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Newsreaders

Started byMichelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org>
First post2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
Last post2015-03-29 13:03 +1300
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  Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
    Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 11:56 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-16 15:20 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 13:01 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 12:36 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 14:41 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 19:58 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 15:05 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 20:42 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-28 10:23 +1100
          Thoth (not) breaking long URL (was: Newsreaders) "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-10-28 09:37 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 19:57 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:21 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 19:24 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-27 23:42 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 20:09 -0400
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 00:16 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:11 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 13:54 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 09:01 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:09 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:26 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:04 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 02:11 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 22:01 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:40 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:26 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:17 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:16 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-10-28 14:20 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 13:39 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:43 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-11-15 15:29 +0100
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-11-15 09:26 -0600
    Re: Newsreaders Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-27 20:30 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 11:02 -0400
    Re: Newsreaders Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 00:48 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
    Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:21 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:31 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 08:57 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:25 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:22 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 13:29 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 01:43 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:04 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 18:25 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 01:33 -0400
                    Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:37 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 19:25 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 07:25 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 04:07 -0400
                            Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 09:00 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:24 +1300
                                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:26 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 21:35 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 16:28 -0700
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 13:33 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 21:43 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:39 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 09:31 +1300
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 19:36 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:42 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:29 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 16:44 -0400
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 13:15 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-10-29 10:10 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-29 08:36 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:25 +1300
      Re: Newsreaders spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 20:31 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-08 00:49 +0200
      Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-07 18:42 -0600
        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:05 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2014-02-08 16:12 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 15:21 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-02-08 20:01 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-02-08 18:09 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 21:48 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 20:51 -0600
              Re: Newsreaders Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2014-02-28 12:19 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 01:40 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-08 21:50 -0600
        Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-09 19:26 +0200
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 17:31 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-09 23:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-09 23:44 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2014-02-10 02:01 +0100
            Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-10 10:00 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 13:27 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2014-02-11 09:51 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-11 18:55 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-11 23:28 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2014-02-09 19:40 -0600
            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-10 04:34 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-02-08 02:04 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-02-08 03:33 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 09:50 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Matti Haveri <nospam@here.invalid> - 2014-02-09 16:19 +0200
      Re: Newsreaders android <here@there.was> - 2014-02-09 09:53 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-27 04:07 -0700
      Re: Newsreaders spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-03-27 14:45 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-27 14:18 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-29 11:44 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 22:50 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-29 13:03 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 00:30 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-03-27 14:27 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-27 13:10 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-27 20:14 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-28 01:26 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 14:30 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-29 01:41 -0700
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 13:22 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <hshubs@foxtrot.local> - 2015-03-29 19:43 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-03-28 06:29 -0400
              Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-03-28 14:47 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 20:36 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-28 21:27 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-28 19:22 -0400
                    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 23:47 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-29 01:26 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 14:51 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-03-28 14:00 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 20:30 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-28 17:08 -0400
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 21:13 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-28 19:10 -0400
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 23:46 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-29 01:45 -0700
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 13:23 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-28 17:09 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 21:18 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-28 21:29 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-03-28 20:15 -0400
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 00:30 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-03-28 21:28 -0400
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 13:21 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 13:15 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-03-29 16:37 -0400
                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 20:44 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2015-03-29 17:58 -0400
