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  1Password on iMac and iPad pfj@doesn't.exist.com (Peter James) - 2014-03-10 19:12 +0000
    Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-10 15:16 -0400
      Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-03-11 02:02 +0000
        Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-10 22:07 -0400
          Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-03-11 20:12 +0000
            Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2014-03-11 23:52 -0400
        Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-11 17:07 -0400
    Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-10 17:40 -0400
      Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-10 21:52 +0000
        Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-10 18:05 -0400
      Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-03-11 02:04 +0000
        Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad billy@MIX.COM - 2014-03-11 02:36 +0000
        Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-11 17:06 -0400
          Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-03-12 21:18 +0000
            Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-13 00:56 +0000
    Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-10 21:47 +0000
    Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-03-12 17:54 -0700
      Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-13 00:57 +0000
        Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-03-12 20:48 -0700
          Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-03-13 00:39 -0400
          Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-12 22:12 -0700
      Re: 1Password on iMac and iPad Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-03-12 19:41 -0700

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#21465 — 1Password on iMac and iPad

How would you run 1Password on an iMac and iPad?

Would the master password be common between the two apps.

I assume that log in passwords to web sites would be the same, ditto
bank, email and other log ins. 

It's just the initial setting up that bothers me, and I hope the gurus
here can clear up my confusion.

Peter

-- 
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#21466

In article <1lib3us.11c321214cwn6wN%pfj@doesn't.exist.com>, Peter James
<pfj@doesn't.exist.com> wrote:

> How would you run 1Password on an iMac and iPad?

install on each device and then use dropbox or icloud so they can share
the same data. 

> Would the master password be common between the two apps.

yes, it's the same database.

> I assume that log in passwords to web sites would be the same, ditto
> bank, email and other log ins. 

it's the same database so everything is the same.

> It's just the initial setting up that bothers me, and I hope the gurus
> here can clear up my confusion.

it's not that hard to link it and there are instructions on their
website.

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#21478

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 19:16:47 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> 
wrote:

> In article <1lib3us.11c321214cwn6wN%pfj@doesn't.exist.com>, Peter James
> <pfj@doesn't.exist.com> wrote:
> 
> > How would you run 1Password on an iMac and iPad?
> 
> install on each device and then use dropbox or icloud so they can share
> the same data. 
> 
> > Would the master password be common between the two apps.
> 
> yes, it's the same database.

IINM the password is used to encrypt the data, so all users must use
that password to decrypt.

-- 
John Varela

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#21480

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-DR4CTwQxrdjc@localhost>, John Varela
<newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> > > Would the master password be common between the two apps.
> > 
> > yes, it's the same database.
> 
> IINM the password is used to encrypt the data, so all users must use
> that password to decrypt.

why would there be more than one user for your password database?

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#21497

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 02:07:11 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> 
wrote:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-DR4CTwQxrdjc@localhost>, John Varela
> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > > > Would the master password be common between the two apps.
> > > 
> > > yes, it's the same database.
> > 
> > IINM the password is used to encrypt the data, so all users must use
> > that password to decrypt.
> 
> why would there be more than one user for your password database?

My wife shares it.

-- 
John Varela

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#21504

nospam: 
> > why would there be more than one user for your password database?

John Varela:
> My wife shares it.

My wife and I share our 1Password database over five Macs, three iPads,
three iPhones, and a few iPod Touches.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#21500

On 2014.03.10, 22:02 , John Varela wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 19:16:47 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <1lib3us.11c321214cwn6wN%pfj@doesn't.exist.com>, Peter James
>> <pfj@doesn't.exist.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How would you run 1Password on an iMac and iPad?
>>
>> install on each device and then use dropbox or icloud so they can share
>> the same data.
>>
>>> Would the master password be common between the two apps.
>>
>> yes, it's the same database.
>
> IINM the password is used to encrypt the data, so all users must use
> that password to decrypt.

Only one user account per database.

Pedantically, the password is salted (to prevent dictionary/rainbow 
attacks), then used to make a hashed encryption key that is used to 
encrypt the key that encrypts the data.

That way, when you change passwords, only the data encryption key needs 
to be decrypted (old password/salt/key) and then re-encrypted with the 
new. The password data itself doesn't need to be de-crypted and 
re-encrypted.

(Or appropriate variations on the above).

-- 
   Privacy has become an essential personal chore that most
   people are not trained to perform.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

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#21470

On 2014.03.10, 15:12 , Peter James wrote:
> How would you run 1Password on an iMac and iPad?
>
> Would the master password be common between the two apps.
>
> I assume that log in passwords to web sites would be the same, ditto
> bank, email and other log ins.
>
> It's just the initial setting up that bothers me, and I hope the gurus
> here can clear up my confusion.

