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  newsreaders again Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-16 21:54 +0000
    Re: newsreaders again gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-04-16 15:12 -0700
      Re: newsreaders again Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-17 21:48 +0000
        Re: newsreaders again georg.schwarz@freenet.de (Georg Schwarz) - 2015-04-18 10:41 +0200
    Re: newsreaders again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-16 22:14 +0000
      Re: newsreaders again Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-17 21:48 +0000
        Re: newsreaders again gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-04-17 18:37 -0700
          Re: newsreaders again Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-18 01:54 +0000
      Re: newsreaders again erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-19 19:25 -0500
    Re: newsreaders again AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2015-04-16 18:15 -0400
      Re: newsreaders again Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-17 21:48 +0000
    Re: newsreaders again David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-16 18:58 -0500
      Re: newsreaders again Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-17 21:48 +0000
        Re: newsreaders again erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2015-04-19 19:28 -0500
          Re: newsreaders again David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-19 21:29 -0500
      Re: newsreaders again John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-18 14:58 -0700
        Re: newsreaders again David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-18 18:58 -0500
          Re: newsreaders again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-18 17:30 -0700
          Re: newsreaders again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-19 02:28 +0000
          Re: newsreaders again John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-19 08:22 -0700
            Re: newsreaders again David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-19 11:12 -0500
              Re: newsreaders again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-19 09:20 -0700
                Re: newsreaders again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-19 16:31 +0000
                  Re: newsreaders again Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-19 12:41 -0400
                    Re: newsreaders again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-19 09:46 -0700
                      Re: newsreaders again Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-19 15:16 -0400
                        Re: newsreaders again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-19 20:14 +0000
                      Re: newsreaders again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-19 19:38 +0000
                    Re: newsreaders again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-19 19:34 +0000
                Re: newsreaders again Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-19 18:17 +0100
                  Re: newsreaders again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-19 10:30 -0700
                    Re: newsreaders again jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-20 05:56 +1200
                    Re: newsreaders again David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-19 17:44 -0500
                      Re: newsreaders again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-20 00:08 +0000
                      Re: newsreaders again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-19 17:05 -0700
                        Re: newsreaders again David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-19 20:02 -0500
                          Re: newsreaders again Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-04-19 18:43 -0700
                  Re: newsreaders again Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-19 11:17 -0700
              Re: newsreaders again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-19 16:28 +0000
            Re: newsreaders again Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-19 12:32 -0400
              Re: newsreaders again John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-19 11:19 -0700
    Re: newsreaders again befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2015-04-17 09:02 +0200
      Re: newsreaders again jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-17 21:11 +1200
        Re: newsreaders again Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-17 21:48 +0000
          Re: newsreaders again dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-18 13:50 +1200
    Re: newsreaders again Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2015-04-17 12:31 -0400
      Re: newsreaders again sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-04-17 17:49 +0000
        Re: newsreaders again Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-17 19:26 +0000
          Re: newsreaders again Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-17 21:48 +0000
      Re: newsreaders again Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-17 21:48 +0000
        Re: newsreaders again tmo1138 <tmo1138@tmo1138.com> - 2015-04-18 14:29 +0000
    Re: newsreaders again David Fritzinger <email@domain.com> - 2015-04-18 14:12 -0400

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#28888 — newsreaders again

MacSoup only reaches 10.9, apparently. Unison and Thinderbird both insist
news.eternal-september.org doesn't exist, or at least can't find it. That's
what I'm using on the iPad and the old SnowLeopard laptop and have been for
the odd few years now.  
Suggestions, please!

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28889

On 2015-04-16 21:54:16 +0000, Erilar said:

> Unison and Thinderbird both insist news.eternal-september.org doesn't 
> exist, or at least can't find it.

Try albasani.net instead.

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#28906

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2015-04-16 21:54:16 +0000, Erilar said:
> 
>> Unison and Thinderbird both insist news.eternal-september.org doesn't >
>> exist, or at least can't find it.
> 
> Try albasani.net instead.

Also saved, thanks.
-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28919

Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

> > Try albasani.net instead.
> 
> Also saved, thanks.

The following overview might be of interest:

http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Usenet/Public_News_Servers/


-- 
Georg Schwarz    http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
 georg.schwarz@freenet.de  +49 176 91313874

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#28890

On 2015-04-16, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>
> Unison and Thinderbird both insist news.eternal-september.org doesn't
> exist, or at least can't find it.

What is the verbatim error message?

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#28907

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2015-04-16, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Unison and Thinderbird both insist news.eternal-september.org doesn't
>> exist, or at least can't find it.
> 
> What is the verbatim error message?

