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  Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-01 22:57 -0500
    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-01 23:59 -0400
      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-01 21:12 -0700
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 00:25 -0400
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-02 17:07 +1200
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-06-06 19:24 -0700
            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 14:49 +1200
      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-06-01 21:41 -0700
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-02 17:01 +1200
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 01:12 -0400
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-06-01 23:19 -0700
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2018-06-09 09:55 -0400
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-09 17:13 -0400
            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-09 17:23 -0400
              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-09 17:57 -0700
                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-09 21:06 -0400
                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-09 22:15 -0700
                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-10 18:33 +1200
                      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-10 14:08 -0700
                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-11 09:26 +1200
                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-10 14:52 -0700
                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-11 11:49 +1200
                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-11 03:47 +0000
                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-10 21:43 +0000
                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-10 14:53 -0700
                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-11 12:24 +1200
                              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-10 17:48 -0700
                                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-11 13:20 +1200
                                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-10 18:26 -0700
                                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-11 13:36 +1200
                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-10 18:12 -0400
                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-11 12:03 +1200
                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? rlhamil@smart.net (Richard L. Hamilton) - 2018-06-13 19:43 +0000
                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-10 08:48 -0400
                      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-17 17:14 +0000
                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-17 15:04 -0400
                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-17 22:22 +0000
                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-17 18:36 -0400
                              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-18 00:45 +0000
                                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-17 20:57 -0400
                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-10 13:49 +1200
            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-10 10:35 +1200
      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-02 01:29 -0500
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-06-02 00:02 -0700
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-03 11:50 +1200
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2018-06-05 10:54 +0200
            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 09:23 +1200
            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-06-05 20:06 -0700
              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2018-06-07 02:53 +0200
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 09:03 -0400
        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-02 11:40 -0500
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-02 13:22 -0400
            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-02 18:43 -0500
              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2018-06-03 02:11 -0700
                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-03 11:48 -0700
                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2018-06-03 12:58 -0700
                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-04 09:01 +1200
                      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2018-06-03 14:37 -0700
                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-04 12:51 +1200
                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:13 +0000
                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-05 18:39 -0700
                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-06-05 21:44 -0400
                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 15:21 +1200
                              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2018-06-07 02:55 +0200
                                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 18:33 +1200
                                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-07 16:09 +0000
                                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-17 18:15 +0000
                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-06 06:41 +0000
                              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-06 10:10 -0700
                                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 09:14 +1200
                                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2018-06-06 17:20 -0400
                                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 14:44 +1200
                                      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2018-06-07 04:29 +0000
                                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-06 21:36 -0700
                                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2018-06-07 05:01 +0000
                                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-06 22:38 -0700
                                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-07 18:27 +1200
                                          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-07 12:06 -0700
                                            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-08 09:30 +1200
                                              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-07 16:44 -0700
                                                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2018-06-08 00:50 +0000
                                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-07 13:53 +1200
                                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-06-06 19:10 -0700
                                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-17 17:08 +0000
              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-06-05 10:11 +0000
          Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-03 11:48 +1200
            Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-02 19:23 -0500
              Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-03 23:14 -0500
                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2018-06-04 17:12 +1200
                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-04 19:13 +1200
                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-04 02:43 -0500
                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-05 03:40 -0500
                Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-04 19:09 +1200
                  Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-04 02:44 -0500
                    Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-05 08:55 +1200
                      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2018-06-05 02:44 -0500
                        Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-06-06 09:25 +1200
      Re: Is there no way to rotate recorded videos in Mac OS Sierra v10.12.6's Photos app like with photos? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2018-06-05 10:50 +0200

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#42911

On 2018-06-10 21:26:02 +0000, Your Name said:

