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  Replying to your own message in Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-03-15 23:53 -0400
    Re: Replying to your own message in Mail dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-03-16 17:20 +1100
      Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-03-16 03:41 -0400
        Re: Replying to your own message in Mail dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-03-16 20:54 +1100
        Re: Replying to your own message in Mail mcarels@xs4all.nl (Maarten Carels) - 2012-03-16 11:13 +0100
          Re: Replying to your own message in Mail dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-03-16 21:55 +1100
            Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-03-16 12:46 -0400
              Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-16 17:08 +0000
                Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-03-16 13:13 -0400
          Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2012-03-16 13:02 +0000
          Re: Replying to your own message in Mail "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-03-16 20:34 +0000
            Re: Replying to your own message in Mail dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-03-17 08:47 +1100
              Re: Replying to your own message in Mail "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2012-03-17 21:26 +0000
        Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Richard H <Richard.H@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-19 17:03 +0000
    Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2012-03-16 13:02 +0000
    Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com> - 2012-03-16 11:49 -0600
      Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-03-16 15:11 -0400
        Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com> - 2012-03-16 14:35 -0600
          Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2012-03-16 16:55 -0400
    Re: Replying to your own message in Mail "Wayne C. Morris" <wayne.morris@this.is.invalid> - 2012-03-16 15:06 -0500
    Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Sara <saramerriman@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-03-21 14:53 +0000
    Re: Replying to your own message in Mail jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-03-22 16:02 +1300
      Re: Replying to your own message in Mail PhillipJones <pjones1@kimbanet.com> - 2012-03-21 23:19 -0400
        Re: Replying to your own message in Mail jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-03-22 16:23 +1300
          Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Phillip Jones <pjones1@kimbanet.com> - 2012-03-22 00:02 -0400
            Re: Replying to your own message in Mail jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-03-22 19:52 +1300
              Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-22 11:11 +0000
              Re: Replying to your own message in Mail PhillipJones <pjones1@kimbanet.com> - 2012-03-22 10:09 -0400
                Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2012-03-22 11:28 -0400
                  Re: Replying to your own message in Mail jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-03-23 06:04 +1300
                    Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Phillip Jones <pjones1@kimbanet.com> - 2012-03-22 13:21 -0400
                      Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2012-03-22 18:01 +0000
                        Re: Replying to your own message in Mail PhillipJones <pjones1@kimbanet.com> - 2012-03-22 20:41 -0400
                      Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2012-03-26 07:51 -0700
                        Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2012-03-26 18:36 +0000
                        Re: Replying to your own message in Mail jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-03-27 08:11 +1300
                          Re: Replying to your own message in Mail PhillipJones <pjones1@kimbanet.com> - 2012-03-26 20:48 -0400
                            Re: Replying to your own message in Mail jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-03-27 18:02 +1300
                            Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-03-28 17:04 -0700
                          Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-03-28 17:00 -0700
                            Re: Replying to your own message in Mail jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-03-29 15:34 +1300
                            Re: Replying to your own message in Mail dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2012-03-29 15:47 +1100
                            Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> - 2012-03-29 10:46 +0200
                            Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2012-03-29 21:35 +0000
                              Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2012-03-29 15:20 -0700
          Re: Replying to your own message in Mail PhillipJones <pjones1@kimbanet.com> - 2012-03-22 10:05 -0400
            Re: Replying to your own message in Mail jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2012-03-23 06:04 +1300
        Re: Replying to your own message in Mail Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com> - 2012-03-22 08:31 -0600

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#8731

Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:

> On 2012-03-26 19:11:56 +0000, Jamie Kahn Genet said:
> 
> > But why would I need my web browser and email client in the same app? Or
> > web browser and FTP? Or email and usenet? It's not like I'm building a
> > document that embeds parts of each.
> 
> There are a couple of pretty good arguments for e-mail/usenet to be one
> app.  Not the least of which is that you may be replying by e-mail to a
> usenet article, or cc'ing by e-mail while posting.  Moreover, in terms
> of processing/parsing/etc, there is a certain amount of overlap in 
> things like how headers are managed.

With Gmail/Google Apps email you can use the google SMTP server and have
it copy the message to your sent folder, which is then synced to your
IMAP clients :-) Maybe other services offer something similar? I don't
know. But I find this very handy when I email and post or email reply to
a post in MacSOUP (though I do have to use a proxy to communicate with
google's secure SMTP server).

