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  Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-04-02 13:05 -0500
    Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-04-02 11:12 -0700
      Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-04-02 13:23 -0500
        Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2019-04-02 19:29 -0400
          Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-04-02 16:31 -0700
        Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2019-04-04 21:10 +0200
          Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-04-04 18:22 -0400
            Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-04-04 18:36 -0400
              Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-04-08 09:57 -0400
            Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-04-05 04:04 +0000
              Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2019-04-08 10:10 -0400
            Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> - 2019-04-07 14:47 +0200
          Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-04-04 22:32 -0500
            Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-05 08:29 -0400
              Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-04-05 15:52 +0000
                Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-05 12:40 -0400
                  Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 17:49 +0100
                    Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-05 12:54 -0400
                      Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 17:59 +0100
                        Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-05 13:10 -0400
              Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-04-05 15:08 -0400
                Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 20:29 +0100
                  Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-05 15:35 -0400
                    Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 21:59 +0100
                      Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-05 17:04 -0400
                        Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 22:31 +0100
                          Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-04-05 14:33 -0700
                            Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 22:36 +0100
                              Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-04-05 14:55 -0700
                          Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-05 17:37 -0400
                            Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-04-05 14:56 -0700
                              Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-05 18:01 -0400
                              Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Panthera Tigris Altaica <northentiger@outlook.com> - 2019-04-05 18:07 -0400
                                Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-04-05 15:15 -0700
                      Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2019-04-05 14:08 -0700
                        Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 22:32 +0100
                          Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-05 17:37 -0400
                      Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Panthera Tigris Altaica <northentiger@outlook.com> - 2019-04-05 17:35 -0400
                  Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2019-04-05 20:04 +0000
                    Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-05 16:26 -0400
                    Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 22:50 +0100
                      Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-05 18:01 -0400
                Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-05 15:35 -0400
                  Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 20:40 +0100
                    Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2019-04-05 20:05 +0000
                      Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-04-05 20:06 +0000
                      Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Panthera Tigris Altaica <northentiger@outlook.com> - 2019-04-05 16:17 -0400
                    Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Panthera Tigris Altaica <northentiger@outlook.com> - 2019-04-05 16:14 -0400
                      Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 22:19 +0100
                        Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-05 17:37 -0400
                          Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-05 22:44 +0100
                            Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-05 17:50 -0400
                              Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-08 16:55 +0100
                  Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-04-06 10:40 -0400
                    Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-06 11:29 -0400
                      Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-04-06 15:13 -0400
                        Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2019-04-06 19:57 +0000
                          Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-04-06 17:08 -0400
                            Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-07 21:05 -0400
                        Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-06 15:58 -0400
                          Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2019-04-06 20:04 +0000
                            Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-04-06 17:10 -0400
                          Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-04-06 17:13 -0400
                            Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-07 21:05 -0400
                              Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-08 11:58 +0100
                                Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-08 10:07 -0400
                                  Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-08 16:11 +0100
                                    Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-08 11:19 -0400
                                      Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-08 20:23 +0100
                          Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2019-04-06 17:29 -0400
                            Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-07 21:05 -0400
                Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2019-04-05 21:55 -0500
                  Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. David in Devon <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> - 2019-04-06 09:52 +0100
                    Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-06 08:00 -0400
                  Re: Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro. nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2019-04-06 08:00 -0400

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#1238 — Unable to boot up a 15" 2008 MacBook Pro.

Hello.

Over 30 minutes ago, my client and I were unable to boot up a 15" 2008 
MacBook Pro, with Mac OS X El Capitan v10.11.6, after it was accidently 
powered off from its physical move between tables with its power cable 
connected (still have its original battery inside). We tried unplugging 
everything (USB mouse and printer) and letting it cool down (was pretty 
warm in high 60F degrees kitchen). The only thing that still works is 
its MagSafe's light (green). I didn't smell anything burning either.

