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Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks).

Started byANTant@zimage.com (Ant)
First post2013-10-26 17:02 -0500
Last post2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
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  Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2013-10-26 17:02 -0500
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 20:21 -0400
      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> - 2013-10-27 08:08 -0500
        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-27 10:10 -0400
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-27 02:37 +0000
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-26 23:09 -0400
      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-27 09:31 -0500
        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 11:00 -0400
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-27 10:30 -0700
      Re: Online iCloud is required when sync(hroniz)ing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-27 12:21 -0700
      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 10:20 -0600
        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-28 18:15 +0100
          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 12:31 -0600
            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 18:38 -0400
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-29 12:16 -0500
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 18:22 +0000
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-28 15:57 -0700
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 20:56 -0600
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 23:57 -0400
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 00:47 -0400
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 02:02 -0400
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 21:38 -0400
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-29 19:38 -0700
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 00:50 -0400
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 22:21 -0400
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-30 09:09 -0400
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 09:05 +1100
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "857" <8571953@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 06:59 +1100
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 11:13 +0100
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-29 12:59 -0600
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 09:07 +0100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 11:00 -0400
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 16:22 +0100
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 14:53 -0400
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-30 14:56 -0400
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2013-10-30 21:01 +0000
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-11-02 06:53 -0700
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:28 +1100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-11-02 06:53 -0700
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 09:28 +0100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-31 09:17 -0400
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 15:01 +0100
                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-31 13:35 -0400
                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:28 +0100
                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-31 15:36 -0400
                                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 01:46 +0000
                                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-01 22:20 -0400
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> - 2013-11-02 08:26 +0100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-02 15:06 -0400
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2013-11-02 13:42 +0100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 05:37 +1100
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 06:24 +0100
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 19:32 +1100
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 14:37 +0000
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 04:48 +1100
                                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-01 22:45 -0400
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 14:37 +0000
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:12 -0400
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:32 +0100
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 18:18 +0100
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-11-02 22:49 -0600
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:23 +0000
            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 18:02 +0100
          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 16:08 -0400
            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 11:00 +0100
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 06:28 -0700
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 16:42 +0100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 08:53 -0700
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 17:29 +0100
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 09:41 -0700
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 08:33 +1100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 15:58 -0700
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 12:30 +1100
                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:23 +1100
                                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:13 -0700
                                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:24 +1100
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 16:32 -0700
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 11:22 +1100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 02:41 +0000
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 20:51 -0700
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:42 +1100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-30 21:55 -0500
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 20:53 -0700
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:43 +1100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-30 22:05 -0500
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 21:00 -0700
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-31 10:01 -0400
                                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-31 07:39 -0700
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:48 +1100
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-06 17:21 -0600
                                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 19:58 -0700
                                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-07 09:32 -0600
                                                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-07 22:03 -0700
                                                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-09 10:06 -0600
                                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-09 20:01 -0700
                                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-09 22:36 -0500
                                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-09 21:26 -0700
                                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-11 09:58 +0000
                                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2013-11-10 09:49 -0500
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:38 +1100
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 16:41 +0100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:08 -0700
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 08:28 +1100
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:44 +1100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 17:52 -0400
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:28 +1100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 15:54 -0700
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 12:28 +1100
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 23:08 -0700
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:15 +1100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:11 -0700
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:22 +1100
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 10:22 -0400
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 16:52 +0100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:42 +1100
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:17 +1100
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 09:24 +0100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:38 +1100
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 09:53 +0100
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 08:34 +1100
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:53 +0100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-05 05:21 +1100
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-05 12:58 +0100
                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 05:25 +1100
                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-06 12:41 +0100
                                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 04:53 +1100
        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 18:02 +0100
          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-05 14:08 -0500
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-10-27 19:34 -0500
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-28 17:07 +0000
      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000

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#1960

FromMichelle Steiner <foo@bar.com>
Date2013-11-06 19:58 -0700
Message-ID<061120131958012291%foo@bar.com>
In reply to#1959
In article <CEA02B03.A3BB8%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Now that we've got that out of our system, let's get back to discussing
> > the Macintosh.
> 
> Good idea. Been on vacation and ready to go now...