> That said, I can't think of a good combination e-mail/usenet client 
> that I've used since the days I used something built into emacs.  
> Thunderbird's usenet client was horrible and at this point, I like 
> Apple's Mail.app a lot better than TBird, too (that wasn't always the
> case).

I once used MacSOUP as my primary email client and found it excellent
with it's fantastic filtering, threading (I follow a bunch of mailing
lists too) and clean simple UI, but the influx of HTML and the
advantages of IMAP were overwhelming.

While I lamented the lacklustre threading and filtering in Apple Mail II
still find it shocking MacSOUP's bare bones email client is so much
better than modern clients in these areas!), it is my primary client
nowadays, with the Google Apps web-based email client being used away
from my desktop.

> Why anyone wants his web browser to also be his e-mail client and/or 
> FTP client, I do not know.

FTP in particular is usually subpar in suites, IME. I heart good old
Fetch :-) Been using it almost non-stop since the 90's.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#8732

In article <jl08mg$87t$1@reader1.panix.com>,
 Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:

> That said, I can't think of a good combination e-mail/usenet client 
> that I've used since the days I used something built into emacs.

On OS 9 I happily used Outlook Express. And just look at me, did it do 
me any harm? You know what? It increased my sex appeal!

-- 
dorayme

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#8733

On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:00:16 -0700, Bread wrote:

> On 2012-03-26 19:11:56 +0000, Jamie Kahn Genet said:
> 
>> But why would I need my web browser and email client in the same app?
>> Or web browser and FTP? Or email and usenet? It's not like I'm building
>> a document that embeds parts of each.
> 
> There are a couple of pretty good arguments for e-mail/usenet to be one
> app.  Not the least of which is that you may be replying by e-mail to a
> usenet article, or cc'ing by e-mail while posting.  Moreover, in terms
> of processing/parsing/etc, there is a certain amount of overlap in
> things like how headers are managed.

Yes I had such a beast in the late 1990s.  Unfortunately it's disappeared 
now.
 
> That said, I can't think of a good combination e-mail/usenet client that
> I've used since the days I used something built into emacs.
> Thunderbird's usenet client was horrible and at this point, I like
> Apple's Mail.app a lot better than TBird, too (that wasn't always the
> case).

Thunderbird's usenet component always struck me as being a poor cousin to 
the mail side of things.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#8750

Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:
> On 2012-03-26 19:11:56 +0000, Jamie Kahn Genet said:
> 
>> But why would I need my web browser and email client in the same app? Or
>> web browser and FTP? Or email and usenet? It's not like I'm building a
>> document that embeds parts of each.
> 
> There are a couple of pretty good arguments for e-mail/usenet to be one
> app.  Not the least of which is that you may be replying by e-mail to a
> usenet article, or cc'ing by e-mail while posting.  Moreover, in terms of
> processing/parsing/etc, there is a certain amount of overlap in things
> like how headers are managed.
> 
> That said, I can't think of a good combination e-mail/usenet client that
> I've used since the days I used something built into emacs. 
> Thunderbird's usenet client was horrible and at this point, I like
> Apple's Mail.app a lot better than TBird, too (that wasn't always the case).
> 
> Why anyone wants his web browser to also be his e-mail client and/or FTP
> client, I do not know.

I'm a bit puzzled. I can reply to any newsgroup via e-mail, whether NewsTap
on my iPad or MTNW on my computer. It goes out from Mail in either case.
-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#8753

On 2012-03-29 21:35:36 +0000, Erilar said:

> Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> wrote:
>> On 2012-03-26 19:11:56 +0000, Jamie Kahn Genet said:
>> 
>>> But why would I need my web browser and email client in the same app? Or
>>> web browser and FTP? Or email and usenet? It's not like I'm building a
>>> document that embeds parts of each.
>> 
>> There are a couple of pretty good arguments for e-mail/usenet to be one
>> app.  Not the least of which is that you may be replying by e-mail to a
>> usenet article, or cc'ing by e-mail while posting.  Moreover, in terms of
>> processing/parsing/etc, there is a certain amount of overlap in things
>> like how headers are managed.
>> 
> I'm a bit puzzled. I can reply to any newsgroup via e-mail, whether NewsTap
> on my iPad or MTNW on my computer. It goes out from Mail in either case.

Used to be that you could add a Cc: line, for example, to a usenet post 
and it would go both to the newsgroup *and* out via e-mail.  E-mail and 
usenet posts have a *lot* in common, from handling threading, 
MIME-encoding, general use of headers, etc.

