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How do mac users create a blank text file where you want it?

Started by	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
First post	2015-04-20 00:40 +0000
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#29160

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 07:28 +0000
Message-ID	<mh29r3$i5o$55@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29135

jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
1m36xby.1qjrbdg1rxfyc2N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz

> Wrong. Nothing is lost.

You clearly don't understand that which you are talking about, or, you're 
merely nitpicking on words, giving them your own personal meaning, just 
to troll.

I never said I was a Mac expert, so, if I understand this far better than 
you do, then you aren't going to add any value anytime soon.

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#29174

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 20:13 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3710d.mv4y16nhmpjoN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29160

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> 1m36xby.1qjrbdg1rxfyc2N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> 
> > Wrong. Nothing is lost.
> 
> You clearly don't understand that which you are talking about, or, you're
> merely nitpicking on words, giving them your own personal meaning, just
> to troll.
> 
> I never said I was a Mac expert, so, if I understand this far better than
> you do, then you aren't going to add any value anytime soon.

Really? I don't understand I can switch bwtween rich text and plain text
at will via the Format menu/keyboard shortcut, and thus have appropriate
Save dialog option?
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#29218

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-20 07:25 -0700
Message-ID	<200420150725521602%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#29160

In article <mh29r3$i5o$55@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> 1m36xby.1qjrbdg1rxfyc2N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> 
> > Wrong. Nothing is lost.
> 
> You clearly don't understand that which you are talking about, or, you're 
> merely nitpicking on words, giving them your own personal meaning, just 
> to troll.
> 
> I never said I was a Mac expert, so, if I understand this far better than 
> you do, then you aren't going to add any value anytime soon.

You have repeatedly demonstrated that you don't know what you are
talking about.

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#29227

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 14:37 +0000
Message-ID	<cpkh9uFg4haU15@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29160

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> 1m36xby.1qjrbdg1rxfyc2N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
>
>> Wrong. Nothing is lost.
>
> You clearly don't understand that which you are talking about, or, you're 
> merely nitpicking on words, giving them your own personal meaning, just 
> to troll.
>
> I never said I was a Mac expert, so, if I understand this far better than 
> you do, then you aren't going to add any value anytime soon.

No, it is you who do not understand. And I love how you automatically
assume you know more than anyone else here when the exact *opposite* is
the case.

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#29253

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-21 03:36 +1200
Message-ID	<1m37lkj.qaydbh483ryfN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29227

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> > jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> > 1m36xby.1qjrbdg1rxfyc2N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> >
> >> Wrong. Nothing is lost.
> >
> > You clearly don't understand that which you are talking about, or, you're
> > merely nitpicking on words, giving them your own personal meaning, just
> > to troll.
> >
> > I never said I was a Mac expert, so, if I understand this far better than
> > you do, then you aren't going to add any value anytime soon.
> 
> No, it is you who do not understand. And I love how you automatically
> assume you know more than anyone else here when the exact *opposite* is
> the case.

He's reliably wrong, if nothing else.
-- 
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#29228

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 14:36 +0000
Message-ID	<cpkh85Fg4haU14@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29102

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpjh70F8gnvU2@mid.individual.net
>
>> WRONG. There is no need to save twice. Set the format you want and save
>> it - it's that simple.
>
> I apologize for initially misunderstanding; but I believe I now 
> understand the suggested methods.

No, you still don't get it.

> This can't save a file to ASCII text (but it can save to other formats):
> 2. File > Save > File Format > {a variety of formats}

There's no such thing as File > Save > File Format > {a variety of
formats}.

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#29262

From	David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date	2015-04-20 12:35 -0500
Message-ID	<alpine.OSX.2.20.1504201227560.57809@mako.ath.cx>
In reply to	#29228

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On Monday, 20 April 2015 14:36 -0000, 
 in article <cpkh85Fg4haU14@mid.individual.net>, 
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
>> cpjh70F8gnvU2@mid.individual.net

>>> WRONG. There is no need to save twice. Set the format you want and 
>>> save it - it's that simple.