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-30 00:07 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-28 21:26 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 22:17 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-29 01:25 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 12:53 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-29 16:46 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 17:32 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-27 22:33 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-28 01:33 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2015-03-27 22:16 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-28 05:10 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2015-03-27 21:03 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-03-28 05:11 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-28 06:12 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2015-03-28 10:32 -0700
              Re: Newsreaders DaveC <not@home.cow> - 2015-03-28 12:53 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-28 21:18 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 22:16 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-29 01:27 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 12:56 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-29 16:49 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 17:33 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-29 18:25 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-29 02:00 -0700
                    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 13:30 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <hshubs@foxtrot.local> - 2015-03-29 19:32 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 20:43 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-30 03:16 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-30 15:22 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-29 14:40 -0700
                          Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-30 03:23 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-30 00:02 -0400
                            Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-29 21:38 -0700
                              Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-30 07:43 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-03-30 08:30 -0700
                                  Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-30 11:36 -0400
                                  Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-30 20:18 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-30 16:34 -0400
                                      Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-04-01 07:20 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-01 20:46 +1300
                                          Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-01 09:37 -0700
                                        Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-01 04:22 -0400
                                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-30 21:22 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-31 13:53 +1300
                                      Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-31 01:02 +0000
                                      Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-04-01 07:23 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-30 21:49 -0400
                                      Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-04-01 07:24 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-01 09:39 -0700
                                          Re: Newsreaders spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-04-20 20:46 +0200
                                            Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-20 14:52 -0400
                                            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-20 18:53 +0000
                                              Re: Newsreaders dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-21 10:45 +1200
                                                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 02:08 +0000
                                                  Re: Newsreaders dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-21 15:07 +1200
                                                    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-21 04:22 +0000
                                                  Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-04-21 11:58 -0500
                                                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-21 13:05 -0400
                                                      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-21 23:49 +0000
                                                        Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-21 20:53 -0400
                                                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-22 03:30 +0000
                                                      Re: Newsreaders spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2015-04-22 12:03 +0200
                                                      Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-04-22 17:32 -0500
                                                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-23 18:08 +1200
                                            Re: Newsreaders Gordon Sande <Gordon.Sande@gmail.com> - 2015-04-20 17:05 -0300
                                            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-21 05:41 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-03-30 23:13 -0500
                                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-30 15:32 +0000
                                  Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-30 20:20 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-30 20:38 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-03-30 23:08 -0500
                            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-30 10:01 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-30 20:24 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-03-30 14:54 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-30 15:27 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-30 21:43 -0400
                            Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-03-30 21:45 -0400
                              Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2015-03-30 19:46 -0700
                                Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-03-31 14:55 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-04-01 07:30 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-29 16:43 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <hshubs@foxtrot.local> - 2015-03-29 19:36 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-03-29 23:36 -0500
                          Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-30 07:39 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-30 15:35 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-30 20:14 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-30 20:35 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-03-30 22:59 -0500
                                  Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-04-01 07:18 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-01 04:22 -0400
                                      Re: Newsreaders TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2015-04-01 08:11 -0500
                                      Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-04-01 23:59 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-04-02 02:14 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-04-01 09:05 -0500
                                      Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-04-01 16:51 +0000
                                        Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-01 17:51 +0000
                                          Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-04-02 00:03 +0000
                                    Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-04-01 17:06 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-03-30 22:56 -0500
                          Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-03-30 15:17 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-03-30 11:22 -0400
                            Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-30 15:38 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-03-30 20:27 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-30 20:39 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-04-01 07:26 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-03-30 21:17 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2015-03-30 23:04 -0500
                                Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-04-01 07:27 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Doc O'Leary  <droleary@2usenet2014.subsume.com> - 2015-03-31 14:28 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-03-31 12:41 -0400
                                Re: Newsreaders Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2015-04-01 07:28 +0000
                                Re: Newsreaders tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-04-01 23:47 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-30 15:33 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-03-28 01:49 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-29 11:44 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders DaveC <not@home.cow> - 2015-03-28 09:03 -0700
      Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-03-29 11:44 +1300
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          Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-28 23:06 +0000
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                Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-03-29 12:48 +0000
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#1769

