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VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"?

Started byDaveC <invalid@invalid.net>
First post2012-03-24 21:17 -0700
Last post2012-03-31 08:10 -0700
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  VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2012-03-24 21:17 -0700
    Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-25 00:41 -0400
      Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2012-03-24 22:09 -0700
        Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-03-25 08:42 -0400
        Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-25 13:20 -0400
          Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-03-25 17:44 +0000
            Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2012-03-25 11:14 -0700
            Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-25 18:14 -0400
              Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-25 18:29 -0400
          Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2012-03-25 11:13 -0700
            Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-03-25 17:39 -0400
              Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2012-03-25 21:11 -0700
                Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-26 00:40 -0400
                  Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-03-26 01:08 -0400
                    Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2012-03-25 23:16 -0700
                      Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-03-26 07:19 +0000
                        Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-26 10:55 +0200
                      Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-03-26 16:10 -0400
                        Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2012-03-26 22:18 -0700
                          Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-03-27 07:09 +0000
                          Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-03-27 04:46 -0400
                          Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-03-27 16:39 +0000
                            Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-03-27 17:14 +0000
                              Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-03-27 20:00 +0000
                            Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-03-27 13:45 -0400
                              Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-03-27 20:04 +0000
                                Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-27 22:48 -0400
                            Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2012-03-27 13:23 -0700
                              Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-03-27 20:44 +0000
                                Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2012-03-27 16:01 -0700
                                  Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-03-27 22:52 -0400
                                    Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-03-28 07:56 -0400
                                      Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-03-28 15:47 -0400
                                  Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-27 22:54 -0400
                                    Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-03-28 03:42 +0000
                                      Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-03-28 07:58 -0400
                                      Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-28 20:59 -0400
                            Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-27 22:45 -0400
                              Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2012-03-28 03:43 +0000
                                Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-28 21:05 -0400
            Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2012-03-25 18:28 -0400
    Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2012-03-25 01:48 -0400
    Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? David Sankey <David.Sankey@stfc.ac.uk> - 2012-03-26 09:58 +0100
      Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2012-03-26 08:31 -0700
        Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2012-03-26 08:43 -0700
        Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com> - 2012-03-26 18:09 +0000
    Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? ~± <info@nospam.net> - 2012-03-27 00:00 +0200
      Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? DaveC <invalid@invalid.net> - 2012-03-27 09:18 -0700
        Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? ~± <info@nospam.net> - 2012-03-27 22:54 +0200
    Re: VPN service that offers NOT "all traffic through VPN"? Maury Markowitz <maury.markowitz@gmail.com> - 2012-03-31 08:10 -0700

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#771

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2012-03-27 04:46 -0400
Message-ID<4f717e74$0$9235$c3e8da3$12bcf670@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#769
DaveC wrote:

> This is the fly in the ointment. I am looking for a way to specify "*.co.uk*"

Nop. Must be numeric.

However, you can specify subnets instead of individual IPs.

so you could specify:

212.58.224.0/19 which would grab any

212.58.224.0 to  212.58.255.255

BBC has an AS number of 2818

Based on one site, I saw the following blocks advertised:

  132.185.0.0/16       4777 2516 3356 2818
  132.185.128.0/20     4608 1221 4637 2818
  212.58.224.0/19      4777 2516 3356 2818

But the site I am using is often incomplete. There may be others. ALso,
if BBC uses some CDN services such as AKAMAI or LEVEL3 then all bets are
off because the IP address providing the video content may not be BBC.

When you get a BBC web page that tries to display some video, you will
need to do a "view source" or "page info , view media" and try to find
the ip address of the video provider.

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#774

FromPatty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com>
Date2012-03-27 16:39 +0000
Message-ID<4f71ed33$0$49378$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
In reply to#769
If I'm understanding this thread correctly, in addition to providing
VPN service, Witopia also lets you make your computer to be in another
country so that it can access sites like BBC iPlayer that can only be
viewed in their own countries?

I looked at Witopia's website and couldn't find anything that mentioned
that capability explicitly, but perhaps that's because they don't want
to advertise that they're helping people sneak around copyright laws.
So can someone here confirm that Witopia's service allows this, and
also, give me an idea of what's required to set it up on Snow Leopard?

I was asking a friend about this capability a couple of months ago,
and he came back with a warning about using the free open proxy servers
(for various reasons) plus a long explanation of how he (a networking
engineer) does it himself with a bunch of UNIX programs that I really
don't feel like installing...


