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  2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2016-10-27 13:24 -0400
    Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-31 16:56 -0400
      Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2016-10-31 19:51 -0400
    Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-31 23:58 +0000
      Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2016-11-02 17:22 -0400
        Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-03 00:36 +0000
          Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2016-11-04 19:03 -0400
            Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-11-05 13:58 +1300
              Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-05 01:08 +0000
                Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-11-05 15:16 +1300
                  Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-05 04:17 +0000
                    Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-05 04:32 +0000
            Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-05 01:06 +0000
              Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2016-11-05 09:22 -0400
            Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2016-11-05 09:09 -0400
              Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2016-11-05 09:22 -0400
                Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2016-11-05 13:34 -0400
                  Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-05 18:35 +0000
                    Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2016-11-06 19:10 -0500
                      Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-07 01:50 +0000
    Re: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2016-11-11 11:00 -0500
    Mid-2012 freezes under 10.12.1 [was: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6] Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2016-11-23 12:00 -0500
      Re: Mid-2012 freezes under 10.12.1 [was: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6] Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-23 17:15 +0000
        Re: Mid-2012 freezes under 10.12.1 [was: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6] Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2016-11-23 13:48 -0500
          Re: Mid-2012 freezes under 10.12.1 [was: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6] Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-23 23:44 +0000
            Re: Mid-2012 freezes under 10.12.1 [was: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6] Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2016-11-26 16:49 -0500
    Re: 2012 MBP freezes under 10.12.1 Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2016-12-02 10:51 -0500
      Re: 2012 MBP freezes under 10.12.1 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-12-02 17:51 +0000

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#1068

I updated the computer to Sierra and that seems to have solved the 
problem.  Of course, one can never know that for sure but so far so good.

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#1069 — Mid-2012 freezes under 10.12.1 [was: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6]

After updating to Sierra my wife's 2015 MBP stopped freezing but now my 
Mid-2012 MBP freezes!  I knew about when I logged off and when I 
rebooted so I looked at the console log.  There were too many messages 
to mention and most of them either I didn't understand or didn't have 
any idea what to do about.  For example:

Nov 23 11:19:56 robert-peirces-computer com.apple.xpc.launchd[1] 
(com.apple.VoiceOver.running): The HideUntilCheckIn property is an 
architectural performance issue. Please transition away from it.

OK, but how?

The following occurred between the time I logged off and tried to log 
back on and had to reboot.  I'm thinking the 11:22 message was the last 
one before it froze.  11:32 may have been when I started trying to logon 
and 11:40 seems to be when I rebooted.

Nov 23 11:22:49 robert-peirces-computer com.apple.xpc.launchd[1] 
(com.apple.security.idskeychainsyncingproxy[9540]): Service did not exit 
5 seconds after SIGTERM. Sending SIGKILL.
Nov 23 11:32:38 robert-peirces-computer syslogd[72]: ASL Sender Statistics
Nov 23 11:40:42 localhost bootlog[0]: BOOT_TIME 1479919242 0

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#1070 — Re: Mid-2012 freezes under 10.12.1 [was: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6]

On 2016-11-23, Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> After updating to Sierra my wife's 2015 MBP stopped freezing but now my 
> Mid-2012 MBP freezes!  I knew about when I logged off and when I 
> rebooted so I looked at the console log.  There were too many messages 
> to mention and most of them either I didn't understand or didn't have 
> any idea what to do about.  For example:
>
> Nov 23 11:19:56 robert-peirces-computer com.apple.xpc.launchd[1] 
> (com.apple.VoiceOver.running): The HideUntilCheckIn property is an 
> architectural performance issue. Please transition away from it.
>
> OK, but how?
>
> The following occurred between the time I logged off and tried to log 
> back on and had to reboot.  I'm thinking the 11:22 message was the last 
> one before it froze.  11:32 may have been when I started trying to logon 
> and 11:40 seems to be when I rebooted.
>
> Nov 23 11:22:49 robert-peirces-computer com.apple.xpc.launchd[1] 
> (com.apple.security.idskeychainsyncingproxy[9540]): Service did not exit 
> 5 seconds after SIGTERM. Sending SIGKILL.
> Nov 23 11:32:38 robert-peirces-computer syslogd[72]: ASL Sender Statistics
> Nov 23 11:40:42 localhost bootlog[0]: BOOT_TIME 1479919242 0

You haven't described the nature of the freeze. When does it happen?
What are you doing with the computer at the time? Does the cursor move
when you move the mouse/trackpad? Etc.

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#1071 — Re: Mid-2012 freezes under 10.12.1 [was: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6]

On 11/23/16 12:15 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> You haven't described the nature of the freeze. When does it happen?
> What are you doing with the computer at the time? Does the cursor move
> when you move the mouse/trackpad? Etc.

It is the same problem as my wife's had.  If you let the machine go to 
sleep it may not wake up.  Usually this happens if I log off for the 
night.  This morning I just left it for a couple of hours and when I 
came back all I had was the screen saver.  I couldn't even get the mouse 
icon to wake up.