FromLloyd <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2013-10-28 08:11 -0500
Message-ID<281020130811320868%lloydp21@live.com>
In reply to#1751
In article <271020132009474840%nospam.m-m@ny.more>, M-M
<nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote:

> In article <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
> > Just trying the Thoth trial. I can't find a setting to tell Thoth to
> > download new postings from the server every x minutes. Where do I set
> > that? I think I found everything else I need, but only time will tell.
> 
> Like MT-NW, cmd-Y will fetch new articles from your group list. 
> 
> m-m

I asked Brian about that very thing.  He said timed gathering of new
posts has never been in Thoth though MTNW did offer it.  From his
answer, it doesn't appear that it ever will.

Also asked him about making Thoth position the cursor on replies to the
end of the original post, again it isn't there and won't be.  His
position is that posts should be trimmed and responded to inline with
the various comments in the original posting.  Personally I don't agree
with that as default, but that's the way it is.

-- 
Lloyd

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#1776

FromTim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date2013-10-28 13:54 +0000
Message-ID<281020131354096779%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to#1769
In article <281020130811320868%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> I asked Brian about that very thing.  He said timed gathering of new
> posts has never been in Thoth though MTNW did offer it.  From his
> answer, it doesn't appear that it ever will.

Righto, thanks. Pity, but there it is. And anyway Thoth does some
things better than MT-NW.

> Also asked him about making Thoth position the cursor on replies to the
> end of the original post, again it isn't there and won't be.  His
> position is that posts should be trimmed and responded to inline with
> the various comments in the original posting.  Personally I don't agree
> with that as default, but that's the way it is.

Well it'd be nice to have it as an option. Personally I also think
stuff should be trimmed to what people are replying to. Nothing more
irritating than to have a long post with a single one-liner at the end.

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#1777

FromLloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2013-10-28 09:01 -0500
Message-ID<l4lqmt$nmb$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1776
On 2013-10-28 13:54:09 +0000, Tim Streater said:

> In article <281020130811320868%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd
> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> 
>> I asked Brian about that very thing.  He said timed gathering of new
>> posts has never been in Thoth though MTNW did offer it.  From his
>> answer, it doesn't appear that it ever will.
> 
> Righto, thanks. Pity, but there it is. And anyway Thoth does some
> things better than MT-NW.

Very true.  I remember back in the day, that I was looking for a good 
usenet client.  Looked at MTNW and Thoth among many, decided Thoth was 
better even though not free.

Somewhere in OSX upgrades, the version of Thoth I had wouldn't work and 
I was a little irritated for whatever reason at the time, and switched 
to MTNW.

> 
>> Also asked him about making Thoth position the cursor on replies to the
>> end of the original post, again it isn't there and won't be.  His
>> position is that posts should be trimmed and responded to inline with
>> the various comments in the original posting.  Personally I don't agree
>> with that as default, but that's the way it is.
> 
> Well it'd be nice to have it as an option. Personally I also think
> stuff should be trimmed to what people are replying to. Nothing more
> irritating than to have a long post with a single one-liner at the end.

I agree, it would be a nice option to have.  With small messages, I 
generally just post at the bottom and that seems the majority.  For 
larger ones, I usually (but not always) snip and reply inline.

-- 
Lloyd

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#1795

FromYour Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
Date2013-10-29 09:09 +1300
Message-ID<291020130909161877%YourName@YourISP.com>
In reply to#1777
In article <l4lqmt$nmb$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd  E Parsons
<lloydp21@live.com> wrote:

> On 2013-10-28 13:54:09 +0000, Tim Streater said:
> 
> > In article <281020130811320868%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd
> > <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> I asked Brian about that very thing.  He said timed gathering of new
> >> posts has never been in Thoth though MTNW did offer it.  From his
> >> answer, it doesn't appear that it ever will.
> > 
> > Righto, thanks. Pity, but there it is. And anyway Thoth does some
> > things better than MT-NW.
> 
> Very true.  I remember back in the day, that I was looking for a good 
> usenet client.  Looked at MTNW and Thoth among many, decided Thoth was 
> better even though not free.
> 
> Somewhere in OSX upgrades, the version of Thoth I had wouldn't work and 
> I was a little irritated for whatever reason at the time, and switched 
> to MTNW.
> 
> > 
> >> Also asked him about making Thoth position the cursor on replies to the
> >> end of the original post, again it isn't there and won't be.  His
> >> position is that posts should be trimmed and responded to inline with
> >> the various comments in the original posting.  Personally I don't agree
> >> with that as default, but that's the way it is.
> > 
> > Well it'd be nice to have it as an option. Personally I also think
> > stuff should be trimmed to what people are replying to. Nothing more
> > irritating than to have a long post with a single one-liner at the end.
> 
> I agree, it would be a nice option to have.  With small messages, I 
> generally just post at the bottom and that seems the majority.  For 
> larger ones, I usually (but not always) snip and reply inline.