I'll fond out next time I try. My arthritic shoulder is screaming at me
after two long sessions on hold today, and my patience has been fried for
the moment.  (One with Apple, and and even longer one with my health
insurance company)

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28913

On 2015-04-17 21:48:36 +0000, Erilar said:

> My arthritic shoulder is screaming at me
> after two long sessions on hold today, and my patience has been fried for
> the moment.  (One with Apple, and and even longer one with my health
> insurance company)

We can't fix all your problems, but I'd recommend a phone with a 
speakerphone option, and aversion to starting a cserv call without an 
engaging book and a fully loaded battery in the phone.

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#28916

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2015-04-17 21:48:36 +0000, Erilar said:
> 
>> My arthritic shoulder is screaming at me
>> after two long sessions on hold today, and my patience has been fried for
>> the moment.  (One with Apple, and and even longer one with my health
>> insurance company)
> 
> We can't fix all your problems, but I'd recommend a phone with a
> speakerphone option, and aversion to starting a cserv call without an
> engaging book and a fully loaded battery in the phone.

I was playing solitaire as I waited, but a normal landline phone does
require a hand, true.  My stupid phone does have that option, but can't be
used in the house, which is mostly underground. (Said phone lives in the
car for emergency away from home) long waits on the phone are rather rare
in my life, but today was truly bad.
-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28973

In article <cpaqhiF26ueU2@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-04-16, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> >
> > Unison and Thinderbird both insist news.eternal-september.org doesn't
> > exist, or at least can't find it.
> 
> What is the verbatim error message?

I'd have to run back and forth between computers to get one and post 
elsewhere, but Unison doesn't actually give me one, just spins endlessly 
on group icons with everything except "get group" grayed out, and trying 
that has no effect at all.  I tried feeding it giganews here and there 
to no effect. Thunderbird just sits there and does nothing at all.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#28891

On 4/16/15, 17:54, Erilar wrote:
> MacSoup only reaches 10.9, apparently. Unison and Thinderbird both insist
> news.eternal-september.org doesn't exist, or at least can't find it. That's
> what I'm using on the iPad and the old SnowLeopard laptop and have been for
> the odd few years now.
> Suggestions, please!
>


I have been subscribed to news.eternal-september.org on Thunderbird 
since time immemorial. I dimly remember something about a name change 
that didn't affect me. eternal-september is still indicated in headers. 
I suggest you Google the above address and follow up on what you find. 
Is it possible your previous attempt to subscribe involved an 
involuntary misspelling?


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||Arnoldo VIKTORO, Nov-jorkurbo, t. e., <arvimideQ@Wearthlink.net>   ||
||Remove capital letters from e-mail address for correct address/    ||
||    Forigu majusklajn literojn el e-poŝta adreso por ĝusta adreso  ||
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#28908

AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 4/16/15, 17:54, Erilar wrote:
>> MacSoup only reaches 10.9, apparently. Unison and Thinderbird both insist
>> news.eternal-september.org doesn't exist, or at least can't find it. That's
>> what I'm using on the iPad and the old SnowLeopard laptop and have been for
>> the odd few years now.
>> Suggestions, please!
>> 
> 
> 
> I have been subscribed to news.eternal-september.org on Thunderbird since
> time immemorial. I dimly remember something about a name change that
> didn't affect me. eternal-september is still indicated in headers. I
> suggest you Google the above address and follow up on what you find. Is
> it possible your previous attempt to subscribe involved an involuntary misspelling?
> 

If it were a single try, I'd think it might be, but that was my first
suspicion, so I was VERY careful on aubsequent attempts.

-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28893

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On Thursday, 16 April 2015 21:54 -0000, 
 in article <198240466450913793.728519drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>, 
 Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

> MacSoup only reaches 10.9, apparently. Unison and Thinderbird both 
> insist news.eternal-september.org doesn't exist, or at least can't 
> find it. That's what I'm using on the iPad and the old SnowLeopard 
> laptop and have been for the odd few years now.  Suggestions, 
> please!

PEBCAK.  Check to make sure you've configured WeverTF you're using to 
access Usenet, to a port associated with NNTP (Net-News Transfer 
Protocol).

 $ grep nntp /etc/services 
 nntp            119/udp     # Network News Transfer Protocol
 nntp            119/tcp     # Network News Transfer Protocol
 nntps           563/udp     # nntp protocol over TLS/SSL (was snntp)
 nntps           563/tcp     # nntp protocol over TLS/SSL (was snntp)

E-S supports both, AFAICT.

