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| Started by | patty1@sonic.net (Patty Winter) |
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| First post | 2013-09-28 22:35 +0000 |
| Last post | 2013-09-29 22:55 +0000 |
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Any way to get Excel to sort these numbers properly? patty1@sonic.net (Patty Winter) - 2013-09-28 22:35 +0000
Re: Any way to get Excel to sort these numbers properly? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-09-28 19:13 -0400
Re: Any way to get Excel to sort these numbers properly? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2013-09-29 00:14 +0000
Re: Any way to get Excel to sort these numbers properly? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-09-29 11:30 -0400
Re: Any way to get Excel to sort these numbers properly? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-09-29 01:56 +0000
Re: Any way to get Excel to sort these numbers properly? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2013-09-29 02:46 +0000
Re: Any way to get Excel to sort these numbers properly? Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> - 2013-09-29 08:49 -0500
Re: Any way to get Excel to sort these numbers properly? PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2013-09-29 12:05 -0400
Re: Any way to get Excel to sort these numbers properly? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2013-09-30 04:40 +0000
Re: Any way to get Excel to sort these numbers properly? PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2013-09-30 14:13 -0400
Re: Any way to get Excel to sort these numbers properly? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-01 00:13 -0400
Re: Any way to get Excel to sort these numbers properly? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2013-10-01 05:14 +0000
Re: Any way to get Excel to sort these numbers properly? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2013-09-29 22:55 +0000
| From | patty1@sonic.net (Patty Winter) |
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| Date | 2013-09-28 22:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Any way to get Excel to sort these numbers properly? |
| Message-ID | <524759b8$0$52746$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
A cousin just called with a question about using Excel to keep track of some postage-stamp collections. In some cases, he has sets of stamps that have contiguous catalog numbers, but other than the catalog number they're identical, so he doesn't want to have to list each one separately. So, for example, his catalog numbers might look like this: 41200 41201 41202-41206 41207 41208 ... However, he isn't entering them in catalog order number, so they aren't yet neatly sorted as shown above. He wants to sort the resulting spreadsheet by catalog number, but Excel is gagging on the cells that have a range of numbers. I don't use Excel much, but a few minutes of experimentation and Googling hasn't revealed a solution. The best I could accomplish was ending up with all the single-number fields properly sorted, then the range field after those. I don't know how many range fields he has; if there aren't too many, maybe he could move them manually after sorting the others. Does anyone know of a solution that would sort both types of fields properly? Is there any way to force Excel to only look at the number before the hyphen??? Patty
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2013-09-28 19:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <280920131913132734%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #17799 |
Patty Winter: > A cousin just called with a question about using Excel to > keep track of some postage-stamp collections. In some cases, > he has sets of stamps that have contiguous catalog numbers, > but other than the catalog number they're identical, so he > doesn't want to have to list each one separately. So, for > example, his catalog numbers might look like this: > > 41200 > 41201 > 41202-41206 > 41207 > 41208 > ... > > However, he isn't entering them in catalog order number, > so they aren't yet neatly sorted as shown above. He wants > to sort the resulting spreadsheet by catalog number, but > Excel is gagging on the cells that have a range of numbers. > > I don't use Excel much, but a few minutes of experimentation > and Googling hasn't revealed a solution. The best I could > accomplish was ending up with all the single-number fields > properly sorted, then the range field after those. > > I don't know how many range fields he has; if there aren't > too many, maybe he could move them manually after sorting > the others. Does anyone know of a solution that would sort > both types of fields properly? Is there any way to force > Excel to only look at the number before the hyphen??? Yes. He can enter the numbers as text. He has only to type an apostrophe in front of the numbers that do not include a range: '41200 '41201 41202-41206 '41207 '41208 41209-41211 '41202 ... Excel will not show the apostrophe in the cell, but it will be visible in the formula bar. Excel will automatically treat the ranges such as 41202-41206 as text. Then he can select the entire range of cells that he wants to sort and select the catalog number column as the sorting column (in ascending order, with "No Header Row" selected) and everything will fall into place. After the sort, with all cells still selected, there will be a yellow warning icon adjacent to the first cell. He should click on that warning icon. The message will be "Number Stored as Text," and there will be options below that message. He should select the option "Error Checking Options" and in the dialog box that opens /uncheck/ "Flag numbers formatted as text." This is quicker and easier to do than it is to explain. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 00:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <524770e3$0$52775$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #17800 |
