Groups > comp.sys.mac.apps > #28976 > unrolled thread

How do mac users create a blank text file where you want it?

Started by	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
First post	2015-04-20 00:40 +0000
Last post	2015-04-22 09:45 -0400
Articles	20 on this page of 393 — 26 participants

Back to article view | Back to comp.sys.mac.apps

Page 9 of 20 — ← Prev page 1 … 7 8 [9] 10 11 … 20 Next page →

#29125

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:39 +0000
Message-ID	<mh26v0$i5o$36@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29105

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
190420152304296494%michelle@michelle.org

>> The suggested preferences method hides options, while the suggested
>> two-
>> menu method apparently keeps your options available, that's why.
> 
> Nothing hides any options.

Then you misunderstand the suggested preferences method.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29207

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-20 07:09 -0700
Message-ID	<200420150709111529%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#29125

In article <mh26v0$i5o$36@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420152304296494%michelle@michelle.org
> 
> >> The suggested preferences method hides options, while the suggested
> >> two-menu method apparently keeps your options available, that's why.
> > 
> > Nothing hides any options.
> 
> Then you misunderstand the suggested preferences method.

I am not the person who is misunderstanding.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29216

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 14:23 +0000
Message-ID	<cpkgfpFg4haU8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29125

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420152304296494%michelle@michelle.org
>
>>> The suggested preferences method hides options, while the suggested
>>> two-
>>> menu method apparently keeps your options available, that's why.
>> 
>> Nothing hides any options.
>
> Then you misunderstand the suggested preferences method.

No, *you* are misunderstanding just about everything you are being told.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29132

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 18:49 +1200
Message-ID	<1m36x5h.1c5gxph1miff7jN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29105

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <mh242t$i5o$19@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> 
> > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> > 190420152142210843%michelle@michelle.org
> > 
> > > Why in the world would you do that when it is completely unnecessary and
> > > counterproductive?
> > 
> > The suggested preferences method hides options, while the suggested two-
> > menu method apparently keeps your options available, that's why.
> 
> Nothing hides any options.

Ok, I call it: confirmed troll. No one is this annoying dense, nor
pathetically incapable of learning.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29161

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 07:26 +0000
Message-ID	<mh29ns$i5o$53@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29132

jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
1m36x5h.1c5gxph1miff7jN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz

> Ok, I call it: confirmed troll. No one is this annoying dense, nor
> pathetically incapable of learning.

You don't even understand what it is you're talking about, since it
has been confirmed numerous times already.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29199

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2015-04-20 12:42 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmj9t43.42i.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to	#29132

In message <1m36x5h.1c5gxph1miff7jN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> 
  Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

>> In article <mh242t$i5o$19@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
>> > 190420152142210843%michelle@michelle.org
>> > 
>> > > Why in the world would you do that when it is completely unnecessary and
>> > > counterproductive?
>> > 
>> > The suggested preferences method hides options, while the suggested two-
>> > menu method apparently keeps your options available, that's why.
>> 
>> Nothing hides any options.

> Ok, I call it: confirmed troll. No one is this annoying dense, nor
> pathetically incapable of learning.

It's the same old troll too.

-- 
He wasn't good or evil or cruel or extreme in any way but one, which was
that he had elevated greyness to the status of a fine art and cultivated
a mind that was as bleak and pitiless and logical as the slopes of Hell.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29235

From	Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date	2015-04-20 15:41 +0100
Message-ID	<200420151541556247%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to	#29199

In article <slrnmj9t43.42i.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>In message <1m36x5h.1c5gxph1miff7jN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> 
>  Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>>> In article <mh242t$i5o$19@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
>>> > 190420152142210843%michelle@michelle.org
>>> > 
>>> > > Why in the world would you do that when it is completely unnecessary and
>>> > > counterproductive?
>>> > 
>>> > The suggested preferences method hides options, while the suggested two-
>>> > menu method apparently keeps your options available, that's why.
>>> 
>>> Nothing hides any options.
>
>> Ok, I call it: confirmed troll. No one is this annoying dense, nor
>> pathetically incapable of learning.
>
>It's the same old troll too.

Well it might be Harry Worth, I suppose.

-- 
"A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then 
 quietly strangled." - Sir Barnett Cocks (1907-1989)

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29064

From	Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date	2015-04-19 21:26 -0700
Message-ID	<2015041921265570701-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMme.com>
In reply to	#29019

On 2015-04-20 02:44:54 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:

> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> 190420152233070791nospamospam@nospam.invalid
> 
>>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
>> 
>> if you set the app to text it does.
>> 
>> are you even reading what people write??
> 
> Everyone says that TextEdit can save ASCII text.
> I'm fine with that.
> 
> If someone could just answer this question, we'd be done with this thread.
> 
> Which of these options is the TextEdit ASCII text option?
> http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png

Here, for one last time.
Open TextEdit
go to File->New
go to Format->Make Plain Text

