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How do mac users create a blank text file where you want it?

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First post	2015-04-20 00:40 +0000
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#29360

From	Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date	2015-04-22 13:08 -0400
Message-ID	<5537d59b$0$38646$b1db1813$65575428@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#29349

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1504221037270.31550@mako.ath.cx>,
 David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

> As it happens, I agree with Adam, that the way TextEdit works isn't as 
> intuitive as having the option of saving a file, in whatever format 
> one desires, directly from the Save dialog.

The other thing is, I think in Windows you can right click on the 
"desktop" and get an option (in a contextual menu) to create and open a 
text file. I think. I don't have a Windows open at the moment to try it 
out.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#29366

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-22 17:31 +0000
Message-ID	<cpq47kFt5tjU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29360

On 2015-04-22, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1504221037270.31550@mako.ath.cx>,
>  David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> As it happens, I agree with Adam, that the way TextEdit works isn't as 
>> intuitive as having the option of saving a file, in whatever format 
>> one desires, directly from the Save dialog.
>
> The other thing is, I think in Windows you can right click on the 
> "desktop" and get an option (in a contextual menu) to create and open a 
> text file. I think. I don't have a Windows open at the moment to try it 
> out.

Yes, but you won't be creating any other type of document that way which
means it is an inconsistent UI. Expecting OS X to incorporate every
brain-dead feature from Windows is a big mistake. Ain't gonna happen. 

If you *insist* on using the desktop to create new text files, there are
ways to do that in OS X. If you dislike third-party solutions like Neu
(link below), you can write a three-line AppleScript or single-line bash
script to do it and launch that from your Dock or Desktop.

<http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/34606/neu>

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#29383

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-22 12:21 -0700
Message-ID	<220420151221072981%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#29360

In article <5537d59b$0$38646$b1db1813$65575428@news.astraweb.com>,
Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> The other thing is, I think in Windows you can right click on the 
> "desktop" and get an option (in a contextual menu) to create and open a 
> text file. I think. I don't have a Windows open at the moment to try it 
> out.

I made a service, using automator, that creates a blank text file on
the desktop.

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#29364

From	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca>
Date	2015-04-22 13:22 -0400
Message-ID	<5537d8d8$0$64023$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#29349

On 15-04-22 11:57, David Ritz wrote:

> Sure, there be trolls here, but assuming everyone with a basic 
> question is a troll is counterproductive, 

That is because the 3 people who constantly accuse people of being
trolls are in fact the trolls. They constantly shift topics from the
actual related topic to personal accusations of trolling and ill intent.

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#29371

From	Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date	2015-04-22 14:05 -0400
Message-ID	<5537e2db$0$63950$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#29364

In article <5537d8d8$0$64023$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 15-04-22 11:57, David Ritz wrote:
> 
> > Sure, there be trolls here, but assuming everyone with a basic 
> > question is a troll is counterproductive, 
> 
> That is because the 3 people who constantly accuse people of being
> trolls are in fact the trolls. They constantly shift topics from the
> actual related topic to personal accusations of trolling and ill intent.

So what about them Habs?
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#29385

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-22 12:23 -0700
Message-ID	<220420151223110374%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#29364

In article <5537d8d8$0$64023$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com>, JF
Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 15-04-22 11:57, David Ritz wrote:
> 
> > Sure, there be trolls here, but assuming everyone with a basic 
> > question is a troll is counterproductive, 
> 
> That is because the 3 people who constantly accuse people of being
> trolls are in fact the trolls. They constantly shift topics from the
> actual related topic to personal accusations of trolling and ill intent.
> 
In a word, "baloney".

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#29427

From	Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date	2015-04-24 06:54 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmjjq7c.l8.g.kreme@amelia.local>
In reply to	#29349

In message <alpine.OSX.2.20.1504221037270.31550@mako.ath.cx> 
  David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 22 April 2015 11:13 -0400, 
>  in article <mh8dqc$fi0$1@news.albasani.net>, 
>  AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> On 4/22/15, 10:06, David Ritz wrote:

>>> Adam has been posting to Usenet, using the same address, for 
>>> significantly longer than a decade.  While this may have been his 
>>> first appearance in comp.sys.mac.*, he's been around a while.

>> However long "Adam" has been around other news groups, he has been 
>> around this one under various nyms from "Vinny" to most recently 
>> "Sunshine" and "Sobriquet," making "inquiries" about how difficult 
>> it is to use MacOS compared with Linux. He "fails to understand" 
>> clear instruction about using Mac, claiming that his instructors 
>> agree with his absurd assertions, and drags out these discussions ad 
>> nauseam. Those who continue "assisting" him without result are 
>> partly to blame for the nausea.

> This assumes facts not in evidence.  You may believe your assumption, 
> that everyone who comes from a different OS, expecting OS X to work 
> exactly the same way things work under Windows or Linux, is the same 
> individual, but it seems to be a lot to accept on its face.

It is obviously the same person. Anyone can see that.

