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How do mac users create a blank text file where you want it?

Started by	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
First post	2015-04-20 00:40 +0000
Last post	2015-04-22 09:45 -0400
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#29226

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-20 07:35 -0700
Message-ID	<200420150735296220%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#29164

In article <mh2a0a$i5o$57@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> 1m36xz1.1jt3x1bhosn6uN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> 
> > How is anything hidden?
> 
> You're an idiot and it's time to plunk you, not for me, as I can handle 
> idiots, but for everyone else who has to wade through your idiocy.
> 
> Gnite forever!

He is not the idiot; you are the idiot.

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#29252

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-21 03:36 +1200
Message-ID	<1m37lo2.1q03mgr1e4ffrdN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29226

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <mh2a0a$i5o$57@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> 
> > jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> > 1m36xz1.1jt3x1bhosn6uN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> > 
> > > How is anything hidden?
> > 
> > You're an idiot and it's time to plunk you, not for me, as I can handle
> > idiots, but for everyone else who has to wade through your idiocy.
> > 
> > Gnite forever!
> 
> He is not the idiot; you are the idiot.

You know he killfiled me (though in fact I doubt he ever really does) on
his last nick, for the same reason given :-D I wish he'd killfile me
permanently. His responses are more annoying than the crap I reply to.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#29261

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-20 09:46 -0700
Message-ID	<200420150946177068%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#29164

Here is a way to create a text file without using the TextEdit
application.

1.  Open the Script Editor application; it should be in the Utilities
folder of the Applications folder.  (Pressing Command-U is the shortcut
to the Utilities Folder.)

2.  Paste the following text into the Script Editor window:
set theFile to choose file name
set referenceNumber to open for access theFile
close access theFile

3.  Press Command-S (or choose "Save" from the File menu).

4.  In the File Format: popup menu, choose "Application".

5.  (Optional) Change the name of the file from Untitled to whatever
you want.

6.  Click the Save button.

The above is a one-time thing; you need to do these steps only once. 
If you plan to use this script only once, you can skip steps 3 through
6.

If you do steps 3 through 6, all you need to do is open the applet
created in those steps.

If you do not do steps 3 through 6, press Command-R or choose Run from
the Script menu, or click on the Run icon in the tool bar of the
window.

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#29384

From	Alan Baker <email@domain.com>
Date	2015-04-22 12:19 -0700
Message-ID	<mh8s8u$5bp$1@news.datemas.de>
In reply to	#29025

On 2015-04-20 03:00:49 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj6luF5p92U6@mid.individual.net
> 
>> I agree. I just don't agree that allowing you to set the default
>> document type in preferences is dumb.
> 
> It's a moot point now, but once that hidden option is set, then
> the default text editor on the Macintosh easily saves ASCII
> text.

Tell me:

Do you use the perjorative (I'll give you a little time to look that 
up... ...got it now? Good.) term "hidden" when you talk about options 
in the preferences dialog box (do you need "dialog box" explained as 
well? No? Good.) of all applications?

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#29141

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 19:07 +1200
Message-ID	<1m36xwy.8dzcdo19mp5c4N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#28998

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-04-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <cpj69jF5p92U4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > it's a dumb design to put it there, but that's what it is.
> >> 
> >> Doesn't seem very dumb to me. It's a design choice that TextEdit creates
> >> rich text documents by default. Providing both a default setting in
> >> preferences along with a menu command (and key binding) to change the
> >> format at will seems fine to me.
> >
> > there should be an option at the time of saving.
> 
> I agree. I just don't agree that allowing you to set the default
> document type in preferences is dumb.

That would seem the logical place, to my way of thinking. Preferences
are for rarely made changes and default settings. Menus are for often
used settings and commands.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#29001

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:23 +0000
Message-ID	<cpj69jF5p92U4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#28992

On 2015-04-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <mh1msl$3dm$3@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
><ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> 11. The box defaults to Rich Text Document.
>
> change that in the app's preferences before saving.

Or simply choose Format > Make Plain Text from the TextEdit menu bar.

The TextEdit Preferences > New Document > Format setting lets you
specify whether new documents you create are plain text or rich text
format. 

Regardless of which format is specified in preferences, you can always
use the Format > Make Plain Text menu command to change the current
document to the format you want.

> it's a dumb design to put it there, but that's what it is.

Doesn't seem very dumb to me. It's a design choice that TextEdit creates
rich text documents by default. Providing both a default setting in
preferences along with a menu command (and key binding) to change the
format at will seems fine to me.