Is this over decade old machine finally dead? :(
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#1239

On 2019-04-02 11:05 a.m., Ant wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> Over 30 minutes ago, my client and I were unable to boot up a 15" 2008
> MacBook Pro, with Mac OS X El Capitan v10.11.6, after it was accidently
> powered off from its physical move between tables with its power cable
> connected (still have its original battery inside). We tried unplugging
> everything (USB mouse and printer) and letting it cool down (was pretty
> warm in high 60F degrees kitchen). The only thing that still works is
> its MagSafe's light (green). I didn't smell anything burning either.
> 
> Is this over decade old machine finally dead? :(
> 

So I'm assuming you get no startup chime, no indication at all that the 
machine is trying to start?

<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201295>

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#1240

In comp.sys.mac.portables Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
> On 2019-04-02 11:05 a.m., Ant wrote:
> > Hello.
> > 
> > Over 30 minutes ago, my client and I were unable to boot up a 15" 2008
> > MacBook Pro, with Mac OS X El Capitan v10.11.6, after it was accidently
> > powered off from its physical move between tables with its power cable
> > connected (still have its original battery inside). We tried unplugging
> > everything (USB mouse and printer) and letting it cool down (was pretty
> > warm in high 60F degrees kitchen). The only thing that still works is
> > its MagSafe's light (green). I didn't smell anything burning either.
> > 
> > Is this over decade old machine finally dead? :(
> > 

> So I'm assuming you get no startup chime, no indication at all that the 
> machine is trying to start?

Woah. Quick answer already. Thanks. "Yes, you are correct sir." --Ed 
McMann. NOTHING. I don't even hear its HDD.


> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201295>

It mentioned to remove its battery. I decided to try powering it on 
without it. It worked! Hmm, I guess I can get recycle this battery 
finally since this very old and slow machine is rarely used. I wonder if 
it new battery replacements are very cheap and even worth it even if it 
is rarely used (always connected to power AC on a desk).

-- 
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the top of a cup of pudding, you probably have no idea that the only 
thing between you and disaster is the strength of that pudding skin." 
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#1241

On 4/2/19 2:23 PM, Ant wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.portables Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
>> On 2019-04-02 11:05 a.m., Ant wrote:
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> Over 30 minutes ago, my client and I were unable to boot up a 15" 2008
>>> MacBook Pro, with Mac OS X El Capitan v10.11.6, after it was accidently
>>> powered off from its physical move between tables with its power cable
>>> connected (still have its original battery inside). We tried unplugging
>>> everything (USB mouse and printer) and letting it cool down (was pretty
>>> warm in high 60F degrees kitchen). The only thing that still works is
>>> its MagSafe's light (green). I didn't smell anything burning either.
>>>
>>> Is this over decade old machine finally dead? :(
>>>
> 
>> So I'm assuming you get no startup chime, no indication at all that the
>> machine is trying to start?
> 
> Woah. Quick answer already. Thanks. "Yes, you are correct sir." --Ed
> McMann. NOTHING. I don't even hear its HDD.
> 
> 
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201295>
> 
> It mentioned to remove its battery. I decided to try powering it on
> without it. It worked! Hmm, I guess I can get recycle this battery
> finally since this very old and slow machine is rarely used. I wonder if
> it new battery replacements are very cheap and even worth it even if it
> is rarely used (always connected to power AC on a desk).
> 

Have you tried resetting the SMC?  https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201295

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#1242

On 2019-04-02 4:29 p.m., YK wrote:
> On 4/2/19 2:23 PM, Ant wrote:
>> In comp.sys.mac.portables Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
>>> On 2019-04-02 11:05 a.m., Ant wrote:
>>>> Hello.
>>>>
>>>> Over 30 minutes ago, my client and I were unable to boot up a 15" 2008
>>>> MacBook Pro, with Mac OS X El Capitan v10.11.6, after it was accidently
>>>> powered off from its physical move between tables with its power cable
>>>> connected (still have its original battery inside). We tried unplugging
>>>> everything (USB mouse and printer) and letting it cool down (was pretty
>>>> warm in high 60F degrees kitchen). The only thing that still works is
>>>> its MagSafe's light (green). I didn't smell anything burning either.
>>>>
>>>> Is this over decade old machine finally dead? :(
>>>>
>>
>>> So I'm assuming you get no startup chime, no indication at all that the
>>> machine is trying to start?
>>
>> Woah. Quick answer already. Thanks. "Yes, you are correct sir." --Ed
>> McMann. NOTHING. I don't even hear its HDD.
>>
>>
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201295>
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>>
>> It mentioned to remove its battery. I decided to try powering it on
>> without it. It worked! Hmm, I guess I can get recycle this battery
>> finally since this very old and slow machine is rarely used. I wonder if
>> it new battery replacements are very cheap and even worth it even if it
>> is rarely used (always connected to power AC on a desk).
>>
> 
> Have you tried resetting the SMC?  https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201295

