%) so that
>> wasn't bad, but is it really a good idea to put it to sleep/hibernation
>> for that long though especially when transporting it around like in
>> luggages? I can understand if it is a few minutes and hours for short
>> moves or idling, but days and moving around?
>> 
>> Thank you in advance. :)
> 
> Sleeping is fine for normal travel.  If you think it's going to get hit
> hard during transport (bouncing around in a off-road vehicle) and you
> have a spinning hard drive, shutting down is better.  If you check the
> systems logs, you'll find that the computer does momentarily wake from
> sleep sometimes.

Hard drives aren't spinning when the machine is sleeping.

> 
> Shut it down before sending it through package X-ray machines because
> some of them are very powerful.   A system panic while wrapped up in a
> suitcase or a box could cause overheating.  That includes checked-in
> airline luggage, USPS, UPS, and FedEx shipping.

Can you produce a single verifiable case of that ever happening?

> 
> Carry-on airline scanners are low power and I haven't seen them harm
> anything that was powered on.  Even if it did crash it would be fine in
> a cary-on bag.

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#468

On 2014-01-07 04:32:19 +0000, Alan Baker said:

> On 2014-01-06 06:43:19 +0000, Kevin McMurtrie said:
> 
>> 
>> Shut it down before sending it through package X-ray machines because
>> some of them are very powerful.   A system panic while wrapped up in a
>> suitcase or a box could cause overheating.  That includes checked-in
>> airline luggage, USPS, UPS, and FedEx shipping.
> 
> Can you produce a single verifiable case of that ever happening?

I've found my mid-07 MBP, having been put to sleep, wake up while 
packed in my backpack.

It was a few times, and it seems very much like an anomaly.  It hasn't 
happened in a couple of years.  And I just retired that machine 
permanently the other day (it's failing much more seriously now).

But it has certainly happened to me.  And no, I really never figured 
out why it happened, nor why it hasn't since then.

I never shut down my laptop in general every day usage, to and from the 
office, or traveling by plane (since it's certainly going to be in my 
carry-on, not in checked luggage).

But if I were packing and shipping it out of my hands, I'd shut it down.

Otherwise, no, I never shut it down (periodic reboots don't count) 
unless I'm doing some kind of surgery on my MBP.

FWIW.

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#456

In article
<mcmurtrie-B9E3A6.22431905012014@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> wrote:

> Sleeping is fine for normal travel.  If you think it's going to get hit 
> hard during transport (bouncing around in a off-road vehicle) and you 
> have a spinning hard drive, shutting down is better. 

if you think it's going to get hit during travel, get a good carrying
case to cushion it.

how often does this actually happen anyway? 

> If you check the 
> systems logs, you'll find that the computer does momentarily wake from 
> sleep sometimes.

very rarely does it do that and the timing would have to be *exactly*
at the same time as it being hit (which is rare to start with) to even
matter.

> Shut it down before sending it through package X-ray machines because 
> some of them are very powerful.   A system panic while wrapped up in a 
> suitcase or a box could cause overheating.  That includes checked-in 
> airline luggage, USPS, UPS, and FedEx shipping. 

that makes *no* difference whatsoever. the drive is completely off and
parked when the laptop is sleeping.

however, shipping a computer that's sleeping is not a good idea, but
not for the reason you give. it could be in transit for a while, maybe
a week if you choose ground, possibly even longer, and the battery is
slowly draining during that time. there's no advantage to sleeping it
for shipment or for extended periods of not being used. 

there *is* a huge advantage for sleeping it in normal everyday use.

> Carry-on airline scanners are low power and I haven't seen them harm 
> anything that was powered on.  Even if it did crash it would be fine in 
> a cary-on bag.

as it would anywhere.

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#458

>> Carry-on airline scanners are low power and I haven't seen them harm 
>> anything that was powered on.  Even if it did crash it would be fine in 
>> a cary-on bag.

I have seen my MacPro gain a significant static charge going through the
scanner (you get big electric shock as you touch it afterwards). Whether
it is from the X-ray or from the plastic tray rolling along on those
plastic rollers, I don't know.

Did not seem to hurt it, but static discharge is never good on a
computer. Perhaps the aluminium shell is well insulated from the
insides. However, never touch the keyboard first. The plastic does
penetrate and can damage electronics below.

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#459

In article <52cc4a74$0$10667$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> >> Carry-on airline scanners are low power and I haven't seen them harm 
> >> anything that was powered on.  Even if it did crash it would be fine in 
> >> a cary-on bag.
> 
> I have seen my MacPro gain a significant static charge going through the
> scanner (you get big electric shock as you touch it afterwards). Whether
> it is from the X-ray or from the plastic tray rolling along on those
> plastic rollers, I don't know.

it's not the mac pro that's doing it. 

send through a bag of clothes and you can still get a shock from a
metal part of your luggage or the rails of the scanner.

always touch the rails before touching anything else.

> Did not seem to hurt it, but static discharge is never good on a
> computer. Perhaps the aluminium shell is well insulated from the
> insides. However, never touch the keyboard first. The plastic does
> penetrate and can damage electronics below.

i've had that happen a number of times in the winter months, when the
dryer air increases the chances of a spark. what generally happens is
the trackpad will cease to function until the laptop is slept/woken.

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#460

On 2014-01-07, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>>> Carry-on airline scanners are low power and I haven't seen them harm 
>>> anything that was powered on.  Even if it did crash it would be fine in 
>>> a cary-on bag.
>
> I have seen my MacPro gain a significant static charge going through the
> scanner (you get big electric shock as you touch it afterwards). Whether
> it is from the X-ray or from the plastic tray rolling along on those
> plastic rollers, I don't know.