In Thoth you can select a piece of text and then use the reply function
and your new message only quotes the selected text.

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#1797

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
Message-ID<l4mibf$h8n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1795
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> 
> In Thoth you can select a piece of text and then use the reply function
> and your new message only quotes the selected text.

In other words, like any decent e-mail program?
-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#1758

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-10-28 01:26 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6rf9a.p2q.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#1750
In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net> 
  Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?

Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
he could steal from.


-- 
According to the philosopher Ly Tin Weedle, chaos is found in greatest
abundance wherever order is being sought. It always defeats order,
because it is better organized.

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#1760

FromLloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2013-10-27 21:04 -0500
Message-ID<l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1758
On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
>   Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
> 
> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
> he could steal from.

Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.
-- 
Lloyd

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#1761

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-10-28 02:11 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6rhud.rkg.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#1760
In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me> 
  Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:

>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
>>   Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
>> 
>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
>> he could steal from.

> Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.

I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he
stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it?

He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different
issue.

-- 
"Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to
those of us who do." - Isaac Asimov

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#1764

FromLloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2013-10-27 22:01 -0500
Message-ID<l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1761
On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me>
>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:
> 
>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
>>> 
>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
>>> he could steal from.
> 
>> Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.
> 
> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he
> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it?

The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here.  Do 
we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to 
take all the shots again?

I don't think so.

> 
> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different
> issue.

True, it is a different issue.  But then who actually gives a damn 
about the personality or lack of, of the developer?

-- 
Lloyd

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#1765

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-10-28 03:40 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6rn53.su3.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#1764
In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> 
  Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said:

>> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me>
>>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:
>> 
>>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
>>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
>>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
>>>> 
>>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
>>>> he could steal from.
>> 
>>> Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.
>> 
>> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he
>> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it?

> The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here.  Do 
> we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to 
> take all the shots again?

> I don't think so.

>> 
>> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different
>> issue.

> True, it is a different issue.  But then who actually gives a damn 
> about the personality or lack of, of the developer?

When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the
support one might get, it matters quite a lot.

When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to
deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot.

The fact of the matter is that I've never used Thoth, but I am well
aware of it, and of Brian and of the constant stream of shit that has
issued from him over the last about 15 years. Because of this, when
uniformed people mention they are planning on using Thoth (or worse,
pay for it) I am quick to dissuade them as much as I possibly can.

-- 
a vital ingredient of success is not knowing that what you're attempting
can't be done. A person ignorant of the possibility of failure can be a
half-brick in the path of the bicycle of history.

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#1766

Fromjamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date2013-10-28 17:26 +1300
Message-ID<1lbgo7j.5ek8cfhnma19N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to#1765
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> 
>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said:
> 
> >> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me>
> >>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:
> >> 
> >>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
> >>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
> >>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
> >>>> he could steal from.
> >> 
> >>> Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.
> >> 
> >> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he
> >> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it?
> 
> > The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here.  Do
> > we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to
> > take all the shots again?
> 
> > I don't think so.
> 
> >> 
> >> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different
> >> issue.
> 
> > True, it is a different issue.  But then who actually gives a damn 
> > about the personality or lack of, of the developer?
> 
> When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the
> support one might get, it matters quite a lot.
> 
> When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to
> deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot.
> 
> The fact of the matter is that I've never used Thoth, but I am well
> aware of it, and of Brian and of the constant stream of shit that has
> issued from him over the last about 15 years. Because of this, when
> uniformed people mention they are planning on using Thoth (or worse,
> pay for it) I am quick to dissuade them as much as I possibly can.