Have you tried reading what was already in the post to which you were 
replying?

:-)

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#1243

Ant wrote:
> In comp.sys.mac.portables Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201295>
>
> It mentioned to remove its battery. I decided to try powering it on
> without it. It worked! Hmm, I guess I can get recycle this battery
> finally since this very old and slow machine is rarely used. I wonder if
> it new battery replacements are very cheap and even worth it even if it
> is rarely used (always connected to power AC on a desk).

I had a similar problem with the 15" MBP Late07. Sometimes it chimed and 
then just 'died', sometimes nothing when pressing the start button. So 
my guess is that the controlling chip on the orig. battery has died. 
When/if this happens, the MBP won't boot - no chime, nothing... - As you 
already have found out removing the battery partially solves the problem 
booting the MBP.

So I'll recommend to buy a new battery for it. I found some quite good 
and affordable batteries in a UK based webstore with even higher 
capacity than the original. Price was only apprx. £16 + shipping to 
Denmark. I bought 2 pcs. apprx. £43 incl. FirstClass Royal Mail. - This 
is less than half of what *1* orig. battery will cost!

A full charge lasts apprx. 5,5 hours which is fairly good for the Late07 
and the 2008 models.

Find the battery model number and just search on eBay.com, and I think 
you can get these 3.-party batteries just as cheap in the US.

Cheers, Erik Richard

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#1244

On 4/4/19 3:10 PM, ErikRS wrote:
> 
> 
> Ant wrote:
>> In comp.sys.mac.portables Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201295>
>>
>> It mentioned to remove its battery. I decided to try powering it on
>> without it. It worked! Hmm, I guess I can get recycle this battery
>> finally since this very old and slow machine is rarely used. I wonder if
>> it new battery replacements are very cheap and even worth it even if it
>> is rarely used (always connected to power AC on a desk).
> 
> I had a similar problem with the 15" MBP Late07. Sometimes it chimed and 
> then just 'died', sometimes nothing when pressing the start button. So 
> my guess is that the controlling chip on the orig. battery has died. 
> When/if this happens, the MBP won't boot - no chime, nothing... - As you 
> already have found out removing the battery partially solves the problem 
> booting the MBP.
> 
> So I'll recommend to buy a new battery for it. I found some quite good 
> and affordable batteries in a UK based webstore with even higher 
> capacity than the original. Price was only apprx. £16 + shipping to 
> Denmark. I bought 2 pcs. apprx. £43 incl. FirstClass Royal Mail. - This 
> is less than half of what *1* orig. battery will cost!
> 
> A full charge lasts apprx. 5,5 hours which is fairly good for the Late07 
> and the 2008 models.
> 
> Find the battery model number and just search on eBay.com, and I think 
> you can get these 3.-party batteries just as cheap in the US.
> 
> Cheers, Erik Richard
> 
Have never purchased a laptop battery but several years back, I needed a 
few extra specialty batteries for Canon digital SLR cameras in the US.

The Canon brand batteries were quite expensive so I ordered some third 
party ones from a couple of highly rated Ebay sellers. That was a 
mistake- three to four day self-discharge, limited number of pictures 
using them in the cameras and they got pretty hot when charging.

Not sure it things are any better these days- or if I just picked bad 
vendors back then- or if laptop batteries are a different story than 
camera batteries.