You lugged a Mac Pro on a flight as a carry-on?

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#461

In article <bj3tqkF2a1sU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > I have seen my MacPro gain a significant static charge going through the
> > scanner (you get big electric shock as you touch it afterwards). Whether
> > it is from the X-ray or from the plastic tray rolling along on those
> > plastic rollers, I don't know.
> 
> You lugged a Mac Pro on a flight as a carry-on?

you would trust it in checked baggage?

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#462

On 14-01-07 22:09, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You lugged a Mac Pro on a flight as a carry-on?


Sorry, MacBookPro :-)

I don't think a MacPro (2009) would fit size and weight limits for hand
luggage.

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#463

On 2014-01-08, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-01-07 22:09, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> You lugged a Mac Pro on a flight as a carry-on?
>
> Sorry, MacBookPro :-)
>
> I don't think a MacPro (2009) would fit size and weight limits for hand
> luggage.

I figured that' what you meant, but asked just in case as I think that
would be a rather interesting story. : )

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#464

In article <52ccf3c3$0$47871$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 14-01-07 22:09, Jolly Roger wrote:
> >
> > You lugged a Mac Pro on a flight as a carry-on?
> 
> Sorry, MacBookPro :-)
> 
> I don't think a MacPro (2009) would fit size and weight limits for hand
> luggage.

Probably not "hand luggage", but there was at least one company which
used to make carrybags for Mac Pros. They also made them for Apple
Displays.  :-)

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#469

On 2014-01-08 20:03:43 +0000, Your Name said:

> In article <52ccf3c3$0$47871$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>> On 14-01-07 22:09, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> 
>>> You lugged a Mac Pro on a flight as a carry-on?
>> 
>> Sorry, MacBookPro :-)
>> 
>> I don't think a MacPro (2009) would fit size and weight limits for hand
>> luggage.
> 
> Probably not "hand luggage", but there was at least one company which
> used to make carrybags for Mac Pros. They also made them for Apple
> Displays.  :-)

Then, there was this:

http://www.macmothership.com/gallery/Newsweek/p019.jpg

I was working in a retail computer store at the time and we sent 
several folks home with Macs in those carry bags as part of the Test 
Drive A Mac campaign.

I imagine that some folks used those same bags to carry some of those 
Macs on planes.  (Never me, though.)

(And the new Mac Pro would certainly be potential carry-on.  It's a 
little heavy, but quite small enough!)

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#471

On 2014.01.10, 16:47 , Bread wrote:
> On 2014-01-08 20:03:43 +0000, Your Name said:
>
>> In article <52ccf3c3$0$47871$c3e8da3$5d8fb80f@news.astraweb.com>, JF
>> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>>> On 14-01-07 22:09, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You lugged a Mac Pro on a flight as a carry-on?
>>>
>>> Sorry, MacBookPro :-)
>>>
>>> I don't think a MacPro (2009) would fit size and weight limits for hand
>>> luggage.
>>
>> Probably not "hand luggage", but there was at least one company which
>> used to make carrybags for Mac Pros. They also made them for Apple
>> Displays.  :-)
>
> Then, there was this:
>
> http://www.macmothership.com/gallery/Newsweek/p019.jpg
>
> I was working in a retail computer store at the time and we sent several
> folks home with Macs in those carry bags as part of the Test Drive A Mac
> campaign.
>
> I imagine that some folks used those same bags to carry some of those
> Macs on planes.  (Never me, though.)
>
> (And the new Mac Pro would certainly be potential carry-on.  It's a
> little heavy, but quite small enough!)

The Mac Pro doesn't have a battery to hold up the memory, however, so 
you'd have to suffer through 30 - 60 seconds of boot time... (Would be 
nice if that could be hacked to add battery holdup for the RAM...)

It with monitor(s), keyboard/mouse/trackpad/graphics-table would fit 
into a checkable Pelican case.  It would be a challenge, but possible, 
to find a small monitor, storage and other kit that would fit well into 
a carry-on.

OTOH, you could always find a monitor to use on site when you got there 
and possibly the memory in the MP would suffice for many jobs.

-- 
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                                                   - Mike Tyson

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#454 — Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject...

...and post it to non-relevant groups?

In comp.sys.mac.system Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:

> Hello.

No.

> I noticed my client [...]

Particularly not if you're in the consulting business.

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> Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer.

And, by the way, it's polite to confine one's sigs to four lines, or less.

Billy Y..
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#457 — Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject...

On 1/6/2014 7:02 PM PT, billy@MIX.COM typed:

> ...and post it to non-relevant groups?
>
> In comp.sys.mac.system Ant <ant@zimage.comant> wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>
> No.

Why not?


>> I noticed my client [...]
>
> Particularly not if you're in the consulting business.

It's more of a volunteer work, not paid job related.
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#467 — Re: Is it OK/safe to put an entire news article in the subject...

I've noticed you seem to make a habit of filling every possible
character available in subject lines. Perhaps you are unaware that using
such long subjects makes reading your messages more difficult for
others, because a lot of news / email clients truncate long subjects for
display, forcing readers to scroll or widen windows to read the entire
thing. Note that this typically happens *before* they have had a chance
to decide whether they actually *want* to read your message.  

The subject field is meant to be a short synopsis of the message
contents - the purpose of which is to give the reader a good idea of
what the message is about, so that they can more accurately decide
whether further reading is desireable for them. It's best to use just a
handful of words, typed properly, that accurately indicate the message
content – and nothing more.

Supplying concise, accurate subjects is simply good etiquette. You
should reconsider your position on this, IMO.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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