Brian is a flake, that much is for sure. I don't like paying for
shareware that might suddenly end up unsupported because the dev has a
tantrum. Regardless Thoth isn't a bad client - in fact it's quite a good
one, and in the final analysis has easily been worth the price for
anyone who paid. It just comes from a bad developer who does himself no
favours.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#1771

FromLloyd <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2013-10-28 08:17 -0500
Message-ID<281020130817584031%lloydp21@live.com>
In reply to#1766
In article <1lbgo7j.5ek8cfhnma19N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie
Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> > In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> 
> >   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > > On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said:
> > 
> > >> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me>
> > >>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > >>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:
> > >> 
> > >>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
> > >>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> > >>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly
> > >>>>> (in,
> > >>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
> > >>>> he could steal from.
> > >> 
> > >>> Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.
> > >> 
> > >> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he
> > >> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it?
> > 
> > > The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here.  Do
> > > we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to
> > > take all the shots again?
> > 
> > > I don't think so.
> > 
> > >> 
> > >> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different
> > >> issue.
> > 
> > > True, it is a different issue.  But then who actually gives a damn 
> > > about the personality or lack of, of the developer?
> > 
> > When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the
> > support one might get, it matters quite a lot.
> > 
> > When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to
> > deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot.
> > 
> > The fact of the matter is that I've never used Thoth, but I am well
> > aware of it, and of Brian and of the constant stream of shit that has
> > issued from him over the last about 15 years. Because of this, when
> > uniformed people mention they are planning on using Thoth (or worse,
> > pay for it) I am quick to dissuade them as much as I possibly can.
> 
> Brian is a flake, that much is for sure. I don't like paying for
> shareware that might suddenly end up unsupported because the dev has a
> tantrum. Regardless Thoth isn't a bad client - in fact it's quite a good
> one, and in the final analysis has easily been worth the price for
> anyone who paid. It just comes from a bad developer who does himself no
> favours.

And I would fully agree with that assessment!  It is a great usenet
client produced by a guy that has managed to piss off a lot of people
along the way!

-- 
Lloyd

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#1770

FromLloyd <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2013-10-28 08:16 -0500
Message-ID<281020130816560304%lloydp21@live.com>
In reply to#1765
In article <slrnl6rn53.su3.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> 
>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said:
> 
> >> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me>
> >>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> >>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:
> >> 
> >>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
> >>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
> >>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
> >>>> he could steal from.
> >> 
> >>> Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.
> >> 
> >> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he
> >> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it?
> 
> > The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here.  Do 
> > we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to 
> > take all the shots again?
> 
> > I don't think so.
> 
> >> 
> >> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different
> >> issue.
> 
> > True, it is a different issue.  But then who actually gives a damn 
> > about the personality or lack of, of the developer?
> 
> When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the
> support one might get, it matters quite a lot.
> 
But going way back, I never had an issue with Brian's handling of
support.  I got Thoth when I got the original OSX I think, or
thereabouts anyway.  When I asked questions about it, I always got
quick responses.

And just this morning I had a couple questions and got a response
within minutes.

I'd say his support is fine.

> When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to
> deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot.
>
Yeah, I remember that.  Didn't like it then, but sure did like when he
finally did redo it.

> The fact of the matter is that I've never used Thoth, but I am well
> aware of it, and of Brian and of the constant stream of shit that has
> issued from him over the last about 15 years. Because of this, when
> uniformed people mention they are planning on using Thoth (or worse,
> pay for it) I am quick to dissuade them as much as I possibly can.

Since you've never used it, nor asked him for support, you are basing
your opinion on things read on the internet concerning it.  And of
course we all know 'if you read it on the internet, it is true'.   :)

The relevant fact is that Brian for all his faults and foibles, has
produced a superb usenet client for OSX.

-- 
Lloyd

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#1772

From"J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid>
Date2013-10-28 14:20 +0100
Message-ID<281020131420074327%Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid>
In reply to#1770
In article (Dans l'article) <281020130816560304%lloydp21@live.com>,
Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> wrote (écrivait) :

> But going way back, I never had an issue with Brian's handling of
> support.  I got Thoth when I got the original OSX I think, or
> thereabouts anyway.  When I asked questions about it, I always got
> quick responses.

