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  MT-Newswatcher Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> - 2013-12-19 20:02 -0800
    Re: MT-Newswatcher Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-19 21:42 -0700
    Re: MT-Newswatcher Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-19 23:34 -0800
      Re: MT-Newswatcher Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-20 09:58 +0000
        Re: MT-Newswatcher Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-20 11:36 -0500
      Re: MT-Newswatcher M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-12-20 15:26 -0500
    Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-20 21:57 +0000
      Re: MT-Newswatcher dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-21 09:26 +1100
      Re: MT-Newswatcher Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-20 17:30 -0500
        Re: MT-Newswatcher Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-12-20 23:15 +0000
        Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-21 13:18 +0000
          Re: MT-Newswatcher Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-21 08:02 -0700
            Re: MT-Newswatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-21 15:15 +0000
              Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-21 21:51 +0000
                Re: MT-Newswatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-21 22:00 +0000
                  Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-22 13:07 +0000
            Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-21 21:51 +0000
              Re: MT-Newswatcher "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2013-12-22 11:37 -0500
                Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-23 20:14 +0000
                  Re: MT-Newswatcher nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-23 16:11 -0500
                    Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-24 00:33 +0000
                      Re: MT-Newswatcher nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-23 19:48 -0500
                        Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-24 23:07 +0000
                          Re: MT-Newswatcher dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-12-25 13:30 +1300
                          Re: MT-Newswatcher nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-25 04:53 -0500
                            Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-25 19:38 +0000
                              Re: MT-Newswatcher nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-25 15:05 -0500
                      Re: MT-Newswatcher Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-24 16:07 +0000
                    Re: MT-Newswatcher Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-23 20:34 -0500
                      Re: MT-Newswatcher nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-23 20:43 -0500
                        Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-24 23:07 +0000
                          Re: MT-Newswatcher dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-12-25 13:30 +1300
                          Re: MT-Newswatcher nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-25 04:53 -0500
                            Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-25 19:38 +0000
                              Re: MT-Newswatcher nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-25 15:05 -0500
                                Re: MT-Newswatcher Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2013-12-26 16:18 -0500
                                  Re: MT-Newswatcher android <here@there.was> - 2013-12-27 06:36 +0100
                      Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-24 23:07 +0000
                        Re: MT-Newswatcher dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-12-25 13:30 +1300
                          Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-25 19:39 +0000
                        Re: MT-Newswatcher Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-24 20:49 -0500
                          Re: MT-Newswatcher nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-25 04:53 -0500
                            Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-25 19:38 +0000
                              Re: MT-Newswatcher nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-25 15:05 -0500
                                Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-27 22:09 +0000
                                  Re: MT-Newswatcher nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-27 21:15 -0500
                                    Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-28 15:07 +0000
                              Re: MT-Newswatcher Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-25 20:40 +0000
                                Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-27 22:09 +0000
                                  Re: MT-Newswatcher dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-12-28 12:41 +1300
                                  Re: MT-Newswatcher nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-27 21:15 -0500
                                    Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-28 15:07 +0000
                                      Re: MT-Newswatcher nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-28 12:39 -0500
                              Re: MT-Newswatcher AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-25 18:28 -0500
                          Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-25 19:39 +0000
                        Re: MT-Newswatcher David Fritzinger <dfritzin@nospam.mac.com> - 2013-12-26 16:06 -0500
                          Re: MT-Newswatcher Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-12-27 22:09 +0000
                  Re: MT-Newswatcher "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2013-12-24 11:02 -0500
    Re: MT-Newswatcher arkay <arkay@qsl.net> - 2014-01-18 15:47 -0600
      Re: MT-Newswatcher nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-18 17:04 -0500
        Re: MT-Newswatcher M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2014-01-19 10:34 -0500
          Re: MT-Newswatcher Joe Wolf Dee <joedid@email.com> - 2014-01-19 12:00 -0500
          Re: MT-Newswatcher nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2014-01-19 15:57 -0500
          Re: MT-Newswatcher arkay <arkay@qsl.net> - 2014-01-20 15:06 -0600

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#20159

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <l9a5ja$eu2$3@dont-email.me>, Erilar
> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> 
>>> The iPad Air doesn't run Mavericks.  I assume it's running IOS 7.
>> 
>> That's the only way you can buy it. My laptop, which has all the backups,
>> isn't running an OS that would be compatible with iOS 7, judging from past
>> performance. 
> 
> unless you're running 10.5 or earlier, it definitely is compatible.