-- 
However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
								 - Winston Churchill

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#1245

On 2019-04-04 18:22, Wade Garrett wrote:

> The Canon brand batteries were quite expensive so I ordered some third 
> party ones from a couple of highly rated Ebay sellers. That was a 
> mistake- three to four day self-discharge, limited number of pictures 
> using them in the cameras and they got pretty hot when charging.
> 
> Not sure it things are any better these days- or if I just picked bad 
> vendors back then- or if laptop batteries are a different story than 
> camera batteries.

You picked a bad vendor.  I've bought several DSLR batts w/o issue.  One 
of them was far better than OEM in terms of capacity (and performed to 
that spec too...)

-- 
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  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#1306

On 4/4/19 6:36 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2019-04-04 18:22, Wade Garrett wrote:
> 
>> The Canon brand batteries were quite expensive so I ordered some third 
>> party ones from a couple of highly rated Ebay sellers. That was a 
>> mistake- three to four day self-discharge, limited number of pictures 
>> using them in the cameras and they got pretty hot when charging.
>>
>> Not sure it things are any better these days- or if I just picked bad 
>> vendors back then- or if laptop batteries are a different story than 
>> camera batteries.
> 
> You picked a bad vendor.  I've bought several DSLR batts w/o issue.  One 
> of them was far better than OEM in terms of capacity (and performed to 
> that spec too...)
> 
Would you happen to recall the battery brand or Ebay seller? I could use 
a couple more Canon DSLR batteries

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#1247

In message <q8602p$78t$1@news.albasani.net> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> wrote:
> The Canon brand batteries were quite expensive so I ordered some third 
> party ones from a couple of highly rated Ebay sellers.

There is no such thing as a reputable eBay seller, and the more highly
rated they are, the more likely it is they are scammers.

There is a reason I and my friends call it "fleabay" because it is about
as reputable as a flea market.

-- 
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#1308

On 4/5/19 12:04 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <q8602p$78t$1@news.albasani.net> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> wrote:
>> The Canon brand batteries were quite expensive so I ordered some third
>> party ones from a couple of highly rated Ebay sellers.
> 
> There is no such thing as a reputable eBay seller, and the more highly
> rated they are, the more likely it is they are scammers.
> 
> There is a reason I and my friends call it "fleabay" because it is about
> as reputable as a flea market.
> 

No doubt there are some bad operators and even outright crooks on Ebay.

But if things were as bleak as you say, I doubt he platform could have 
lasted as long as it has and been as financially successful...

-- 
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professional athletes having modest educational credentials and 
narrowly-focused life experience, why do folks pay any mind to their 
outspoken, vociferous lay opinions on political, social, economic and 
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#1301

Wade Garrett wrote:
> On 4/4/19 3:10 PM, ErikRS wrote:
>> Ant wrote:
>>> In comp.sys.mac.portables Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201295>
>>>
>>> It mentioned to remove its battery. I decided to try powering it on
>>> without it. It worked! Hmm, I guess I can get recycle this battery
>>> finally since this very old and slow machine is rarely used. I wonder if
>>> it new battery replacements are very cheap and even worth it even if it
>>> is rarely used (always connected to power AC on a desk).
>>
>> I had a similar problem with the 15" MBP Late07. Sometimes it chimed
>> and then just 'died', sometimes nothing when pressing the start
>> button. So my guess is that the controlling chip on the orig. battery
>> has died. When/if this happens, the MBP won't boot - no chime,
>> nothing... - As you already have found out removing the battery
>> partially solves the problem booting the MBP.
>>
>> So I'll recommend to buy a new battery for it. I found some quite good
>> and affordable batteries in a UK based webstore with even higher
>> capacity than the original. Price was only apprx. £16 + shipping to
>> Denmark. I bought 2 pcs. apprx. £43 incl. FirstClass Royal Mail. -
>> This is less than half of what *1* orig. battery will cost!
>>
>> A full charge lasts apprx. 5,5 hours which is fairly good for the
>> Late07 and the 2008 models.
>>
>> Find the battery model number and just search on eBay.com, and I think
>> you can get these 3.-party batteries just as cheap in the US.
>>
>> Cheers, Erik Richard
>
> Have never purchased a laptop battery but several years back, I needed a
> few extra specialty batteries for Canon digital SLR cameras in the US.
>
> The Canon brand batteries were quite expensive so I ordered some third
> party ones from a couple of highly rated Ebay sellers. That was a
> mistake- three to four day self-discharge, limited number of pictures
> using them in the cameras and they got pretty hot when charging.
>
> Not sure it things are any better these days- or if I just picked bad
> vendors back then- or if laptop batteries are a different story than
> camera batteries.