I hope you enjoyed it.  I'll be pretty much out of the loop from
tomorrow through Sunday; I'll be playing at an ACBL Sectional
Tournament.

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#1961

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2013-11-07 09:32 -0600
Message-ID<CEA10EAD.A3ED3%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#1960


On 11/6/13 8:58 PM, in article 061120131958012291%foo@bar.com, "Michelle
Steiner" <foo@bar.com> wrote:

> In article <CEA02B03.A3BB8%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Now that we've got that out of our system, let's get back to discussing
>>> the Macintosh.
>> 
>> Good idea. Been on vacation and ready to go now...
> 
> I hope you enjoyed it.  I'll be pretty much out of the loop from
> tomorrow through Sunday; I'll be playing at an ACBL Sectional
> Tournament.

Thanks. Got a little spike buck and visited with family in E. Texas for some
R&R. Hope you win a lot of dinero!

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#1964

FromMichelle Steiner <foo@bar.com>
Date2013-11-07 22:03 -0700
Message-ID<071120132203543702%foo@bar.com>
In reply to#1961
In article <CEA10EAD.A3ED3%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > I hope you enjoyed it.  I'll be pretty much out of the loop from
> > tomorrow through Sunday; I'll be playing at an ACBL Sectional
> > Tournament.
> 
> Thanks. Got a little spike buck and visited with family in E. Texas
> for some R&R. Hope you win a lot of dinero!

It's not gambling; there's no money at stake.  But our team won its
first two rounds, and will be playing in the finals tomorrow.  We
should pick up a bunch of master points.

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#1965

FromGeorge Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
Date2013-11-09 10:06 -0600
Message-ID<CEA3B9A1.A4014%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>
In reply to#1964


On 11/7/13 11:03 PM, in article 071120132203543702%foo@bar.com, "Michelle
Steiner" <foo@bar.com> wrote:

> In article <CEA10EAD.A3ED3%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
> <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> I hope you enjoyed it.  I'll be pretty much out of the loop from
>>> tomorrow through Sunday; I'll be playing at an ACBL Sectional
>>> Tournament.
>> 
>> Thanks. Got a little spike buck and visited with family in E. Texas
>> for some R&R. Hope you win a lot of dinero!
> 
> It's not gambling; there's no money at stake.  But our team won its
> first two rounds, and will be playing in the finals tomorrow.  We
> should pick up a bunch of master points.

No side-bets? That makes it better! LOL!!!

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#1966

FromMichelle Steiner <foo@bar.com>
Date2013-11-09 20:01 -0700
Message-ID<091120132001524553%foo@bar.com>
In reply to#1965
In article <CEA3B9A1.A4014%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>> I hope you enjoyed it.  I'll be pretty much out of the loop from
> >>> tomorrow through Sunday; I'll be playing at an ACBL Sectional
> >>> Tournament.
> >> 
> >> Thanks. Got a little spike buck and visited with family in E. Texas
> >> for some R&R. Hope you win a lot of dinero!
> > 
> > It's not gambling; there's no money at stake.  But our team won its
> > first two rounds, and will be playing in the finals tomorrow.  We
> > should pick up a bunch of master points.
> 
> No side-bets? That makes it better! LOL!!!

Update:  We won the finals.  This morning I played in another knockout
team event; we won the first round, but were eliminated in the second. 
This afternoon, I played in a pairs event, and we took first place in
our division. I was a bit off; we should have placed in the next higher
division.

If people are discovered gambling on the side, they'll get Pete Rosed
from the ACBL.

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#1967

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2013-11-09 22:36 -0500
Message-ID<091120132236164803%star@sky.net>
In reply to#1966
Michelle Steiner:
> If people are discovered gambling on the side, they'll get Pete Rosed
> from the ACBL.

Unjustly kicked out for betting on their own team to win? Wow!

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#1968

FromMichelle Steiner <foo@bar.com>
Date2013-11-09 21:26 -0700
Message-ID<091120132126593450%foo@bar.com>
In reply to#1967
In article <091120132236164803%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
wrote:

> > If people are discovered gambling on the side, they'll get Pete Rosed
> > from the ACBL.
> 
> Unjustly kicked out for betting on their own team to win? Wow!