There are a few nits (some websites don't cooperate perfectly with 1PW). 
  Get familiar with the manual edit.

You use Dropbox or iCloud to sync.  Same master PW.

However, for "key" accounts, I would not use a random pw gen'd by 1PW 
but something I could remember.  Esp. the following accounts:

AppleID
Dropbox
my ISP POP Mail password

Other than that I allow 1 PW to choose the passwords for me (15 chars or 
more).  Some sites only allow 8 - 12 chars, however.

-- 
   Privacy has become an essential personal chore that most
   people are not trained to perform.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

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#21472

In message <oZWdneTPV4akrIPOnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com> 
  Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2014.03.10, 15:12 , Peter James wrote:
>> How would you run 1Password on an iMac and iPad?
>>
>> Would the master password be common between the two apps.
>>
>> I assume that log in passwords to web sites would be the same, ditto
>> bank, email and other log ins.
>>
>> It's just the initial setting up that bothers me, and I hope the gurus
>> here can clear up my confusion.

> There are a few nits (some websites don't cooperate perfectly with 1PW). 
>   Get familiar with the manual edit.

> You use Dropbox or iCloud to sync.  Same master PW.

> However, for "key" accounts, I would not use a random pw gen'd by 1PW 
> but something I could remember.  Esp. the following accounts:

> AppleID
> Dropbox

Yes on these two.

> my ISP POP Mail password

Why? I never enter my mail passwords. That's one thing that Apple has
been very good about syncing via keychain sync. (I'll ignore the (spit)
POP reference)

> Other than that I allow 1 PW to choose the passwords for me (15 chars or 
> more).  Some sites only allow 8 - 12 chars, however.

I don't register at a site that doesn't allow 16 characters at a
minimum, and I closed one bank account over password length.

Banks are funny, they set a low password strength (8 characters maximum,
alpha numerics and four or five special characters) and then tell me
that I am responsible for any fraud with my password.

"Please close my accounts and give me my money."

Problem solved.

-- 
'They've given us the answers,' he [Carrot] said. 'Perhaps we can find
out what the questions should have been.' --Feet of Clay

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#21473

On 2014.03.10, 17:52 , Lewis wrote:
> In message <oZWdneTPV4akrIPOnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@giganews.com>
>    Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2014.03.10, 15:12 , Peter James wrote:
>>> How would you run 1Password on an iMac and iPad?
>>>
>>> Would the master password be common between the two apps.
>>>
>>> I assume that log in passwords to web sites would be the same, ditto
>>> bank, email and other log ins.
>>>
>>> It's just the initial setting up that bothers me, and I hope the gurus
>>> here can clear up my confusion.
>
>> There are a few nits (some websites don't cooperate perfectly with 1PW).
>>    Get familiar with the manual edit.
>
>> You use Dropbox or iCloud to sync.  Same master PW.
>
>> However, for "key" accounts, I would not use a random pw gen'd by 1PW
>> but something I could remember.  Esp. the following accounts:
>
>> AppleID
>> Dropbox
>
> Yes on these two.
>
>> my ISP POP Mail password
>
> Why? I never enter my mail passwords. That's one thing that Apple has
> been very good about syncing via keychain sync. (I'll ignore the (spit)
> POP reference)

I'll rescind that.  (I recently  had a mix up between my ISP user 
account and e-mail account passwords, resolved, and no issue wrt 1PW).

POP?  For my personal mail it's fine and has been for nearly 20 years on 
the same account.

I've used IMAP for my gmail and it's a mess with Apple Mail - each 
"account" ends up with 2 folders, messages that were read are marked 
unread, and so on.  Back to POP.

>> Other than that I allow 1 PW to choose the passwords for me (15 chars or
>> more).  Some sites only allow 8 - 12 chars, however.
>
> I don't register at a site that doesn't allow 16 characters at a
> minimum, and I closed one bank account over password length.
>
> Banks are funny, they set a low password strength (8 characters maximum,
> alpha numerics and four or five special characters) and then tell me
> that I am responsible for any fraud with my password.
>
> "Please close my accounts and give me my money."
>
> Problem solved.

Not practical in my case.  Too much 'rooted' at my primary bank 
(mortgage, RSP's, various accounts, trusts).

That bank does have a good challenge/response system meaning hackers 
could not bang away BFing the password.

