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  MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Gerry <email@domain.com> - 2013-10-22 21:16 -0700
    Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-23 00:22 -0400
    Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-23 17:47 +1300
      Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2013-10-23 22:14 -0400
        Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-23 23:47 -0400
    Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 11:25 +0200
      Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-23 12:26 +0100
        Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 18:58 +0000
          Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-23 16:12 -0400
            Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 20:14 +0000
          Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2013-10-23 22:00 +0000
            Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-24 05:24 +0000
          Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-24 03:08 +0000
    Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-23 07:41 -0400
      Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks RonTheGuy@null.invalid (Ron) - 2013-10-23 18:47 -0700
        Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-10-24 11:27 -0500
          Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-25 12:40 +1300
            Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-25 05:27 +0000
              Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-26 19:03 +1300
            Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-10-25 11:01 -0500
              Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-26 19:03 +1300
          Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-26 19:03 +1300
      Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-10-25 10:54 -0700
        Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 09:31 -0500
    Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-23 08:44 -0700
      Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 17:50 +0200
        Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-23 08:53 -0700
          Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks martinstaylorhypnotist@googlemail.com - 2013-10-23 09:16 -0700
            Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-23 12:26 -0500
          Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-23 11:20 -0500
            Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-23 14:07 -0700
              Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-23 16:12 -0500
      Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Gavin G <ggrandish@gmail.com> - 2013-10-23 11:57 -0700

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#18796

Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:

> In article <1lbamw9.1tkl0rpo4htyvN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
>  dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
> 
> > Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
> > 
> > What's wrong with MacSOUP? I've been happily using it since 1996.
> 
> Then you probably already know what's wrong with MacSOUP.  If you 
> haven't followed the multiple threads that have come up in the past, you
> can go back and read the points I have previously made:
> 
> <https://groups.google.com/groups/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=droleary+Mac
> SOUP&btnG=Search&sitesearch=>

Ugg. Google Groups sucks so bad I'll just take your word for it that
you've longstanding issues.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#18794

Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:

> In article <1lb7ium.wivc8s162dvccN%RonTheGuy@null.invalid>,
>  RonTheGuy@null.invalid (Ron) wrote:
> 
> > Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <2013102221160474069-email@domaincom>,
> > >  Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to
> > > > launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error
> > > > message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was
> > > > removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work
> > > > under OS 10.9?
> > > 
> > >   Is there a good (or at least useable) option?
> > MacSoup still works.
> 
> For a very poor definition of "works".  Right now, what's working for me
> is reading news on one of my older Macs.  I might go back to slrn 
> (preferable to MacSOUP).  Only wish there were an easy way to export 
> MT-NW filters and such.

How is MacSOUP not working under 10.9? If you mean you don't like it's
feature set and design, fine. But it works well in 10.9 - I've watched
it being used with nary a hiccup, and have had other reliable positive
feedback from users of 10.9 and MacSOUP (I'm still on 10.6.8, at least
till I get a new Mac... if I stick with Apple).
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#18788

In article <eImdneZt8P1kKPrPnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <2013102221160474069-email@domaincom>,
>  Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:
> 
> > I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to 
> > launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error 
> > message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was 
> > removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work 
> > under OS 10.9?
> 
>   Is there a good (or at least useable) option?

Thoth 1.9 seems to work under Mavericks. It launched and started
downloading the group list from news.individual.net and messages for
one newsgroup. That is all the time I had for testing this morning
after downloading Mavericks over night.

Available here:

<https://www.macupdate.com/app/iphone/22394/thoth>

-- 
Jim Gibson

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#18820

In article <251020131054111373%jimsgibson@gmail.com>, Jim Gibson
<jimsgibson@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <eImdneZt8P1kKPrPnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
> Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <2013102221160474069-email@domaincom>,
> >  Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to 
> > > launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error 
> > > message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was 
> > > removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work 
> > > under OS 10.9?
> > 
> >   Is there a good (or at least useable) option?
> 
> Thoth 1.9 seems to work under Mavericks. It launched and started
> downloading the group list from news.individual.net and messages for
> one newsgroup. That is all the time I had for testing this morning
> after downloading Mavericks over night.
> 
> Available here:
> 
> <https://www.macupdate.com/app/iphone/22394/thoth>

I got the trial also, works quite well though the setup is the same old
convoluted crap it has always been.

Overall very MT-Newswatcher like as you would expect.

Don't know if I'll end up buying it as I have bought Unison which is
very nice also and more than good enough for text usenet, which is all
I do.

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#18698

In article <2013102221160474069-email@domaincom>,
 Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:

> I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to 
> launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error 
> message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was 
> removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work 
> under OS 10.9?

Looks like I'll be moving to tin/slrn or something similar soon...

-- 
Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me.
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM
filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting
messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google
Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts.

JR

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#18703

On 2013-10-23 17:44, Jolly Roger wrote:
> In article <2013102221160474069-email@domaincom>,
>   Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:
>
>> I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to
>> launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error
>> message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was
>> removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work
>> under OS 10.9?
>
> Looks like I'll be moving to tin/slrn or something similar soon...