Kicked out for betting, period.

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#1978

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-11-11 09:58 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl81aid.1kjh.g.kreme@jaka.local>
In reply to#1968
In message <091120132126593450%foo@bar.com> 
  Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> wrote:
> In article <091120132236164803%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net>
> wrote:

>> > If people are discovered gambling on the side, they'll get Pete Rosed
>> > from the ACBL.
>> 
>> Unjustly kicked out for betting on their own team to win? Wow!

> Kicked out for betting, period.

Justly.

-- 
I know you won't believe it's true I only went with her cuz she looked
like you

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#1974

From"M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com>
Date2013-11-10 09:49 -0500
Message-ID<l5o6da$itr$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1967
On 11/9/13, 10:36 PM, Davoud wrote:
> Michelle Steiner:
>> If people are discovered gambling on the side, they'll get Pete Rosed
>> from the ACBL.
>
> Unjustly kicked out for betting on their own team to win? Wow!
>
I've heard that argument but if you coach every game you bet on like 
it's the seventh game of the world series you're not doing your team, or 
baseball any favors.  In a long season sometimes you have to make a 
decision that might not be the best one for an individual game but do 
your team a lot more good in the long haul.

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#1921

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2013-11-01 07:38 +1100
Message-ID<bdftf1Fn2k2U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1905
George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote 
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>> Now is the time for you to go into shrieking bull dyke mode...

>>> And that is precisely what he did, right on cue.

>> There's a three-alarm response to extinguish the flames on your pants,
>> you homophobic mother-fucking liar.  Crawl back under your rock.
 
> You gotta know that "Rod Speed" is the troll 
> incarnation of your old friend Zara, et al, don't you? 

Fraid not. 

> Look at the cross-posts.

Those were there in the thread before I even commented. 
 

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#1876

FromMichael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de>
Date2013-10-30 16:41 +0100
Message-ID<l4r9bq$rl2$1@news.sap-ag.de>
In reply to#1827
Am 29.10.2013 17:41, schrieb Michelle Steiner:
> In article <l4onpk$1cl$1@news.sap-ag.de>, Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de>
> wrote:
>
>>> No, they didn't.  Any reports you may have read saying that they did
>>> are distortions at best and fabrications at worst.
>>
>> Ok, if you feel that the video at
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Kc5Xvr24Aw> is
>> a fabrication, be my guest.
>
> At what point in that 32-minute video does he say that the NSA aims
> only at terrorists?  I do not have the time nor the patience to sit
> through the whole thing.

It is really not that easy to follow him through the video, but e.g. 
around 16:00 (or a few seconds earlier) he clearly states that at least 
two of the currently heavily criticized programs aim only at terrorists. 
Put that together with the fact that (at least up to that point in the 
video) he only talks about terrorists they're after. Yes, he mentions 
cybersecurity as well, but my understanding of his words is that the 
people behind those attacks are in the end just terrorists as well.

Best regards,

Michael

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#1880

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2013-10-30 10:08 -0700
Message-ID<301020131008061211%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#1876
In article <l4r9bq$rl2$1@news.sap-ag.de>, Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de>
wrote:

> > At what point in that 32-minute video does he say that the NSA aims
> > only at terrorists?  I do not have the time nor the patience to sit
> > through the whole thing.
> 
> It is really not that easy to follow him through the video, but e.g. 
> around 16:00 (or a few seconds earlier) he clearly states that at least 
> two of the currently heavily criticized programs aim only at terrorists.

He said, "We're going after terrorists with those programs".  That in
no way means that he said or implied that the NSA aims only at
terrorists.  He was referring to two specific programs out of many
programs that the NSA has.

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#1845

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2013-10-30 08:28 +1100
Message-ID<bdankjFk7v3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1826
Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote 
> Michelle Steiner wrote
>> Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote

>>>>> But sure, the NSA aims only at terrorists.

>>>> No one ever claimed that.

>>> US officials did.

>> No, they didn't.  Any reports you may have read saying that 
>> they did are distortions at best and fabrications at worst.
 