My wife's computer seemed to freeze every time you let it sleep under 
10.11.6.  Mine only does it sometimes.  I have not kept track of what 
percentage of the time it freezes but it is less than 100%.  Her's 
always froze.

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#1072 — Re: Mid-2012 freezes under 10.12.1 [was: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6]

On 2016-11-23, Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> On 11/23/16 12:15 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> You haven't described the nature of the freeze. When does it happen?
>> What are you doing with the computer at the time? Does the cursor move
>> when you move the mouse/trackpad? Etc.
>
> It is the same problem as my wife's had.  If you let the machine go to 
> sleep it may not wake up.  Usually this happens if I log off for the 
> night.  This morning I just left it for a couple of hours and when I 
> came back all I had was the screen saver.

Did the screen saver continue animations after you tried to wake up the
computer? Or did it stop and display something else? Or was the screen
static (frozen)?

> I couldn't even get the mouse icon to wake up.

Are you trying to say that the cursor wouldn't move when you moved the
mouse? 

Did you try pressing the space bar or another key on the keyboard?

Did the computer respond in *any* way to your efforts to wake it up?

> My wife's computer seemed to freeze every time you let it sleep under 
> 10.11.6.  Mine only does it sometimes.  I have not kept track of what 
> percentage of the time it freezes but it is less than 100%.  Her's 
> always froze.

There's got to be something in common between the two of them. Often
kernel panics are caused by misbehaving drivers. So perhaps they both
have the same third-party kernel extension installed, or perhaps both
are connected to the same make/model external USB device(s that are
malfunctioning during sleep/wake events). If the kernel is panicking
there should be a corresponding panic log with details about the panic;
IIRC you posted one of them for the other machine... 

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#1073 — Re: Mid-2012 freezes under 10.12.1 [was: 2015 MBP freezes under 10.11.6]

On 11/23/16 6:44 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Did the screen saver continue animations after you tried to wake up the
> computer? Or did it stop and display something else? Or was the screen
> static (frozen)?

Frozen

>
>> I couldn't even get the mouse icon to wake up.
>
> Are you trying to say that the cursor wouldn't move when you moved the
> mouse?
>
> Did you try pressing the space bar or another key on the keyboard?
>
> Did the computer respond in *any* way to your efforts to wake it up?

The cursor didn't even appear.  I pressed several different keys with no 
result.  Eventually I had to power down and back up

> There's got to be something in common between the two of them. Often
> kernel panics are caused by misbehaving drivers. So perhaps they both
> have the same third-party kernel extension installed, or perhaps both
> are connected to the same make/model external USB device(s that are
> malfunctioning during sleep/wake events). If the kernel is panicking
> there should be a corresponding panic log with details about the panic;
> IIRC you posted one of them for the other machine...
>

I have some add-on stuff but her machine is about as clean as can be. 
The only thing we have in commons is we both use the Microsoft Wireless 
Mobile Mouse 3000, but disconnecting it doesn't seem to help.  The 
interesting thing is I had not problem with 10.11 and she die.  Now she 
has no problem with 10.12 but I do.  However, it isn't every time for 
me.  I can't even tell in advance if it will freeze.  Sometime it does 
and sometimes it doesn't.  When I looked at the console logs I saw 
nothing that I cold identify as any kind of a panic.

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#1074 — Re: 2012 MBP freezes under 10.12.1

I have an update based on more experience.  As near as I can tell the 
ONLY time this happens is if I log off and let the screen go to sleep 
[black].  There may be a time period required but I have not determined 
that.  If I don't log off and the screen goes to sleep it seems always 
to wake up, even overnight.

When I attempt to wake the computer to log in the screen stays black. 
However, I have a Kensington USB numeric pad that has indicator lights 
and they stay on.  Therefore, as near as I can tell the computer is 
still functioning in some way.  The screen just won't wake up.

I wondered why this doesn't happen with my wife's 2015 MBP but 
remembered she shuts her computer off when she is not using it.  We're 
going to try logging off and leaving it on at night to see what happens.

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#1075 — Re: 2012 MBP freezes under 10.12.1

On 2016-12-02, Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:
> I have an update based on more experience.  As near as I can tell the 
> ONLY time this happens is if I log off and let the screen go to sleep 
> [black].  There may be a time period required but I have not determined 
> that.  If I don't log off and the screen goes to sleep it seems always 
> to wake up, even overnight.
>
> When I attempt to wake the computer to log in the screen stays black. 
> However, I have a Kensington USB numeric pad that has indicator lights 
> and they stay on.  Therefore, as near as I can tell the computer is 
> still functioning in some way.  The screen just won't wake up.

And nothing is logged in the system log around the time of the wake
event?

It's possible one of the peripherals you have connected to the machine
is not handling the wake event properly. You could rule that out by
disconnecting all peripherals before letting the machine sleep. If the
problem happens anyway, you've ruled out peripheral issues.

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