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How do mac users create a blank text file where you want it?

Started by	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
First post	2015-04-20 00:40 +0000
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#29392

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-23 07:34 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3bmcn.aqfe2j1uob66vN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29386

Alan Baker <email@domain.com> wrote:

> On 2015-04-20 15:36:52 +0000, Jamie Kahn Genet said:
> 
> > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > 
> >> That is obvious.  For that matter, you are not even a Mac novice; you
> >> are a pre-novice.
> > 
> > Can one actually have negative knowledge? If so, I submit 'Adam' may be
> > such a person.
> 
> Does that mean that if we interact with him, we come away with less 
> knowledge than when we began?
> 
> :-)

I know I feel stupider as a result.
-- 
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#29422

From	FPP <fredp151@gmail.com>
Date	2015-04-23 15:43 -0400
Message-ID	<mhbhup$ag1$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#29254

On 2015-04-20 15:36:52 +0000, jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn 
Genet) said:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
>> That is obvious.  For that matter, you are not even a Mac novice; you
>> are a pre-novice.
> 
> Can one actually have negative knowledge? If so, I submit 'Adam' may be
> such a person.

You guys DO know who you're talking to, right?  Beware, or he may not 
allow you to use Usenet anymore!

http://www.insolitology.com/usenet/crackpots.htm

> An otherwise normal guy named "Adam Kerman" once posted a rash of 
> messages similar to this one all over Usenet. The disjointed end part 
> seems to come from a generator.
> 
> "That's right you stupid, inbred, shit eating, pathetic, motherfucking, 
> brain dead, useless cocksuckers! I'm taking over all of Usenet! There 
> isn't a fucking thing you can do about it either! You're all a bunch of 
> worthless scumbags, and now you will all answer to me! If you don't 
> like this fact TOO FUCKING BAD! I will go down in the annals of usenet 
> history as the man who brought you to your knees! Now get down on your 
> knees and pay proper tribute to my glorious self!"
> 
> I AM ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET!
> 
> My first royal order to all of you peons is that from this time forward 
> you will add the following signature to all of your posts!
> 
> ***** This was posted with the express permission of *****
> **********************************************************
> ** HIS HIGHNESS ADAM H KERMAN LORD AND MASTER OF USENET **
> **********************************************************
> *********** We are simple servants of his will ***********
> 
> This will be appended to the bottom of all your posts with absolutely 
> NO EXCEPTIONS! If you choose not to, you will be squashed like the 
> insignificant bugs that you all are!
> 
> I am running Usenet now! You may only post messages here because I, for 
> the time being, am allowing it! Do you scumbags understand me!
> 
> THIS IS THE DAWNING OF THE AGE OF KERMAN!
> 
> ALL HAIL ADAM H. KERMAN LORD AND HIGH MASTER OF USENET!

If you're smart, you'll just killfile him and move on... because, sure 
as shit, HE'S not going to stop annoying you anytime soon.
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<weberm@polaris.net> fingers are moving.
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Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net>

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#29425

From	Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date	2015-04-23 17:48 -0400
Message-ID	<5539689e$0$19790$c3e8da3$33881b6a@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#29422

In article <mhbhup$ag1$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> 
wrote:

> 
> If you're smart, you'll just killfile him and move on... because, sure 
> as shit, HE'S not going to stop annoying you anytime soon.

He's mellowed. I looked at some of the stuff in that tv newsgroup, and, 
well, duh. We all get old and move on. David Ritz is trying to be civil, 
so why can't we all?
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#29426

From	gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date	2015-04-23 21:03 -0700
Message-ID	<2015042321035451143-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to	#29425

On 2015-04-23 21:48:13 +0000, Warren Oates said:

> In article <mhbhup$ag1$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> If you're smart, you'll just killfile him and move on... because, sure 
>> as shit, HE'S not going to stop annoying you anytime soon.
> 
> He's mellowed. I looked at some of the stuff in that tv newsgroup, and, 
> well, duh. We all get old and move on. David Ritz is trying to be 
> civil, so why can't we all?

