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How do mac users create a blank text file where you want it?

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#29185

From	Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date	2015-04-20 10:15 +0100
Message-ID	<200420151015031391%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to	#29129

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1504200132160.57809@mako.ath.cx>, David
Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

>On Monday, 20 April 2015 06:22 -0000, 
> in article <mh25ug$i5o$30@news.albasani.net>, 
> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>> alpine.OSX.2.20.1504192353040.57809@mako.ath.cx
>
>>> AFAICT, your focusing exclusively on a 7-bit text encoding, ASCII, 
>>> you missed the far more important aspect of the file type, that is 
>>> plain text.  These days, Macs tend to default to UTF-8, as it's an 
>>> 8-bit world, in which we live.  You should think about what kind of 
>>> text file you want to save.
>
>> This is a good point.
>
>> It wasn't stated in the OP, but the intent was to save partial 
>> output from a confidential web-based form (but only the user's text) 
>> to a file which was then saved onto a flash drive which is to be 
>> handed to another person in the morning.
>
>> We wanted the file to be portable, and we couldn't just save the web 
>> page (since we'd have to extensively edit out tons of unnecessary 
>> formatting).
>
>> Normally, in such a situation, the most portable file format is 
>> plain text. As you surmised, we didn't delve further into the type 
>> of encoding other than that.
>
>> What do you think is the most portable format for plain text?
>
>I think you'd be well served, using UTF-8, in a Mac environment and 
>elsewhere.  UTF-8 passed ASCII and ISO-889-1 in use, in 2008, and 
>appears to be continuing to grow.  See 
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8>.

More particularly, ASCII can be considered a subset of UTF-8; the first
128 characters in each are the same.

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 poverty, gentleness and tolerance,  you need a very rich, powerful,
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#29196

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-20 08:00 -0400
Message-ID	<200420150800514569%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#29115

In article <mh25ug$i5o$30@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> We wanted the file to be portable, and we couldn't just save the web page 
> (since we'd have to extensively edit out tons of unnecessary formatting).

rtf is a standard format and portable.

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#29118

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:28 +0000
Message-ID	<mh26b8$i5o$31@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29111

David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote in message
alpine.OSX.2.20.1504192353040.57809@mako.ath.cx

> TextEdit may be the default GUI rich/plain test editor, packaged with
> the OS X, it's still far more powerful than Notepad, packaged with
> Windows.  OS X is not Windows.

I use "vim" on Windows, which, while unintuitive, is far more powerful
than Notepad.

The reason I use vim is historical, since I started with "vi" on Sun OS & 
Solaris, when, in those days, the only editor you could rely upon being 
on all the machines was the default text editor vi.

I'm using "vi" right now to type this missive. With hand memory and a 
good ~/.exrc, nothing is more powerful (IMHO) than vi.

But, if someone were to ask me what *they* should use as a platform-
independent text editor, I wouldn't recommend vi for them. For me, it's 
too late to learn another text editor since none will ever be as powerful 
as vi is with regular expressions.

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#29186

From	Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date	2015-04-20 10:17 +0100
Message-ID	<200420151017048672%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to	#29118

In article <mh26b8$i5o$31@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>alpine.OSX.2.20.1504192353040.57809@mako.ath.cx
>
>> TextEdit may be the default GUI rich/plain test editor, packaged with
>> the OS X, it's still far more powerful than Notepad, packaged with
>> Windows.  OS X is not Windows.
>
>I use "vim" on Windows, which, while unintuitive, is far more powerful
>than Notepad.
>
>The reason I use vim is historical, since I started with "vi" on Sun OS & 
>Solaris, when, in those days, the only editor you could rely upon being 
>on all the machines was the default text editor vi.
>
>I'm using "vi" right now to type this missive. With hand memory and a 
>good ~/.exrc, nothing is more powerful (IMHO) than vi.
>
>But, if someone were to ask me what *they* should use as a platform-
>independent text editor, I wouldn't recommend vi for them. For me, it's 
>too late to learn another text editor since none will ever be as powerful 
>as vi is with regular expressions.

You can use vim under OS X if you really must (in a Terminal window);
it's supplied with the OS.

Personally I use TextWrangler for all my software development.

-- 
"Freedom is sloppy. But since tyranny's the only guaranteed byproduct of
those who insist on a perfect world, freedom will have to do." -- Bigby Wolf

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#29197

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-20 08:00 -0400
Message-ID	<200420150800524613%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#29118

In article <mh26b8$i5o$31@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> I use "vim" on Windows, which, while unintuitive, is far more powerful
> than Notepad.

you can use vim on a mac too.