> On 2018-06-10 21:08:57 +0000, gtr said:
>> On 2018-06-10 06:33:17 +0000, Your Name said:
>>> On 2018-06-10 05:15:35 +0000, gtr said:
>>>> On 2018-06-10 01:06:49 +0000, nospam said:
>>>>> In article <pfht1g$aau$1@news.albasani.net>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Would it be fair to state that the replacement for Quicktime 7 Pro is
>>>>>>>> iMovie ?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the replacement for quicktime 7 pro is quicktime x.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> unfortunately, it's a downgrade.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But using a car with a tricycle isn't really a "replacement", per se.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
>>>>>> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake, mp4tools,
>>>>>> mp4joiner and the like.
>>>>> 
>>>>> those are apps.
>>>>> 
>>>>> quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
>>>>> its replacement is quicktime x.
>>> 
>>> Quicktime 7 *was* part of the operating system and there may be some 
>>> legacy parts still left over in High Sierra (10.13), but Quicktime X 
>>> technically replaced it way back in 2009 - nearly 10 years ago. 
>>> (Admittedly the last update to Quicktime 7 was January 2016 though.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
>>>>> might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
>>>> 
>>>> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
>>> 
>>> Nothing relatively new and a lot of it probably doesn't even still work 
>>> on the newer macOS versions for various reasons.
>> 
>> What would those bee?
>> 
>> If I understand correctly, the point above is that QT7 was *systemic*, 
>> not simply a stand-alone app.  As such it was then relaced for 
>> *systemic use* by QTX, not simply a stand-alone app.  As a systemic 
>> mechanism, I'm wondering what app(s) make (made?) systemic currently 
>> use of QTX, and demonstrate its not-just-app utility.
> 
> "Quicktime" is a large set of routines and they are used by various 
> apps, and not just for video. Nobody would be able to give you a 
> definitive list of which apps use the Quicktime routines, let alone 
> which ones still use version 7 instead of version X. Any proerly 
> written new app will be using Quicktime X.
> 
> The problem for some people is the Quicktime *PLayer* 7 app because 
> they still use it for the editing functions which are not available in 
> the Quicktime *Player* X app. The Quicktime *Player* 7 app is not 
> 64-bit, so one of of the many old apps that
> may start having problems in macOS 10.14 ('Mojave') and won't work at 
> all in 10.15 ... and the same will be true for many, if not all, of the 
> old apps that use Quicktime 7 routines.

Many old apps like... which ones again?

> The reality is that the OS moves on. Old apps stop working and you need 
> to upgrade or replace those as well. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade, 
> at least not until your computer dies and you buy a new one.

Who asked for a definitive list? I get it: Too many to name a few. 

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#42915

On 2018-06-10 21:52:10 +0000, gtr said:
> On 2018-06-10 21:26:02 +0000, Your Name said:
>> On 2018-06-10 21:08:57 +0000, gtr said:
>>> On 2018-06-10 06:33:17 +0000, Your Name said:
>>>> On 2018-06-10 05:15:35 +0000, gtr said:
>>>>> On 2018-06-10 01:06:49 +0000, nospam said:
>>>>>> In article <pfht1g$aau$1@news.albasani.net>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Would it be fair to state that the replacement for Quicktime 7 Pro is
>>>>>>>>> iMovie ?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> the replacement for quicktime 7 pro is quicktime x.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> unfortunately, it's a downgrade.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But using a car with a tricycle isn't really a "replacement", per se.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
>>>>>>> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake, mp4tools,
>>>>>>> mp4joiner and the like.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> those are apps.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
>>>>>> its replacement is quicktime x.
>>>> 
>>>> Quicktime 7 *was* part of the operating system and there may be some 
>>>> legacy parts still left over in High Sierra (10.13), but Quicktime X 
>>>> technically replaced it way back in 2009 - nearly 10 years ago. 
>>>> (Admittedly the last update to Quicktime 7 was January 2016 though.)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
>>>>>> might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
>>>> 
>>>> Nothing relatively new and a lot of it probably doesn't even still work 
>>>> on the newer macOS versions for various reasons.
>>> 
>>> What would those bee?
>>> 
>>> If I understand correctly, the point above is that QT7 was *systemic*, 
>>> not simply a stand-alone app.  As such it was then relaced for 
>>> *systemic use* by QTX, not simply a stand-alone app.  As a systemic 
>>> mechanism, I'm wondering what app(s) make (made?) systemic currently 
>>> use of QTX, and demonstrate its not-just-app utility.
>> 
>> "Quicktime" is a large set of routines and they are used by various 
>> apps, and not just for video. Nobody would be able to give you a 
>> definitive list of which apps use the Quicktime routines, let alone 
>> which ones still use version 7 instead of version X. Any proerly 
>> written new app will be using Quicktime X.
>> 
>> The problem for some people is the Quicktime *PLayer* 7 app because 
>> they still use it for the editing functions which are not available in 
>> the Quicktime *Player* X app. The Quicktime *Player* 7 app is not 
>> 64-bit, so one of of the many old apps that
>> may start having problems in macOS 10.14 ('Mojave') and won't work at 
>> all in 10.15 ... and the same will be true for many, if not all, of the 
>> old apps that use Quicktime 7 routines.
> 
> Many old apps like... which ones again?
> 
>> The reality is that the OS moves on. Old apps stop working and you need 
>> to upgrade or replace those as well. Nobody is forcing you to upgrade, 
>> at least not until your computer dies and you buy a new one.
> 
> Who asked for a definitive list? I get it: Too many to name a few.