 $ telnet news.eternal-september.org 119 ; date -u
 Trying 213.239.209.88...
 Connected to news.eternal-september.org.
 Escape character is '^]'.
 200 mx02.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.6.0 (20150326 snapshot) ready (posting ok)
 DATE
 QUIT
 111 20150416232805
 205 Bye!
 Connection closed by foreign host.
 Thu Apr 16 23:29:04 UTC 2015

<aside>
It looks like the clock on their box is out of NTP synchroniation.)

$ ntpdate -q tick.usno.navy.mil tock.usno.navy.mil
server 192.5.41.40, stratum 1, offset -0.000027, delay 0.07973
server 192.5.41.41, stratum 1, offset -0.000257, delay 0.07951
16 Apr 18:50:24 ntpdate[60115]: adjust time server 192.5.41.41 offset -0.000257 sec
</aside>

If the port is correct, make sure you have something resembling a 
configured DNS:

    Open /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app
    type "dig +short A news.eternal-september.org" and hit return.

You should see that the "A" record points to 213.239.209.88.  If it 
doesn't, it's a sign your network configuration is b0rken.

    $ dig +short A news.eternal-september.org
    213.239.209.88

Assuming you're an E-S subscriber, see their User Settings page: 
<http://www.eternal-september.org/userfunctions.php>.

If all else fails, RTFM.

- -- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#28909

David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
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> On Thursday, 16 April 2015 21:54 -0000, 
>  in article <198240466450913793.728519drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>, 
>  Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:
> 
>> MacSoup only reaches 10.9, apparently. Unison and Thinderbird both 
>> insist news.eternal-september.org doesn't exist, or at least can't 
>> find it. That's what I'm using on the iPad and the old SnowLeopard 
>> laptop and have been for the odd few years now.  Suggestions, 
>> please!
> 
> PEBCAK.  Check to make sure you've configured WeverTF you're using to 
> access Usenet, to a port associated with NNTP (Net-News Transfer 
> Protocol).
> 
>  $ grep nntp /etc/services 
>  nntp            119/udp     # Network News Transfer Protocol
>  nntp            119/tcp     # Network News Transfer Protocol
>  nntps           563/udp     # nntp protocol over TLS/SSL (was snntp)
>  nntps           563/tcp     # nntp protocol over TLS/SSL (was snntp)
> 
> E-S supports both, AFAICT.
> 
>  $ telnet news.eternal-september.org 119 ; date -u
>  Trying 213.239.209.88...
>  Connected to news.eternal-september.org.
>  Escape character is '^]'.
>  200 mx02.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.6.0
> (20150326 snapshot) ready (posting ok)
>  DATE
>  QUIT
>  111 20150416232805
>  205 Bye!
>  Connection closed by foreign host.
>  Thu Apr 16 23:29:04 UTC 2015
> 
> <aside>
> It looks like the clock on their box is out of NTP synchroniation.)
> 
> $ ntpdate -q tick.usno.navy.mil tock.usno.navy.mil
> server 192.5.41.40, stratum 1, offset -0.000027, delay 0.07973
> server 192.5.41.41, stratum 1, offset -0.000257, delay 0.07951
> 16 Apr 18:50:24 ntpdate[60115]: adjust time server 192.5.41.41 offset -0.000257 sec
> </aside>
> 
> If the port is correct, make sure you have something resembling a 
> configured DNS:
> 
>     Open /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app
>     type "dig +short A news.eternal-september.org" and hit return.
> 
> You should see that the "A" record points to 213.239.209.88.  If it 
> doesn't, it's a sign your network configuration is b0rken.
> 
>     $ dig +short A news.eternal-september.org
>     213.239.209.88
> 
> Assuming you're an E-S subscriber, see their User Settings page: 
> <http://www.eternal-september.org/userfunctions.php>.
> 
> If all else fails, RTFM.
> 
> - -- 
> David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
>  Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.
> 
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Also mailed this to me.
-- 
biblioholic medievalist

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#28974

In article 
<357881313450999632.683012drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september
.org>,
 Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

> David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
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> > PEBCAK.  Check to make sure you've configured WeverTF you're using to 
> > access Usenet, to a port associated with NNTP (Net-News Transfer 
> > Protocol).
> > 
> >  $ grep nntp /etc/services 
> >  nntp            119/udp     # Network News Transfer Protocol
> >  nntp            119/tcp     # Network News Transfer Protocol
> >  nntps           563/udp     # nntp protocol over TLS/SSL (was snntp)
> >  nntps           563/tcp     # nntp protocol over TLS/SSL (was snntp)