All camera & computer batteries (NiMH & LiION) will always have some 
kind of discharge when not used for a smaller or longer period.

I can tell that I haven't been using my MBP for apprx. 3 months due to 
I've been moving to a new apartment, but the other day I powered it up 
again and the discharge had only been apprx. 15% - i.e. apprx. 85% still 
left in the battery after not being used for nearly 3 months.

Reg. camera batteries - primarely now LiION - it also depends on the 
camera brand and model. - I'm using more brands of cameras - Canon, 
Olympus, Pentax and Sony-Monolta - right from a Canon EOS 5D II 
fullframe to Olympus OM-D E-M5 II with cropfactor 2,0 and Konica-Minolta 
7D and Sony ILCA A68.

Earlier I also had a EOS 450D (Rebel series in the US). This 450D 
discharged the battery within a month if the camera wasn't used - no 
matter whether it was the orig. Canon battery or a Patona. So does the 
Konica-Minolta 7D. Therefore I now always take out the batteries when I 
know that the camera won't be used for a while.

Also I never use 'noname' batteries, but only those I know are using 
either Panasonic or Daimond cells. - Here in Europe the best 3.-party 
batteries are Patona, MTEC, MTB, OTB and BluMaxx. These brands aren't 
the cheapest, but indeed cheaper than orig. batteries. - Fx. where an 
orig. battery will cost round €45-50, the best 3.-party (Patona) costs 
round €15-18. - Some even as low as €12 (MTEC, MTB, OTB). - And I always 
buy batteries with compatible info-chip to be sure that I can use the 
orig. charger.

Because of my move to new place I also haven't been using my EOS 5D II, 
but the day before yesterday I powered it on and found that there still 
was apprx. 70% left in the MTEC battery. - Just to check I also powered 
on the Sony A68, - this one had discharged to only apprx. 15% left - 
also with a MTEC battery. - Now I'd been curious and also powered on the 
Pentax K-3... Within the same apprx. 3 months of not being used it had 
only lost apprx. 5% discharge - also using MTEC batteries.

Cheers, Erik Richard

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#1246

In comp.sys.mac.portables ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:


> Ant wrote:
> > In comp.sys.mac.portables Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> wrote:
> >> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201295>
> >
> > It mentioned to remove its battery. I decided to try powering it on
> > without it. It worked! Hmm, I guess I can get recycle this battery
> > finally since this very old and slow machine is rarely used. I wonder if
> > it new battery replacements are very cheap and even worth it even if it
> > is rarely used (always connected to power AC on a desk).

> I had a similar problem with the 15" MBP Late07. Sometimes it chimed and 
> then just 'died', sometimes nothing when pressing the start button. So 
> my guess is that the controlling chip on the orig. battery has died. 
> When/if this happens, the MBP won't boot - no chime, nothing... - As you 
> already have found out removing the battery partially solves the problem 
> booting the MBP.

> So I'll recommend to buy a new battery for it. I found some quite good 
> and affordable batteries in a UK based webstore with even higher 
> capacity than the original. Price was only apprx. £16 + shipping to 
> Denmark. I bought 2 pcs. apprx. £43 incl. FirstClass Royal Mail. - This 
> is less than half of what *1* orig. battery will cost!