With 10.6 on the laptop?  My iPad can't go higher than 10.5
> 
> all you need is itunes 11.1 or later, which runs on 10.6.

Why do I need iTunes 11.1 ?
> 
> and actually, you don't even need itunes at all. you can sync to the
> cloud.

What do you sync TO  if your music, books and pdfs, and iPhoto stuff is all
backed up in iTunes on the computer?  I don't use the cloud for anything
except travel e-mail.  I don't want to be dependent for something as simple
as reading a book or checking travel info on a wi - fi connection.


-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#20160

In article <l9akpd$7fd$2@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> >>> The iPad Air doesn't run Mavericks.  I assume it's running IOS 7.
> >> 
> >> That's the only way you can buy it. My laptop, which has all the backups,
> >> isn't running an OS that would be compatible with iOS 7, judging from past
> >> performance. 
> > 
> > unless you're running 10.5 or earlier, it definitely is compatible.
> 
> With 10.6 on the laptop?  My iPad can't go higher than 10.5

the ipad doesn't run 10.5.

your ipad stops at ios 5.1.1 (which  might be what you're thinking of). 

a new ipad comes with ios 7.

if your laptop can't run anything beyond 10.5, then it would be a
powerpc laptop. that would be rather unlikely.

all intel laptops can run 10.6, which is the minimum that's needed.

> > all you need is itunes 11.1 or later, which runs on 10.6.
> 
> Why do I need iTunes 11.1 ?

for ios 7 support, which is what a new ipad will have.

> > and actually, you don't even need itunes at all. you can sync to the
> > cloud.
> 
> What do you sync TO  if your music, books and pdfs, and iPhoto stuff is all
> backed up in iTunes on the computer? I don't use the cloud for anything
> except travel e-mail.  I don't want to be dependent for something as simple
> as reading a book or checking travel info on a wi - fi connection.

you can still keep stuff on the device, you just don't need to have a
computer to do it.

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#20175

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <l9akpd$7fd$2@dont-email.me>, Erilar
> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> 
>>>>> The iPad Air doesn't run Mavericks.  I assume it's running IOS 7.
>>>> 
>>>> That's the only way you can buy it. My laptop, which has all the backups,
>>>> isn't running an OS that would be compatible with iOS 7, judging from past
>>>> performance. 
>>> 
>>> unless you're running 10.5 or earlier, it definitely is compatible.
>> 
>> With 10.6 on the laptop?  My iPad can't go higher than 10.5
> 
> the ipad doesn't run 10.5.
> 
> your ipad stops at ios 5.1.1 (which  might be what you're thinking of). 
> 
Roght ; I messed up the numbers.  

> a new ipad comes with ios 7.
> 
> if your laptop can't run anything beyond 10.5, then it would be a
> powerpc laptop. that would be rather unlikely.
> 
> all intel laptops can run 10.6, which is the minimum that's needed.

iOS7 works with OS 10.6?  From comments here I got the impression Mavericks
was required.
> 
>>> all you need is itunes 11.1 or later, which runs on 10.6.
>> 
>> Why do I need iTunes 11.1 ?
> 
> for ios 7 support, which is what a new ipad will have.

I figured there'd be a catch.  There was some discussion a while about an
iTunes beyond mine that kept me from wanting it.
> 
>>> and actually, you don't even need itunes at all. you can sync to the
>>> cloud.
>> 
>> What do you sync TO  if your music, books and pdfs, and iPhoto stuff is all
>> backed up in iTunes on the computer? I don't use the cloud for anything
>> except travel e-mail.  I don't want to be dependent for something as simple
>> as reading a book or checking travel info on a wi - fi connection.
> 
> you can still keep stuff on the device, you just don't need to have a
> computer to do it.

my confusion has increased 8-/
-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#20176

Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <l9akpd$7fd$2@dont-email.me>, Erilar
> > <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> > 
> >>>>> The iPad Air doesn't run Mavericks.  I assume it's running IOS 7.
> >>>> 
> >>>> That's the only way you can buy it. My laptop, which has all the
> >>>> backups, isn't running an OS that would be compatible with iOS 7,
> >>>> judging from past performance.
> >>> 
> >>> unless you're running 10.5 or earlier, it definitely is compatible.
> >> 
> >> With 10.6 on the laptop?  My iPad can't go higher than 10.5
> > 
> > the ipad doesn't run 10.5.
> > 
> > your ipad stops at ios 5.1.1 (which  might be what you're thinking of).
> > 
> Roght ; I messed up the numbers.  
> 
> > a new ipad comes with ios 7.
> > 
> > if your laptop can't run anything beyond 10.5, then it would be a
> > powerpc laptop. that would be rather unlikely.
> > 
> > all intel laptops can run 10.6, which is the minimum that's needed.
> 
> iOS7 works with OS 10.6?  From comments here I got the impression Mavericks
> was required.

Mavericks is not required.

iOS 7 requires iTunes 11.1 or later if you want to manage the device
from the computer, or sync media and other content with the computer.

On a Mac, iTunes 11.1 requires Mac OS X 10.6.8 or later.

> >>> all you need is itunes 11.1 or later, which runs on 10.6.
> >> 
> >> Why do I need iTunes 11.1 ?
> > 
> > for ios 7 support, which is what a new ipad will have.
> 
> I figured there'd be a catch.  There was some discussion a while about an
> iTunes beyond mine that kept me from wanting it.

iTunes 11 made some significant changes in the user interface but you
can ignore most of them by turning the sidebar back on again via the
View menu. One of the major features that is gone is the Coverflow view.

> >>> and actually, you don't even need itunes at all. you can sync to the
> >>> cloud.
> >> 
> >> What do you sync TO  if your music, books and pdfs, and iPhoto stuff is all
> >> backed up in iTunes on the computer? I don't use the cloud for anything
> >> except travel e-mail.  I don't want to be dependent for something as simple
> >> as reading a book or checking travel info on a wi - fi connection.
> > 
> > you can still keep stuff on the device, you just don't need to have a
> > computer to do it.
> 
> my confusion has increased 8-/

As long as your device is already running iOS 5 or later, it is possible
to use it in a completely standalone manner without even owning a
computer. (Earlier versions of iOS required iTunes in order to do
management tasks including installing new iOS versions on the device.)

If you use an iOS device without a computer, it is still a good idea to
back it up, which can be done to a free iCloud account (the backup is
stored on Apple's servers).

Getting media onto an iOS device without a computer is usually done from
various online sources, with the obvious example being the iTunes Store.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#20183

In article <l9d42v$eqs$5@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> > a new ipad comes with ios 7.
> > 
> > if your laptop can't run anything beyond 10.5, then it would be a
> > powerpc laptop. that would be rather unlikely.
> > 
> > all intel laptops can run 10.6, which is the minimum that's needed.
> 
> iOS7 works with OS 10.6?  From comments here I got the impression Mavericks
> was required.

mavericks is not required. 

ios 7 requires itunes 11.1 or later, which will run on 10.6.8 or later,
so there's no issue about being able to run it. 

however, you don't have to use itunes if you use the cloud.

> >>> all you need is itunes 11.1 or later, which runs on 10.6.
> >> 
> >> Why do I need iTunes 11.1 ?
> > 
> > for ios 7 support, which is what a new ipad will have.
> 
> I figured there'd be a catch.  There was some discussion a while about an
> iTunes beyond mine that kept me from wanting it.

ios 7 is worlds better than ios 5.1.1 and a new ipad is *substantially*
faster (~5x) than an original ipad. 

it's a huge upgrade.

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#20190

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <l9d42v$eqs$5@dont-email.me>, Erilar
> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> 
>>> a new ipad comes with ios 7.
>>> 
>>> if your laptop can't run anything beyond 10.5, then it would be a
>>> powerpc laptop. that would be rather unlikely.
>>> 
>>> all intel laptops can run 10.6, which is the minimum that's needed.
>> 
>> iOS7 works with OS 10.6?  From comments here I got the impression Mavericks
>> was required.
> 
> mavericks is not required. 
> 
> ios 7 requires itunes 11.1 or later, which will run on 10.6.8 or later,
> so there's no issue about being able to run it. 
> 
> however, you don't have to use itunes if you use the cloud.
> 
>>>>> all you need is itunes 11.1 or later, which runs on 10.6.
>>>> 
>>>> Why do I need iTunes 11.1 ?
>>> 
>>> for ios 7 support, which is what a new ipad will have.
>> 
>> I figured there'd be a catch.  There was some discussion a while about an
>> iTunes beyond mine that kept me from wanting it.
> 
> ios 7 is worlds better than ios 5.1.1 and a new ipad is *substantially*
> faster (~5x) than an original ipad. 
> 
> it's a huge upgrade.