> if you want to edit text files, get text wrangler, which is free.
> it's by far the best text editor on any platform. even the free version
> will do a shitload of stuff, including formatting html or source code,
> all very configurable. there are even command line tools for it.
>
><http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/>

Yes. TextWrangler or any other plain text editor would be much better
suited for editing plain text files than TextEdit, which is better
suited as a general-purpose word processor for editing rich text
documents.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#29006

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-19 22:29 -0400
Message-ID	<190420152229056252%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#29001

In article <cpj69jF5p92U4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > it's a dumb design to put it there, but that's what it is.
> 
> Doesn't seem very dumb to me. It's a design choice that TextEdit creates
> rich text documents by default. Providing both a default setting in
> preferences along with a menu command (and key binding) to change the
> format at will seems fine to me.

there should be an option at the time of saving.

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#29029

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:59 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1q37$3dm$17@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29006

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
190420152229056252nospamospam@nospam.invalid

> there should be an option at the time of saving.

Thanks for the insight into the minds of the Macintosh user.

It certainly wasn't intuitive that the 'Save As' dialog for the 
default text editor had no option for saving ASCII text.

However, as you noted, there was a preference setting, which
enabled that hidden option, so now the default text editor
can actually save ASCII text.

Thanks.

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#29043

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2015-04-20 03:29 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmj8smo.1eq.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to	#29029

In message <mh1q37$3dm$17@news.albasani.net> 
  Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> 190420152229056252nospamospam@nospam.invalid

>> there should be an option at the time of saving.

> Thanks for the insight into the minds of the Macintosh user.

> It certainly wasn't intuitive that the 'Save As' dialog for the 
> default text editor had no option for saving ASCII text.

> However, as you noted, there was a preference setting, which
> enabled that hidden option, so now the default text editor
> can actually save ASCII text.

There is no hidden option. It's right there in the Format menu.


-- 
So here's us, on the raggedy edge. Don't push me. And I won't push you.

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#29109

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:08 +0000
Message-ID	<mh254k$i5o$25@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29043

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
slrnmj8smo.1eq.g.kreme@amelia.local

> There is no hidden option. It's right there in the Format menu.

I belatedly realized that there are two places for saving a file to a 
desired format using the default text editor.

ASCII TEXT:
1. Format > Make Plain/Rich Text, File > Save

OTHER FORMATS:
2. File > Save > File Format > {a variety of formats}

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#29230

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 14:39 +0000
Message-ID	<cpkhd2Fg4haU17@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29109

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
> slrnmj8smo.1eq.g.kreme@amelia.local
>
>> There is no hidden option. It's right there in the Format menu.
>
> I belatedly realized that there are two places for saving a file to a 
> desired format using the default text editor.
>
> ASCII TEXT:
> 1. Format > Make Plain/Rich Text, File > Save
>
> OTHER FORMATS:
> 2. File > Save > File Format > {a variety of formats}

Wrong. There's no such thing as File > Save > File Format > {a variety
of formats}.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#29146

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 19:07 +1200
Message-ID	<1m36y0g.1m5g5y11nbk0vqN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29029

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> 190420152229056252nospamospam@nospam.invalid
> 
> > there should be an option at the time of saving.
> 
> Thanks for the insight into the minds of the Macintosh user.
> 
> It certainly wasn't intuitive that the 'Save As' dialog for the 
> default text editor had no option for saving ASCII text.
> 
> However, as you noted, there was a preference setting, which
> enabled that hidden option, so now the default text editor
> can actually save ASCII text.
> 
> Thanks.

What is hidden? Switching between rich text and plain text on an ad hoc
basis is right there in the Format menu - how could you miss that? Are
you too foolish to quickly look through menus for a command?

Permanently setting the default type is in Preferences. Agin - are you
too foolish to look in the obvious places?

Simple, sensible, intuitive, and following decades of precedence where
defaults and rarely changed settings are in Preferences, while often
accessed settings and commands are in the menus.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#29162

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 07:30 +0000
Message-ID	<mh29v8$i5o$56@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29146

jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
1m36y0g.1m5g5y11nbk0vqN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz

> What is hidden? Switching between rich text and plain text on an ad hoc
> basis is right there in the Format menu

What part about "preferences" are you missing when you say that statement?
I am not a Mac expert but if I already know far more than you do, then 
Lord help you.

You seem to nitpick just so you can troll.

The preferences method is totally different than the two-menu method.
What part of that don't you understand?

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#29177

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 20:13 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3717m.1leum8812gx8zrN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29162

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> 1m36y0g.1m5g5y11nbk0vqN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> 
> > What is hidden? Switching between rich text and plain text on an ad hoc
> > basis is right there in the Format menu
> 
> What part about "preferences" are you missing when you say that statement?
> I am not a Mac expert but if I already know far more than you do, then
> Lord help you.
> 
> You seem to nitpick just so you can troll.
> 
> The preferences method is totally different than the two-menu method.
> What part of that don't you understand?

To quote the part of my post you snipped: "Permanently setting the
default type is in Preferences. Again - are you
too foolish to look in the obvious places?"