 I don't know where to access any of this 8-(

> > E-S supports both, AFAICT.
> > 
> >  $ telnet news.eternal-september.org 119 ; date -u
> >  Trying 213.239.209.88...
> >  Connected to news.eternal-september.org.
> >  Escape character is '^]'.
> >  200 mx02.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.6.0
> > (20150326 snapshot) ready (posting ok)
> >  DATE
> >  QUIT
> >  111 20150416232805
> >  205 Bye!
> >  Connection closed by foreign host.
> >  Thu Apr 16 23:29:04 UTC 2015
> > 
> > <aside>
> > It looks like the clock on their box is out of NTP synchroniation.)
> > 
> > $ ntpdate -q tick.usno.navy.mil tock.usno.navy.mil
> > server 192.5.41.40, stratum 1, offset -0.000027, delay 0.07973
> > server 192.5.41.41, stratum 1, offset -0.000257, delay 0.07951
> > 16 Apr 18:50:24 ntpdate[60115]: adjust time server 192.5.41.41 offset 
> > -0.000257 sec
> > </aside>
> > 
> > If the port is correct, make sure you have something resembling a 
> > configured DNS:
> > 
> >     Open /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app
> >     type "dig +short A news.eternal-september.org" and hit return.
> > 
> > You should see that the "A" record points to 213.239.209.88.  If it 
> > doesn't, it's a sign your network configuration is b0rken.
> > 
> >     $ dig +short A news.eternal-september.org
> >     213.239.209.88
> > 
> > Assuming you're an E-S subscriber, see their User Settings page: 
> > <http://www.eternal-september.org/userfunctions.php>.
> > 
> > If all else fails, RTFM.
> > 
> > - -- 
> > David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
> >  Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.
> > 
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> Also mailed this to me.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist

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#28997

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On Sunday, 19 April 2015 19:28 -0500, 
 in article <drache-E0B0DE.19283819042015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>, 
 erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote:

> In article <357881313450999632.683012drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>, 
>  Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote:

>> David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

>>> PEBCAK.  Check to make sure you've configured WeverTF you're 
>>> using to access Usenet, to a port associated with NNTP (Net-News 
>>> Transfer Protocol).

>>>  $ grep nntp /etc/services 
>>>  nntp            119/udp     # Network News Transfer Protocol
>>>  nntp            119/tcp     # Network News Transfer Protocol
>>>  nntps           563/udp     # nntp protocol over TLS/SSL (was snntp)
>>>  nntps           563/tcp     # nntp protocol over TLS/SSL (was snntp)

>  I don't know where to access any of this 8-(

The NNTP port, port 119, exists on news.eternal-september.org, as it 
does on nearly all NNTP servers, for use with the Net-News Transfer 
Protocol.

You need to configure your NNTP software to use this port, rather than 
any of the other 65535 possible network ports.

>>> E-S supports both, AFAICT.

>>>  $ telnet news.eternal-september.org 119 ; date -u
                                         ^^^
>>>  Trying 213.239.209.88...
>>>  Connected to news.eternal-september.org.
>>>  Escape character is '^]'.
>>>  200 mx02.eternal-september.org InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.6.0 (20150326 snapshot) ready (posting ok)
>>>  DATE
>>>  QUIT
>>>  111 20150416232805
>>>  205 Bye!
>>>  Connection closed by foreign host.
>>>  Thu Apr 16 23:29:04 UTC 2015

>>> If the port is correct, make sure you have something resembling a 
>>> configured DNS:

Did you try any of this part?  It's going to tell you whether your 
computer is connected to the Internet and whether it can resolve 
hosts.  It's rather important, if you are going to use the Internet, 
with your new computer.

>>>     Open /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This says the Terminal application is located within the Utilities 
directory (folder), inside the Applications directory, at the root 
level of your boot partition, what you think of as your Startup Disk.  
(It's usually named, "Macintosh HD," by default.)

Once you locate it, double-click the icon, to launch the Terminal.

Otherwise, type command-space on your keyboard.  When the Spotlight 
search window appears, begin typing, "Terminal," and hit Return when 
the name of the application appears.

>>>     type "dig +short A news.eternal-september.org" and hit return.

>>> You should see that the "A" record points to 213.239.209.88.  If it 
>>> doesn't, it's a sign your network configuration is b0rken.

>>>     $ dig +short A news.eternal-september.org
>>>     213.239.209.88

I've seen nothing from you to suggest you can even run a web-browser 
successfully, on your new computer.  All you keep repeating is, 
"Nothing works," without ever defining what it is that isn't working.

>>> Assuming you're an E-S subscriber, see their User Settings page: 
>>> <http://www.eternal-september.org/userfunctions.php>.

>>> If all else fails, RTFM.

>> Also mailed this to me.