I'm not sure the speed is a big factor for me, but the itunes nimber brings
up another question: what if my iTunes is two versions old?  I can't tell
here on the iPad, but I think it is. this hasn't been a factor to date.  Am
I going to find the interim steps?
-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#20195

In article <l9fc8h$a2g$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> >>>>> all you need is itunes 11.1 or later, which runs on 10.6.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Why do I need iTunes 11.1 ?
> >>> 
> >>> for ios 7 support, which is what a new ipad will have.
> >> 
> >> I figured there'd be a catch.  There was some discussion a while about an
> >> iTunes beyond mine that kept me from wanting it.
> > 
> > ios 7 is worlds better than ios 5.1.1 and a new ipad is *substantially*
> > faster (~5x) than an original ipad. 
> > 
> > it's a huge upgrade.
> 
> I'm not sure the speed is a big factor for me, but the itunes nimber brings
> up another question: what if my iTunes is two versions old?  I can't tell
> here on the iPad, but I think it is. this hasn't been a factor to date.  Am
> I going to find the interim steps?

you can upgrade from whatever version you have to 11.1 directly.

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#20168

In message <l9akpd$7fd$2@dont-email.me> 
  Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> In article <l9a5ja$eu2$3@dont-email.me>, Erilar
>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>> 
>>>> The iPad Air doesn't run Mavericks.  I assume it's running IOS 7.
>>> 
>>> That's the only way you can buy it. My laptop, which has all the backups,
>>> isn't running an OS that would be compatible with iOS 7, judging from past
>>> performance. 
>> 
>> unless you're running 10.5 or earlier, it definitely is compatible.

> With 10.6 on the laptop?  My iPad can't go higher than 10.5

That makes no sense. You iPad can be connected to any Mac and is in no
way limited to 10.5.

>> all you need is itunes 11.1 or later, which runs on 10.6.

> Why do I need iTunes 11.1 ?

>> and actually, you don't even need itunes at all. you can sync to the
>> cloud.

> What do you sync TO  if your music, books and pdfs, and iPhoto stuff is all
> backed up in iTunes on the computer?  I don't use the cloud for anything
> except travel e-mail.  I don't want to be dependent for something as simple
> as reading a book or checking travel info on a wi - fi connection.

You are not understanding what 'sync to the cloud' entails. You need
WiFi to SYNC, but once you've done that, all the files are on your iOS
device.

-- 
MEGAHAL: within my penguin lies a torrid story of hate and love.

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#20161

In article <231220131611559911%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <l9a5ja$eu2$3@dont-email.me>, Erilar
> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> 
> > > The iPad Air doesn't run Mavericks.  I assume it's running IOS 7.
> > 
> > That's the only way you can buy it. My laptop, which has all the backups,
> > isn't running an OS that would be compatible with iOS 7, judging from past
> > performance. 
> 
> unless you're running 10.5 or earlier, it definitely is compatible.
> 
> all you need is itunes 11.1 or later, which runs on 10.6.
> 
> and actually, you don't even need itunes at all. you can sync to the
> cloud.

Don't you need at least 10.7 to use iCloud? I have 10.6.8, and it only 
knows about MobileMe, which no longer exists.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#20162

In article <barmar-F06F86.20340923122013@news.eternal-september.org>,
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

> > and actually, you don't even need itunes at all. you can sync to the
> > cloud.
> 
> Don't you need at least 10.7 to use iCloud? I have 10.6.8, and it only 
> knows about MobileMe, which no longer exists.

for icloud it is, but icloud is not the only cloud option.

an easy way to move stuff to an idevice is via dropbox and it stays on
the device, either within the dropbox app or moved to another app
(e.g., to ibooks for books). 

also, with backups in icloud, there's very little need to connect an
idevice to a computer with itunes for a backup.

