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  Mail drops PW John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-10-30 08:18 -0700
    Re: Mail drops PW Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-30 15:29 +0000
      Re: Mail drops PW John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-10-30 09:11 -0700
        Re: Mail drops PW Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-30 20:26 +0000
        Re: Mail drops PW dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-31 09:03 +1100
          Re: Mail drops PW John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-11-01 13:16 -0700
    Re: Mail drops PW Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-30 20:13 -0700
      Re: Mail drops PW John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2013-11-01 13:17 -0700
    Re: Mail drops PW Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-11-02 12:43 -0400

#19035 — Mail drops PW

My main e-mail account starting dropping the Password and reentering it 
in Preferences does good only for the session— or rather until I quit 
the app. Yes, leaving the app open will avoid frequent re-entering, but 
I've been in the habit of closing apps when through with them. (not 
necessary today, but a long hangover from OSes 6, 7, 8, 9.

Short of deleting the account an rebuilding it in Mail, is there a fix 
to this?

-- 
John McWilliams

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#19036

In article <l4r7vj$ln6$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

>  My main e-mail account starting dropping the Password and reentering it
>  in Preferences does good only for the session— or rather until I quit
>  the app. Yes, leaving the app open will avoid frequent re-entering, but
>  I've been in the habit of closing apps when through with them. (not
>  necessary today, but a long hangover from OSes 6, 7, 8, 9.
>
>  Short of deleting the account an rebuilding it in Mail, is there a fix
>  to this?

What kind of email account is it? There have been reports of Apple Mail and 
Yahoo mail having these kind of problems, the solution back then was to go 
to yahoo.com and login, logout, and then login again. It should then as you 
if you want to upgrade your account to the new version, which helped some.

You can also remove the passwords from the keychain app, which would 
re-save them to it when entering it in Mail next time, that may help.


--
Sandman[.net]

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#19040

On 10/30/13   PDT, 8:29 AM, Sandman wrote:
>
> In article <l4r7vj$ln6$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>   My main e-mail account starting dropping the Password and reentering it
>>   in Preferences does good only for the session— or rather until I quit
>>   the app. Yes, leaving the app open will avoid frequent re-entering, but
>>   I've been in the habit of closing apps when through with them. (not
>>   necessary today, but a long hangover from OSes 6, 7, 8, 9.
>>
>>   Short of deleting the account an rebuilding it in Mail, is there a fix
>>   to this?
>
> What kind of email account is it? There have been reports of Apple Mail and
> Yahoo mail having these kind of problems, the solution back then was to go
> to yahoo.com and login, logout, and then login again. It should then as you
> if you want to upgrade your account to the new version, which helped some.
>
> You can also remove the passwords from the keychain app, which would
> re-save them to it when entering it in Mail next time, that may help.

It was (is) my mac.com e-mail, and after combing through Keychain and 
deleting lots of stuff, that seems to have done the trick. Also cleaned 
house and deleted carryovers from long gone computers and comcast.net 
mail accounts.

Thank you.

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#19071

In article <l4rb43$aa5$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> > What kind of email account is it? There have been reports of Apple Mail and
> > Yahoo mail having these kind of problems, the solution back then was to go
> > to yahoo.com and login, logout, and then login again. It should then as you
> > if you want to upgrade your account to the new version, which helped some.
> >
> > You can also remove the passwords from the keychain app, which would
> > re-save them to it when entering it in Mail next time, that may help.
>
>  It was (is) my mac.com e-mail, and after combing through Keychain and
>  deleting lots of stuff, that seems to have done the trick. Also cleaned
>  house and deleted carryovers from long gone computers and comcast.net
>  mail accounts.
>
>  Thank you.

No problem. Hope it stays fixed.


--
Sandman[.net]

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#19076

In article <l4rb43$aa5$1@dont-email.me>,
 John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 10/30/13   PDT, 8:29 AM, Sandman wrote:
> >
> > In article <l4r7vj$ln6$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams 
> > <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >>   My main e-mail account starting dropping the Password and reentering it
> >>   in Preferences does good only for the session— or rather until I quit
> >>   the app. Yes, leaving the app open will avoid frequent re-entering, but
> >>   I've been in the habit of closing apps when through with them. (not
> >>   necessary today, but a long hangover from OSes 6, 7, 8, 9.
> >>
> >>   Short of deleting the account an rebuilding it in Mail, is there a fix
> >>   to this?
> >
> > What kind of email account is it? There have been reports of Apple Mail and
> > Yahoo mail having these kind of problems, the solution back then was to go
> > to yahoo.com and login, logout, and then login again. It should then as you
> > if you want to upgrade your account to the new version, which helped some.
> >
> > You can also remove the passwords from the keychain app, which would
> > re-save them to it when entering it in Mail next time, that may help.
> 
> It was (is) my mac.com e-mail, and after combing through Keychain and 
> deleting lots of stuff, that seems to have done the trick. Also cleaned 
> house and deleted carryovers from long gone computers and comcast.net 
> mail accounts.
> 
> Thank you.

Don't be too hopeful, though of course, I hope this has done the trick 
for you for good. I think Mail.app is buggy. 

Been doing this sort of thing for years in my Mail.app. In my 
Mail.app, the password as represented by the bullets, now and then 
disappear for no known reason at all, even when prefs are locked.