Only the developers will know for certain, and only for their app(s).

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#42922

On 2018-06-10, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2018-06-10 21:26:02 +0000, Your Name said:
>> On 2018-06-10 21:08:57 +0000, gtr said:
>>> On 2018-06-10 06:33:17 +0000, Your Name said:
>>>> On 2018-06-10 05:15:35 +0000, gtr said:
>>>>> 
>>>>> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
>>>> 
>>>> Nothing relatively new and a lot of it probably doesn't even still work 
>>>> on the newer macOS versions for various reasons.
>>> 
>>> What would those bee?
>>> 
>>> If I understand correctly, the point above is that QT7 was *systemic*, 
>>> not simply a stand-alone app.  As such it was then relaced for 
>>> *systemic use* by QTX, not simply a stand-alone app.  As a systemic 
>>> mechanism, I'm wondering what app(s) make (made?) systemic currently 
>>> use of QTX, and demonstrate its not-just-app utility.
>> 
>> "Quicktime" is a large set of routines and they are used by various 
>> apps, and not just for video. Nobody would be able to give you a 
>> definitive list of which apps use the Quicktime routines, let alone 
>> which ones still use version 7 instead of version X. Any proerly 
>> written new app will be using Quicktime X.
>> 
>> The problem for some people is the Quicktime *PLayer* 7 app because 
>> they still use it for the editing functions which are not available in 
>> the Quicktime *Player* X app. The Quicktime *Player* 7 app is not 
>> 64-bit, so one of of the many old apps that
>> may start having problems in macOS 10.14 ('Mojave') and won't work at 
>> all in 10.15 ... and the same will be true for many, if not all, of the 
>> old apps that use Quicktime 7 routines.
>
> Many old apps like... which ones again?

Many Mac apps that displayed animation/video prior to 2009 used
QuickTime APIs, and many of them continued past 2010. You can no doubt
run many of those older versions still today (QuickTime Player 7 being
one example). But most any app in that category that has been updated in
recent years now uses AV Foundation APIs instead. 

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#42909

On 2018-06-10, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2018-06-10 06:33:17 +0000, Your Name said:
>> On 2018-06-10 05:15:35 +0000, gtr said:
>>> 
>>> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
>> 
>> Nothing relatively new and a lot of it probably doesn't even still work 
>> on the newer macOS versions for various reasons.
>
> What would those bee?
>
> If I understand correctly, the point above is that QT7 was *systemic*, 
> not simply a stand-alone app.

No, it was an old app that used old APIs. It's not complicated: 

* "QuickTime Player 7" is an app that uses the older QuickTime APIs. 
* Third-party apps can also use those older QuickTime APIs. 
* Those older QuickTime APIs have been deprecated for a long time.
* Apple has replaced them with newer APIs - namely "AV Foundation". 
* Up-to-date apps use AV Foundation these days, including the newer
"QuickTime Player" app in more recent versions of macOS. 

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#42912

On 2018-06-10 21:43:50 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> On 2018-06-10, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> On 2018-06-10 06:33:17 +0000, Your Name said:
>>> On 2018-06-10 05:15:35 +0000, gtr said:
>>>> 
>>>> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
>>> 
>>> Nothing relatively new and a lot of it probably doesn't even still work
>>> on the newer macOS versions for various reasons.
>> 
>> What would those bee?
>> 
>> If I understand correctly, the point above is that QT7 was *systemic*,
>> not simply a stand-alone app.
> 
> No, it was an old app that used old APIs. It's not complicated:
> 
> * "QuickTime Player 7" is an app that uses the older QuickTime APIs.
> * Third-party apps can also use those older QuickTime APIs.
> * Those older QuickTime APIs have been deprecated for a long time.
> * Apple has replaced them with newer APIs - namely "AV Foundation".
> * Up-to-date apps use AV Foundation these days, including the newer
> "QuickTime Player" app in more recent versions of macOS.

I think I get the entire concept now.  I'm just wondering what 
programs, discontinued, deprecated, unsupported--I just wonder for 
example what they might be, other than of course QuickTime Players of 
any variety.