Enter all the ASCII you want.
go to File+Option->Save As

and you will see this:
<https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_110.jpg>

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29187

From	Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net>
Date	2015-04-20 10:18 +0100
Message-ID	<200420151018595591%timstreater@greenbee.net>
In reply to	#29019

In article <mh1p75$3dm$14@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>190420152233070791nospamospam@nospam.invalid
>
>>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
>> 
>> if you set the app to text it does.
>> 
>> are you even reading what people write??
>
>Everyone says that TextEdit can save ASCII text.
>I'm fine with that.
>
>If someone could just answer this question, we'd be done with this thread.
>
>Which of these options is the TextEdit ASCII text option?
>http://i.imgur.com/FDYa45h.png

You're asking the wrong question. But I expect you know that by now.

-- 
"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without 
evidence."
-- Christopher Hitchens

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29045

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2015-04-20 03:35 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmj8t1d.1eq.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to	#28999

In message <mh1od0$3dm$8@news.albasani.net> 
  Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> 190420152222191866nospamospam@nospam.invalid

>> it takes 3 steps:
>> launch app 
>> paste
>> save

> And that saves an ASCII text file?

Yes.

-- 
You know, Rick, I have many a friend in Casablanca, but somehow, just
because you despise me, you are the only one I trust.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29079

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 04:47 +0000
Message-ID	<mh20co$i5o$11@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29045

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
slrnmj8t1d.1eq.g.kreme@amelia.local

>>> it takes 3 steps:
>>> launch app paste save
> 
>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
> 
> Yes.

Actually, I know know how it works, based on what David Empson (et al.) 
intimated, which is that it's far more steps if you *also* want to 
preserve the option to save *as* other formats in addition to being able 
to save *to* ASCII.

Basically, the use model the Mac users employ with the default text 
editor to enable *either* ASCII text or the other available formats is 
either to temporarily save to the wrong format and then convert to the 
desired ASCII format, or, to temporarily set the preferences to only save 
to ASCII text, and then unset the preferences once done.

Given that seems to be what everyone is intimating, there are far more
than three steps if you want to preserve your options. 

However, I do agree, if you give up on your options, you can manage to 
get the default text editor to save to ASCII text in just 3 steps.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29081

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 04:51 +0000
Message-ID	<cpjeuqF7dq8U14@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29079

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
> slrnmj8t1d.1eq.g.kreme@amelia.local
>
>>>> it takes 3 steps:
>>>> launch app paste save
>> 
>>> And that saves an ASCII text file?
>> 
>> Yes.
>
> Actually, I know know how it works, based on what David Empson (et al.) 
> intimated

No, you have misunderstood (or more likely purposely misconstrued) what
they told you.

> which is that it's far more steps if you *also* want to 
> preserve the option to save *as* other formats in addition to being able 
> to save *to* ASCII.

Wrong, as you have been told repeatedly.

> Basically, the use model the Mac users employ with the default text 
> editor to enable *either* ASCII text or the other available formats is 
> either to temporarily save to the wrong format and then convert to the 
> desired ASCII format, or, to temporarily set the preferences to only save 
> to ASCII text, and then unset the preferences once done.

Wrong. No conversion is needed. No saving multiple times is needed. And
no setting of preferences is needed.

1. Choose Format > Make Plain|Rich Text.
2. Save the document. 

That's it.

> Given that seems to be what everyone is intimating, there are far more
> than three steps if you want to preserve your options. 

Wrong again.

> However, I do agree, if you give up on your options, you can manage to 
> get the default text editor to save to ASCII text in just 3 steps.

Nope, only two steps as you have been told repeatedly.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29100

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 05:57 +0000
Message-ID	<mh24g2$i5o$21@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29081

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpjeuqF7dq8U14@mid.individual.net

> No, you have misunderstood (or more likely purposely misconstrued) what
> they told you.

I apologize for misunderstanding but I believe I now understand the two 
suggested methods.

1. The preferences method
2. The two-menu method

The preferences method, we all agree, is suboptimal if the user wants to 
keep the option of saving to various formats easily available.

The two-menu method, while highly unintuitive, will keep all the options 
open to the user. The user merely needs to reconcile the use of the 
"format" menu versus use of the "save" menu, when deciding what type of 
file to save.

This menu sequence can save a new file to ASCII text:
1. Format > Make Plain/Rich Text, File > Save

This can't save a file to ASCII text (but it can save to other formats):
2. File > Save > File Format > {a variety of formats}

Do I understand the use model yet?

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29224

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 14:36 +0000
Message-ID	<cpkh6sFg4haU13@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29100

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpjeuqF7dq8U14@mid.individual.net
>
>> No, you have misunderstood (or more likely purposely misconstrued) what
>> they told you.
>
> I apologize for misunderstanding but I believe I now understand the two 
> suggested methods.
>
> 1. The preferences method
> 2. The two-menu method
>
> The preferences method, we all agree, is suboptimal if the user wants to 
> keep the option of saving to various formats easily available.