-- 
dorayme

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#19190

On 10/30/13   PDT, 3:03 PM, dorayme wrote:
> In article <l4rb43$aa5$1@dont-email.me>,
>   John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> On 10/30/13   PDT, 8:29 AM, Sandman wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <l4r7vj$ln6$1@dont-email.me>, John McWilliams
>>> <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>    My main e-mail account starting dropping the Password and reentering it
>>>>    in Preferences does good only for the session— or rather until I quit
>>>>    the app. Yes, leaving the app open will avoid frequent re-entering, but
>>>>    I've been in the habit of closing apps when through with them. (not
>>>>    necessary today, but a long hangover from OSes 6, 7, 8, 9.
>>>>
>>>>    Short of deleting the account an rebuilding it in Mail, is there a fix
>>>>    to this?
>>>
>>> What kind of email account is it? There have been reports of Apple Mail and
>>> Yahoo mail having these kind of problems, the solution back then was to go
>>> to yahoo.com and login, logout, and then login again. It should then as you
>>> if you want to upgrade your account to the new version, which helped some.
>>>
>>> You can also remove the passwords from the keychain app, which would
>>> re-save them to it when entering it in Mail next time, that may help.
>>
>> It was (is) my mac.com e-mail, and after combing through Keychain and
>> deleting lots of stuff, that seems to have done the trick. Also cleaned
>> house and deleted carryovers from long gone computers and comcast.net
>> mail accounts.
>>
>> Thank you.
>
> Don't be too hopeful, though of course, I hope this has done the trick
> for you for good. I think Mail.app is buggy.
>
> Been doing this sort of thing for years in my Mail.app. In my
> Mail.app, the password as represented by the bullets, now and then
> disappear for no known reason at all, even when prefs are locked.

I am neither hopeful nor despairing over the matter..... this is the 
first real glitch in Mail for several years that wasn't cured by 
relaunching the app.

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#19104

In article <l4r7vj$ln6$1@dont-email.me>,
 John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:

> My main e-mail account starting dropping the Password and reentering it 
> in Preferences does good only for the session‹ or rather until I quit 
> the app. Yes, leaving the app open will avoid frequent re-entering, but 
> I've been in the habit of closing apps when through with them. (not 
> necessary today, but a long hangover from OSes 6, 7, 8, 9.
> 
> Short of deleting the account an rebuilding it in Mail, is there a fix 
> to this?

I've seen this from time to time with CrapCast and AT&T's mail.  It's 
usually their authentication server going off-line (separate from 
email).  I usually ignore it until they fix it or in those two services, 
don't use their email system at all.  I use Gmail or my web hosting 
company's servers instead.

AT&T has gotten better and I haven't had a "failed to connect" in a 
while.  Didn't do any good to call support.  Those people just go to an 
internal web site for status and can't fix anything.

Does your problem happen on ALL the accounts or just one in particular?

Does the problem happen with another user on your system or just this 
user?

-- 
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[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#19191

On 10/30/13   PDT, 8:13 PM, Michael Vilain wrote:
> In article <l4r7vj$ln6$1@dont-email.me>,
>   John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> My main e-mail account starting dropping the Password and reentering it
>> in Preferences does good only for the session‹ or rather until I quit
>> the app. Yes, leaving the app open will avoid frequent re-entering, but
>> I've been in the habit of closing apps when through with them. (not
>> necessary today, but a long hangover from OSes 6, 7, 8, 9.
>>
>> Short of deleting the account an rebuilding it in Mail, is there a fix
>> to this?
>
> I've seen this from time to time with CrapCast and AT&T's mail.  It's
> usually their authentication server going off-line (separate from
> email).  I usually ignore it until they fix it or in those two services,
> don't use their email system at all.  I use Gmail or my web hosting
> company's servers instead.
>
> AT&T has gotten better and I haven't had a "failed to connect" in a
> while.  Didn't do any good to call support.  Those people just go to an
> internal web site for status and can't fix anything.
>
> Does your problem happen on ALL the accounts or just one in particular?
>
> Does the problem happen with another user on your system or just this
> user?

It was a mac.com account, and it's been cured.

Thank you.

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#19205

On 2013.10.30, 11:18 , John McWilliams wrote:
> My main e-mail account starting dropping the Password and reentering it
> in Preferences does good only for the session— or rather until I quit
> the app. Yes, leaving the app open will avoid frequent re-entering, but
> I've been in the habit of closing apps when through with them. (not
> necessary today, but a long hangover from OSes 6, 7, 8, 9.
>
> Short of deleting the account an rebuilding it in Mail, is there a fix
> to this?


I was going to suggest some keychain cleaning - but appears you've done 
that...

I get this occasionally with Gmail accounts and less often with my ISP 
mail.  It doesn't persist as it seems to do in your case - that is 
re-entering the PW fixes it and I can quit mail and come back in and all 
is well.

As to habits, from my Windows days stretching back to Win 3.1, I don't 
close utility apps like mail.  I start them and they remain running 
until the machine needs a shutdown or reboot [or occasionally the app 
might need a restart].  In the case of this iMac (or at least the prior 
one) that could be stretches of up to 2 months before I was forced by 
some Apple DL to restart the computer - so mail and others would be 
running for that period as well.

-- 
"Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another."
                                                 -Ambrose Bierce

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