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  Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 13:53 +0200
    Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-23 13:36 +0000
      Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-23 15:09 +0100
        Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-23 08:46 -0700
      Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-23 08:46 -0700
      Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 17:48 +0200
        Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-23 08:52 -0700
        Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-24 02:57 +0000
          Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-24 05:43 +0000
            Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-24 06:46 +0000
        Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-24 18:16 +0000
          Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-25 05:01 +0000
          Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-25 05:24 +0000
    Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-23 14:57 +0100
      Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 17:49 +0200
        Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lloyd E Parsons <lloydparsons@me.com> - 2013-10-23 11:00 -0500
        Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-23 19:03 +0100
    Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Jesse <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2013-10-23 09:38 -0500
    Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-23 12:30 -0500
      Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 19:04 +0000
      Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-23 21:54 -0400
        Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-23 22:27 -0500
    Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-23 21:44 -0400
      Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-23 21:51 -0400
        Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-24 05:40 +0000
          Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-24 22:07 -0400
        Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-24 13:27 -0400
          Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-24 22:09 -0400
      Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-24 05:38 +0000
    Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> - 2013-10-24 15:44 -0400
      Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-24 14:51 -0500
      Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-24 22:25 +0100
      Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-24 21:12 -0400
    Re: Thunderbird or Unison for usenet? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-25 10:15 +1300

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#18732

On 10-23-2013, 13:30, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
> I kept getting 'expired post' errors off and on and that required a
> close and restart every time.

Hmmm.  I have only rarely seen 'expired post', and when I did, it was 
always when I tried to open a very old post in a thread that someone had 
recently posted in.   IOW, a restart would be irrelevant.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   I won't burn your Koran because I don't want you to burn my Bible;
   but if you burn my Bible, no one's going to die.
                                    — Robert Rhee

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#18740

On 2013-10-24 01:54:46 +0000, Wes Groleau said:

> On 10-23-2013, 13:30, Lloyd E Parsons wrote:
>> I kept getting 'expired post' errors off and on and that required a
>> close and restart every time.
> 
> Hmmm.  I have only rarely seen 'expired post', and when I did, it was 
> always when I tried to open a very old post in a thread that someone 
> had recently posted in.   IOW, a restart would be irrelevant.

First time I saw it, I didn't give it much credit as a real bug.  But 
when it kept doing it over and over during the day, I had enough.

And you're right, a restart SHOULD have been irrelevant, but it was the 
only way I found to get it to stop doing it temporarily.

So I moved on to Unison, which does what it does without buggy 
operation.  And what it does is plenty good enough for me.
-- 
Lloyd

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#18729

On 10-23-2013, 07:53, Sandman wrote:
> Both lack *severly* in the filtering department, and frankly, I think
> Panic is more likely to respond to user feedback in that area.

What is missing, in your opinion?  Thunderbird looks primitive 
"out-of-the-box" but it actually allows you to filter on ANY header. 
You just have to add the ones that aren't already in the menu.

> Both have an AIO window scheme, where all "views" can be contained
> within one window. Thunderbird handles this much better by having a read
> pane to the right of the list, with Unison only having it below.

I like Thunderbird's thread view.

> Whichever you choose, the question of synchronization comes up. I use
> MT-NW on my work Mac and my laptop. I use dropbox to synchronize the
> .newsrc file which works seemlessly. MTNW also supports storing the
> .newsrc file on a FTP server for sharing.

Start Thunderbird on each machine and set up your profiles.  Set one of 
them exactly the way you want.  The rest can just be defaulted.

Shut down Thunderbird.  Move or copy ~Library/Thunderbird to somewhere 
in your Dropbox directory and allow it to synchronize.

On each Mac OS or other Unix/Linux/BSD/etc.,

rm -rf ~Library/Thunderbird
ln -s <dropbox/path>/Thunderbird

When Thunderbird launches, it fetches ~Library/Thunderbird/profiles.ini

It doesn't care that there is a symlink in the path.

profles.ini  tells it where to go relative to the same folder for 
everything else.

I don't know whether there's a way to use the same profiles on Windows.