> Ok, if you feel that the video at 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Kc5Xvr24Aw> is 
> a fabrication, be my guest. But I'd say that Keith Alexander 
> is actually a quite high-ranking US official 

Director of the NSA in fact. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_B._Alexander

> and that the video looks pretty original to me.
 
> That Alexander claims to protect at the same time civil rights and 
> privacy is no more than a claim to me, and not a very likely one 
> seeing that they routinely violate civil rights and privacy of people 
> known to have no connection to terrorism whatsoever.
 

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#1842

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2013-10-30 07:44 +1100
Message-ID<bdal26Fjm5hU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1824
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote 
> Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote
>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote 
>>> Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote

>>>> But sure, the NSA aims only at terrorists.

>>> No one ever claimed that.

>> US officials did. 
 
> No, they didn't.  

Yes they did. 

> Any reports you may have read saying that they did
> are distortions at best and fabrications at worst.

They aren't 'reports' we have the buggers saying that in person. 

Obama himself in fact.  

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#1848

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2013-10-29 17:52 -0400
Message-ID<291020131752260513%star@sky.net>
In reply to#1823
Michael Eyd:
> And believe me, I know what the services want to achieve - this is 
> completely independent from the country they belong to. Nevertheless, it 
> is a question they should continuously ask themselves whether everything 
> they can should be done by them. E.g. spying on high(est)-ranking 
> politicians from close allies. E.g. tapping into the phone calls of 
> high(est)-ranking politicians from close allies. ...

You are mistaken in your belief that the U.S. Intelligence community
chooses its own targets. They follow directions--known as tasking--from
above.  

> They should always consider the harm done if this gets public (as it now 
> has), and the loss in trust the US has to bear by that.

Interesting point. It's not the alleged spying that is the problem, but
knowledge of the spying by a public that is poorly informed and naïve.
You don't seriously believe that any of the recent revelations
surprised any European leaders, do you? It's just that these things are
not discussed in polite company except when a traitor like Snowden
comes along and forces these unpleasant subjects on us.

> Or, to put it the other way around: What would you say, what would POTUS 
> say if the German (or French or Spanish or ...) secret service tapped 
> into his phone calls, noticing who he was talking to, possibly even 
> listening to every word said? I really wouldn't expect that anybody in 
> the US would take that lightheartedly... ;-)

Realistically. Suddenly every European is an expert on NSA, but knows
nothing of what his own SIGINT service is doing. You're spying on us,
you're spying on your neighbors, they're spying on you. Ho hum.

And you're still way off base on two counts: why the USG would be
interested in the private communications of your average non-terrorist
in Europe, and also the math. SIGINT processing is labor-intensive
undertaking. It is not possible to monitor large quantities of voice
communications even in English, much less another language. NSA would
need to employ the entire human population to monitor all of the
targets ascribed to it by wildly wrong press reporting.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#1840

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2013-10-30 07:28 +1100
Message-ID<bdak4sFjfp3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1820
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote 
> Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote
 
>> But sure, the NSA aims only at terrorists. 
 
> No one ever claimed that.
 
>> Ah, could you please remind me in exactly which terrorist plots the
>> German chancellor, the French prime minister and ~30 high ranking
>> politicians from around the world were involved? Momentarily slipped
>> my memory..
 
> The NSA's mission is to collect signals intelligence from both 
> allies, enemies, potential enemies, and neutral parties in order 
> to further the political and military interests of the United States.  

But there has been an agreement that none of Australia, the 
US, the UK, New Zealand and Canada will spy on each other. 

> (Those are my words, not the official mission statement, 
> but I'm quite accurate in my assessment.)  

No you aren't with those countrys I listed. 

> Knowing what an ally would do in a given situation 
> helps the US determine what it would do.  

Doesn't explain why it has agreed not to spy on those countrys. 

> If we knew, for instance, that Germany would not back us up if 
> we took a given action might cause us not to take that action; 

In fact the shrub ordered Schroeder's phones be tapped
when he refused to get involved in the invasion of Iraq. 

> however, if we knew that Germany would back 
> us up, it would help decide to take that action.

Even sillier. 
 
>> So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-(
 
> We never said that.

Obama has in fact said just that.  