Patty

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#775

From"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <gsm@mendelson.com>
Date2012-03-27 17:14 +0000
Message-ID<slrnjn3t50.h0h.gsm@cable.mendelson.com>
In reply to#774
Patty Winter wrote:

> I was asking a friend about this capability a couple of months ago,
> and he came back with a warning about using the free open proxy servers
> (for various reasons) plus a long explanation of how he (a networking
> engineer) does it himself with a bunch of UNIX programs that I really
> don't feel like installing...

That's why you would pay for it. To get support and instructions.

Using a free proxy server is a good idea for watching TV or listening to
streaming audio, but you don't want to use it for anything that you send
sensitive data to or from.

While I'm sure most proxy servers are ok, there could be one that monitors
what you do looking for credit card numbers, etc. Free ones more likely
than pay ones.

There are also other options if they still exist. One was a company that
would put a slingbox in their data center and dedicate it to you. You used
the regular slingbox viewer on your computer. It was not cheap, around
a UKP a day, with discounts if you bought an entire year at one time.

Another was a company in Gibralter which was the far end of the spot beam
of the UK satellites. They were able to receive FTA (free to the air) the
BBC, ITV, etc. 

They streamed the signals to you and you paid them for the bandwidth.

It was legal in Gibralter, it may not be legal where you are, and they may
or may not still be in business.

Geoff.
-- 
Geoffrey S. Mendelson,  N3OWJ/4X1GM
My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlorian count. :-(

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#777

FromPatty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com>
Date2012-03-27 20:00 +0000
Message-ID<4f721c71$0$49359$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
In reply to#775
In article <slrnjn3t50.h0h.gsm@cable.mendelson.com>,
Geoffrey S. Mendelson <gsm@mendelson.com> wrote:
>Patty Winter wrote:
>
>> I was asking a friend about this capability a couple of months ago,
>> and he came back with a warning about using the free open proxy servers
>> (for various reasons) plus a long explanation of how he (a networking
>> engineer) does it himself with a bunch of UNIX programs that I really
>> don't feel like installing...
>
>That's why you would pay for it. To get support and instructions.

Huh? I don't think my friend was using commercial programs. Even
if he was, they weren't anything I wanted to set up. He's helping
some folks who live in countries where Internet access is restricted.
I just need end-user software, not any kind of proxy server.


Patty

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#776

FromWarren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date2012-03-27 13:45 -0400
Message-ID<4f71fca0$0$59058$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#774
In article <4f71ed33$0$49378$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
 Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

> I looked at Witopia's website and couldn't find anything that mentioned
> that capability explicitly, but perhaps that's because they don't want
> to advertise that they're helping people sneak around copyright laws.
> So can someone here confirm that Witopia's service allows this, and
> also, give me an idea of what's required to set it up on Snow Leopard?

Yes it works.  I use it frequently. Mostly, at our level, it's used for 
that and by people from outside the US looking to get Hulu and so on; I 
use it for Pandora and the iPlayer (and the ITV player). It's also 
heavily used by people in China etc. to get around serious censorship. 

As for Snow Leopard: just follow the instructions. Their support pages 
are pretty good, and they offer one-on-one customer service (I've never 
tried it, so I can't comment on its quality). They don't have a free 
trial per se, but they do offer a money-back 30-day "guarantee."

If you have a US address, they'll ship you a VPN'd router (they call it 
"Cloakbox") that will sit in front of all the computers on your LAN. The 
normal license only allows installation on 2 computers.
-- 

... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child

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#778

FromPatty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com>
Date2012-03-27 20:04 +0000
Message-ID<4f721d38$0$49359$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
In reply to#776
In article <4f71fca0$0$59058$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com>,
Warren Oates  <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
>In article <4f71ed33$0$49378$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
> Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
>> I looked at Witopia's website and couldn't find anything that mentioned
>> that capability explicitly, but perhaps that's because they don't want
>> to advertise that they're helping people sneak around copyright laws.
>> So can someone here confirm that Witopia's service allows this, and
>> also, give me an idea of what's required to set it up on Snow Leopard?
>
>Yes it works.  I use it frequently. 

Thanks, Warren!

>As for Snow Leopard: just follow the instructions. Their support pages 
>are pretty good, and they offer one-on-one customer service (I've never 
>tried it, so I can't comment on its quality). 

As mentioned, I didn't see any information about using overseas media
servers. Are you saying to just follow the instructions for their VPN
capability, and those will include information on how to tell your 
computer to go through a proxy server?


>They don't have a free 
>trial per se, but they do offer a money-back 30-day "guarantee."