In article <280920131913132734%star@sky.net>, Davoud <aaa@bbb.ccc> wrote: > >Yes. He can enter the numbers as text. He has only to type an >apostrophe in front of the numbers that do not include a range: > >'41200 >'41201 >41202-41206 >'41207 >'41208 >41209-41211 >'41202 >... > >Excel will not show the apostrophe in the cell, but it will be visible >in the formula bar. Excel will automatically treat the ranges such as >41202-41206 as text. Then he can select the entire range of cells that >he wants to sort and select the catalog number column as the sorting >column (in ascending order, with "No Header Row" selected) and >everything will fall into place. Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but of the five cells that I sorted, the one cell that has a range still ended up below the four cells that have single numbers. >After the sort, with all cells still >selected, there will be a yellow warning icon adjacent to the first >cell. He should click on that warning icon. The message will be "Number >Stored as Text," and there will be options below that message. He >should select the option "Error Checking Options" and in the dialog box >that opens /uncheck/ "Flag numbers formatted as text." I did that and it got rid of the little green triangles in the cells, but the one anomalistic number is still by itself at the bottom of the list. :-( Patty
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 11:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <290920131130344101%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #17801 |
Davoud: > >Yes. He can enter the numbers as text. He has only to type an > >apostrophe in front of the numbers that do not include a range: > > > >'41200 > >'41201 > >41202-41206 > >'41207 > >'41208 > >41209-41211 > >'41202 > >... > > > >Excel will not show the apostrophe in the cell, but it will be visible > >in the formula bar. Excel will automatically treat the ranges such as > >41202-41206 as text. Then he can select the entire range of cells that > >he wants to sort and select the catalog number column as the sorting > >column (in ascending order, with "No Header Row" selected) and > >everything will fall into place. Patty Winter: > Okay, I don't know what I did wrong, but of the five cells that I > sorted, the one cell that has a range still ended up below the four > cells that have single numbers. Davoud: > >After the sort, with all cells still > >selected, there will be a yellow warning icon adjacent to the first > >cell. He should click on that warning icon. The message will be "Number > >Stored as Text," and there will be options below that message. He > >should select the option "Error Checking Options" and in the dialog box > >that opens /uncheck/ "Flag numbers formatted as text." Patty Winter: > I did that and it got rid of the little green triangles in the cells, > but the one anomalistic number is still by itself at the bottom of > the list. :-( I'm sorry that I can't help from afar. I have tried this repeatedly and it works for me every time. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 01:56 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl4f25u.nvq.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #17799 |
In message <524759b8$0$52746$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Patty Winter <patty1@sonic.net> wrote: > A cousin just called with a question about using Excel to > keep track of some postage-stamp collections. In some cases, > he has sets of stamps that have contiguous catalog numbers, > but other than the catalog number they're identical, so he > doesn't want to have to list each one separately. So, for > example, his catalog numbers might look like this: Format the column as text instead of numbers -- Forgive your enemies, but remember their names.
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 02:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5247948a$0$52817$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #17804 |
In article <slrnl4f25u.nvq.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > >Format the column as text instead of numbers Thanks, but that was the first thing we tried. Patty
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| From | Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 08:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mstorkamp-96677F.08491729092013@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #17799 |
In article <524759b8$0$52746$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, patty1@sonic.net (Patty Winter) wrote: > A cousin just called with a question about using Excel to > keep track of some postage-stamp collections. In some cases, > he has sets of stamps that have contiguous catalog numbers, > but other than the catalog number they're identical, so he > doesn't want to have to list each one separately. So, for > example, his catalog numbers might look like this: > > 41200 > 41201 > 41202-41206 > 41207 > 41208 > ... > > However, he isn't entering them in catalog order number, > so they aren't yet neatly sorted as shown above. He wants > to sort the resulting spreadsheet by catalog number, but > Excel is gagging on the cells that have a range of numbers. > > I don't use Excel much, but a few minutes of experimentation > and Googling hasn't revealed a solution. The best I could > accomplish was ending up with all the single-number fields > properly sorted, then the range field after those. > > I don't know how many range fields he has; if there aren't > too many, maybe he could move them manually after sorting > the others. Does anyone know of a solution that would sort > both types of fields properly? Is there any way to force > Excel to only look at the number before the hyphen??? > > > Patty Two possible ways to do this: 1) Use two columns instead of 1, putting the start of the range in the first column and the end of the range into the second column, then sort on the first column. 2) Create a hidden column with a formula such as '=LEFT($A1,5)', then sort on the hidden column.
