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How do mac users create a blank text file where you want it?

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First post	2015-04-20 00:40 +0000
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#29027

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 03:01 +0000
Message-ID	<cpj8gkF5p92U12@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29021

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj6v0F5p92U8@mid.individual.net
>
>> Like so:
>> 
>> <http://i58.tinypic.com/2wnbklv.png>
>
> That's *exactly* what this thread is asking how to do!
>
> Why don't I see that option in TextEdit?

Because you are incredibly dense or just plain trolling. 

I and others have given you instructions showing you exactly how, yet
you refuse to acknowledge them so you can continue your silly "OS X
can't do ____" game. 

Boring.

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#29107

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:05 +0000
Message-ID	<mh2500$i5o$24@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29027

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj8gkF5p92U12@mid.individual.net

> I and others have given you instructions showing you exactly how, yet
> you refuse to acknowledge them so you can continue your silly "OS X
> can't do ____" game.

I fully acknowledge that it was unintuitive to me that, initially, I was 
trying to create a text file to paste information into, and then, once I 
had that text file, it wasn't obvious to me that two different menus were 
needed in order to preserve the option of saving to either ASCII text 
(which is what I was looking for) and the other available options.

It turns out that, of the two suggested methods:
1. The preference method
2. The two-menu method

The preferences method isn't all that useful, unless the user *only* 
wishes to save to ASCII text (all the time).

Luckily, the two-menu method will keep all the file-saving options open 
to the user. The user merely needs to realize to look for the word 
"format" to save a new file to ASCII text while they'd look to the word 
"Save As" to save in all other available formats (but not ASCII text).

In summary, this menu sequence will save a new file to ASCII text:
1. Format > Make Plain/Rich Text, File > Save

This can't save a file to ASCII text (but it will save to other formats):
2. File > Save > File Format > {a variety of formats}

Is there logic to the two different menus to perform essentially the same 
task (of saving a file to a specified format)?

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#29044

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-19 20:31 -0700
Message-ID	<190420152031034141%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#29005

In article <mh1og8$3dm$9@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj5ijF5p92U2@mid.individual.net
> 
> > 1. Open TextEdit.
> > 2. From the menu bar, choose Format > Make Plain Text.
> > 3. Save.
> 
> And that saves a portable ASCII text file named filename.txt?
> 
> How?
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/GifasHd.png

You forgot step 2.

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#29054

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 04:12 +0000
Message-ID	<cpjclfF7dq8U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29044

On 2015-04-20, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <mh1og8$3dm$9@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
><ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
>> cpj5ijF5p92U2@mid.individual.net
>> 
>> > 1. Open TextEdit.
>> > 2. From the menu bar, choose Format > Make Plain Text.
>> > 3. Save.
>> 
>> And that saves a portable ASCII text file named filename.txt?
>> 
>> How?
>> 
>> http://i.imgur.com/GifasHd.png
>
> You forgot step 2.

No, he purposely ignored it so that he could continue his lame troll.

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#29103

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:00 +0000
Message-ID	<mh24mp$i5o$23@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29054

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpjclfF7dq8U3@mid.individual.net

> No, he purposely ignored it so that he could continue his lame troll.

I apologize for initially misunderstanding; but I believe I now 
understand the suggested methods.

1. The preference method
2. The two-menu method

The preferences method, I think we all agree, is suboptimal if the user 
wishes to retain the option of easily saving to various formats.

The two-menu method, while oddly unintuitive, will keep all the file-
saving options open to the user. The user merely needs to acknowledge the 
use of the "format" menu versus use of the "save" menu, when deciding 
what type of file to save.

This TextEdit menu sequence can save a new file to ASCII text:
1. Format > Make Plain/Rich Text, File > Save

This can't save a file to ASCII text (but it can save to other formats):
2. File > Save > File Format > {a variety of formats}

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#29229

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 14:38 +0000
Message-ID	<cpkhbkFg4haU16@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29103

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpjclfF7dq8U3@mid.individual.net
>
>> No, he purposely ignored it so that he could continue his lame troll.
>
> I apologize for initially misunderstanding; but I believe I now 
> understand the suggested methods.

No, you do *not* understand.

And stop copying and pasting the exact same response into multiple
posts.  It's fucking boring and asinine. 

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#29382

From	Alan Baker <email@domain.com>
Date	2015-04-22 12:17 -0700
Message-ID	<mh8s45$5ao$2@news.datemas.de>
In reply to	#29005

On 2015-04-20 02:32:40 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj5ijF5p92U2@mid.individual.net
> 
>> 1. Open TextEdit.
>> 2. From the menu bar, choose Format > Make Plain Text.
>> 3. Save.
> 
> And that saves a portable ASCII text file named filename.txt?
> 
> How?
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/GifasHd.png

You hadn't chosen "Make Plain Text" at that point in the process obviously.