I saw that, yes.


>If you have a US address, they'll ship you a VPN'd router (they call it 
>"Cloakbox") that will sit in front of all the computers on your LAN. The 
>normal license only allows installation on 2 computers.

Oh, okay, Witopia might be overkill for my needs, then. I don't need 
VPN for anything so am not interested in paying for and installing any
hardware. I just want to be able to view occasional videos on the BBC 
and CBC websites...


Patty

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#785

FromWes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org>
Date2012-03-27 22:48 -0400
Message-ID<jktu6i$tms$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#778
On 03-27-2012 17:05, Wilbur Eleven wrote:
> product they offer. Most people just pay for the service; you already
> have some of the software, and Viscosity is free.

Not a great marketing name for a networking tool.

"And Viscosity won't slow you down!"


-- 
Wes Groleau

    Ostracism: A practice of sticking your head in the sand.

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#779

FromDaveC <invalid@invalid.net>
Date2012-03-27 13:23 -0700
Message-ID<0001HW.CB976FD8017A6D2EB04179BF@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#774
> If I'm understanding this thread correctly, in addition to providing
> VPN service, Witopia also lets you make your computer to be in another
> country so that it can access sites like BBC iPlayer that can only be
> viewed in their own countries?
> ...
> Patty

-=-=-=-

Patty,
A VPN service is commonly referred to as analogous to a tunnel: you use 
software (and pay an entrance fee) to enter the tunnel and when you come out 
the other end you are somewhere else (ie, the U.K.) and your IP address (as 
it looks to everyone else) is of that new location.

As someone else said, free VPN services are fine if you're not worried about 
sensitive information (personal info, credit cards, etc.), but they're OK if 
you just want to watch TV or such in the other country (ie, U.K.). But free 
frequently means "slow", so once again TNSTAAFL* applies.

Good VPN services have many servers located in many countries and you can 
choose which one to "be" in those countries. Some lock you to one 
server/country, and others allow you to switch as your heart desires. (Ask 
before signing up what the service's policy is regarding this.)

Paid VPN services abound. I'm trying out one that I've found to be the 
fastest so far and quite affordable: 

<http://www.vpn4all.com>

They have a free trial (REALLY 30-day free trial: the first month is free and 
you don't even give them a credit card # until the 2nd month.)

(The following I've not confirmed but I've read that it can be an issue, so 
it bears checking out...)
Regarding credit card use and VPNs, your credit card account sometimes (and 
PayPal, for sure) watches what IP address (and thereby the country) from 
which the card is used. This may cause a panic at your bank or PayPal if it's 
not consistent with your data on-file (this is how fraud is detected). So ask 
a potential VPN service if they offer a means to let you use your card from a 
server near your home while still using the VPN.

Dave (originator of this thread)

(* There's No Such Thing As A Free Lunch)

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#780

FromPatty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com>
Date2012-03-27 20:44 +0000
Message-ID<4f72269c$0$49366$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
In reply to#779
In article <0001HW.CB976FD8017A6D2EB04179BF@news.eternal-september.org>,
DaveC  <newsgroups> wrote:
>
>A VPN service is commonly referred to as analogous to a tunnel: you use 
>software (and pay an entrance fee) to enter the tunnel and when you come out 
>the other end you are somewhere else (ie, the U.K.) and your IP address (as 
>it looks to everyone else) is of that new location.

Dave, you're saying "i.e." because I mentioned BBC iPlayer, right? Surely
the UK is just an example, not the only possible destination?


>Good VPN services have many servers located in many countries and you can 
>choose which one to "be" in those countries. Some lock you to one 
>server/country, and others allow you to switch as your heart desires. (Ask 
>before signing up what the service's policy is regarding this.)

Oh, interesting. So you say, "I want VPN service to Canada" and that's
the only country you can go to with those companies?


>Paid VPN services abound. I'm trying out one that I've found to be the 
>fastest so far and quite affordable: 
>
><http://www.vpn4all.com>
>
>They have a free trial (REALLY 30-day free trial: the first month is free and 
>you don't even give them a credit card # until the 2nd month.)

Thanks for the info!


>(The following I've not confirmed but I've read that it can be an issue, so 
>it bears checking out...)
>Regarding credit card use and VPNs, your credit card account sometimes (and 
>PayPal, for sure) watches what IP address (and thereby the country) from 
>which the card is used. This may cause a panic at your bank or PayPal if it's 
>not consistent with your data on-file (this is how fraud is detected). So ask 
>a potential VPN service if they offer a means to let you use your card from a 
>server near your home while still using the VPN.