Anyway, while there's little that's horrible about spawning off a call 
to an outside mail program if you reply to a post by mail-only, 
replying both to the group and mail (some folks used to cc: themselves 
to keep copies of everything they posted), gets unwieldy.

The days of advantages to integrated programs are dwindling, though, 
and as I said, there hasn't been a very good usenet/mail program in a 
long time (and never, as far as I can tell, one with a GUI).

That all said, Newstap, while our only option on iOS devices, is really 
barely workable.  I tried, paid, tired, and now just let it rot on my 
machine.  On the desktop, I'm using Unison right now, and it's mostly 
pretty good, but it has some serious shortcomings as well.  In many 
ways, I miss the way I'd been doing things until very recently, via a 
newsreader inside of emacs.

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#8548

Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> PhillipJones<pjones1@kimbanet.com>  wrote:
>
>> Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
>>> Barry Margolin<barmar@alum.mit.edu>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm still using Snow Leopard, I wonder if Apple has fixed this in Lion.
>>>> This is one of the few things I think MS Entourage and Outlook get right.
>>>>
>>>> If I reply to a message in my Sent folder, Mail sends the reply to me,
>>>> CC'ing the original recipients if I do a Reply All.  What I really
>>>> intend when I do this is to add to my earlier reply, sending to the same
>>>> recipients as previously.  I could go back to their message and reply to
>>>> it, but then my first reply wouldn't be included.
>>>>
>>>> Why would I actually want to send the reply to *myself*?
>>>
>>> You need<http://www.cs.unc.edu/~welch/MailFollowup/>
>>    In many cases for example (in SeaMonkey and Thunderbird) for Blind
>> Carbon Copy (BCC:) to work you *must* send item to yourself.
>>
>> example:
>>
>> To: Your email Address
>> BCC: Group address.
>>
>> For normal CC
>>
>> To: First person in your list
>> CC: People you want to CC or Group.
>
> Huh? My link above is for MailFollowUp.mailbundle which adds a FollowUp
> command/button that replies using the original recipients, thus
> addressing the OP's needs.
Followup is used in Newsgroups. You want to move a tpic from one 
newsgroup to another you use followup.

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#8559

PhillipJones <pjones1@kimbanet.com> wrote:

> Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> > PhillipJones<pjones1@kimbanet.com>  wrote:
> >
> >> Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> >>> Barry Margolin<barmar@alum.mit.edu>   wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I'm still using Snow Leopard, I wonder if Apple has fixed this in Lion.
> >>>> This is one of the few things I think MS Entourage and Outlook get right.
> >>>>
> >>>> If I reply to a message in my Sent folder, Mail sends the reply to me,
> >>>> CC'ing the original recipients if I do a Reply All.  What I really
> >>>> intend when I do this is to add to my earlier reply, sending to the same
> >>>> recipients as previously.  I could go back to their message and reply to
> >>>> it, but then my first reply wouldn't be included.
> >>>>
> >>>> Why would I actually want to send the reply to *myself*?
> >>>
> >>> You need<http://www.cs.unc.edu/~welch/MailFollowup/>
> >>    In many cases for example (in SeaMonkey and Thunderbird) for Blind
> >> Carbon Copy (BCC:) to work you *must* send item to yourself.
> >>
> >> example:
> >>
> >> To: Your email Address
> >> BCC: Group address.
> >>
> >> For normal CC
> >>
> >> To: First person in your list
> >> CC: People you want to CC or Group.
> >
> > Huh? My link above is for MailFollowUp.mailbundle which adds a FollowUp
> > command/button that replies using the original recipients, thus
> > addressing the OP's needs.
> Followup is used in Newsgroups. You want to move a tpic from one 
> newsgroup to another you use followup.

That's nice. I recently noticed grass is green as well. Meanwhile in
email the Apple Mail MailFollowUp.mailbundle allows one to add 'Follow'
and 'Follow all' to the standard set of actions - 'Reply', 'Forward',
etc. This allows one to follow up on a email you've sent yourself, and
not end up addressing it to yourself.
-- 
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#8551

On 2012-03-21 9:19 PM  PhillipJones wrote:
>  In many cases for example (in SeaMonkey and Thunderbird) for Blind Carbon Copy (BCC:) to 
> work you *must* send item to yourself. 
Thunderbird will send emails to Bcc or Cc without anything in the To field.

-- 
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Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada
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