Me 2!

-- 
Jean-Pierre Kuypers

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#1774

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-10-28 13:39 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6sq7k.tjm.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#1770
In message <281020130816560304%lloydp21@live.com> 
  Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnl6rn53.su3.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> 
>>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> > On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said:
>> 
>> >> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me>
>> >>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
>> >>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:
>> >> 
>> >>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
>> >>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>> >>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in,
>> >>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
>> >>>> he could steal from.
>> >> 
>> >>> Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.
>> >> 
>> >> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he
>> >> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it?
>> 
>> > The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here.  Do 
>> > we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to 
>> > take all the shots again?
>> 
>> > I don't think so.
>> 
>> >> 
>> >> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different
>> >> issue.
>> 
>> > True, it is a different issue.  But then who actually gives a damn 
>> > about the personality or lack of, of the developer?
>> 
>> When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the
>> support one might get, it matters quite a lot.
>> 
> But going way back, I never had an issue with Brian's handling of
> support.  I got Thoth when I got the original OSX I think, or
> thereabouts anyway.  When I asked questions about it, I always got
> quick responses.

> And just this morning I had a couple questions and got a response
> within minutes.

> I'd say his support is fine.

>> When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to
>> deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot.
>>
> Yeah, I remember that.  Didn't like it then, but sure did like when he
> finally did redo it.

The 2.0 version that's been on the mythical "coming soon" drawing table
has been there for close to a decade (2005, IIRC).

>> The fact of the matter is that I've never used Thoth, but I am well
>> aware of it, and of Brian and of the constant stream of shit that has
>> issued from him over the last about 15 years. Because of this, when
>> uniformed people mention they are planning on using Thoth (or worse,
>> pay for it) I am quick to dissuade them as much as I possibly can.

> Since you've never used it, nor asked him for support, you are basing
> your opinion on things read on the internet concerning it.

Yes, but they were things said *by* the developer.

> The relevant fact is that Brian for all his faults and foibles, has
> produced a superb usenet client for OSX.

Well, someone did, and he built on their code.

-- 
Clarke's Law: Sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from
magic

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#1775

FromLloyd <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2013-10-28 08:43 -0500
Message-ID<281020130843054408%lloydp21@live.com>
In reply to#1774
In article <slrnl6sq7k.tjm.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <281020130816560304%lloydp21@live.com> 
>   Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> > In article <slrnl6rn53.su3.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
> > <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> >> In message <l4kk25$uj3$1@dont-email.me> 
> >>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> >> > On 2013-10-28 02:11:25 +0000, Lewis said:
> >> 
> >> >> In message <l4kgnt$g8l$1@dont-email.me>
> >> >>   Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote:
> >> >>> On 2013-10-28 01:26:02 +0000, Lewis said:
> >> >> 
> >> >>>> In message <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>
> >> >>>> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >> >>>>> Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly
> >> >>>>> (in,
> >> >>>>> say, Pages) and issue a PDF?
> >> >>>> 
> >> >>>> Because he wasn't able to find someone else who'd already done it that
> >> >>>> he could steal from.
> >> >> 
> >> >>> Enough of that crap!  We went through this whole thing years ago.
> >> >> 
> >> >> I don't understand you're point. Does it stop being relevant that he
> >> >> stole code and has spend 15 years lying about it?
> >> 
> >> > The point was made years ago and caused lots of vitriol right here.  Do 
> >> > we need another chance for you and others on your side of that fence to 
> >> > take all the shots again?
> >> 
> >> > I don't think so.
> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> He's also a slimy sniveling asshole, but that's an entirely different
> >> >> issue.
> >> 
> >> > True, it is a different issue.  But then who actually gives a damn 
> >> > about the personality or lack of, of the developer?
> >> 
> >> When the personality disorder determines the pace of upgrades and the
> >> support one might get, it matters quite a lot.
> >> 
> > But going way back, I never had an issue with Brian's handling of
> > support.  I got Thoth when I got the original OSX I think, or
> > thereabouts anyway.  When I asked questions about it, I always got
> > quick responses.
> 
> > And just this morning I had a couple questions and got a response
> > within minutes.
> 
> > I'd say his support is fine.
> 
> >> When the developer spends many years whining and then failing to
> >> deliver promised updates, it matters quite a lot.
> >>
> > Yeah, I remember that.  Didn't like it then, but sure did like when he
> > finally did redo it.
> 
> The 2.0 version that's been on the mythical "coming soon" drawing table
> has been there for close to a decade (2005, IIRC).
> 
So what?