So if I subscribe to a VPN company that's based in the U.S. (such as
Witopia), but I'm using them to access servers in other countries,
if I enter a credit-card number on their website, it will be forwarded
to the credit-card company as though I were in another country?? In
other words, even my use of Witopia's website will go through their
VPN to another country?


Patty

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#783

FromDaveC <invalid@invalid.net>
Date2012-03-27 16:01 -0700
Message-ID<0001HW.CB9794D901831950B02919BF@news.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#780
> Dave, you're saying "i.e." because I mentioned BBC iPlayer, right? Surely
> the UK is just an example, not the only possible destination?

A proxy service is actually what we're talking about: a server you pay to 
have access "through" to the internet. This server is (usually) in another 
country (the U.K. is one example). Some services have you choose one country 
in which you want access to a proxy server, and that's the only country you 
can have proxy access to for that subscription. Some provide you with a menu 
from you can choose one of several (one at a time) servers and you can switch 
as desired, anytime.

A VPN (virtual private network) is a "tunnel" and includes (usually) a proxy 
service as described above. The VPN service gives you the protection of 
encryption: the traffic between you and the remote proxy server is not 
visible to anyone short of a government (those with enough $$ to be able to 
decrypt your traffic).

The proxy server gives you some anonymity (you are seen as being located in 
that country), but if the communication (your web browsing and e-mail 
traffic) between you and the remote proxy server is readily visible to all 
and sundry, the anonymity of the proxy service is kind of moot. Hence the 
power of VPN over simple proxy service.

> Oh, interesting. So you say, "I want VPN service to Canada" and that's
> the only country you can go to with those companies?

Some, yes, some no. (See above.)

> So if I subscribe to a VPN company that's based in the U.S. (such as
> Witopia), but I'm using them to access servers in other countries,
> if I enter a credit-card number on their website, it will be forwarded
> to the credit-card company as though I were in another country?? In
> other words, even my use of Witopia's website will go through their
> VPN to another country?
> 
> Patty

That's my understanding. I've not yet tried it but it is important to ask 
such questions of a potential VPN or proxy service provider before signing 
up.

Good luck!

Dave

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#786

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2012-03-27 22:52 -0400
Message-ID<4f727cf6$0$64864$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#783
Proxy service won't work because the flash plugin gets its own TCP
connections to the internet and doesn't necessarily use the browser,s
proxy settings.

iPlayer uses Flash.

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#790

FromWarren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date2012-03-28 07:56 -0400
Message-ID<4f72fc73$0$441$c3e8da3$4db35a27@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#786
In article <4f727cf6$0$64864$c3e8da3$f6268168@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> Proxy service won't work because the flash plugin gets its own TCP
> connections to the internet and doesn't necessarily use the browser,s
> proxy settings.
> 
> iPlayer uses Flash.

Well, it works for me. Flash and all. All connections to the Internet 
from my machine go through the VPN. Flash doesn't have its own little 
Internet connection.
-- 

... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child

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#792

FromJF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date2012-03-28 15:47 -0400
Message-ID<4f736acf$0$59011$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#790
Warren Oates wrote:

> Well, it works for me. Flash and all. All connections to the Internet 
> from my machine go through the VPN. Flash doesn't have its own little 
> Internet connection.

VPN  != proxy HTTP.


Proxy HTTP is done by the browser for its own HTTP connections. The HTTP
request is different because it is sent to the proxy server and contains
additional headers that allow the proxy server to connect to the desired
location.

This does not "capture" the connections that Flash makes by itself.


a VPN is done at the IP stack level and creates a new IP interface with
routes to it. So any application will use that interface/route if the
destination IP fits the route.

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#787

FromWes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org>
Date2012-03-27 22:54 -0400
Message-ID<jktugk$20s$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#783
On 03-27-2012 19:01, DaveC wrote:
> The proxy server gives you some anonymity (you are seen as being located in
> that country), but if the communication (your web browsing and e-mail
> traffic) between you and the remote proxy server is readily visible to all
> and sundry, the anonymity of the proxy service is kind of moot. Hence the
> power of VPN over simple proxy service.

But for just web browsing, what makes WiTopia better than SSL ?

A = you

B, C = WiTopia servers

D = destination

A -> B -> C -> D

A to B is encrypted; B to C probably; C to D, no

proxy with SSL:  A -> D, fully encrypted all the way

-- 
Wes Groleau

   “Isn't embarrassing to quote something you didn't read
    and then attack what it didn't say?”