-- 
'Now what?' it said. IT'S UP TO YOU. IT'S ALWAYS UP TO YOU. --Maskerade

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#29354

From	Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
Date	2015-04-22 09:40 -0700
Message-ID	<2015042209403148965-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMme.com>
In reply to	#29347

On 2015-04-22 15:13:16 +0000, AV3 said:

> On 4/22/15, 10:06, David Ritz wrote:
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>> 
>> On Tuesday, 21 April 2015 22:53 -0700,
>> in article<210420152253587119%michelle@michelle.org>,
>> Michelle Steiner<michelle@michelle.org>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?
>> 
>> He popped up in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, a day or so after
>> dropping out of this thread.  His questions there were answered
>> to his satisfaction.
>> 
>> Adam has been posting to Usenet, using the same address, for
>> significantly longer than a decade.  While this may have been his
>> first appearence in comp.sys.mac.*, he's been around a while.
>> 
> 
> 
> However long "Adam" has been around other news groups, he has been 
> around this one under various nyms from "Vinny" to most recently 
> "Sunshine" and "Sobriquet," making "inquiries" about how difficult it 
> is to use MacOS compared with Linux. He "fails to understand" clear 
> instruction about using Mac, claiming that his instructors agree with 
> his absurd assertions, and drags out these discussions ad nauseam. 
> Those who continue "assisting" him without result are partly to blame 
> for the nausea.

Actually "Sobriquet" isn't one of his nyms. "Sobriquet" is a parasitic, 
troglodyte, anarchist form Utrecht in the Netherlands. He is a regular 
in the Photo news groups an is exactly th same asshole there. His real 
name is Niek Sprakel.

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#29348

From	John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
Date	2015-04-22 08:14 -0700
Message-ID	<mh8dq5$qod$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#29346

On 4/22/15   PDT 7:06 AM, David Ritz wrote:
In reply to Michelle S.

>> Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?
>
> He popped up in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet, a day or so after
> dropping out of this thread.  His questions there were answered
> to his satisfaction.
>
> Adam has been posting to Usenet, using the same address, for
> significantly longer than a decade.  While this may have been his
> first appearence in comp.sys.mac.*, he's been around a while.

Indeed. He's seen often at alt.online-service.comcast. Pretty much a 
straight shooter, though this last foray has me wondering.

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#29351

From	nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello)
Date	2015-04-22 10:30 -0600
Message-ID	<1m39yzj.1b11fe548zoxeN%nmassello@yahoo.com>
In reply to	#29346

David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Adam has been posting to Usenet, using the same address, for 
> significantly longer than a decade.  While this may have been his 
> first appearence in comp.sys.mac.*, he's been around a while.

For the full Kerman experience, dip into rec.arts.tv.

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#29373

From	Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid>
Date	2015-04-22 18:15 +0000
Message-ID	<cpq6q3F1f4U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29339

On 2015-04-22, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <mh6tn8$2oq$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
><email@domain.com> wrote:
>
>> >> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
>> > 
>> > I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
>> > 
>> > I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
>> > ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
>> > and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
>> 
>> So copy the text, open TextEdit, paste, save.
>> 
>> Done.
>
> Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?

Unfortunately, you're still not dead.

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#29378

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-23 07:10 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3bl7h.1si5lld1s0x8q5N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29373

Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> On 2015-04-22, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <mh6tn8$2oq$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> ><email@domain.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
> >> > 
> >> > I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
> >> > 
> >> > I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> >> > ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> >> > and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
> >> 
> >> So copy the text, open TextEdit, paste, save.
> >> 
> >> Done.
> >
> > Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?
> 
> Unfortunately, you're still not dead.

So who is this insecure blowhard? I can't keep up with the nymshifting.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#28988

From	dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date	2015-04-20 12:19 +1000
Message-ID	<do_ray_me-462889.12193520042015@aioe.org>
In reply to	#28981

In article <190420152135434139%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <190420151804205941%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > > as above, launch text edit or similar, type some text and then save it
> > > to wherever you want.
> > 
> > You don't even have to type some text.
> 
> sure, but an empty file is pointless.

Not so.

-- 
dorayme

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#28979

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-19 20:50 -0400
Message-ID	<190420152050160494%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#28976

In article <mh1htc$3dm$2@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> I tried to help a friend create a simple text file on
> Macintosh OSX 10.9.5 and it was very difficult.

it's very easy. launch the text edit application (or equivalent) and
start writing, then save it.

> Right clicking didn't have any option to create a text file.
> http://i.imgur.com/RkrcG3M.png

of course it doesn't, because creating a text file is not a function of
finder. 

why would anyone expect such a function to be there? you don't see
create a spreadsheet or photo there either, do you?

> So I had to find an existing text file because I couldn't
> just create an empty text file.
> 
> Once I dug around and found a text file, I then found the 
> "duplicate" menu, and I duplicated it to "filename copy", 
> but was unable to just cut and paste it without duplicating
> it first.

dragging a file is much easier than cut/paste.

...