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#1849

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2013-10-29 15:54 -0700
Message-ID<291020131554370042%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#1840
In article <bdak4sFjfp3U1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> > The NSA's mission is to collect signals intelligence from both 
> > allies, enemies, potential enemies, and neutral parties in order 
> > to further the political and military interests of the United States.  
> 
> But there has been an agreement that none of Australia, the 
> US, the UK, New Zealand and Canada will spy on each other. 

Citation please?

> >> So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-(
>  
> > We never said that.
> 
> Obama has in fact said just that.

Citation please?

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#1853

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2013-10-30 12:28 +1100
Message-ID<bdb5mnFmvmfU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1849
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> The NSA's mission is to collect signals intelligence from both
>>> allies, enemies, potential enemies, and neutral parties in order
>>> to further the political and military interests of the United States.

>> But there has been an agreement that none of Australia, the
>> US, the UK, New Zealand and Canada will spy on each other.

> Citation please?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-30/australia-acting-as-listening-post-for-us-spy-agencies/5056534
Just under the second heading.

>>>> So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-(

>>> We never said that.

>> Obama has in fact said just that.

> Citation please?

That's what he said when the shit first hit the fan with the revelations
about what the NSA does keeping track of who calls who. I didn't
bother to keep the cite and it isnt as easy to find as the first one which
has a unique keyword that makes that one trivially easy to find. 

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#1859

FromMichelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date2013-10-29 23:08 -0700
Message-ID<291020132308398421%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to#1853
In article <bdb5mnFmvmfU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> But there has been an agreement that none of Australia, the
> >> US, the UK, New Zealand and Canada will spy on each other.
> 
> > Citation please?
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement 

All that says is "Unlike the "second party" members (that is, the Five
Eyes themselves), "third party" partners are not automatically exempt
from intelligence targeting," with no reference to support it.

> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-30/australia-acting-as-listening-post-
> for-us-spy-agencies/5056534
> Just under the second heading.

And that says "Mr Ball says Australia, the US, the UK, New Zealand and
Canada have a long-standing "five eyes" agreement to not spy on each
other, and he believes it has not been breached," again with nothing to
support it.  Mr. Ball may have been mistaken.

> >>>> So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-(
> 
> >>> We never said that.
> 
> >> Obama has in fact said just that.
> 
> > Citation please?
> 
> That's what he said when the shit first hit the fan with the
> revelations about what the NSA does keeping track of who calls who. I
> didn't bother to keep the cite and it isnt as easy to find as the
> first one which has a unique keyword that makes that one trivially
> easy to find. 

In other words, it's only your memory, which may be faulty.

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#1877

From"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date2013-10-31 03:15 +1100
Message-ID<bdcpmeF2ovrU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#1859
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> But there has been an agreement that none of Australia, the
>>>> US, the UK, New Zealand and Canada will spy on each other.

>>> Citation please?

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement

> All that says is "Unlike the "second party" members
> (that is, the Five Eyes themselves), "third party" partners
> are not automatically exempt from intelligence targeting,"

That clearly states that they don't spy on each other.

> with no reference to support it.

Hardly surprising that the actual agreement
isn't actually online for all to read.

Not sure if wikileaks has it tho.

>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-30/australia-acting-as-listening-post-
>> for-us-spy-agencies/5056534
>> Just under the second heading.

> And that says "Mr Ball says Australia, the US, the UK, New Zealand
> and Canada have a long-standing "five eyes" agreement to not
> spy on each other, and he believes it has not been breached,"
> again with nothing to support it.

Hardly surprising that the actual agreement
isn't actually online for all to read.

Not sure if wikileaks has it tho.

> Mr. Ball may have been mistaken.

Someone always points out when he is.
That hasn't happened with that.

>>>>>> So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-(

>>>>> We never said that.

>>>> Obama has in fact said just that.

>>> Citation please?

>> That's what he said when the shit first hit the fan with the
>> revelations about what the NSA does keeping track of who
>> calls who. I didn't bother to keep the cite and it isnt as easy
>> to find as the first one which has a unique keyword that
>> makes that one trivially easy to find.

> In other words, it's only your memory,

And yours isn't ?

> which may be faulty.

Yours clearly is if it wasn't a deliberate bare faced lie of yours. 

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