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#788

FromPatty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com>
Date2012-03-28 03:42 +0000
Message-ID<4f7288ad$0$49324$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
In reply to#787
In article <jktugk$20s$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau  <none.of@your.biz> wrote:
>
>But for just web browsing, what makes WiTopia better than SSL ?
>
>A = you
>
>B, C = WiTopia servers
>
>D = destination
>
>A -> B -> C -> D
>
>A to B is encrypted; B to C probably; C to D, no
>
>proxy with SSL:  A -> D, fully encrypted all the way

Wes, do you know of any free or low-cost proxies that are safe to use?


Patty

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#791

FromWarren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date2012-03-28 07:58 -0400
Message-ID<4f72fce8$0$441$c3e8da3$4db35a27@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to#788
In article <4f7288ad$0$49324$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>,
 Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

> In article <jktugk$20s$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau  <none.of@your.biz> 
> wrote:
> >
> >But for just web browsing, what makes WiTopia better than SSL ?
> >
> >A = you
> >
> >B, C = WiTopia servers
> >
> >D = destination
> >
> >A -> B -> C -> D
> >
> >A to B is encrypted; B to C probably; C to D, no
> >
> >proxy with SSL:  A -> D, fully encrypted all the way
> 
> Wes, do you know of any free or low-cost proxies that are safe to use?
> 
> 
> Patty

You can Google for a list of proxies, and try them out with iPlayer. The 
BBC either know about most of them, or know what the signature is, and 
block them.
-- 

... do not cover a warm kettle or your stock may sour. -- Julia Child

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#793

FromWes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org>
Date2012-03-28 20:59 -0400
Message-ID<jl0c4m$4dh$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#788
On 03-27-2012 23:42, Patty Winter wrote:
> Wes, do you know of any free or low-cost proxies that are safe to use?

The only thing that I _know_ is safe is the one I run myself.
Otherwise, I am taking their word for it.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    Ostracism: A practice of sticking your head in the sand.

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#784

FromWes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org>
Date2012-03-27 22:45 -0400
Message-ID<jktu16$tms$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#774
On 03-27-2012 12:39, Patty Winter wrote:
> I looked at Witopia's website and couldn't find anything that mentioned
> that capability explicitly, but perhaps that's because they don't want
> to advertise that they're helping people sneak around copyright laws.
> So can someone here confirm that Witopia's service allows this, and
> also, give me an idea of what's required to set it up on Snow Leopard?

Yes.  For a better answer, read their FAQ.

-- 
Wes Groleau

    I've noticed lately that the paranoid fear of computers becoming
    intelligent and taking over the world has almost entirely disappeared
    from the common culture.  Near as I can tell, this coincides with
    the release of MS-DOS.
                                  — Larry DeLuca

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#789

FromPatty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com>
Date2012-03-28 03:43 +0000
Message-ID<4f7288e5$0$49324$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>
In reply to#784
In article <jktu16$tms$2@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau  <none.of@your.biz> wrote:
>On 03-27-2012 12:39, Patty Winter wrote:
>> I looked at Witopia's website and couldn't find anything that mentioned
>> that capability explicitly, but perhaps that's because they don't want
>> to advertise that they're helping people sneak around copyright laws.
>> So can someone here confirm that Witopia's service allows this, and
>> also, give me an idea of what's required to set it up on Snow Leopard?
>
>Yes.  For a better answer, read their FAQ.

I did read the FAQ. As I noted, they don't say anything about pretending
to be in another country.


Patty

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#794

FromWes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org>
Date2012-03-28 21:05 -0400
Message-ID<jl0ch8$7h6$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#789
On 03-27-2012 23:43, Patty Winter wrote:
> I did read the FAQ. As I noted, they don't say anything about pretending
> to be in another country.

In the FAQ:

https://www.witopia.net/support/faq/#doyouissueus

Behind the "Why do I need" button on the main page:

"You want to use a service or application that is geographically 
restricted by IP address.

A nice side benefit of using WiTopia VPN service is that you can enjoy 
the use of an IP address in so many different countries and switch at 
will.  In fact, the WiTopia VPN network dwarfs the others. Hundreds of 
servers spread all over the globe (see chart) with more being added all 
the time. Have a request? Let us know."

-- 
Wes Groleau

    Ostracism: A practice of sticking your head in the sand.

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