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#28992

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-19 22:16 -0400
Message-ID	<190420152216371344%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#28985

In article <mh1msl$3dm$3@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> > it's very easy. launch the text edit application (or equivalent) 
> > and start writing, then save it.
> 
> 1. There is no text application in the menu, so, 

why would that be in a menu?

applications are in the applications folder.

> 2. I hit the magnifying glass and search for "text".
> 3. The first hit is Application "TextEdit".

that's the one.

> 4. Up comes a window saying something about iCloud dragging.
> 5. I switch the default from "iCloud" to "On My Mac".
> 6. I navigate to where I want the empty ASCII text file to be.
> 7. I hit the "New Document" button.
> 8. I paste in the desired ASCII text.
> 9. This creates a file named "Untitled - Edited".
> 10. When I press the save button, a "Save As" box comes up.
> 11. The box defaults to Rich Text Document.

change that in the app's preferences before saving. it's a dumb design
to put it there, but that's what it is.

if you want to edit text files, get text wrangler, which is free.

it's by far the best text editor on any platform. even the free version
will do a shitload of stuff, including formatting html or source code,
all very configurable. there are even command line tools for it.

<http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/>

> 12. There is no clear ASCII Text option, as the options are:
> a. Rich Text Document
> b. Rich Text document with Attachments
> c. Web Page (.html)
> d. Web Archive Document
> e. OpenDocument Text (.odt) Document
> f. Word 2007 (.docx) Document
> f. Word 2003 (.xml) Document
> f. Word 97 (.doc) Document
> 13. The closest thing to an ASCII text is the first.
> 14. Up pops a warning:
>     You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
>     at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".

that's because it's rtf. duh.

> Is this what Mac users go through every day?

nope.

only those who try to overcomplicate things.

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#28998

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:30 +0000
Message-ID	<cpj6luF5p92U6@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#28992

On 2015-04-20, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <cpj69jF5p92U4@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> > it's a dumb design to put it there, but that's what it is.
>> 
>> Doesn't seem very dumb to me. It's a design choice that TextEdit creates
>> rich text documents by default. Providing both a default setting in
>> preferences along with a menu command (and key binding) to change the
>> format at will seems fine to me.
>
> there should be an option at the time of saving.

I agree. I just don't agree that allowing you to set the default
document type in preferences is dumb.

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#29025

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 03:00 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1q50$3dm$18@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#28998

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj6luF5p92U6@mid.individual.net

> I agree. I just don't agree that allowing you to set the default
> document type in preferences is dumb.

It's a moot point now, but once that hidden option is set, then
the default text editor on the Macintosh easily saves ASCII 
text.

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#29031

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 03:05 +0000
Message-ID	<cpj8nnF5p92U14@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29025

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj6luF5p92U6@mid.individual.net
>
>> I agree. I just don't agree that allowing you to set the default
>> document type in preferences is dumb.
>
> It's a moot point now, but once that hidden option is set, then
> the default text editor on the Macintosh easily saves ASCII 
> text.

You took the more complicated of two solutions, rather than simply
choosing Format > Make Plain Text. Not surprised.

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#29112

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:16 +0000
Message-ID	<mh25j5$i5o$27@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29031

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj8nnF5p92U14@mid.individual.net

> You took the more complicated of two solutions, rather than simply
> choosing Format > Make Plain Text. Not surprised.

Actually, I had errantly assumed the "format" command converted file 
formats, but you have disabused me of that incorrect notion.

And, I have discarded the "preference method" since it restricts the 
users options unnecessarily (although it's good when ASCII text is the 
*only* format that the user desires).

I will suggest the Mac user learn the "two-menu" method, which is:

1. To save to ASCII text:
   Format > Make Plain Text, File > Save

2. To save as other formats (but not ASCII text):
   File > Save > File Format > {a variety of formats}

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#29036

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2015-04-20 03:25 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmj8sfh.1eq.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to	#29025

In message <mh1q50$3dm$18@news.albasani.net> 
  Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj6luF5p92U6@mid.individual.net

>> I agree. I just don't agree that allowing you to set the default
>> document type in preferences is dumb.

> It's a moot point now, but once that hidden option is set, then
> the default text editor on the Macintosh easily saves ASCII 
> text.

Are you under the mistaken impression that .rtf is not ASCII text?