I don't think you can use it with other newsreaders, as it uses an 
SQLite DB instead of the original plain ASCII .newsrc

I've been doing this for years.  Downside is the amount of Dropbox 
traffic, as changes will be made frequently while you are reading and 
posting and filtering and changing settings.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   I won't burn your Koran because I don't want you to burn my Bible;
   but if you burn my Bible, no one's going to die.
                                    — Robert Rhee

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#18731

On 10-23-2013, 21:44, (me) wrote:
> What is missing, in your opinion?  Thunderbird looks primitive
> "out-of-the-box" but it actually allows you to filter on ANY header. You
> just have to add the ones that aren't already in the menu.

One thing I _WISH_ it could do is kill any _response_ to some specified 
troll.  It does have a "kill subthread" action in the filters, but then 
you miss decent posts when the thread drifts away from troll-bashing to
legitimate content.  Then again, I can't afford the time to read even 
half of the legit posts, so it's not major.

One other flaw in Thunderbird is that it doesn't properly mark 
cross-posted items as read.  So you get to read them again and again unless
you kill the thread the next time.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   I won't burn your Koran because I don't want you to burn my Bible;
   but if you burn my Bible, no one's going to die.
                                    — Robert Rhee

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#18751

In article <l49ue7$spn$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> > What is missing, in your opinion?  Thunderbird looks primitive
> > "out-of-the-box" but it actually allows you to filter on ANY header. You
> > just have to add the ones that aren't already in the menu.
> 
>  One thing I _WISH_ it could do is kill any _response_ to some specified 
>  troll.

Ah, yes that sucks. I have MT-NW (and now slrn) set up to kill responses to 
known trolls such as Snit. It's just a matter of using regular expressions 
and the References: header.

>  One other flaw in Thunderbird is that it doesn't properly mark 
>  cross-posted items as read.  So you get to read them again and again unless
>  you kill the thread the next time.

Ouch, yeah that sucks. Both MT-NW and slrn does that nicely. 

-- 
Sandman[.net]

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#18779

On 10-24-2013, 01:40, Sandman wrote:
> In article <l49ue7$spn$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>
>>> What is missing, in your opinion?  Thunderbird looks primitive
>>> "out-of-the-box" but it actually allows you to filter on ANY header. You
>>> just have to add the ones that aren't already in the menu.
>>
>>   One thing I _WISH_ it could do is kill any _response_ to some specified
>>   troll.
>
> Ah, yes that sucks. I have MT-NW (and now slrn) set up to kill responses to
> known trolls such as Snit. It's just a matter of using regular expressions
> and the References: header.
>
>>   One other flaw in Thunderbird is that it doesn't properly mark
>>   cross-posted items as read.  So you get to read them again and again unless
>>   you kill the thread the next time.
>
> Ouch, yeah that sucks. Both MT-NW and slrn does that nicely.

But in spite of both flaws, I still like Thunderbird.  I used a couple 
of newsreaders before GUIs were invented, so it's not like I can't.
I prefer shell and Terminal for  lot of things, but for mail/news,
I'm content to be a WIMP.

And though I can't remember which, I tried a few other GUI newsreaders 
and came back to Thunderbird.


-- 
Wes Groleau

   “What you see and hear depends a good deal on where you are standing;
    it also depends on what kind of person you are.”
                                                       -- C.S.Lewis

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#18769

In article <l49ue7$spn$1@dont-email.me>,
 Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 10-23-2013, 21:44, (me) wrote:
> > What is missing, in your opinion?  Thunderbird looks primitive
> > "out-of-the-box" but it actually allows you to filter on ANY header. You
> > just have to add the ones that aren't already in the menu.
> 
> One thing I _WISH_ it could do is kill any _response_ to some specified 
> troll.  It does have a "kill subthread" action in the filters, but then 
> you miss decent posts when the thread drifts away from troll-bashing to
> legitimate content.  Then again, I can't afford the time to read even 
> half of the legit posts, so it's not major.

When was the last time a subthread ever did that? Once it veers onto 
that tangent, I've never seen it get back to the original topic.