>> I apologize for initially misunderstanding; but I believe I now 
>> understand the suggested methods.

> No, you still don't get it.

>> This can't save a file to ASCII text (but it can save to other 
>> formats): 2. File > Save > File Format > {a variety of formats}

> There's no such thing as File > Save > File Format > {a variety of 
> formats}.

When saving a rich text document, in TextEdit, there is a File Format 
drop-down menu item, in the Save/Save As dialog.  It is this, to which 
Adam is referring.

When using something like MS Word, there would also be an option for 
plain text, within a similar drop-down menu, in a Save dialog, 
regardless the OS.  This is the item Adam expected and did not find.

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#29263

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 17:44 +0000
Message-ID	<cpks8pFjidnU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29262

On 2015-04-20, David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> When saving a rich text document, in TextEdit, there is a File Format 
> drop-down menu item, in the Save/Save As dialog.  It is this, to which 
> Adam is referring.

Yes, but he is completely misunderstanding how TextEdit handles rich and
plain text format documents *before* saving them.

> When using something like MS Word, there would also be an option for 
> plain text, within a similar drop-down menu, in a Save dialog, 
> regardless the OS.  This is the item Adam expected and did not find.

TextEdit isn't Word, obviously. Therefore, lots of Word features won't
be present. This is just one of them.

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#29265

From	David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date	2015-04-20 15:13 -0500
Message-ID	<alpine.OSX.2.20.1504201445110.57809@mako.ath.cx>
In reply to	#29263

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On Monday, 20 April 2015 17:44 -0000, 
 in article <cpks8pFjidnU1@mid.individual.net>, 
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-04-20, David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

>> When saving a rich text document, in TextEdit, there is a File 
>> Format drop-down menu item, in the Save/Save As dialog.  It is 
>> this, to which Adam is referring.

> Yes, but he is completely misunderstanding how TextEdit handles rich 
> and plain text format documents *before* saving them.

I think he's beginning to understand now, but it did require a 
complete rethinking of the way in which he's used to doing things.  
There's no question but that it was an uphill battle, along the 
learning curve.

>> When using something like MS Word, there would also be an option 
>> for plain text, within a similar drop-down menu, in a Save dialog, 
>> regardless the OS.  This is the item Adam expected and did not 
>> find.

> TextEdit isn't Word, obviously. Therefore, lots of Word features 
> won't be present. This is just one of them.

What may be completely obvious to you, me or any number of other 
participants in this overly repetitive and seemingly never-ending 
thread, as long term Mac users, isn't nearly as much so, to a Windows 
user.  I'm not arguing, here.  It took an extremely long time, in 
order to make the most minimal progress, due to confusions regarding 
formatting, plain text v. rich text, character sets, and more.

-- 
"The gods had condemned Sisyphus to ceaselessly rolling a rock to the
 top of a mountain, whence the stone would fall back of its own weight.
 They had thought with some reason that there is no more dreadful
 punishment than futile and hopeless labor."  - Albert Camus (1913-60)

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#29266

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 20:35 +0000
Message-ID	<cpl68rFm7ljU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29265

On 2015-04-20, David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> On Monday, 20 April 2015 17:44 -0000, 
>  in article <cpks8pFjidnU1@mid.individual.net>, 
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-04-20, David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>> When saving a rich text document, in TextEdit, there is a File 
>>> Format drop-down menu item, in the Save/Save As dialog.  It is 
>>> this, to which Adam is referring.
>
>> Yes, but he is completely misunderstanding how TextEdit handles rich 
>> and plain text format documents *before* saving them.
>
> I think he's beginning to understand now, but it did require a 
> complete rethinking of the way in which he's used to doing things.  
> There's no question but that it was an uphill battle, along the 
> learning curve.

It doesn't seem like he has adjusted his thinking *at all* to me.