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R is for RHODA consumed by a fire

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#29110

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 06:10 +0000
Message-ID	<mh2592$i5o$26@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29036

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote in message
slrnmj8sfh.1eq.g.kreme@amelia.local

> Are you under the mistaken impression that .rtf is not ASCII text?

I'm fully familiar with the fact that Rich Text Format is ASCII text just 
as HTML or XML or even a Perl script, a bash script, and even C++ source 
code is ASCII text.

What would you wish me to call the "plain text" files if you're confused 
by the words "ASCII text"?

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#29155

From	David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:18 -0500
Message-ID	<alpine.OSX.2.20.1504200214380.57809@mako.ath.cx>
In reply to	#29110

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On Monday, 20 April 2015 06:10 -0000, 
 in article <mh2592$i5o$26@news.albasani.net>, 
 Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> What would you wish me to call the "plain text" files if you're 
> confused by the words "ASCII text"?

Plain text works. 

I'm hardly confused by ASCII character sets, but that's not what 
you're actually after.  The fact is, that selecting 7-bit ASCII will 
turn around and bite you in the butt, the moment someone enters an 
8-bit character into your form.

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#29167

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 07:44 +0000
Message-ID	<mh2ao9$i5o$60@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29155

David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote in message
alpine.OSX.2.20.1504200214380.57809@mako.ath.cx

>> What would you wish me to call the "plain text" files if you're
>> confused by the words "ASCII text"?
> 
> Plain text works.
> 
> I'm hardly confused by ASCII character sets, but that's not what you're
> actually after.  The fact is, that selecting 7-bit ASCII will turn
> around and bite you in the butt, the moment someone enters an 8-bit
> character into your form.

Thanks for clarifying this.

I have used plain text files for decades, but I have never dealt with the 
specifics other than to deal with the way UNIX and Windows handled line 
feeds and end of file characters differently (in the Samba days) and with 
how the older Apple CAP protocol handled the resource and data forks 
differently.

So, my main experience was merely with portability and, in the olden 
days, with mime encoding to convert binary files to ASCII so that they 
could be transmitted on uucp and early email systems (before MIME 
encoding became a matter of course).

So, I guess it's time I boned up on the various text file formats again.
:)

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#29200

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2015-04-20 12:57 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmj9tvc.42i.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to	#29155

In message <alpine.OSX.2.20.1504200214380.57809@mako.ath.cx> 
  David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 20 April 2015 06:10 -0000, 
>  in article <mh2592$i5o$26@news.albasani.net>, 
>  Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>> What would you wish me to call the "plain text" files if you're 
>> confused by the words "ASCII text"?

> Plain text works. 

Plain text is fine. ASCII text implies many thing that are incorrect.

First off, the text format for my files is not ASCII at all, but UTF-8.
This is true for *all* files even if they contain only characters in the
ASCII code table.

Second, it implies that files like rtf file sor html files are not ASCII
text when they very well might be (or might not be, all my HTML files
are UTF-8).

> I'm hardly confused by ASCII character sets, but that's not what 
> you're actually after.  The fact is, that selecting 7-bit ASCII will 
> turn around and bite you in the butt, the moment someone enters an 
> 8-bit character into your form.

And .txt does not imply 7bit ASCII.

$ file test.txt 
test.txt: UTF-8 Unicode text
$ cat test.txt 
This is a test 🖖 

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colours of the aurora. And time was passing. To a creature not born
subject to time, it was a sensation not unakin to falling. --Lords and
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#29147

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 19:07 +1200
Message-ID	<1m36xz1.1jt3x1bhosn6uN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29025

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj6luF5p92U6@mid.individual.net
> 
> > I agree. I just don't agree that allowing you to set the default
> > document type in preferences is dumb.
> 
> It's a moot point now, but once that hidden option is set, then
> the default text editor on the Macintosh easily saves ASCII 
> text.

How is anything hidden?
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#29164

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 07:31 +0000
Message-ID	<mh2a0a$i5o$57@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29147

jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
1m36xz1.1jt3x1bhosn6uN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz

> How is anything hidden?

You're an idiot and it's time to plunk you, not for me, as I can handle 
idiots, but for everyone else who has to wade through your idiocy.

Gnite forever!

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#29178

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 20:13 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3716o.egzy2p1egi9ttN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29164

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> 1m36xz1.1jt3x1bhosn6uN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> 
> > How is anything hidden?
> 
> You're an idiot and it's time to plunk you, not for me, as I can handle
> idiots, but for everyone else who has to wade through your idiocy.
> 
> Gnite forever!

Please do :-)
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