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| Started by | Sandman <mr@sandman.net> |
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| First post | 2013-10-23 13:53 +0200 |
| Last post | 2013-10-25 10:15 +1300 |
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Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 13:53 +0200
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-23 13:36 +0000
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-23 15:09 +0100
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-23 08:46 -0700
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-23 08:46 -0700
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 17:48 +0200
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-23 08:52 -0700
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-24 02:57 +0000
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-24 05:43 +0000
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-24 06:46 +0000
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-24 18:16 +0000
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-25 05:01 +0000
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-25 05:24 +0000
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-23 14:57 +0100
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 17:49 +0200
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydparsons@me.com> - 2013-10-23 11:00 -0500
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-23 19:03 +0100
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Jesse <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2013-10-23 09:38 -0500
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-23 12:30 -0500
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 19:04 +0000
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-23 21:54 -0400
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-23 22:27 -0500
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-23 21:44 -0400
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-23 21:51 -0400
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-24 05:40 +0000
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-24 22:07 -0400
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-24 13:27 -0400
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-24 22:09 -0400
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-24 05:38 +0000
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2013-10-24 15:44 -0400
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-24 14:51 -0500
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-24 22:25 +0100
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-24 21:12 -0400
Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-25 10:15 +1300
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| From | Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-23 21:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l49ul9$tih$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18711 |
On 10-23-2013, 13:30, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
> I kept getting 'expired post' errors off and on and that required a
> close and restart every time.
Hmmm. I have only rarely seen 'expired post', and when I did, it was
always when I tried to open a very old post in a thread that someone had
recently posted in. IOW, a restart would be irrelevant.
--
Wes Groleau
I won't burn your Koran because I don't want you to burn my Bible;
but if you burn my Bible, no one's going to die.
— Robert Rhee
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| From | Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-23 22:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l4a42n$jpn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18732 |
On 2013-10-24 01:54:46 +0000, Wes Groleau said: > On 10-23-2013, 13:30, Lloyd E Parsons wrote: >> I kept getting 'expired post' errors off and on and that required a >> close and restart every time. > > Hmmm. I have only rarely seen 'expired post', and when I did, it was > always when I tried to open a very old post in a thread that someone > had recently posted in. IOW, a restart would be irrelevant. First time I saw it, I didn't give it much credit as a real bug. But when it kept doing it over and over during the day, I had enough. And you're right, a restart SHOULD have been irrelevant, but it was the only way I found to get it to stop doing it temporarily. So I moved on to Unison, which does what it does without buggy operation. And what it does is plenty good enough for me. -- Lloyd
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| From | Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-23 21:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l49u1d$qlq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18693 |
On 10-23-2013, 07:53, Sandman wrote:
> Both lack *severly* in the filtering department, and frankly, I think
> Panic is more likely to respond to user feedback in that area.
What is missing, in your opinion? Thunderbird looks primitive
"out-of-the-box" but it actually allows you to filter on ANY header.
You just have to add the ones that aren't already in the menu.
> Both have an AIO window scheme, where all "views" can be contained
> within one window. Thunderbird handles this much better by having a read
> pane to the right of the list, with Unison only having it below.
I like Thunderbird's thread view.
> Whichever you choose, the question of synchronization comes up. I use
> MT-NW on my work Mac and my laptop. I use dropbox to synchronize the
> .newsrc file which works seemlessly. MTNW also supports storing the
> .newsrc file on a FTP server for sharing.
Start Thunderbird on each machine and set up your profiles. Set one of
them exactly the way you want. The rest can just be defaulted.
Shut down Thunderbird. Move or copy ~Library/Thunderbird to somewhere
in your Dropbox directory and allow it to synchronize.
On each Mac OS or other Unix/Linux/BSD/etc.,
rm -rf ~Library/Thunderbird
ln -s <dropbox/path>/Thunderbird
When Thunderbird launches, it fetches ~Library/Thunderbird/profiles.ini
It doesn't care that there is a symlink in the path.
profles.ini tells it where to go relative to the same folder for
everything else.
I don't know whether there's a way to use the same profiles on Windows.