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#20173

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <barmar-F06F86.20340923122013@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> 
>>> and actually, you don't even need itunes at all. you can sync to the
>>> cloud.
>> 
>> Don't you need at least 10.7 to use iCloud? I have 10.6.8, and it only 
>> knows about MobileMe, which no longer exists.
> 
> for icloud it is, but icloud is not the only cloud option.
> 
> an easy way to move stuff to an idevice is via dropbox and it stays on
> the device, either within the dropbox app or moved to another app
> (e.g., to ibooks for books). 
> 
> also, with backups in icloud, there's very little need to connect an
> idevice to a computer with itunes for a backup.

But if they're in the cloud, how do you do anything at all offline?
-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#20177

Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <barmar-F06F86.20340923122013@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > 
> >>> and actually, you don't even need itunes at all. you can sync to the
> >>> cloud.
> >> 
> >> Don't you need at least 10.7 to use iCloud? I have 10.6.8, and it only
> >> knows about MobileMe, which no longer exists.
> > 
> > for icloud it is, but icloud is not the only cloud option.
> > 
> > an easy way to move stuff to an idevice is via dropbox and it stays on
> > the device, either within the dropbox app or moved to another app
> > (e.g., to ibooks for books). 
> > 
> > also, with backups in icloud, there's very little need to connect an
> > idevice to a computer with itunes for a backup.
> 
> But if they're in the cloud, how do you do anything at all offline?

You only need to be on the Internet to do a backup. Typically you would
have a WiFi network at home, and the iPad would back itself up to iCloud
automatically once per day, while you had it plugged in to recharge.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#20181

In article <l9d42t$eqs$3@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> But if they're in the cloud, how do you do anything at all offline?

they're in the cloud *and* on your phone. it's a copy.

you don't need to be tethered to your computer all the time to use an
iphone or ipad, so why would you need to be on wifi all the time?

it helps, since backups are done as stuff happens rather than when you
get back into an area with wifi, but it's not required. it just happens
later.

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#20192

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <l9d42t$eqs$3@dont-email.me>, Erilar
> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> 
>> But if they're in the cloud, how do you do anything at all offline?
> 
> they're in the cloud *and* on your phone. it's a copy.
> 
> you don't need to be tethered to your computer all the time to use an
> iphone or ipad, so why would you need to be on wifi all the time?
> 
> it helps, since backups are done as stuff happens rather than when you
> get back into an area with wifi, but it's not required. it just happens
> later.
Don't you have to pay somone for having masses of stuff in the cloud?

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Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#20197

In article <l9fc8j$a2g$3@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> >> But if they're in the cloud, how do you do anything at all offline?
> > 
> > they're in the cloud *and* on your phone. it's a copy.
> > 
> > you don't need to be tethered to your computer all the time to use an
> > iphone or ipad, so why would you need to be on wifi all the time?
> > 
> > it helps, since backups are done as stuff happens rather than when you
> > get back into an area with wifi, but it's not required. it just happens
> > later.
>
> Don't you have to pay somone for having masses of stuff in the cloud?

no.

usually the various cloud services offer a small amount of space for
free (where 'small' is a few gigabytes) and paid options for more.

and sometimes the small amount is actually rather large. flickr offers
a terabyte of storage, for instance, for free. that's more space than
the hard drive of the mac i'm currently using has.

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#20214

In article <251220131505243122%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <l9fc8j$a2g$3@dont-email.me>, Erilar
> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> 
> > >> But if they're in the cloud, how do you do anything at all offline?
> > > 
> > > they're in the cloud *and* on your phone. it's a copy.
> > > 
> > > you don't need to be tethered to your computer all the time to use an
> > > iphone or ipad, so why would you need to be on wifi all the time?
> > > 
> > > it helps, since backups are done as stuff happens rather than when you
> > > get back into an area with wifi, but it's not required. it just happens
> > > later.
> >
> > Don't you have to pay somone for having masses of stuff in the cloud?
> 
> no.
> 
> usually the various cloud services offer a small amount of space for
> free (where 'small' is a few gigabytes) and paid options for more.
> 
> and sometimes the small amount is actually rather large. flickr offers
> a terabyte of storage, for instance, for free. that's more space than
> the hard drive of the mac i'm currently using has.