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#42917

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2018-06-10 21:43:50 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
> 
> > On 2018-06-10, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> >> On 2018-06-10 06:33:17 +0000, Your Name said:
> >>> On 2018-06-10 05:15:35 +0000, gtr said:
> >>>> 
> >>>> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
> >>> 
> >>> Nothing relatively new and a lot of it probably doesn't even still work
> >>> on the newer macOS versions for various reasons.
> >> 
> >> What would those bee?
> >> 
> >> If I understand correctly, the point above is that QT7 was *systemic*,
> >> not simply a stand-alone app.
> > 
> > No, it was an old app that used old APIs. It's not complicated:
> > 
> > * "QuickTime Player 7" is an app that uses the older QuickTime APIs.
> > * Third-party apps can also use those older QuickTime APIs.
> > * Those older QuickTime APIs have been deprecated for a long time.
> > * Apple has replaced them with newer APIs - namely "AV Foundation".
> > * Up-to-date apps use AV Foundation these days, including the newer
> > "QuickTime Player" app in more recent versions of macOS.
> 
> I think I get the entire concept now.  I'm just wondering what 
> programs, discontinued, deprecated, unsupported--I just wonder for 
> example what they might be, other than of course QuickTime Players of
> any variety.

Apart from QuickTime Player 7, some I mentioned recently:

- Final Cut Pro 7 (and probably other parts of Final Cut Studio, most of
which is already broken on recent macOS versions for other reasons). The
modern Final Cut Pro does not use the old QuickTime frameworks.

- MPEG StreamClip. Not updated for many years, probably abandoned.

Less certain but at least references the QuickTime framework:

- EyeTV. Elgato sold it to Geniatech last year, and a major new version
is apparently in the works. (I've had version 3 since 2008, and it has
been regularly updated since then.)

All 32-bit frameworks will be gone in macOS 10.15 (late 2019), so any
developers who still have "supported" 32-bit applications have about a
year left to update the application to use modern frameworks (which in
some cases will involve a significant rewrite of the application).
QuickTime is just one of the 32-bit frameworks that will be going away.

Older major versions of applications are more likely to be using older
frameworks, so end users sticking to an old version are more likely to
find it is broken by macOS 10.15.

Applications abandoned by the developer are in a similar situation.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#42918

On 2018-06-11 00:24:55 +0000, David Empson said:

> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>> On 2018-06-10 21:43:50 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>> 
>>> On 2018-06-10, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-06-10 06:33:17 +0000, Your Name said:
>>>>> On 2018-06-10 05:15:35 +0000, gtr said:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Nothing relatively new and a lot of it probably doesn't even still work
>>>>> on the newer macOS versions for various reasons.
>>>> 
>>>> What would those bee?
>>>> 
>>>> If I understand correctly, the point above is that QT7 was *systemic*,
>>>> not simply a stand-alone app.
>>> 
>>> No, it was an old app that used old APIs. It's not complicated:
>>> 
>>> * "QuickTime Player 7" is an app that uses the older QuickTime APIs.
>>> * Third-party apps can also use those older QuickTime APIs.
>>> * Those older QuickTime APIs have been deprecated for a long time.
>>> * Apple has replaced them with newer APIs - namely "AV Foundation".
>>> * Up-to-date apps use AV Foundation these days, including the newer
>>> "QuickTime Player" app in more recent versions of macOS.
>> 
>> I think I get the entire concept now.  I'm just wondering what
>> programs, discontinued, deprecated, unsupported--I just wonder for
>> example what they might be, other than of course QuickTime Players of
>> any variety.
> 
> Apart from QuickTime Player 7, some I mentioned recently:
> 
> - Final Cut Pro 7 (and probably other parts of Final Cut Studio, most of
> which is already broken on recent macOS versions for other reasons). The
> modern Final Cut Pro does not use the old QuickTime frameworks.
> 
> - MPEG StreamClip. Not updated for many years, probably abandoned.
> 
> Less certain but at least references the QuickTime framework:
> 
> - EyeTV. Elgato sold it to Geniatech last year, and a major new version
> is apparently in the works. (I've had version 3 since 2008, and it has
> been regularly updated since then.)
> 
> All 32-bit frameworks will be gone in macOS 10.15 (late 2019), so any
> developers who still have "supported" 32-bit applications have about a
> year left to update the application to use modern frameworks (which in
> some cases will involve a significant rewrite of the application).
> QuickTime is just one of the 32-bit frameworks that will be going away.
> 
> Older major versions of applications are more likely to be using older
> frameworks, so end users sticking to an old version are more likely to
> find it is broken by macOS 10.15.
> 
> Applications abandoned by the developer are in a similar situation.

Thanks so much.  That was damned educatiional, particularly in the 
respect that I can throw a few mentioned apps away.  Only stored for 
throwing at inscrutable problems, I can assume they will further no 
cause.