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| From | PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 12:05 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l29j4l$v8l$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #17815 |
Mark Storkamp wrote: > In article <524759b8$0$52746$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, > patty1@sonic.net (Patty Winter) wrote: > >> A cousin just called with a question about using Excel to >> keep track of some postage-stamp collections. In some cases, >> he has sets of stamps that have contiguous catalog numbers, >> but other than the catalog number they're identical, so he >> doesn't want to have to list each one separately. So, for >> example, his catalog numbers might look like this: >> >> 41200 >> 41201 >> 41202-41206 >> 41207 >> 41208 >> ... >> >> However, he isn't entering them in catalog order number, >> so they aren't yet neatly sorted as shown above. He wants >> to sort the resulting spreadsheet by catalog number, but >> Excel is gagging on the cells that have a range of numbers. >> >> I don't use Excel much, but a few minutes of experimentation >> and Googling hasn't revealed a solution. The best I could >> accomplish was ending up with all the single-number fields >> properly sorted, then the range field after those. >> >> I don't know how many range fields he has; if there aren't >> too many, maybe he could move them manually after sorting >> the others. Does anyone know of a solution that would sort >> both types of fields properly? Is there any way to force >> Excel to only look at the number before the hyphen??? >> >> >> Patty > > Two possible ways to do this: > > 1) Use two columns instead of 1, putting the start of the range in the > first column and the end of the range into the second column, then sort > on the first column. > > 2) Create a hidden column with a formula such as '=LEFT($A1,5)', then > sort on the hidden column. > As long as its individual numbers it will sort easily the complex number will not sort the way you want. See this Movie I created: http://www.screencast.com/t/YGijcRL4d It will time out in 30 days. Note its based on Mac. I am sure PC is similar though names may be different and layout may look different. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjonescet@comcast.net
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-30 04:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <524900ad$0$52757$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #17817 |
In article <l29j4l$v8l$1@news.albasani.net>, PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> wrote: > >As long as its individual numbers it will sort easily the complex number >will not sort the way you want. See this Movie I created: >http://www.screencast.com/t/YGijcRL4d Yes, that's exactly the problem I encountered when I did those steps. The single numbers sorted fine, but the range ended up at the bottom. :-( Thank you for making that movie. Patty
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| From | PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2013-09-30 14:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <l2cf11$jgb$1@news.albasani.net> |
| In reply to | #17835 |
Patty Winter wrote: > In article <l29j4l$v8l$1@news.albasani.net>, > PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> As long as its individual numbers it will sort easily the complex number >> will not sort the way you want. See this Movie I created: >> http://www.screencast.com/t/YGijcRL4d > > Yes, that's exactly the problem I encountered when I did those > steps. The single numbers sorted fine, but the range ended up > at the bottom. :-( > > Thank you for making that movie. > > > Patty > Now if there are multiple Complex numbers they will be sorted as well but will fall to the bottom after all the single or simple numbers. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjonescet@comcast.net
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-01 00:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <011020130013235907%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #17835 |
Patty Winter: > Yes, that's exactly the problem I encountered when I did those > steps. The single numbers sorted fine, but the range ended up > at the bottom. :-( One more time: enter the numbers as text and the sort /will/ work. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-01 05:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <524a5a40$0$52779$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #17865 |
In article <011020130013235907%star@sky.net>, Davoud <aaa@bbb.ccc> wrote: >Patty Winter: >> Yes, that's exactly the problem I encountered when I did those >> steps. The single numbers sorted fine, but the range ended up >> at the bottom. :-( > >One more time: enter the numbers as text and the sort /will/ work. One more time: sorry, but that was the first thing we tried, even before I posted my query to this group. Patty
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2013-09-29 22:55 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <5248afcb$0$52806$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #17815 |
In article <mstorkamp-96677F.08491729092013@news.eternal-september.org>, Mark Storkamp <mstorkamp@yahoo.com> wrote: > >Two possible ways to do this: > >1) Use two columns instead of 1, putting the start of the range in the >first column and the end of the range into the second column, then sort >on the first column. Ah, very clever! >2) Create a hidden column with a formula such as '=LEFT($A1,5)', then >sort on the hidden column. Does "($A1,5)" mean sort on the first five digits starting with cell A1? I found out from him last night that his catalog numbers actually only have four digits, so "($A1,4)" would do the trick, right? Patty
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