Cool. I could store all my pirated movies up there in the cloudcukooland 
...
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#20219

In article <52bc9d32$0$61211$c3e8da3$5e5e430d@news.astraweb.com>,
 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <251220131505243122%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > In article <l9fc8j$a2g$3@dont-email.me>, Erilar
> > <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> > 
> > > >> But if they're in the cloud, how do you do anything at all offline?
> > > > 
> > > > they're in the cloud *and* on your phone. it's a copy.
> > > > 
> > > > you don't need to be tethered to your computer all the time to use an
> > > > iphone or ipad, so why would you need to be on wifi all the time?
> > > > 
> > > > it helps, since backups are done as stuff happens rather than when you
> > > > get back into an area with wifi, but it's not required. it just happens
> > > > later.
> > >
> > > Don't you have to pay somone for having masses of stuff in the cloud?
> > 
> > no.
> > 
> > usually the various cloud services offer a small amount of space for
> > free (where 'small' is a few gigabytes) and paid options for more.
> > 
> > and sometimes the small amount is actually rather large. flickr offers
> > a terabyte of storage, for instance, for free. that's more space than
> > the hard drive of the mac i'm currently using has.
> 
> Cool. I could store all my pirated movies up there in the cloudcukooland 
> ...

Yeah, 'n the keywords to your swiss numberaccounts too!!!
-- 
teleportation kills

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#20174

Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <231220131611559911%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
>  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> In article <l9a5ja$eu2$3@dont-email.me>, Erilar
>> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>> 
>>>> The iPad Air doesn't run Mavericks.  I assume it's running IOS 7.
>>> 
>>> That's the only way you can buy it. My laptop, which has all the backups,
>>> isn't running an OS that would be compatible with iOS 7, judging from past
>>> performance. 
>> 
>> unless you're running 10.5 or earlier, it definitely is compatible.
>> 
>> all you need is itunes 11.1 or later, which runs on 10.6.
>> 
>> and actually, you don't even need itunes at all. you can sync to the
>> cloud.
> 
> Don't you need at least 10.7 to use iCloud? I have 10.6.8, and it only 
> knows about MobileMe, which no longer exists.

I don't use iCloud on my computer.  Is there a reason to?

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#20178

Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> > In article <231220131611559911%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
> >  nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >> In article <l9a5ja$eu2$3@dont-email.me>, Erilar
> >> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> >> 
> >>>> The iPad Air doesn't run Mavericks.  I assume it's running IOS 7.
> >>> 
> >>> That's the only way you can buy it. My laptop, which has all the backups,
> >>> isn't running an OS that would be compatible with iOS 7, judging from past
> >>> performance. 
> >> 
> >> unless you're running 10.5 or earlier, it definitely is compatible.
> >> 
> >> all you need is itunes 11.1 or later, which runs on 10.6.
> >> 
> >> and actually, you don't even need itunes at all. you can sync to the
> >> cloud.
> > 
> > Don't you need at least 10.7 to use iCloud? I have 10.6.8, and it only
> > knows about MobileMe, which no longer exists.
> 
> I don't use iCloud on my computer.  Is there a reason to?

The feature set is summarised here.

http://www.apple.com/icloud

If your computer is running Mac OS X 10.6.8 or earlier, you can't use
iCloud on your computer unless you upgrade to a later verison of OS X.

If your computer is running Mac OS X 10.7 or later, then it has the
option of using iCloud, but some features require a newer version of OS
X. See this page for the requirements for specific features.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4759

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#20194

David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>.
>> 
>> I don't use iCloud on my computer.  Is there a reason to?
> 
> The feature set is summarised here.
> 
> http://www.apple.com/icloud
> 
> If your computer is running Mac OS X 10.6.8 or earlier, you can't use
> iCloud on your computer unless you upgrade to a later verison of OS X.

The former, which is the catch.
> 
> If your computer is running Mac OS X 10.7 or later, then it has the
> option of using iCloud, but some features require a newer version of OS
> X. See this page for the requirements for specific features.
> 
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4759



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