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#29008

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:30 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1obs$3dm$7@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#28986

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj5qcF5p92U3@mid.individual.net

> And it is. Three steps, in fact, with a rich text editor like TextEdit.
> With a plain text editor such as TextWrangler and so on, it's just two
> steps.

I don't care what default program I use to create the ASCII text file.
This isn't my Macintosh, so I'll use the default ASCII text editor that
comes with the operating system.

If TextEdit creates ASCII text, you'll have to let me know which of 
these options is for ASCII text, because I don't see such an option.
http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png

If there is some other default ASCII text editor on the Macintosh, then
I don't know what it is. I searched for "TextWrangler" using the "Spotlight"
magnifying glass, but TextWrangler does not seem to be installed.

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#29328

From	Alan Baker <email@domain.com>
Date	2015-04-21 18:33 -0700
Message-ID	<mh6tp4$2or$1@news.datemas.de>
In reply to	#29008

On 2015-04-20 02:30:21 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj5qcF5p92U3@mid.individual.net
> 
>> And it is. Three steps, in fact, with a rich text editor like TextEdit.
>> With a plain text editor such as TextWrangler and so on, it's just two
>> steps.
> 
> I don't care what default program I use to create the ASCII text file.
> This isn't my Macintosh, so I'll use the default ASCII text editor that
> comes with the operating system.
> 
> If TextEdit creates ASCII text, you'll have to let me know which of
> these options is for ASCII text, because I don't see such an option.
> http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png

"Make Plain Text".

> 
> If there is some other default ASCII text editor on the Macintosh, then
> I don't know what it is. I searched for "TextWrangler" using the "Spotlight"
> magnifying glass, but TextWrangler does not seem to be installed.

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#29292

From	Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>
Date	2015-04-21 10:24 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmjc9ag.307.howard@foxtrot.local>
In reply to	#28986

On 2015-04-20, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> The reason it takes *you* that many steps (and you still fail) is
> because you insist on doing things like you would do them on Linux or

It works fine if you use it like Linux.  Terminal and "cat" or "touch"
or "vi", or whatever.

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#29298

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-21 13:40 +0000
Message-ID	<cpn2amF5jm9U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29292

On 2015-04-21, Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> wrote:
> On 2015-04-20, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> The reason it takes *you* that many steps (and you still fail) is
>> because you insist on doing things like you would do them on Linux or
>
> It works fine if you use it like Linux.  Terminal and "cat" or "touch"
> or "vi", or whatever.

Not what I meant, and I think you know that. ; )

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#28991

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:11 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1n92$3dm$4@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#28983

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
190420151842061874%michelle@michelle.org

> But that is what the OP wanted to create.

I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.

I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the 
ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose 
and it contains just the text I want to be in it.

It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something 
as simple and mundane as this.

It shouldn't take more than a dozen steps (see the detailed
post), which, in the end, still don't result in an ASCII
text document.

I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way, 
because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).

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#28993

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-19 22:22 -0400
Message-ID	<190420152222191866%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#28991

In article <mh1n92$3dm$4@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something 
> as simple and mundane as this.
> 
> It shouldn't take more than a dozen steps (see the detailed
> post), which, in the end, still don't result in an ASCII
> text document.

it takes 3 steps:
launch app 
paste
save

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#28999

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:30 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1od0$3dm$8@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#28993

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
190420152222191866nospamospam@nospam.invalid

> it takes 3 steps:
> launch app 
> paste
> save

And that saves an ASCII text file?

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#29007

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-19 22:33 -0400
Message-ID	<190420152233070791%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#28999

In article <mh1od0$3dm$8@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> > it takes 3 steps:
> > launch app 
> > paste
> > save
> 
> And that saves an ASCII text file?

if you set the app to text it does.

are you even reading what people write??

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#29015

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:36 +0000
Message-ID	<cpj71bF5p92U9@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29007

On 2015-04-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <mh1od0$3dm$8@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
><ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> > it takes 3 steps:
>> > launch app 
>> > paste
>> > save
>> 
>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
>
> if you set the app to text it does.
>
> are you even reading what people write??

Part of his modus operandi to ignore what he's been told and instead act
as if nobody said it while claiming ____ is impossible on OS X / iOS.