> A full charge lasts apprx. 5,5 hours which is fairly good for the Late07 
> and the 2008 models.

> Find the battery model number and just search on eBay.com, and I think 
> you can get these 3.-party batteries just as cheap in the US.

My client didn't want a new battery since he rarely uses it. It's very 
old and slow. We kept its battery slot empty so it can boot up normally. 

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#1248

In article <T_Gdnd9wha3SUTvBnZ2dnUU7-QWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> 
> My client didn't want a new battery since he rarely uses it. It's very 
> old and slow. We kept its battery slot empty so it can boot up normally.

don't do that. without a battery, it will run significantly slower and
there is also the risk of a sudden shutdown if there's a power glitch.

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#1249

On 2019-04-05, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <T_Gdnd9wha3SUTvBnZ2dnUU7-QWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
><ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>
>> My client didn't want a new battery since he rarely uses it. It's very 
>> old and slow. We kept its battery slot empty so it can boot up normally.
>
> don't do that. without a battery, it will run significantly slower and
> there is also the risk of a sudden shutdown if there's a power glitch.

...which can result in volume corruption and data loss.

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#1250

In article <ggpbtoFeehvU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >> My client didn't want a new battery since he rarely uses it. It's very 
> >> old and slow. We kept its battery slot empty so it can boot up normally.
> >
> > don't do that. without a battery, it will run significantly slower and
> > there is also the risk of a sudden shutdown if there's a power glitch.
> 
> ...which can result in volume corruption and data loss.

true, but i've not seen that happen.

the big issue is that it's much slower, roughly half-speed.

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#1251

On 05/04/2019 17:40, nospam wrote:
> In article <ggpbtoFeehvU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>>>> My client didn't want a new battery since he rarely uses it. It's very
>>>> old and slow. We kept its battery slot empty so it can boot up normally.
>>>
>>> don't do that. without a battery, it will run significantly slower and
>>> there is also the risk of a sudden shutdown if there's a power glitch.
>>
>> ...which can result in volume corruption and data loss.
> 
> true, but i've not seen that happen.
> 
> the big issue is that it's much slower, roughly half-speed.

Is that the same on non-Apple hardware?


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#1252

In article <MGLpE.61913$0n2.8673@fx28.fr7>, David in Devon
<BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>> My client didn't want a new battery since he rarely uses it. It's very
> >>>> old and slow. We kept its battery slot empty so it can boot up normally.
> >>>
> >>> don't do that. without a battery, it will run significantly slower and
> >>> there is also the risk of a sudden shutdown if there's a power glitch.
> >>
> >> ...which can result in volume corruption and data loss.
> > 
> > true, but i've not seen that happen.
> > 
> > the big issue is that it's much slower, roughly half-speed.
> 
> Is that the same on non-Apple hardware?

depends on the hardware.

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#1253

On 05/04/2019 17:54, nospam wrote:
> In article <MGLpE.61913$0n2.8673@fx28.fr7>, David in Devon
> <BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>>>>> My client didn't want a new battery since he rarely uses it. It's very
>>>>>> old and slow. We kept its battery slot empty so it can boot up normally.
>>>>>
>>>>> don't do that. without a battery, it will run significantly slower and
>>>>> there is also the risk of a sudden shutdown if there's a power glitch.
>>>>
>>>> ...which can result in volume corruption and data loss.
>>>
>>> true, but i've not seen that happen.
>>>
>>> the big issue is that it's much slower, roughly half-speed.
>>
>> Is that the same on non-Apple hardware?
> 
> depends on the hardware.

How about a Toshiba Satellite laptop?


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#1254

In article <CPLpE.61914$0n2.51599@fx28.fr7>, David in Devon
<BDonTJ@REMOVE.gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>
> >>> the big issue is that it's much slower, roughly half-speed.
> >>
> >> Is that the same on non-Apple hardware?
> > 
> > depends on the hardware.
> 
> How about a Toshiba Satellite laptop?

how about doing your own research.

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