I cannot believe your obtuseness is genuine.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#29233

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-20 07:41 -0700
Message-ID	<200420150741327977%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#29162

In article <mh29v8$i5o$56@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> 1m36y0g.1m5g5y11nbk0vqN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> 
> > What is hidden? Switching between rich text and plain text on an ad hoc
> > basis is right there in the Format menu
> 
> What part about "preferences" are you missing when you say that statement?
> I am not a Mac expert

That is obvious.  For that matter, you are not even a Mac novice; you
are a pre-novice.

> but if I already know far more than you do, then Lord help you.

You most certainly do not know more than he does.

> You seem to nitpick just so you can troll.
> 
> The preferences method is totally different than the two-menu method.
> What part of that don't you understand?

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A "PREFERENCES METHOD"!!!!

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#29254

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-21 03:36 +1200
Message-ID	<1m37lt9.1bynruclheuodN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29233

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> That is obvious.  For that matter, you are not even a Mac novice; you
> are a pre-novice.

Can one actually have negative knowledge? If so, I submit 'Adam' may be
such a person.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#29277

From	dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date	2015-04-21 11:09 +1000
Message-ID	<do_ray_me-089AFF.11090121042015@aioe.org>
In reply to	#29254

In article <1m37lt9.1bynruclheuodN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> Can one actually have negative knowledge?

A person can know things but not believe he does (as against the view 
that someone can only know p if he at least believes p).

This situation has a "having" and the negative is in *not* believing. 
Or put it another way, there is a bit of negative in it and there is 
knowledge. 

There could be a belief that a whole lot of statements were true but 
knowledge that in fact they were not. 

Whether this counts as "negative knowledge", I'm not sure. But it 
*could* count if you looked at it in a certain way: for example, if 
you squinted with the mind's eye in a sort of double-flip, left-pike 
twisting upside-down sort of a way.

Maybe David Ritz has a terminal solution for this?

-- 
dorayme

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#29282

From	David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date	2015-04-20 20:51 -0500
Message-ID	<alpine.OSX.2.20.1504202047350.9160@mako.ath.cx>
In reply to	#29277

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On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 11:09 +1000, 
 in article <do_ray_me-089AFF.11090121042015@aioe.org>, 
 dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> Whether this counts as "negative knowledge", I'm not sure. But it 
> *could* count if you looked at it in a certain way: for example, if 
> you squinted with the mind's eye in a sort of double-flip, left-pike 
> twisting upside-down sort of a way.

> Maybe David Ritz has a terminal solution for this?

It doesn't require a CLI, but this comes close, on short notice, while 
on the subject of ASCII text:

Mr. Ascii does the Macarena

    o   o   o   o   o   o   <o  <o>
    ^|\ ^|^ v|^ v|v |/v |X| \|  |
    /\  >\  /<  >\ /<   >\  /<  >\

    o>  o   o   o   o   o   o   o
    \   x   </ <|>  </> <\> <)> |\
    /<  >\  /<  >\  /<  >\  >>  L


-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#29286

From	dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date	2015-04-21 13:17 +1000
Message-ID	<do_ray_me-BB9CD6.13171721042015@aioe.org>
In reply to	#29282

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1504202047350.9160@mako.ath.cx>,
 David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

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> On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 11:09 +1000, 
>  in article <do_ray_me-089AFF.11090121042015@aioe.org>, 
>  dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> > Whether this counts as "negative knowledge", I'm not sure. But it 
> > *could* count if you looked at it in a certain way: for example, if 
> > you squinted with the mind's eye in a sort of double-flip, left-pike 
> > twisting upside-down sort of a way.
> 
> > Maybe David Ritz has a terminal solution for this?
> 
> It doesn't require a CLI, but this comes close, on short notice, while 
> on the subject of ASCII text:
> 
> Mr. Ascii does the Macarena
> 
>     o   o   o   o   o   o   <o  <o>
>     ^|\ ^|^ v|^ v|v |/v |X| \|  |
>     /\  >\  /<  >\ /<   >\  /<  >\
> 
>     o>  o   o   o   o   o   o   o
>     \   x   </ <|>  </> <\> <)> |\
>     /<  >\  /<  >\  /<  >\  >>  L

That *is* an obvious example of negative knowledge. I knew you could 
do it, but did not know quite how.

-- 
dorayme

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#29386

From	Alan Baker <email@domain.com>
Date	2015-04-22 12:23 -0700
Message-ID	<mh8sek$5bp$2@news.datemas.de>
In reply to	#29254

On 2015-04-20 15:36:52 +0000, Jamie Kahn Genet said:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
>> That is obvious.  For that matter, you are not even a Mac novice; you
>> are a pre-novice.
> 
> Can one actually have negative knowledge? If so, I submit 'Adam' may be
> such a person.

Does that mean that if we interact with him, we come away with less 
knowledge than when we began?

:-)

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