That's true.  John Hinckley has mellowed.  Hell, even Charles Manson 
has chilled a lot.   Why do people have to remember the "murder" part 
of serial killing instead of the "cereal" part?  Everybody LOVES cereal!

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#29240

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 14:54 +0000
Message-ID	<cpki94Fg4haU22@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29162

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> 1m36y0g.1m5g5y11nbk0vqN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
>
>> What is hidden? Switching between rich text and plain text on an ad hoc
>> basis is right there in the Format menu
>
> What part about "preferences" are you missing when you say that statement?
> I am not a Mac expert but if I already know far more than you do, then 
> Lord help you.
>
> You seem to nitpick just so you can troll.
>
> The preferences method is totally different than the two-menu method.
> What part of that don't you understand?

Wrong. The TextEdit Preferences > Format setting simply lets you specify
which format (plain or rich text) is used for new documents. The Format
menu command is available regardless of which you specify in
preferences. Therefore, a user can switch between plain and rich text at
will any time with any document simply by choosing the Format menu
command. 

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#29255

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-21 03:36 +1200
Message-ID	<1m37lvc.18z8v3vt923h3N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29240

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> > jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> > 1m36y0g.1m5g5y11nbk0vqN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> >
> >> What is hidden? Switching between rich text and plain text on an ad hoc
> >> basis is right there in the Format menu
> >
> > What part about "preferences" are you missing when you say that statement?
> > I am not a Mac expert but if I already know far more than you do, then
> > Lord help you.
> >
> > You seem to nitpick just so you can troll.
> >
> > The preferences method is totally different than the two-menu method.
> > What part of that don't you understand?
> 
> Wrong. The TextEdit Preferences > Format setting simply lets you specify
> which format (plain or rich text) is used for new documents. The Format
> menu command is available regardless of which you specify in
> preferences. Therefore, a user can switch between plain and rich text at
> will any time with any document simply by choosing the Format menu
> command. 

I am having the most intense feeling of deja vu ;-) Not to mention of
futility...
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#29010

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:36 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1ono$3dm$11@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#28992

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
190420152216371344nospamospam@nospam.invalid

> if you want to edit text files, get text wrangler, which is free.

It's not my Macintosh so I'll use the default ASCII text editor.

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#29013

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-19 22:38 -0400
Message-ID	<190420152238098898%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#29010

In article <mh1ono$3dm$11@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> > if you want to edit text files, get text wrangler, which is free.
> 
> It's not my Macintosh so I'll use the default ASCII text editor.

delete it when you're done with it.

or tell the owner about it. 

seriously, textwrangler is *extremely* good and free.

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#29148

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 19:07 +1200
Message-ID	<1m36y7n.1b21nkg1jx2rrzN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29013

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <mh1ono$3dm$11@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> 
> > > if you want to edit text files, get text wrangler, which is free.
> > 
> > It's not my Macintosh so I'll use the default ASCII text editor.
> 
> delete it when you're done with it.
> 
> or tell the owner about it. 
> 
> seriously, textwrangler is *extremely* good and free.

He doesn't want rational nor simple solutions. He wants to beat his head
against reality.
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#29016

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-19 22:39 -0400
Message-ID	<190420152239142804%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#28992

In article <mh1opc$3dm$12@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> So where is the TextEdit option to simply save as ASCII text?

you are not paying attention. set the app to text. done.

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#29114

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:17 +0000
Message-ID	<mh25le$i5o$29@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29016

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
190420152239142804nospamospam@nospam.invalid

> you are not paying attention. set the app to text. done.

I will suggest the Mac user employ the "two-menu" method, which is:

1. To save to ASCII text:
   Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save

2. To save as other formats (but not ASCII text):
   File > Save > File Format > {a variety of formats}

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#29017

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:37 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1opc$3dm$12@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#28992

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
190420152216371344nospamospam@nospam.invalid

>> 14. Up pops a warning:
>>     You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
>>     at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".
> 
> that's because it's rtf. duh.