Right, thanks. Seems lots of people will go to the command line.  That's 
good, that means we have each other to work out the kinks in the 
transition :)



-- 
Sandman[.net]

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#18705

In article <5267F060.9000004@mrsandman.mid.individual.net>,
 Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> On 2013-10-23 17:44, Jolly Roger wrote:
> > In article <2013102221160474069-email@domaincom>,
> >   Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to
> >> launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error
> >> message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was
> >> removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work
> >> under OS 10.9?
> >
> > Looks like I'll be moving to tin/slrn or something similar soon...
> 
> Right, thanks. Seems lots of people will go to the command line.  That's 
> good, that means we have each other to work out the kinks in the 
> transition :)

Indeed. I've been putting it off for years, myself.

-- 
Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me.
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM
filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting
messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google
Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts.

JR

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#18707

> Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts.

Am I correctt in thinking Hogwasher is also no longer working under 10.9?

Martin S Taylor

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#18710

On 2013-10-23 16:16:44 +0000, martinstaylorhypnotist@googlemail.com said:

>> 
>> Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts.
> 
> Am I correctt in thinking Hogwasher is also no longer working under 10.9?
> 
> Martin S Taylor

I just downloaded it and got an 'internal error' report when trying to 
get the list of groups.  Couldn't get past that.  I don't know if 
someone that has it already set up won't be able to use it or not.
-- 
Lloyd

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#18708

On 2013-10-23 15:53:33 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> In article <5267F060.9000004@mrsandman.mid.individual.net>,
>  Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> 
>> On 2013-10-23 17:44, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> In article <2013102221160474069-email@domaincom>,
>>> Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to
>>>> launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error
>>>> message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was
>>>> removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work
>>>> under OS 10.9?
>>> 
>>> Looks like I'll be moving to tin/slrn or something similar soon...
>> 
>> Right, thanks. Seems lots of people will go to the command line.  That's
>> good, that means we have each other to work out the kinks in the
>> transition :)
> 
> Indeed. I've been putting it off for years, myself.

While I've used command line usenet readers long ago, I have no 
intention of going back to them.

I've got a demo of Unison going now and I like what I see so far.
-- 
Lloyd

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#18721

On 2013-10-23 16:20:21 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:

> While I've used command line usenet readers long ago, I have no 
> intention of going back to them.
> 
> I've got a demo of Unison going now and I like what I see so far.

I went from gnus/emacs to Unison.

Unison suffers from a few really annoying flaws - filtering sucks, 
there's no archive of one's posts, it does not allow you to keep your 
config files in Dropbox (I tried a variety of ways, contacted the 
authors, got nowhere), and worst of all, crashes every time I invoke 
"Ignore Sender…" to add someone to my filters.  No way to mark a 
message as a "favorite" or whatever to keep it around - it's either 
read or not-read.  Saving local copies of messages can be done, but the 
saved copies are plain text files, not integrated into the UI.

Even with all that crap, I still use it.  I like the UI a whole lot.

For my needs, at this point, it generally sucks least.

I may go back to gnus, though.  I'd been running it via ssh to a remote 
machine completely maintained by someone else and it may be worth 
setting up my own local copy on OS X and just point it at the remote 
nntp, smtp, etc.  I've been a little to lazy to mess around with it in 
quite some time.

FWIW, gnus also works quite nicely as an IMAP client.  It's pretty slick.

But you have to love being in emacs.  I don't anymore, but I used to 
pretty much spend my whole day in emacs.

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#18722

On 2013-10-23 21:07:30 +0000, Bread said:

> On 2013-10-23 16:20:21 +0000, Lloyd  E Parsons said:
> 
>> While I've used command line usenet readers long ago, I have no 
>> intention of going back to them.
>> 
>> I've got a demo of Unison going now and I like what I see so far.
> 
> I went from gnus/emacs to Unison.
> 
> Unison suffers from a few really annoying flaws - filtering sucks, 
> there's no archive of one's posts, it does not allow you to keep your 
> config files in Dropbox (I tried a variety of ways, contacted the 
> authors, got nowhere), and worst of all, crashes every time I invoke 
> "Ignore Sender…" to add someone to my filters.  No way to mark a 
> message as a "favorite" or whatever to keep it around - it's either 
> read or not-read.  Saving local copies of messages can be done, but the 
> saved copies are plain text files, not integrated into the UI.
> 
> Even with all that crap, I still use it.  I like the UI a whole lot.
> 
> For my needs, at this point, it generally sucks least.
> 
> I may go back to gnus, though.  I'd been running it via ssh to a remote 
> machine completely maintained by someone else and it may be worth 
> setting up my own local copy on OS X and just point it at the remote 
> nntp, smtp, etc.  I've been a little to lazy to mess around with it in 
> quite some time.
> 
> FWIW, gnus also works quite nicely as an IMAP client.  It's pretty slick.
> 
> But you have to love being in emacs.  I don't anymore, but I used to 
> pretty much spend my whole day in emacs.

I thought about just using my local Win8.1 laptop via remote desktop 
and using Windows Live Mail since it is OK, but in the end I really use 
the MacBook Pro a whole lot more than anything else and it would be 
awkward to RDP into my Win8.1 box from away from home!  :)

And I agree, for the bugs that Unison has that don't interfere with the 
way I use a usenet client, it is more than good enough.  And I am 
really liking the interface.
-- 
Lloyd

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#18713

On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:44:53 AM UTC-7, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Looks like I'll be moving to tin/slrn or something similar soon...

I've been using tin on OS X since about 10.3, and on other platforms (might have been nn actually) since the early 1990s. Its filtering abilities are rather weak but I like everything else about it.

G.

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