This is a feature I've long wished for in MT-NW.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#18780

On 10-24-2013, 13:27, Barry Margolin wrote:
> In article <l49ue7$spn$1@dont-email.me>,
>   Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:
>
>> On 10-23-2013, 21:44, (me) wrote:
>>> What is missing, in your opinion?  Thunderbird looks primitive
>>> "out-of-the-box" but it actually allows you to filter on ANY header. You
>>> just have to add the ones that aren't already in the menu.
>>
>> One thing I _WISH_ it could do is kill any _response_ to some specified
>> troll.  It does have a "kill subthread" action in the filters, but then
>> you miss decent posts when the thread drifts away from troll-bashing to
>> legitimate content.  Then again, I can't afford the time to read even
>> half of the legit posts, so it's not major.
>
> When was the last time a subthread ever did that? Once it veers onto
> that tangent, I've never seen it get back to the original topic.

I didn't say it drifts back to the original topic.  People bash the 
troll for a while, but almost all (sub)threads drift--even those that 
are feeding a troll.


-- 
Wes Groleau

   Nutrition for Blokes: Re-engineering your diet for life
   http://www.phlaunt.com/quentin

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#18750

In article <l49u1d$qlq$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> > Both lack *severly* in the filtering department, and frankly, I think
> > Panic is more likely to respond to user feedback in that area.
> 
>  What is missing, in your opinion?  Thunderbird looks primitive 
>  "out-of-the-box" but it actually allows you to filter on ANY header. 
>  You just have to add the ones that aren't already in the menu.

Yeah, I know. But even after some really heavy googling, I couldn't get it 
to set my Message-ID to something that I could filter on, which was a pity. 
MT-NW also filters on pretty much anything and supports regexp filters as 
well. I've moved to slrn now which has very good scoring/filtering.

> > Whichever you choose, the question of synchronization comes up. I use
> > MT-NW on my work Mac and my laptop. I use dropbox to synchronize the
> > .newsrc file which works seemlessly. MTNW also supports storing the
> > .newsrc file on a FTP server for sharing.
> 
>  Start Thunderbird on each machine and set up your profiles.  Set one of 
>  them exactly the way you want.  The rest can just be defaulted.
> 
>  Shut down Thunderbird.  Move or copy ~Library/Thunderbird to somewhere 
>  in your Dropbox directory and allow it to synchronize.

I'll look into that if I ever get around to trying TB again.

>  I don't think you can use it with other newsreaders, as it uses an 
>  SQLite DB instead of the original plain ASCII .newsrc
> 
>  I've been doing this for years.  Downside is the amount of Dropbox 
>  traffic, as changes will be made frequently while you are reading and 
>  posting and filtering and changing settings.

Eew, that's a bummer. 



-- 
Sandman[.net]

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#18772

On 10/23/13 7:53 AM, Sandman wrote:
> So, being abandoned by the best usenet software ever made,
> MT-NewsWatcher, I among many of you are stuck in the question about what
> software we should use now...
>
> I am currently trying out thunderbird, and I think it's a better
> candidate than Unison even though Unison does look better, but is a more
> rudimentary reader. Thunderbird shares some keyboard settings with MTNW
> for instance.

I just downloaded Thunderbird in preparation for loosing MTNW but I have 
run into an odd problem.  One of the servers I use is Eternal-September 
and Thunderbird only finds the eternal-september newsgroups and not the 
alt groups I was reading.  The group list under MTNW is huge. Anybody 
know why it isn't showing up under Tbird?

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#18773

On 2013-10-24 19:44:17 +0000, Robert Peirce said:

> On 10/23/13 7:53 AM, Sandman wrote:
>> So, being abandoned by the best usenet software ever made,
>> MT-NewsWatcher, I among many of you are stuck in the question about what
>> software we should use now...
>> 
>> I am currently trying out thunderbird, and I think it's a better
>> candidate than Unison even though Unison does look better, but is a more
>> rudimentary reader. Thunderbird shares some keyboard settings with MTNW
>> for instance.
> 
> I just downloaded Thunderbird in preparation for loosing MTNW but I 
> have run into an odd problem.  One of the servers I use is 
> Eternal-September and Thunderbird only finds the eternal-september 
> newsgroups and not the alt groups I was reading.  The group list under 
> MTNW is huge. Anybody know why it isn't showing up under Tbird?