I don't think you can use it with other newsreaders, as it uses an
SQLite DB instead of the original plain ASCII .newsrc
I've been doing this for years. Downside is the amount of Dropbox
traffic, as changes will be made frequently while you are reading and
posting and filtering and changing settings.
--
Wes Groleau
I won't burn your Koran because I don't want you to burn my Bible;
but if you burn my Bible, no one's going to die.
— Robert Rhee
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| From | Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-23 21:51 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l49ue7$spn$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18729 |
On 10-23-2013, 21:44, (me) wrote:
> What is missing, in your opinion? Thunderbird looks primitive
> "out-of-the-box" but it actually allows you to filter on ANY header. You
> just have to add the ones that aren't already in the menu.
One thing I _WISH_ it could do is kill any _response_ to some specified
troll. It does have a "kill subthread" action in the filters, but then
you miss decent posts when the thread drifts away from troll-bashing to
legitimate content. Then again, I can't afford the time to read even
half of the legit posts, so it's not major.
One other flaw in Thunderbird is that it doesn't properly mark
cross-posted items as read. So you get to read them again and again unless
you kill the thread the next time.
--
Wes Groleau
I won't burn your Koran because I don't want you to burn my Bible;
but if you burn my Bible, no one's going to die.
— Robert Rhee
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| From | Sandman <mr@sandman.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 05:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl6hd0v.4n7.mr@irc.sandman.net> |
| In reply to | #18731 |
In article <l49ue7$spn$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote: > > What is missing, in your opinion? Thunderbird looks primitive > > "out-of-the-box" but it actually allows you to filter on ANY header. You > > just have to add the ones that aren't already in the menu. > > One thing I _WISH_ it could do is kill any _response_ to some specified > troll. Ah, yes that sucks. I have MT-NW (and now slrn) set up to kill responses to known trolls such as Snit. It's just a matter of using regular expressions and the References: header. > One other flaw in Thunderbird is that it doesn't properly mark > cross-posted items as read. So you get to read them again and again unless > you kill the thread the next time. Ouch, yeah that sucks. Both MT-NW and slrn does that nicely. -- Sandman[.net]
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| From | Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 22:07 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l4cjoa$ral$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18751 |
On 10-24-2013, 01:40, Sandman wrote:
> In article <l49ue7$spn$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>
>>> What is missing, in your opinion? Thunderbird looks primitive
>>> "out-of-the-box" but it actually allows you to filter on ANY header. You
>>> just have to add the ones that aren't already in the menu.
>>
>> One thing I _WISH_ it could do is kill any _response_ to some specified
>> troll.
>
> Ah, yes that sucks. I have MT-NW (and now slrn) set up to kill responses to
> known trolls such as Snit. It's just a matter of using regular expressions
> and the References: header.
>
>> One other flaw in Thunderbird is that it doesn't properly mark
>> cross-posted items as read. So you get to read them again and again unless
>> you kill the thread the next time.
>
> Ouch, yeah that sucks. Both MT-NW and slrn does that nicely.
But in spite of both flaws, I still like Thunderbird. I used a couple
of newsreaders before GUIs were invented, so it's not like I can't.
I prefer shell and Terminal for lot of things, but for mail/news,
I'm content to be a WIMP.
And though I can't remember which, I tried a few other GUI newsreaders
and came back to Thunderbird.
--
Wes Groleau
“What you see and hear depends a good deal on where you are standing;
it also depends on what kind of person you are.”