Ah, but have you read the fucking manual, consulted the help files on 
your computer, followed any of the available tutorials, checked any of 
the hints, or read the directions E-S gives you on their support 
pages, for configuring a newsreader to work with their servers?

P.S. You're overdue for that visit to an Apple Store.  When you 
finally do get there, take a look at their schedule of classes and 
tutorials.  You need hands-on help, which seems beyond the skills of 
your trusted 'specializes in Macs" shop.  Your shop appears to have 
done you wrong.

To locate an Apple Store near your location, start at 
<http://store.apple.com/>.

You might consider bringing whatever you're using for a router, along 
with the rest of your kit.  The Apple store might be able to help you 
configure your network, in such a way, that all your devices can 
communicate with each other.  Things such as your network, file 
sharing or screen sharing aren't going to configure themselves.

- -- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#28926

On 4/16/15   PDT 4:58 PM, David Ritz wrote:
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>
> Assuming you're an E-S subscriber, see their User Settings page:
> <http://www.eternal-september.org/userfunctions.php>.
>
> If all else fails, RTFM.
>
> - --

Could you please insert another -- space, CR just above your name?

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#28927

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On Saturday, 18 April 2015 14:58 -0700, 
 in article <mguk0b$r8u$1@dont-email.me>, 
 John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:


>> - --

> Could you please insert another -- space, CR just above your name?

I'm sorry, John, but what you're asking isn't particularly clear.  
There was a space, following the double dash of the .sig delimiter, 
even though Thunderbird appears to have stripped it, when you replied.

Take a look at the raw message, where you will see that space.

    <http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=142940115100>

Why would adding a ' <CR><LF>' before my name have any bearing on 
anything?

-- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
 Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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#28928

In article <alpine.OSX.2.20.1504181853480.23099@alpha.local>, David
Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:

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> 
> On Saturday, 18 April 2015 14:58 -0700, 
>  in article <mguk0b$r8u$1@dont-email.me>, 
>  John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> >> - --
> 
> > Could you please insert another -- space, CR just above your name?
> 
> I'm sorry, John, but what you're asking isn't particularly clear.  
> There was a space, following the double dash of the .sig delimiter, 
> even though Thunderbird appears to have stripped it, when you replied.
> 
> Take a look at the raw message, where you will see that space.
> 
>     <http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=142940115100>
> 
> Why would adding a ' <CR><LF>' before my name have any bearing on 
> anything?

You have it setup correctly, at least so far as how Thoth processes
replies.

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#28937

On 2015-04-18, David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> On Saturday, 18 April 2015 14:58 -0700, 
>  in article <mguk0b$r8u$1@dont-email.me>, 
>  John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> - --
>
>> Could you please insert another -- space, CR just above your name?
>
> I'm sorry, John, but what you're asking isn't particularly clear.  
> There was a space, following the double dash of the .sig delimiter, 

No, there wasn't:

<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/comp.sys.mac.apps/-w-7Oby5lp8/qMdrAhKXs6wJ>

As you can clearly see, whatever fucked up combination of Usenet client
and configuration you are using (I suspect your silly PGP setup may be
involved - why you feel the need to include that in every Usenet post is
beyond me) is causing your signature delimiter to intermittently be
incorrect.

The signature delimiter should be exactly this: a line consisting of two
dash characters followed by a space character followed by a line feed
character. This is described in section 4.3 of RFC 3676:

<https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3676.txt>

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signature_block#E-mail_and_Usenet>

> Take a look at the raw message, where you will see that space.
>
>     <http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=142940115100>

You are ignoring the single dash character and space that precedes it on
the same line.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#28947

On 4/18/15   PDT 4:58 PM, David Ritz wrote:
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> NotDashEscaped: You need GnuPG to verify this message
>
> On Saturday, 18 April 2015 14:58 -0700,
>   in article <mguk0b$r8u$1@dont-email.me>,
>   John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>> - --
>
>> Could you please insert another -- space, CR just above your name?
>
> I'm sorry, John, but what you're asking isn't particularly clear.
> There was a space, following the double dash of the .sig delimiter,
> even though Thunderbird appears to have stripped it, when you replied.

That was me. Every time.
>
> Take a look at the raw message, where you will see that space.
>
>      <http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?ID=142940115100>

- -- 
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>

But the double dash, space, CR needs to start and be on one line.
>
> Why would adding a ' <CR><LF>' before my name have any bearing on
> anything?

Because that strips the sig. in Thunderbird, and is standard OP.

It worked fine in this post of yours. I thought you could perhaps 
configure to do it automatically, or scrub the PGP altogether.

Take care!

-- 
JPMcW







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