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#42919

On 2018-06-11 00:48:48 +0000, gtr said:
> On 2018-06-11 00:24:55 +0000, David Empson said:
>> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>> On 2018-06-10 21:43:50 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>> On 2018-06-10, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-06-10 06:33:17 +0000, Your Name said:
>>>>>> On 2018-06-10 05:15:35 +0000, gtr said:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nothing relatively new and a lot of it probably doesn't even still work
>>>>>> on the newer macOS versions for various reasons.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What would those bee?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I understand correctly, the point above is that QT7 was *systemic*,
>>>>> not simply a stand-alone app.
>>>> 
>>>> No, it was an old app that used old APIs. It's not complicated:
>>>> 
>>>> * "QuickTime Player 7" is an app that uses the older QuickTime APIs.
>>>> * Third-party apps can also use those older QuickTime APIs.
>>>> * Those older QuickTime APIs have been deprecated for a long time.
>>>> * Apple has replaced them with newer APIs - namely "AV Foundation".
>>>> * Up-to-date apps use AV Foundation these days, including the newer
>>>> "QuickTime Player" app in more recent versions of macOS.
>>> 
>>> I think I get the entire concept now.  I'm just wondering what
>>> programs, discontinued, deprecated, unsupported--I just wonder for
>>> example what they might be, other than of course QuickTime Players of
>>> any variety.
>> 
>> Apart from QuickTime Player 7, some I mentioned recently:
>> 
>> - Final Cut Pro 7 (and probably other parts of Final Cut Studio, most of
>> which is already broken on recent macOS versions for other reasons). The
>> modern Final Cut Pro does not use the old QuickTime frameworks.
>> 
>> - MPEG StreamClip. Not updated for many years, probably abandoned.
>> 
>> Less certain but at least references the QuickTime framework:
>> 
>> - EyeTV. Elgato sold it to Geniatech last year, and a major new version
>> is apparently in the works. (I've had version 3 since 2008, and it has
>> been regularly updated since then.)
>> 
>> All 32-bit frameworks will be gone in macOS 10.15 (late 2019), so any
>> developers who still have "supported" 32-bit applications have about a
>> year left to update the application to use modern frameworks (which in
>> some cases will involve a significant rewrite of the application).
>> QuickTime is just one of the 32-bit frameworks that will be going away.
>> 
>> Older major versions of applications are more likely to be using older
>> frameworks, so end users sticking to an old version are more likely to
>> find it is broken by macOS 10.15.
>> 
>> Applications abandoned by the developer are in a similar situation.
> 
> Thanks so much.  That was damned educatiional, particularly in the 
> respect that I can throw a few mentioned apps away.  Only stored for 
> throwing at inscrutable problems, I can assume they will further no 
> cause.

You can still run them under the old OS if you set-up your Mac to 
dual-boot, or under virtualisation when you buy a brand new Mac 
incapable of running the old OS itself, or emulation if Apple does 
eventually change Macs over to it's own ARM chips.

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#42920

On 2018-06-11 01:20:05 +0000, Your Name said:

> On 2018-06-11 00:48:48 +0000, gtr said:
>> On 2018-06-11 00:24:55 +0000, David Empson said:
>>> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>> On 2018-06-10 21:43:50 +0000, Jolly Roger said:
>>>>> On 2018-06-10, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-06-10 06:33:17 +0000, Your Name said:
>>>>>>> On 2018-06-10 05:15:35 +0000, gtr said:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nothing relatively new and a lot of it probably doesn't even still work
>>>>>>> on the newer macOS versions for various reasons.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What would those bee?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I understand correctly, the point above is that QT7 was *systemic*,
>>>>>> not simply a stand-alone app.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, it was an old app that used old APIs. It's not complicated:
>>>>> 
>>>>> * "QuickTime Player 7" is an app that uses the older QuickTime APIs.
>>>>> * Third-party apps can also use those older QuickTime APIs.
>>>>> * Those older QuickTime APIs have been deprecated for a long time.
>>>>> * Apple has replaced them with newer APIs - namely "AV Foundation".
>>>>> * Up-to-date apps use AV Foundation these days, including the newer
>>>>> "QuickTime Player" app in more recent versions of macOS.
>>>> 
>>>> I think I get the entire concept now.  I'm just wondering what
>>>> programs, discontinued, deprecated, unsupported--I just wonder for
>>>> example what they might be, other than of course QuickTime Players of
>>>> any variety.
>>> 
>>> Apart from QuickTime Player 7, some I mentioned recently:
>>> 
>>> - Final Cut Pro 7 (and probably other parts of Final Cut Studio, most of
>>> which is already broken on recent macOS versions for other reasons). The
>>> modern Final Cut Pro does not use the old QuickTime frameworks.
>>> 
>>> - MPEG StreamClip. Not updated for many years, probably abandoned.
>>> 
>>> Less certain but at least references the QuickTime framework:
>>> 
>>> - EyeTV. Elgato sold it to Geniatech last year, and a major new version
>>> is apparently in the works. (I've had version 3 since 2008, and it has
>>> been regularly updated since then.)
>>> 
>>> All 32-bit frameworks will be gone in macOS 10.15 (late 2019), so any
>>> developers who still have "supported" 32-bit applications have about a
>>> year left to update the application to use modern frameworks (which in
>>> some cases will involve a significant rewrite of the application).
>>> QuickTime is just one of the 32-bit frameworks that will be going away.
>>> 
>>> Older major versions of applications are more likely to be using older
>>> frameworks, so end users sticking to an old version are more likely to
>>> find it is broken by macOS 10.15.
>>> 
>>> Applications abandoned by the developer are in a similar situation.
>> 
>> Thanks so much.  That was damned educatiional, particularly in the 
>> respect that I can throw a few mentioned apps away.  Only stored for 
>> throwing at inscrutable problems, I can assume they will further no 
>> cause.
> 
> You can still run them under the old OS if you set-up your Mac to 
> dual-boot, or under virtualisation when you buy a brand new Mac 
> incapable of running the old OS itself, or emulation if Apple does 
> eventually change Macs over to it's own ARM chips.