At this point in time, Thoth is one of the very best usenet clients out
there.  Would I like to see a V2.0?  Sure, but as long as this version
works extremely well and is very powerful, I'll manage.

-- 
Lloyd

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#1984

From"J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid>
Date2013-11-15 15:29 +0100
Message-ID<151120131529290956%Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid>
In reply to#1750
In article (Dans l'article)
<271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
<timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote (écrivait) :

> Just trying the Thoth trial. I can't find a setting to tell Thoth to
> download new postings from the server every x minutes. Where do I set
> that? 

The just released 1.9.1 version as now the option:

Added to the Newsreading topic of Preferences the ability to
automatically check for new articles every n minutes in open subscribed
group list windows.

-- 
Jean-Pierre Kuypers

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#1985

FromLloyd <lloydp21@live.com>
Date2013-11-15 09:26 -0600
Message-ID<151120130926578718%lloydp21@live.com>
In reply to#1984
In article <151120131529290956%Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid>,
J.P. Kuypers <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> wrote:

> In article (Dans l'article)
> <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater
> <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote (écrivait) :
> 
> > Just trying the Thoth trial. I can't find a setting to tell Thoth to
> > download new postings from the server every x minutes. Where do I set
> > that? 
> 
> The just released 1.9.1 version as now the option:
> 
> Added to the Newsreading topic of Preferences the ability to
> automatically check for new articles every n minutes in open subscribed
> group list windows.

Yeah, I've had this version for a little while and it all works just
fine.

-- 
Lloyd

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#1759

FromTed Lee <tmplee@mr.net>
Date2013-10-27 20:30 -0500
Message-ID<l4ken1$503$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1723
On 10/27/13, 11:41 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
> So what is the consensus for a newsreader to replace MTNW on Mavericks?
> Thoth, Unison, Hogwasher, something else?

I use Thunderbird's newsreading capabilities.  I used to use MTNW on my 
PowerBook and don't remember now why I couldn't continue to use it when 
got the MacBook Pro -- oh, I know.  I couldn't keep using Eudora for 
mail so just went with what came with Thunderbird.  And I'm using 
Thunderbird because I had a whole bunch of Windows mail from a variety 
of mail systems that I wanted to keep.  I could convert all of them to 
Thunderbird on the PC, as well as the Eudora mail.  I'm not sure there 
was any easy way (when I needed to do it) to convert the various Windows 
mail formats to Eudora.

Anyway, I'm OK with Thunderbird for newsgroups although I haven't found 
any way to keep track of a message now and then that I wanted to go back 
to, although I haven't played with *all* the ways of marking or tagging 
messages.

Ted

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#1778

FromAV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net>
Date2013-10-28 11:02 -0400
Message-ID<l4luat$gt8$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#1759
On Oct/27/2013 9:3009 PM, Ted Lee wrote:
> On 10/27/13, 11:41 AM, Michelle Steiner wrote:
>> So what is the consensus for a newsreader to replace MTNW on Mavericks?
>> Thoth, Unison, Hogwasher, something else?
>
> ...
>
> Anyway, I'm OK with Thunderbird for newsgroups although I haven't found
> any way to keep track of a message now and then that I wanted to go back
> to, although I haven't played with *all* the ways of marking or tagging
> messages.
>


I mark messages I want to go back to with a star. When I want to go back 
to a starred message, I choose classification by the star column and 
find the desired message among the relatively few in that column. Then I 
restore classification by my default date column.


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