-- C.S.Lewis
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 13:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-78B5A4.13275824102013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #18731 |
In article <l49ue7$spn$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote: > On 10-23-2013, 21:44, (me) wrote: > > What is missing, in your opinion? Thunderbird looks primitive > > "out-of-the-box" but it actually allows you to filter on ANY header. You > > just have to add the ones that aren't already in the menu. > > One thing I _WISH_ it could do is kill any _response_ to some specified > troll. It does have a "kill subthread" action in the filters, but then > you miss decent posts when the thread drifts away from troll-bashing to > legitimate content. Then again, I can't afford the time to read even > half of the legit posts, so it's not major. When was the last time a subthread ever did that? Once it veers onto that tangent, I've never seen it get back to the original topic. This is a feature I've long wished for in MT-NW. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 22:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l4cjrs$ral$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18769 |
On 10-24-2013, 13:27, Barry Margolin wrote: > In article <l49ue7$spn$1@dont-email.me>, > Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote: > >> On 10-23-2013, 21:44, (me) wrote: >>> What is missing, in your opinion? Thunderbird looks primitive >>> "out-of-the-box" but it actually allows you to filter on ANY header. You >>> just have to add the ones that aren't already in the menu. >> >> One thing I _WISH_ it could do is kill any _response_ to some specified >> troll. It does have a "kill subthread" action in the filters, but then >> you miss decent posts when the thread drifts away from troll-bashing to >> legitimate content. Then again, I can't afford the time to read even >> half of the legit posts, so it's not major. > > When was the last time a subthread ever did that? Once it veers onto > that tangent, I've never seen it get back to the original topic. I didn't say it drifts back to the original topic. People bash the troll for a while, but almost all (sub)threads drift--even those that are feeding a troll. -- Wes Groleau Nutrition for Blokes: Re-engineering your diet for life http://www.phlaunt.com/quentin
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| From | Sandman <mr@sandman.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 05:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl6hctf.4n7.mr@irc.sandman.net> |
| In reply to | #18729 |
In article <l49u1d$qlq$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote: > > Both lack *severly* in the filtering department, and frankly, I think > > Panic is more likely to respond to user feedback in that area. > > What is missing, in your opinion? Thunderbird looks primitive > "out-of-the-box" but it actually allows you to filter on ANY header. > You just have to add the ones that aren't already in the menu. Yeah, I know. But even after some really heavy googling, I couldn't get it to set my Message-ID to something that I could filter on, which was a pity. MT-NW also filters on pretty much anything and supports regexp filters as well. I've moved to slrn now which has very good scoring/filtering. > > Whichever you choose, the question of synchronization comes up. I use > > MT-NW on my work Mac and my laptop. I use dropbox to synchronize the > > .newsrc file which works seemlessly. MTNW also supports storing the > > .newsrc file on a FTP server for sharing. > > Start Thunderbird on each machine and set up your profiles. Set one of > them exactly the way you want. The rest can just be defaulted. > > Shut down Thunderbird. Move or copy ~Library/Thunderbird to somewhere > in your Dropbox directory and allow it to synchronize. I'll look into that if I ever get around to trying TB again. > I don't think you can use it with other newsreaders, as it uses an > SQLite DB instead of the original plain ASCII .newsrc > > I've been doing this for years. Downside is the amount of Dropbox > traffic, as changes will be made frequently while you are reading and > posting and filtering and changing settings. Eew, that's a bummer. -- Sandman[.net]
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| From | Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 15:44 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l4btad$rhu$1@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #18693 |
On 10/23/13 7:53 AM, Sandman wrote: > So, being abandoned by the best usenet software ever made, > MT-NewsWatcher, I among many of you are stuck in the question about what > software we should use now... > > I am currently trying out thunderbird, and I think it's a better > candidate than Unison even though Unison does look better, but is a more > rudimentary reader. Thunderbird shares some keyboard settings with MTNW > for instance. I just downloaded Thunderbird in preparation for loosing MTNW but I have run into an odd problem. One of the servers I use is Eternal-September and Thunderbird only finds the eternal-september newsgroups and not the alt groups I was reading. The group list under MTNW is huge. Anybody know why it isn't showing up under Tbird?