They've never been of any use, I would not shift my chair a few degrees 
off axis to use them.  They are in my digital shoebox only for what 
they *might have provided*, which know appears to be nothing.  Now they 
can be discarded.

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#42921

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> On 2018-06-11 00:24:55 +0000, David Empson said:
> 
> > All 32-bit frameworks will be gone in macOS 10.15 (late 2019), so any
> > developers who still have "supported" 32-bit applications have about a
> > year left to update the application to use modern frameworks (which in
> > some cases will involve a significant rewrite of the application).
> > QuickTime is just one of the 32-bit frameworks that will be going away.
> > 
> > Older major versions of applications are more likely to be using older
> > frameworks, so end users sticking to an old version are more likely to
> > find it is broken by macOS 10.15.
> > 
> > Applications abandoned by the developer are in a similar situation.
> 
> Thanks so much.  That was damned educatiional, particularly in the 
> respect that I can throw a few mentioned apps away.  Only stored for 
> throwing at inscrutable problems, I can assume they will further no 
> cause.

It is worth noting that if you have some occasionally useful older
applications that can operate well enough in a somewhat constrained
environment (no heavy use of GPU, moderate amount of memory), a
practical option may be to run virtual machine software with an older
version of macOS as a guest.

For example, I use this method to occasionally run old applications like
AppleWorks 6 (PowerPC only) and FileMaker Pro 11 for converting even
older file formats for other people, where the applications in question
already don't run on the current macOS version, and have either been
abandoned or later versions don't support older file formats.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#42914

On 2018-06-10 17:08, gtr wrote:

> If I understand correctly, the point above is that QT7 was *systemic*, 
> not simply a stand-alone app.

Quicktime as an application comes with the system as a "viewer". And
older version of Quicktime (version 7) had the optional purchased of a
licence which enabled certain basic editing functions.

This functionality was removed in later versions, but instead of
replacing the Quicktime app files during upgrades, it moved it to
"Utilities", while providing the newer version in "Applications".

So those who had purchased the extra license for Quicktime 7 got to
preserve this when the app was moved to Utilities and left alone.


The older versions of Quicktime application made use of the quicktime
APIs. (this includes Quicktime 7). Those APIs are going away next year,
and because Quicktime 7 is old and 32 bits, so will it.

The current version of the Quicktime viewer app is 64 bits and uses the
new 64bit APIs so will not be affected when the older apis are
widthdrawn next year.

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#42916

On 2018-06-10 22:12:34 +0000, JF Mezei said:
> On 2018-06-10 17:08, gtr wrote:
>> 
>> If I understand correctly, the point above is that QT7 was *systemic*,
>> not simply a stand-alone app.
> 
> Quicktime as an application comes with the system as a "viewer".
<snip>

*NO*, that's why people are getting confused.

"Quicktime" is the video and audio component of macOS - it's part of 
the system software and has been since before OS X.

"Quicktime Player" is Apple's viewer app, but many other apps also use 
the Quicktime system functions, and not only video / audio ones either.