Nope, we do not agree. You have misunderstood yet again. There is
nothing at all preventing the user from switching between rich and plain
text at will, regardless of the preference setting. All the user needs
to do is choose the appropriate Format menu command to save in any
format he wishes.

> The two-menu method, while highly unintuitive, will keep all the options 
> open to the user. The user merely needs to reconcile the use of the 
> "format" menu versus use of the "save" menu, when deciding what type of 
> file to save.
>
> This menu sequence can save a new file to ASCII text:
> 1. Format > Make Plain/Rich Text, File > Save
>
> This can't save a file to ASCII text (but it can save to other formats):
> 2. File > Save > File Format > {a variety of formats}

There is no such thing as File > Save > File Format > {a variety of
formats}.

> Do I understand the use model yet?

Nope.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29002

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2015-04-20 02:30 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmj8p78.g3.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to	#28991

In message <mh1n92$3dm$4@news.albasani.net> 
  Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420151842061874%michelle@michelle.org

>> But that is what the OP wanted to create.

> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.

Command-space "text" Return
Command-V
Command-S

-- 
Two of the most famous products of Berkeley are LSD and Unix. 
I don't think that is a coincidence

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29048

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-19 20:34 -0700
Message-ID	<190420152034578153%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#28991

In article <mh1n92$3dm$4@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way, 
> because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).

Yes, you were doing something wrong; you were trying to do something
the hardest way possible, which it seems that you are always doing.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29086

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 04:58 +0000
Message-ID	<mh211q$i5o$12@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29048

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
190420152034578153%michelle@michelle.org

> Yes, you were doing something wrong; you were trying to do something the
> hardest way possible, which it seems that you are always doing.

Do you realize there are *only* two ways to save an ASCII text file using 
the default Macintosh text editor (based on what nospam et al. has 
intimated) while still preserving your "Save As" options?

1. You temporarily save to the wrong format (choose any one, as it 
doesn't matter since you don't want this format), and then you format 
that wrong-format file to the desired ASCII format.

or ... 

2. You temporarily set your preferences to save *to* ASCII, and then you 
save the file to ASCII text, but since that makes you lose the option of 
saving as other format, you then immediately unset the preferences you 
just set, so that you're back where you started.

Given those are the only two options available in the default text editor
(according to everyone who has posted), I must heartily agree with Jolly 
Roger that the Hobson's choice is to temporarily save to the wrong format
and to then convert that wrong format to the desired format.

If you know of a *simpler* option using the default text editor, please 
tell us because what I prefer would be to simply save as either ASCII
text, or something else (that would be the intuitive approach Apple 
didn't provide).

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29091

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 05:30 +0000
Message-ID	<cpjh70F8gnvU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29086

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420152034578153%michelle@michelle.org
>
>> Yes, you were doing something wrong; you were trying to do something the
>> hardest way possible, which it seems that you are always doing.
>
> Do you realize there are *only* two ways to save an ASCII text file using 
> the default Macintosh text editor (based on what nospam et al. has 
> intimated) while still preserving your "Save As" options?
>
> 1. You temporarily save to the wrong format (choose any one, as it 
> doesn't matter since you don't want this format), and then you format 
> that wrong-format file to the desired ASCII format.

WRONG. There is no need to save twice. Set the format you want and save
it - it's that simple.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29102

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:00 +0000
Message-ID	<mh24lv$i5o$22@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29091

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpjh70F8gnvU2@mid.individual.net

> WRONG. There is no need to save twice. Set the format you want and save
> it - it's that simple.

I apologize for initially misunderstanding; but I believe I now 
understand the suggested methods.

1. The preference method
2. The two-menu method

The preferences method, I think we all agree, is suboptimal if the user 
wishes to retain the option of easily saving to various formats.

The two-menu method, while oddly unintuitive, will keep all the file-
saving options open to the user. The user merely needs to acknowledge the 
use of the "format" menu versus use of the "save" menu, when deciding 
what type of file to save.

This TextEdit menu sequence can save a new file to ASCII text:
1. Format > Make Plain/Rich Text, File > Save

This can't save a file to ASCII text (but it can save to other formats):
2. File > Save > File Format > {a variety of formats}

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

#29135

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 18:49 +1200
Message-ID	<1m36xby.1qjrbdg1rxfyc2N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29102

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> The two-menu method, while oddly unintuitive, will keep all the file-
> saving options open to the user.

Wrong. Nothing is lost.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]

Page 9 of 20 — ← Prev page 1 … 7 8 [9] 10 11 … 20 Next page →

csiph-web

How do mac users create a blank text file where you want it?

Contents

#29125

#29207

#29216

#29132

#29161

#29199

#29235

#29064

#29187

#29045

#29079

#29081

#29100

#29224

#29002

#29048

#29086

#29091

#29102

#29135