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| From | Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 14:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l4btoj$44f$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18772 |
On 2013-10-24 19:44:17 +0000, Robert Peirce said: > On 10/23/13 7:53 AM, Sandman wrote: >> So, being abandoned by the best usenet software ever made, >> MT-NewsWatcher, I among many of you are stuck in the question about what >> software we should use now... >> >> I am currently trying out thunderbird, and I think it's a better >> candidate than Unison even though Unison does look better, but is a more >> rudimentary reader. Thunderbird shares some keyboard settings with MTNW >> for instance. > > I just downloaded Thunderbird in preparation for loosing MTNW but I > have run into an odd problem. One of the servers I use is > Eternal-September and Thunderbird only finds the eternal-september > newsgroups and not the alt groups I was reading. The group list under > MTNW is huge. Anybody know why it isn't showing up under Tbird? Can't tell you about that, but I couldn't get it to work reliably with eternal-september. T-Bird kept expiring new messages quicker than I could read them. -- Lloyd
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| From | snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 22:25 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1lb9nhv.msctnxt19i42N%snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #18772 |
Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote: > On 10/23/13 7:53 AM, Sandman wrote: > > So, being abandoned by the best usenet software ever made, > > MT-NewsWatcher, I among many of you are stuck in the question about what > > software we should use now... > > > > I am currently trying out thunderbird, and I think it's a better > > candidate than Unison even though Unison does look better, but is a more > > rudimentary reader. Thunderbird shares some keyboard settings with MTNW > > for instance. > > I just downloaded Thunderbird in preparation for loosing MTNW but I have > run into an odd problem. One of the servers I use is Eternal-September > and Thunderbird only finds the eternal-september newsgroups and not the > alt groups I was reading. The group list under MTNW is huge. Anybody > know why it isn't showing up under Tbird? You aren't logged into E-S. I assume that you do have a registered account there? Make sure that you have put your authentication credentials into Thunderbird correctly. T'bird is particularly quirky to set up on E-S, there is detailed guidance on the E-S website. -- ^Ï^. Sn!pe <snipe@notforspam.fsnet.co.uk> My pet rock Gordon just is.
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| From | AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-24 21:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l4cgh2$7v7$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #18772 |
On Oct/24/2013 3:4417 PM, Robert Peirce wrote: > On 10/23/13 7:53 AM, Sandman wrote: >> So, being abandoned by the best usenet software ever made, >> MT-NewsWatcher, I among many of you are stuck in the question about what >> software we should use now... >> >> I am currently trying out thunderbird, and I think it's a better >> candidate than Unison even though Unison does look better, but is a more >> rudimentary reader. Thunderbird shares some keyboard settings with MTNW >> for instance. > > I just downloaded Thunderbird in preparation for loosing MTNW but I have > run into an odd problem. One of the servers I use is Eternal-September > and Thunderbird only finds the eternal-september newsgroups and not the > alt groups I was reading. The group list under MTNW is huge. Anybody > know why it isn't showing up under Tbird? > I download newsgroups through Thunderbird from eternal-september for back-up, i. e., for when other sources break down. I find that they take 20-30 seconds longer to download than my prime sources. I attribute that to their server, and there have also been more occasional outages than with other newsgroups sources, but not lately. I don't know of any source that has every newsgroup there is. eternal-september seems better stocked than many. -- ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++ ||Arnold VICTOR, New York City, i. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Arnoldo VIKTORO, Nov-jorkurbo, t. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net> || ||Remove capital letters from e-mail address for correct address/ || || Forigu majusklajn literojn el e-poŝta adreso por ĝusta adreso || ++====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====+====+=====+=====+=====+=====+====++
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-10-25 10:15 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1lbakd4.1u2gmqpch4vkkN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #18693 |
Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote: > So, being abandoned by the best usenet software ever made, > MT-NewsWatcher, I among many of you are stuck in the question about what > software we should use now... > > I am currently trying out thunderbird, and I think it's a better > candidate than Unison even though Unison does look better, but is a more > rudimentary reader. Thunderbird shares some keyboard settings with MTNW > for instance. > > Both lack *severly* in the filtering department, and frankly, I think > Panic is more likely to respond to user feedback in that area. > > Both have an AIO window scheme, where all "views" can be contained > within one window. Thunderbird handles this much better by having a read > pane to the right of the list, with Unison only having it below. > > Whichever you choose, the question of synchronization comes up. I use > MT-NW on my work Mac and my laptop. I use dropbox to synchronize the > .newsrc file which works seemlessly. MTNW also supports storing the > .newsrc file on a FTP server for sharing. > > Neither Unison or Thunderbird have sharing built in, so do anyone know > what files to sync (via dropbox, for example) for either to remain in > sync - I mean syncing filter settings, account settings and group > subscriptions and read status of those groups? > > What is your current plan? To stick with MacSOUP. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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