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#42930

In article <mnhTC.420307$PE5.364418@fx37.iad>,
	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes:
> On 2018-06-10 17:08, gtr wrote:
> 
>> If I understand correctly, the point above is that QT7 was *systemic*, 
>> not simply a stand-alone app.
> 
> Quicktime as an application comes with the system as a "viewer". And
> older version of Quicktime (version 7) had the optional purchased of a
> licence which enabled certain basic editing functions.
> 
> This functionality was removed in later versions, but instead of
> replacing the Quicktime app files during upgrades, it moved it to
> "Utilities", while providing the newer version in "Applications".
> 
> So those who had purchased the extra license for Quicktime 7 got to
> preserve this when the app was moved to Utilities and left alone.
> 
> 
> The older versions of Quicktime application made use of the quicktime
> APIs. (this includes Quicktime 7). Those APIs are going away next year,
> and because Quicktime 7 is old and 32 bits, so will it.
> 
> The current version of the Quicktime viewer app is 64 bits and uses the
> new 64bit APIs so will not be affected when the older apis are
> widthdrawn next year.


In other words...anything that links with the QuickTime framework will
go away, right?

sh-3.2$ otool -L '/Applications/Utilities/QuickTime Player 7.app/Contents/MacOS/QuickTime Player 7'|grep -i quicktime.framework
	/System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/Versions/A/QuickTime (compatibility version 1.0.0, current version 1729.0.0)
sh-3.2$ file /System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/Versions/A/QuickTime
/System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/Versions/A/QuickTime: Mach-O dynamically linked shared library i386

(i.e. QuickTime framework is strictly 32-bit)

Now...if you want to script a check of all *.app/Contents/MacOS/* for
whether they link to that framework, be my guest.  Expect running it
to be really slow, even on a fast system.  And actually, you'd need to
check if any other executable or dylib within the app bundle was
linked to the QuickTime framework too.  There's really no easy way to
answer the question, in other words.  But since all those will be 32-bit
apps, and it IS easy to get a list of those (About This Mac ->
System Report -> Software -> Applications; stretch the window wider as needed
to see the 64-bit Yes/No column), whatever uses the old
QuickTime framework will be among those.

Looks like the old iDVD and iWeb apps (long gone) used it; also Remote Buddy,
Rezilla, the old free version of Senuti before it went commercial, etc;
some surprises in other words, not just stuff that obviously does video.

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#42905

In article <pfic5n$vb1$1@news.albasani.net>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> >> 
> >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
> >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake, mp4tools,
> >> mp4joiner and the like.
> > 
> > those are apps.
> > 
> > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
> > its replacement is quicktime x.
> > 
> > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
> > might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
> 
> What app uses qt7, I wonder?

quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.

quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.

quicktime player 7 uses quicktime 7 and will stop working when qt7
does, which will be next year, along with other apps that use qt7.

quicktime player uses quicktime x (avfoundation) and will continue to
work because qtx won't stop working.

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#42948

In message <100620180848411089%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <pfic5n$vb1$1@news.albasani.net>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

>> >> 
>> >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
>> >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake, mp4tools,
>> >> mp4joiner and the like.
>> > 
>> > those are apps.
>> > 
>> > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
>> > its replacement is quicktime x.
>> > 
>> > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
>> > might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
>> 
>> What app uses qt7, I wonder?

> quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.

WAS

> quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.

WAS

> quicktime player 7 uses quicktime 7 and will stop working when qt7
> does, which will be next year, along with other apps that use qt7.

> quicktime player uses quicktime x (avfoundation) and will continue to
> work because qtx won't stop working.

Quicktime X, as you almost pointed out, is not quicktime, it is
AVFoundation. Quicktime will be gone in 10.15 and has been deprecated
since AVFoundation came out.

QuickTime does not support x265 video, nor does it support 4K, or if it
dies, it does it very poorly.

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#42952

In article <slrnpid5o4.h6r.g.kreme@jaka.lan>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
> >> >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake, mp4tools,
> >> >> mp4joiner and the like.
> >> > 
> >> > those are apps.
> >> > 
> >> > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
> >> > its replacement is quicktime x.
> >> > 
> >> > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
> >> > might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
> >> 
> >> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
> 
> > quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.
> 
> WAS
> 
> > quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.
> 
> WAS

still is.

it hasn't gone away, yet.

> > quicktime player 7 uses quicktime 7 and will stop working when qt7
> > does, which will be next year, along with other apps that use qt7.
> 
> > quicktime player uses quicktime x (avfoundation) and will continue to
> > work because qtx won't stop working.
> 
> Quicktime X, as you almost pointed out, is not quicktime, it is
> AVFoundation. Quicktime will be gone in 10.15 and has been deprecated
> since AVFoundation came out.

it's still called quicktime and the player app is called quicktime
player, even though it's using avfoundation under the hood.