-- 
   Privacy has become an essential personal chore that most
   people are not trained to perform.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

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#21479

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:40:09 UTC, Alan Browne 
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2014.03.10, 15:12 , Peter James wrote:
> > How would you run 1Password on an iMac and iPad?
> >
> > Would the master password be common between the two apps.
> >
> > I assume that log in passwords to web sites would be the same, ditto
> > bank, email and other log ins.
> >
> > It's just the initial setting up that bothers me, and I hope the gurus
> > here can clear up my confusion.
> 
> There are a few nits (some websites don't cooperate perfectly with 1PW). 

In particular, Apple web sites.


>   Get familiar with the manual edit.
> 
> You use Dropbox or iCloud to sync.  Same master PW.
> 
> However, for "key" accounts, I would not use a random pw gen'd by 1PW 
> but something I could remember.  Esp. the following accounts:
> 
> AppleID
> Dropbox
> my ISP POP Mail password
> 
> Other than that I allow 1 PW to choose the passwords for me (15 chars or 
> more).  Some sites only allow 8 - 12 chars, however.> 

Yes, and it's annoying. Vanguard only allows 12 characters and no 
special characters. What are they thinking?

-- 
John Varela

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#21484

John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> writes:

> Yes, and it's annoying. Vanguard only allows 12 characters and no 
> special characters. What are they thinking?

Maybe they're running VMS.  Heh.

Billy Y..
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

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#21499

On 2014.03.10, 22:04 , John Varela wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:40:09 UTC, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2014.03.10, 15:12 , Peter James wrote:
>>> How would you run 1Password on an iMac and iPad?
>>>
>>> Would the master password be common between the two apps.
>>>
>>> I assume that log in passwords to web sites would be the same, ditto
>>> bank, email and other log ins.
>>>
>>> It's just the initial setting up that bothers me, and I hope the gurus
>>> here can clear up my confusion.
>>
>> There are a few nits (some websites don't cooperate perfectly with 1PW).
>
> In particular, Apple web sites.

I log into iCloud and support pages with 1PW without issue.

But when updating iTunes (iPhone) that needs the password, or buying 
music, then I have to go copy it from 1P or type it in.

>>    Get familiar with the manual edit.
>>
>> You use Dropbox or iCloud to sync.  Same master PW.
>>
>> However, for "key" accounts, I would not use a random pw gen'd by 1PW
>> but something I could remember.  Esp. the following accounts:
>>
>> AppleID
>> Dropbox
>> my ISP POP Mail password
>>
>> Other than that I allow 1 PW to choose the passwords for me (15 chars or
>> more).  Some sites only allow 8 - 12 chars, however.>
>
> Yes, and it's annoying. Vanguard only allows 12 characters and no
> special characters. What are they thinking?

Write to them and encourage other customers that you know to do the 
same.  It's a silly restriction in 2014.  (Or 2004 for that matter).

-- 
   Those who have reduced our privacy, whether they are state
   or commercial actors, prefer that we do not reduce theirs.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

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#21507

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:06:54 UTC, Alan Browne 
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2014.03.10, 22:04 , John Varela wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:40:09 UTC, Alan Browne
> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2014.03.10, 15:12 , Peter James wrote:
> >>> How would you run 1Password on an iMac and iPad?
> >>>
> >>> Would the master password be common between the two apps.
> >>>
> >>> I assume that log in passwords to web sites would be the same, ditto
> >>> bank, email and other log ins.
> >>>
> >>> It's just the initial setting up that bothers me, and I hope the gurus
> >>> here can clear up my confusion.
> >>
> >> There are a few nits (some websites don't cooperate perfectly with 1PW).
> >
> > In particular, Apple web sites.
> 
> I log into iCloud and support pages with 1PW without issue.
> 
> But when updating iTunes (iPhone) that needs the password, or buying 
> music, then I have to go copy it from 1P or type it in.

Or using the app store.
 
> >>    Get familiar with the manual edit.
> >>
> >> You use Dropbox or iCloud to sync.  Same master PW.
> >>
> >> However, for "key" accounts, I would not use a random pw gen'd by 1PW
> >> but something I could remember.  Esp. the following accounts:
> >>
> >> AppleID
> >> Dropbox
> >> my ISP POP Mail password
> >>
> >> Other than that I allow 1 PW to choose the passwords for me (15 chars or
> >> more).  Some sites only allow 8 - 12 chars, however.>
> >
> > Yes, and it's annoying. Vanguard only allows 12 characters and no
> > special characters. What are they thinking?
> 
> Write to them and encourage other customers that you know to do the 
> same.  It's a silly restriction in 2014.  (Or 2004 for that matter).
> 