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#29058

From	Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date	2015-04-19 21:20 -0700
Message-ID	<2015041921201688901-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMme.com>
In reply to	#29015

On 2015-04-20 02:36:27 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2015-04-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <mh1od0$3dm$8@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> it takes 3 steps:
>>>> launch app
>>>> paste
>>>> save
>>> 
>>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
>> 
>> if you set the app to text it does.
>> 
>> are you even reading what people write??
> 
> Part of his modus operandi to ignore what he's been told and instead act
> as if nobody said it while claiming ____ is impossible on OS X / iOS.

Why does this guy have the same modus operandi as another character who 
disapproved of the "Apple/Mac" way, and just couldn't figure it out?

That guy also helped little old ladies with their Mac problems, and 
taught his entire family that they should do thing his way, and 
nym-shifted regularly. I suspect "Adam H. Kerman's" bona fides might be 
questionable.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#29062

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 04:24 +0000
Message-ID	<cpjdckF7dq8U8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29058

On 2015-04-20, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2015-04-20 02:36:27 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>
>> On 2015-04-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <mh1od0$3dm$8@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> it takes 3 steps:
>>>>> launch app
>>>>> paste
>>>>> save
>>>> 
>>>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
>>> 
>>> if you set the app to text it does.
>>> 
>>> are you even reading what people write??
>> 
>> Part of his modus operandi to ignore what he's been told and instead act
>> as if nobody said it while claiming ____ is impossible on OS X / iOS.
>
> Why does this guy have the same modus operandi as another character who 
> disapproved of the "Apple/Mac" way, and just couldn't figure it out?
>
> That guy also helped little old ladies with their Mac problems, and 
> taught his entire family that they should do thing his way, and 
> nym-shifted regularly. I suspect "Adam H. Kerman's" bona fides might be 
> questionable.

It's the same idiot. Duh! ; )

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#29084

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-19 21:54 -0700
Message-ID	<190420152154505753%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#29058

In article <2015041921201688901-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMme.com>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> Why does this guy have the same modus operandi as another character who 
> disapproved of the "Apple/Mac" way, and just couldn't figure it out?
> 
> That guy also helped little old ladies with their Mac problems, and 
> taught his entire family that they should do thing his way, and 
> nym-shifted regularly. I suspect "Adam H. Kerman's" bona fides might be 
> questionable.

You just figured that out?

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#29090

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 05:28 +0000
Message-ID	<cpjh4nF8gnvU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29084

On 2015-04-20, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <2015041921201688901-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMme.com>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>> Why does this guy have the same modus operandi as another character who 
>> disapproved of the "Apple/Mac" way, and just couldn't figure it out?
>> 
>> That guy also helped little old ladies with their Mac problems, and 
>> taught his entire family that they should do thing his way, and 
>> nym-shifted regularly. I suspect "Adam H. Kerman's" bona fides might be 
>> questionable.
>
> You just figured that out?

I knew it after reading his initial post. He's fooling nobody.

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#29134

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 18:49 +1200
Message-ID	<1m36wmf.g6ck13tf9cd0N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29015

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-04-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <mh1od0$3dm$8@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
> ><ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > it takes 3 steps:
> >> > launch app 
> >> > paste
> >> > save
> >> 
> >> And that saves an ASCII text file?
> >
> > if you set the app to text it does.
> >
> > are you even reading what people write??
> 
> Part of his modus operandi to ignore what he's been told and instead act
> as if nobody said it while claiming ____ is impossible on OS X / iOS.

A classic case of someone making life hard for himself and blaming
everyone but himself.

-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#29154

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 07:17 +0000
Message-ID	<mh295e$i5o$48@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29134

jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
1m36wmf.g6ck13tf9cd0N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz

> A classic case of someone making life hard for himself and blaming
> everyone but himself.

Let's be clear here.
I am *not* a macintosh expert and never once said or implied that I was.
I was simply helping someone else create a plain text file and populate 
it.

Since I didn't know what the default text editor was on a Macintosh, and 
since none was in the desktop menu, I had figured it would launch if I 
could create an empty plain text file.

Failing at creating an empty plain text file, I then searched for plain 
text files to launch but could only find (IIRC) what turned out to be RTF 
files I think (I don't remember what files I actually copied).

I then struggled a bit with the unintuitive (to me) multi-step method of 
copying a file from one location to where I needed it to be but 
eventually I was able to paste the desired information into a file of the 
desired name in the desired location.

It turned out that to save a *new* file to ASCII versus as the other 
formats required two very different menu sequences.

The problem was that all this is unintuitive to someone who is well 
accustomed to the default text editor on the other two common desktop/
server operating systems.

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