<https://support.apple.com/quicktime>
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht201066>

> QuickTime does not support x265 video, nor does it support 4K, or if it
> dies, it does it very poorly.

quicktime player 7 has no issue playing 4k video, assuming the computer
can handle the data rate, which anything recent can.

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#42954

In message <170620181504077838%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnpid5o4.h6r.g.kreme@jaka.lan>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> >> >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
>> >> >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake, mp4tools,
>> >> >> mp4joiner and the like.
>> >> > 
>> >> > those are apps.
>> >> > 
>> >> > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
>> >> > its replacement is quicktime x.
>> >> > 
>> >> > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
>> >> > might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
>> >> 
>> >> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
>> 
>> > quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.
>> 
>> WAS
>> 
>> > quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.
>> 
>> WAS

> still is.

Not really. The underlying multimedia technology built in to the OS
is AV Foundation. QuickTime has been deprecated a long time, though it's
still worked and will continue to work until 10.14.

-- 
If I were you boys, I wouldn't talk or even think about women. 'T'ain't
good for your health.

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#42955

In article <slrnpidnog.v91.g.kreme@jaka.lan>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> >> >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
> >> >> >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake,
> >> >> >> mp4tools,
> >> >> >> mp4joiner and the like.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > those are apps.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
> >> >> > its replacement is quicktime x.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
> >> >> > might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
> >> >> 
> >> >> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
> >> 
> >> > quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.
> >> 
> >> WAS
> >> 
> >> > quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.
> >> 
> >> WAS
> 
> > still is.
> 
> Not really. The underlying multimedia technology built in to the OS
> is AV Foundation. QuickTime has been deprecated a long time, though it's
> still worked and will continue to work until 10.14.

deprecated means it will go away eventually, which will be the version
of macos that follows mojave. 

for now, it's still there.

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#42956

In message <170620181836312478%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnpidnog.v91.g.kreme@jaka.lan>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> >> >> >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
>> >> >> >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake,
>> >> >> >> mp4tools,
>> >> >> >> mp4joiner and the like.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > those are apps.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for long.
>> >> >> > its replacement is quicktime x.
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away. some
>> >> >> > might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
>> >> 
>> >> > quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.
>> >> 
>> >> WAS
>> >> 
>> >> > quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.
>> >> 
>> >> WAS
>> 
>> > still is.
>> 
>> Not really. The underlying multimedia technology built in to the OS
>> is AV Foundation. QuickTime has been deprecated a long time, though it's
>> still worked and will continue to work until 10.14.

> deprecated means it will go away eventually, which will be the version
> of macos that follows mojave. 

It also means that it is recommended that it not be used for any new
programs and that any maintained programs be switched to the new APIs.
QuickTime has been deprecated so long that any program that is still
under any level of support should have updated.

-- 
in the long run there's still time to change the road you're on

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#42957

In article <slrnpie05r.169b.g.kreme@jaka.lan>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> >> >> >> The "replacement" for QT7Pro, at least for me, is folder full of
> >> >> >> >> utiltiies which would include iMovie, Screenflow, Handbrake,
> >> >> >> >> mp4tools, mp4joiner and the like.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > those are apps.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > quicktime 7 is a part of the operating system, although not for
> >> >> >> > long. its replacement is quicktime x.
> >> >> >> > 
> >> >> >> > any app that uses qt7 will cease to function when qt7 goes away.
> >> >> >> > some might be updated. some (probably most) won't.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> What app uses qt7, I wonder?
> >> >> 
> >> >> > quicktime is the underlying multimedia technology built into the os.
> >> >> 
> >> >> WAS
> >> >> 
> >> >> > quicktime player is one of many apps that uses quicktime.
> >> >> 
> >> >> WAS
> >> 
> >> > still is.
> >> 
> >> Not really. The underlying multimedia technology built in to the OS
> >> is AV Foundation. QuickTime has been deprecated a long time, though it's
> >> still worked and will continue to work until 10.14.
> 
> > deprecated means it will go away eventually, which will be the version
> > of macos that follows mojave. 
> 
> It also means that it is recommended that it not be used for any new
> programs and that any maintained programs be switched to the new APIs.
> QuickTime has been deprecated so long that any program that is still
> under any level of support should have updated.

that's true, but existing apps that use it will still work as long as
they don't upgrade past mojave, which is when it moves from deprecated
to no longer available.

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