> Given the simple goal of 
> a) Creating a blank text file
> b) In a desired location
> c) With some indication that it's a text file
> How would a Mac user have done this task?

as above, launch text edit or similar, type some text and then save it
to wherever you want.

as usual, you're doing things in the most complicated and fucked up way
possible.

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#28985

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:05 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1msl$3dm$3@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#28979

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
190420152050160494nospamospam@nospam.invalid

> it's very easy. launch the text edit application (or equivalent) 
> and start writing, then save it.

1. There is no text application in the menu, so, 
2. I hit the magnifying glass and search for "text".
3. The first hit is Application "TextEdit".
4. Up comes a window saying something about iCloud dragging.
5. I switch the default from "iCloud" to "On My Mac".
6. I navigate to where I want the empty ASCII text file to be.
7. I hit the "New Document" button.
8. I paste in the desired ASCII text.
9. This creates a file named "Untitled - Edited".
10. When I press the save button, a "Save As" box comes up.
11. The box defaults to Rich Text Document.
12. There is no clear ASCII Text option, as the options are:
a. Rich Text Document
b. Rich Text document with Attachments
c. Web Page (.html)
d. Web Archive Document
e. OpenDocument Text (.odt) Document
f. Word 2007 (.docx) Document
f. Word 2003 (.xml) Document
f. Word 97 (.doc) Document
13. The closest thing to an ASCII text is the first.
14. Up pops a warning:
    You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
    at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".

Is this what Mac users go through every day?
Or am I still doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way)?
What selection is a plain ASCII text document?

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#28990

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:11 +0000
Message-ID	<cpj5ijF5p92U2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#28985

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> 190420152050160494nospamospam@nospam.invalid
>
>> it's very easy. launch the text edit application (or equivalent) 
>> and start writing, then save it.
>
> 1. There is no text application in the menu, so, 
> 2. I hit the magnifying glass and search for "text".
> 3. The first hit is Application "TextEdit".
> 4. Up comes a window saying something about iCloud dragging.
> 5. I switch the default from "iCloud" to "On My Mac".
> 6. I navigate to where I want the empty ASCII text file to be.
> 7. I hit the "New Document" button.
> 8. I paste in the desired ASCII text.
> 9. This creates a file named "Untitled - Edited".
> 10. When I press the save button, a "Save As" box comes up.
> 11. The box defaults to Rich Text Document.
> 12. There is no clear ASCII Text option, as the options are:
> a. Rich Text Document
> b. Rich Text document with Attachments
> c. Web Page (.html)
> d. Web Archive Document
> e. OpenDocument Text (.odt) Document
> f. Word 2007 (.docx) Document
> f. Word 2003 (.xml) Document
> f. Word 97 (.doc) Document
> 13. The closest thing to an ASCII text is the first.
> 14. Up pops a warning:
>     You cannot save this document with extension ".txt"
>     at the end of the name. The required extension is ".rtf".
>
> Is this what Mac users go through every day?

Nope, just you. You are trying to use your Mac like your grandfather's
crappy Windows computer, which is a bad idea and will result in lots of
wasted time and frustration on your part. Until you embrace better ways,
you won't be very productive. This has been explained to you ad nauseam,
but your bull-headed attitude prevents you from understanding. Your
loss.

> Or am I still doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way)?
> What selection is a plain ASCII text document?

It's extremely simple:

1. Open TextEdit.
2. From the menu bar, choose Format > Make Plain Text.
3. Save.

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#29005

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:32 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1og8$3dm$9@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#28990

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj5ijF5p92U2@mid.individual.net

> 1. Open TextEdit.
> 2. From the menu bar, choose Format > Make Plain Text.
> 3. Save.

And that saves a portable ASCII text file named filename.txt?

How?

http://i.imgur.com/GifasHd.png

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#29014

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:35 +0000
Message-ID	<cpj6v0F5p92U8@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#29005

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
> cpj5ijF5p92U2@mid.individual.net
>
>> 1. Open TextEdit.
>> 2. From the menu bar, choose Format > Make Plain Text.
>> 3. Save.
>
> And that saves a portable ASCII text file named filename.txt?

Absolutely. You think I'm lying or something?

> How?
>
> http://i.imgur.com/GifasHd.png

Like so:

<http://i58.tinypic.com/2wnbklv.png>

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#29021

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 02:47 +0000
Message-ID	<mh1pbm$3dm$15@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29014

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote in message
cpj6v0F5p92U8@mid.individual.net

> Like so:
> 
> <http://i58.tinypic.com/2wnbklv.png>

That's *exactly* what this thread is asking how to do!

Why don't I see that option in TextEdit?

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#29024

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-19 22:48 -0400
Message-ID	<190420152248195486%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#29021

In article <mh1pbm$3dm$15@news.albasani.net>, Adam H. Kerman
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> > <http://i58.tinypic.com/2wnbklv.png>
> 
> That's *exactly* what this thread is asking how to do!
> 
> Why don't I see that option in TextEdit?

because you're not paying attention.

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