Can't tell you about that, but I couldn't get it to work reliably with 
eternal-september.  T-Bird kept expiring new messages quicker than I 
could read them.

-- 
Lloyd

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#18775

Robert Peirce <bob@peirce-family.com> wrote:

> On 10/23/13 7:53 AM, Sandman wrote:
> > So, being abandoned by the best usenet software ever made,
> > MT-NewsWatcher, I among many of you are stuck in the question about what
> > software we should use now...
> >
> > I am currently trying out thunderbird, and I think it's a better
> > candidate than Unison even though Unison does look better, but is a more
> > rudimentary reader. Thunderbird shares some keyboard settings with MTNW
> > for instance.
> 
> I just downloaded Thunderbird in preparation for loosing MTNW but I have
> run into an odd problem.  One of the servers I use is Eternal-September
> and Thunderbird only finds the eternal-september newsgroups and not the
> alt groups I was reading.  The group list under MTNW is huge. Anybody
> know why it isn't showing up under Tbird?

You aren't logged into E-S. I assume that you do have a registered
account there? Make sure that you have put your authentication
credentials into Thunderbird correctly. T'bird is particularly quirky to
set up on E-S, there is detailed guidance on the E-S website.

-- 
^Ï^.      Sn!pe      <snipe@notforspam.fsnet.co.uk> 
 
My pet rock Gordon just is. 
 

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#18778

On Oct/24/2013 3:4417 PM, Robert Peirce wrote:
> On 10/23/13 7:53 AM, Sandman wrote:
>> So, being abandoned by the best usenet software ever made,
>> MT-NewsWatcher, I among many of you are stuck in the question about what
>> software we should use now...
>>
>> I am currently trying out thunderbird, and I think it's a better
>> candidate than Unison even though Unison does look better, but is a more
>> rudimentary reader. Thunderbird shares some keyboard settings with MTNW
>> for instance.
>
> I just downloaded Thunderbird in preparation for loosing MTNW but I have
> run into an odd problem. One of the servers I use is Eternal-September
> and Thunderbird only finds the eternal-september newsgroups and not the
> alt groups I was reading. The group list under MTNW is huge. Anybody
> know why it isn't showing up under Tbird?
>


I download newsgroups through Thunderbird from eternal-september for 
back-up, i. e., for when other sources break down. I find that they take 
20-30 seconds longer to download than my prime sources. I attribute that 
to their server, and there have also been more occasional outages than 
with other newsgroups sources, but not lately. I don't know of any 
source that has every newsgroup there is. eternal-september seems better 
stocked than many.


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#18774

Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> So, being abandoned by the best usenet software ever made, 
> MT-NewsWatcher, I among many of you are stuck in the question about what
> software we should use now...
> 
> I am currently trying out thunderbird, and I think it's a better 
> candidate than Unison even though Unison does look better, but is a more
> rudimentary reader. Thunderbird shares some keyboard settings with MTNW
> for instance.
> 
> Both lack *severly* in the filtering department, and frankly, I think
> Panic is more likely to respond to user feedback in that area.
> 
> Both have an AIO window scheme, where all "views" can be contained 
> within one window. Thunderbird handles this much better by having a read
> pane to the right of the list, with Unison only having it below.
> 
> Whichever you choose, the question of synchronization comes up. I use
> MT-NW on my work Mac and my laptop. I use dropbox to synchronize the 
> .newsrc file which works seemlessly. MTNW also supports storing the 
> .newsrc file on a FTP server for sharing.
> 
> Neither Unison or Thunderbird have sharing built in, so do anyone know
> what files to sync (via dropbox, for example) for either to remain in
> sync - I mean syncing filter settings, account settings and group 
> subscriptions and read status of those groups?
> 
> What is your current plan?

To stick with MacSOUP.
-- 
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