So where is the TextEdit option to simply save as ASCII text?
http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png

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#29020

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:38 +0000
Message-ID	<cpj756F5p92U11@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29017

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> 190420152216371344nospamospam@nospam.invalid
>
>>> 14. Up pops a warning:
>>>     You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
>>>     at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".
>> 
>> that's because it's rtf. duh.
>
> So where is the TextEdit option to simply save as ASCII text?
> http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png

You've already been told, and are refusing to acknowledge it.

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#29113

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:17 +0000
Message-ID	<mh25l5$i5o$28@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29020

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj756F5p92U11@mid.individual.net

> You've already been told, and are refusing to acknowledge it.

I will suggest the Mac user employ the "two-menu" method, which is:

1. To save to ASCII text:
   Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save

2. To save as other formats (but not ASCII text):
   File > Save > File Format > {a variety of formats}

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#29032

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 03:01 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1q5m$3dm$19@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29017

"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote in message
mh1opc$3dm$12@news.albasani.net

> So where is the TextEdit option to simply save as ASCII text?
> http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png

Thanks for the insight into the minds of the Macintosh user.

It certainly wasn't intuitive that the 'Save As' dialog for the 
default text editor had no option for saving ASCII text.

However, as you noted, there was a preference setting, which
enabled that hidden option, so now the default text editor
can actually save ASCII text.

Thanks.

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#29042

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2015-04-20 03:33 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmj8suj.1eq.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to	#29017

In message <mh1opc$3dm$12@news.albasani.net> 
  Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> 190420152216371344nospamospam@nospam.invalid

>>> 14. Up pops a warning:
>>>     You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
>>>     at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".
>> 
>> that's because it's rtf. duh.

> So where is the TextEdit option to simply save as ASCII text?
> http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png

Format menu -> Make Plain Text (Shift-Command-T, IIRC)

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#29056

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 04:14 +0000
Message-ID	<cpjcp8F7dq8U5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29042

On 2015-04-20, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <mh1opc$3dm$12@news.albasani.net> 
>   Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>> 190420152216371344nospamospam@nospam.invalid
>
>>>> 14. Up pops a warning:
>>>>     You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
>>>>     at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".
>>> 
>>> that's because it's rtf. duh.
>
>> So where is the TextEdit option to simply save as ASCII text?
>> http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png
>
> Format menu -> Make Plain Text (Shift-Command-T, IIRC)

Too simple for his simple mind.

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#29138

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:57 +0000
Message-ID	<mh281d$i5o$42@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29056

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpjcp8F7dq8U5@mid.individual.net

> Too simple for his simple mind.

The two-menu sequence is as simple as we can make it, given the desire to 
save a new document *to* plain text yet also preserve the option to save 
*as* other formats.

To save to plain text:
1. Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save

To save as other formats:
2. File > Save > File Format > {other formats}

It's unfortunate these are in wholly separate menus, but I will inform 
the user of this fact tomorrow.

Thanks!

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#29238

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 14:46 +0000
Message-ID	<cpkhq6Fg4haU18@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29138

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpjcp8F7dq8U5@mid.individual.net
>
>> Too simple for his simple mind.
>
> The two-menu sequence is as simple as we can make it, given the desire to 
> save a new document *to* plain text yet also preserve the option to save 
> *as* other formats.
>
> To save to plain text:
> 1. Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save
>
> To save as other formats:
> 2. File > Save > File Format > {other formats}
>
> It's unfortunate these are in wholly separate menus, but I will inform 
> the user of this fact tomorrow.
>
> Thanks!

There is no such thing as File > Save > File Format > {other formats}.

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#29026

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:54 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1ppn$3dm$16@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#28992

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
190420152216371344nospamospam@nospam.invalid

> change that in the app's preferences before saving. 
> it's a dumb design to put it there

That's what needs to be done!
Thanks!

TextEdit > Preferences > New Document > Format (o) Plain text]
Open and Save > When Saving a File: [x] Add ".txt" extension to plain text files

It was unintuitive that I couldn't "Save As" ASCII text
by default, but this worked just fine.

It even converted the RTF document to portable ASCII text, 
which now means that the original file is also fixed.

Thanks.
I'm done with this thread other than to answer questions
and respond to each post. 

Thanks again.

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