>>> When using something like MS Word, there would also be an option 
>>> for plain text, within a similar drop-down menu, in a Save dialog, 
>>> regardless the OS.  This is the item Adam expected and did not 
>>> find.
>
>> TextEdit isn't Word, obviously. Therefore, lots of Word features 
>> won't be present. This is just one of them.
>
> What may be completely obvious to you, me or any number of other 
> participants in this overly repetitive and seemingly never-ending 
> thread, as long term Mac users, isn't nearly as much so, to a Windows 
> user.  I'm not arguing, here.  It took an extremely long time, in 
> order to make the most minimal progress, due to confusions regarding 
> formatting, plain text v. rich text, character sets, and more.

And he didn't get very far, either. He still has an extremely incorrect
and incomplete understanding of Mac basics. And I have to doubt whether
he ever will fix that problem with his attitude.

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#29097

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-19 22:55 -0700
Message-ID	<190420152255022468%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#29086

In article <mh211q$i5o$12@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> > Yes, you were doing something wrong; you were trying to do something the
> > hardest way possible, which it seems that you are always doing.
> 
> Do you realize there are *only* two ways to save an ASCII text file using 
> the default Macintosh text editor (based on what nospam et al. has 
> intimated) while still preserving your "Save As" options?
> 
> 1. You temporarily save to the wrong format (choose any one, as it 
> doesn't matter since you don't want this format), and then you format 
> that wrong-format file to the desired ASCII format.

Wrong!  There is *no* *need* to save a document in the "wrong"format.

> 2. You temporarily set your preferences to save *to* ASCII, and then
> you save the file to ASCII text, but since that makes you lose the
> option of saving as other format, you then immediately unset the
> preferences you just set, so that you're back where you started.

Wrong again.  You obviously do not understand, whether deliberately or
not, what you have been repeatedly told.

> Given those are the only two options available in the default text
> editor (according to everyone who has posted), 

No one has posted that.

> I must heartily agree with Jolly Roger that the Hobson's choice is to
> temporarily save to the wrong format and to then convert that wrong
> format to the desired format.

> If you know of a *simpler* option using the default text editor, please 
> tell us 

You have been told repeatedly how to do it; the fact that you cannot or
will not understand those simple steps is not our fault.

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#29140

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:53 +0000
Message-ID	<mh27pp$i5o$41@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29097

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
190420152255022468%michelle@michelle.org

> Wrong!  There is *no* *need* to save a document in the "wrong"format.

I stand corrected. 
The fact I had initially save the original file in RTF (having seen no 
plain text option at the time) and having a notion of what "formatting" 
means as opposed to "saving", I was misled by the two-menu sequence.

I now realize the two-menu sequence is as follows...

To save *to* plain text:
1. Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save

To save *as* other formats:
2. File > Save > File Format > {other formats}

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#29175

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 20:13 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3712d.16ko2311gcb24oN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29140

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420152255022468%michelle@michelle.org
> 
> > Wrong!  There is *no* *need* to save a document in the "wrong"format.
> 
> I stand corrected. 
> The fact I had initially save the original file in RTF (having seen no
> plain text option at the time) and having a notion of what "formatting"
> means as opposed to "saving", I was misled by the two-menu sequence.
> 
> I now realize the two-menu sequence is as follows...
> 
> To save *to* plain text:
> 1. Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save
> 
> To save *as* other formats:
> 2. File > Save > File Format > {other formats}

It must be really tough for you when you have to go through all this
just to know that saving is necessary to retain changes.
-- 
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#29217

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 14:25 +0000
Message-ID	<cpkgiuFg4haU9@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29140

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420152255022468%michelle@michelle.org
>
>> Wrong!  There is *no* *need* to save a document in the "wrong"format.
>
> I stand corrected. 
> The fact I had initially save the original file in RTF (having seen no 
> plain text option at the time) and having a notion of what "formatting" 
> means as opposed to "saving", I was misled by the two-menu sequence.
>
> I now realize the two-menu sequence is as follows...
>
> To save *to* plain text:
> 1. Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save
>
> To save *as* other formats:
> 2. File > Save > File Format > {other formats}

Wrong again.