-- 
John Varela

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#21511

In message <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-kYIqCrsYDS20@localhost> 
  John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:06:54 UTC, Alan Browne 
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

>> On 2014.03.10, 22:04 , John Varela wrote:
>> > On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:40:09 UTC, Alan Browne
>> > <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2014.03.10, 15:12 , Peter James wrote:
>> >>> How would you run 1Password on an iMac and iPad?
>> >>>
>> >>> Would the master password be common between the two apps.
>> >>>
>> >>> I assume that log in passwords to web sites would be the same, ditto
>> >>> bank, email and other log ins.
>> >>>
>> >>> It's just the initial setting up that bothers me, and I hope the gurus
>> >>> here can clear up my confusion.
>> >>
>> >> There are a few nits (some websites don't cooperate perfectly with 1PW).
>> >
>> > In particular, Apple web sites.
>> 
>> I log into iCloud and support pages with 1PW without issue.
>> 
>> But when updating iTunes (iPhone) that needs the password, or buying 
>> music, then I have to go copy it from 1P or type it in.

> Or using the app store.

I don't. The fingerprint sensor works very well.


-- 
OS X 10.5 is going to have spots?

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#21471

In message <1lib3us.11c321214cwn6wN%pfj@doesn't.exist.com> 
  Peter James <pfj@doesn't.exist.com> wrote:
> How would you run 1Password on an iMac and iPad?

I don't understand the question. Launch them?

> Would the master password be common between the two apps.

Yes, since you're accessing the same database.

> I assume that log in passwords to web sites would be the same, ditto
> bank, email and other log ins. 

> It's just the initial setting up that bothers me, and I hope the gurus
> here can clear up my confusion.

1Password syncs either via iCloud or Dropbox. Pick one. Profit.

-- 
She floats like a swan
Grace on the water

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#21510

I've had 1Password on the Mac for many years and on the iPhone for 
probably a year, but I've never *used* it on the iphone--I can't figure 
out how.

I go to a page on Safari (on iPhone), say the NYTimes Archives.  It 
asks for my password and I can't figure out how I'm supposed to get it 
in, short of leaving the program, opening 1Password, find the NYT login 
trying to memorize the password and ID, and then reloading Safari and 
going through the endless tedium of typing it all in.  I just forget 
about it and wait till I get home.

Any ideas on this?

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#21512

In message <2014031217544385485-xxx@yyyzzz> 
  gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> I've had 1Password on the Mac for many years and on the iPhone for 
> probably a year, but I've never *used* it on the iphone--I can't figure 
> out how.

> I go to a page on Safari (on iPhone), say the NYTimes Archives.  It 
> asks for my password and I can't figure out how I'm supposed to get it 
> in, short of leaving the program, opening 1Password, find the NYT login 
> trying to memorize the password and ID, and then reloading Safari and 
> going through the endless tedium of typing it all in.  I just forget 
> about it and wait till I get home.

1) Copy/paste
2) Use the browser in 1Password

-- 
Criticizing evolutionary theory because Darwin was limited is like
claiming computers don't work because Chuck Babbage didn't foresee Duke
Nukem 3.

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#21514

On 2014-03-13 00:57:33 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <2014031217544385485-xxx@yyyzzz>
>   gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> I've had 1Password on the Mac for many years and on the iPhone for
>> probably a year, but I've never *used* it on the iphone--I can't figure
>> out how.
> 
>> I go to a page on Safari (on iPhone), say the NYTimes Archives.  It
>> asks for my password and I can't figure out how I'm supposed to get it
>> in, short of leaving the program, opening 1Password, find the NYT login
>> trying to memorize the password and ID, and then reloading Safari and
>> going through the endless tedium of typing it all in.  I just forget
>> about it and wait till I get home.
> 
> 1) Copy/paste
> 2) Use the browser in 1Password

Oh. I thought there would be something more automated.

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#21515

In article <201403122048273334-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
 
> >> I go to a page on Safari (on iPhone), say the NYTimes Archives.  It
> >> asks for my password and I can't figure out how I'm supposed to get it
> >> in, short of leaving the program, opening 1Password, find the NYT login
> >> trying to memorize the password and ID, and then reloading Safari and
> >> going through the endless tedium of typing it all in.  I just forget
> >> about it and wait till I get home.
> > 
> > 1) Copy/paste
> > 2) Use the browser in 1Password
> 
> Oh. I thought there would be something more automated.

not allowed on ios due to sandboxing.

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