My god you are dense...

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#29220

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-20 07:32 -0700
Message-ID	<200420150732365838%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#29140

In article <mh27pp$i5o$41@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> I now realize the two-menu sequence is as follows...
> 
> To save *to* plain text:
> 1. Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save
> 
> To save *as* other formats:
> 2. File > Save > File Format > {other formats}

No, they are both

File > Save

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#29133

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 18:49 +1200
Message-ID	<1m36x7r.4o1feoqu7lr6N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29086

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420152034578153%michelle@michelle.org
> 
> > Yes, you were doing something wrong; you were trying to do something the
> > hardest way possible, which it seems that you are always doing.
> 
> Do you realize there are *only* two ways to save an ASCII text file using
> the default Macintosh text editor (based on what nospam et al. has 
> intimated) while still preserving your "Save As" options?
> 
> 1. You temporarily save to the wrong format (choose any one, as it 
> doesn't matter since you don't want this format),

Wrong. No temp. save is needed.

> and then you format that wrong-format file to the desired ASCII format.
> 
> or ... 
> 
> 2. You temporarily set your preferences to save *to* ASCII, and then you
> save the file to ASCII text, but since that makes you lose the option of
> saving as other format,

Wrong. Nothing is lost.

> you then immediately unset the preferences you just set, so that you're
> back where you started.
> 
> Given those are the only two options available in the default text editor
> (according to everyone who has posted), I must heartily agree with Jolly
> Roger that the Hobson's choice is to temporarily save to the wrong format
> and to then convert that wrong format to the desired format.
> 
> If you know of a *simpler* option using the default text editor, please
> tell us because what I prefer would be to simply save as either ASCII
> text, or something else (that would be the intuitive approach Apple 
> didn't provide).

You're a moron. I truly pity the poor bastard at the mercy of your
'help'.
-- 
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#29051

From	Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date	2015-04-19 21:06 -0700
Message-ID	<2015041921060749086-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMme.com>
In reply to	#28991

On 2015-04-20 02:11:47 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420151842061874%michelle@michelle.org
> 
>> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
> 
> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
> 
> I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
> 
> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
> as simple and mundane as this.
> 
> It shouldn't take more than a dozen steps (see the detailed
> post), which, in the end, still don't result in an ASCII
> text document.
> 
> I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way,
> because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).

You must be and it isn't.


-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#29063

From	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date	2015-04-20 00:25 -0400
Message-ID	<55347fa4$0$4647$b1db1813$46decd27@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#28991

On 15-04-19 22:11, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.

Then you no longer wabt ab empty text file.

TextEdit application
Textedit Menu -> Preferences.  "New Document" Format = Plain Text.
Save preferences.

Whenebver you want a new file, you start Textedit, File -> New and voila.


For a better plain text editor, look for TextWrangler. Not sure the URL
for download.

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#29068

From	dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date	2015-04-20 14:33 +1000
Message-ID	<do_ray_me-DC16C8.14334320042015@aioe.org>
In reply to	#29063

In article <55347fa4$0$4647$b1db1813$46decd27@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> TextEdit application
> Textedit Menu -> Preferences.  "New Document" Format = Plain Text.
> Save preferences.
> 
> Whenebver you want a new file, you start Textedit, File -> New and voila.

On my TextEdit on SL, you can go to the Format menu and choose Plain 
Text, if it is defaulted to Rich Text, or choose Rich Text if it is 
defaulted to Plain. 

If you know the default, you can change it for the doc you are working 
on via the Format menu or simply Shift Command T.

-- 
dorayme

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#29088

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 05:10 +0000
Message-ID	<mh21oi$i5o$14@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29068

dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote in message
do_ray_me-DC16C8.14334320042015@aioe.org

> If you know the default, you can change it for the doc you are working
> on via the Format menu or simply Shift Command T.

This keyboard combination makes the Morton's Fork choice more palatable!

I'll inform the Macintosh user about the Shift Command T shortcut.

Thanks!

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