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| Started by | Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> |
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| First post | 2015-04-09 14:00 +0000 |
| Last post | 2015-04-13 21:51 +0000 |
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back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 14:00 +0000
Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 10:06 -0400
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-10 02:47 +1300
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 15:56 +0000
Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-09 16:13 +0000
Re: back from the brink Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 17:14 +0000
Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-09 17:34 +0000
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
Re: back from the brink Paul F Austin <pfaustin@bellsouth.net> - 2015-04-09 16:15 -0400
Re: back from the brink Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-04-10 08:56 +1200
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 21:20 +0000
Re: back from the brink Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 22:39 +0000
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 01:30 +0000
Re: back from the brink Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-10 11:50 +0000
Re: back from the brink "D. Spencer Hines" <d_spencerhines@america.com> - 2015-05-09 13:12 -1000
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-10 13:06 +1300
Re: back from the brink Paul F Austin <pfaustin@bellsouth.net> - 2015-04-11 17:19 -0400
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-12 14:09 +1300
Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-11 22:23 -0400
Re: back from the brink "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid> - 2015-04-12 07:56 -0700
Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-12 11:16 -0400
Re: back from the brink "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid> - 2015-04-12 08:24 -0700
Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-12 11:33 -0400
Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-12 15:52 +0000
Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-12 16:57 +0100
Re: back from the brink "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid> - 2015-04-12 10:28 -0700
Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-12 19:14 +0100
Re: back from the brink "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid> - 2015-04-12 11:47 -0700
Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-12 23:37 +0000
Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-13 15:01 +1200
Re: back from the brink Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-04-13 05:32 +0000
Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-13 10:15 +0100
Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-14 10:39 +1200
Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-13 13:48 +0000
Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-14 10:40 +1200
Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-14 09:30 +0100
Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-14 21:16 +1200
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-14 22:15 +1300
Re: back from the brink dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-14 21:57 +1000
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-15 13:12 +1300
Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-14 12:51 +0000
Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-15 11:04 +1200
Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-14 23:10 +0000
Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-15 21:56 +1200
Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-15 12:53 +0000
Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-16 09:15 +1200
Re: back from the brink dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2015-04-16 08:02 +1000
Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-15 22:49 +0000
Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-16 12:38 +1200
Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-16 13:29 +0000
Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-17 10:34 +1200
Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-15 18:02 +0100
Re: back from the brink "zulu" <zulu.romeotangohotel@ntlworld.com> - 2015-04-15 21:31 +0100
Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-16 09:16 +1200
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-16 17:28 +1300
Re: back from the brink Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-04-15 23:30 -0700
Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-16 21:30 +1200
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-13 08:49 +1300
Re: back from the brink Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-12 09:58 +0000
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-13 00:06 +1300
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-12 14:41 +0000
Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-05-10 02:45 +0000
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
Re: back from the brink Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-04-09 21:39 +0000
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 01:30 +0000
Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 22:53 -0400
Re: back from the brink Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2015-04-10 13:45 +0100
Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 12:46 -0400
Re: back from the brink David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-09 12:44 -0500
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 17:08 -0400
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 21:20 +0000
Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 17:23 -0400
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 01:30 +0000
Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 22:53 -0400
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
Re: back from the brink David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-10 17:30 -0500
Re: back from the brink Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-04-10 18:55 -0400
Re: back from the brink David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-10 19:55 -0500
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-10 18:28 +1300
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-11 18:13 +1300
Re: back from the brink Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 11:18 +0000
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-11 14:14 +0000
Re: back from the brink David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-09 16:08 -0500
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 21:20 +0000
Re: back from the brink Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-09 22:34 +0000
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 01:30 +0000
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-10 13:06 +1300
Re: back from the brink dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-10 15:21 +1200
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-10 18:32 +1300
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-11 18:13 +1300
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-11 14:14 +0000
Re: back from the brink Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-04-11 15:35 +0000
Re: back from the brink Zaidy036 <Zaidy036@isp.spam> - 2015-04-11 16:06 +0000
Re: back from the brink David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-04-11 16:28 -0500
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-10 13:06 +1300
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 01:30 +0000
Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 22:53 -0400
Re: back from the brink dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-04-10 15:21 +1200
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
Re: back from the brink jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-04-10 12:52 +1300
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 01:30 +0000
Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-09 22:53 -0400
Re: back from the brink Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> - 2015-04-10 19:58 +1200
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-10 22:44 +0100
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-11 02:47 +0000
Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-11 09:40 +0100
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-11 14:14 +0000
Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-11 17:31 +0100
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-12 14:40 +0000
Re: Back From The Brink "D. Spencer Hines" <d_spencerhines@america.com> - 2015-04-12 04:44 -1000
Re: Back From The Brink Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-04-12 14:53 +0000
Re: back from the brink Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-04-12 16:53 +0100
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-12 21:56 +0000
Re: back from the brink Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-04-12 17:05 +0000
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-12 21:56 +0000
Re: back from the brink Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-04-12 22:15 +0000
Re: back from the brink nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-04-12 18:42 -0400
Re: back from the brink Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-04-13 05:30 +0000
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-13 21:51 +0000
Re: back from the brink JoeyDee <email@nothanks.com> - 2015-04-13 18:31 -0400
Re: back from the brink "JohnT" <johnT@spamnot.com> - 2015-04-09 18:22 +0100
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-09 19:24 +0000
Re: back from the brink "tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-04-10 13:03 +0100
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
Re: back from the brink "tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-04-11 11:01 +0100
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-11 14:14 +0000
Re: back from the brink "tim....." <tims_new_home@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-04-11 15:38 +0100
Re: back from the brink Aldo Raine <apache@scalpem.net> - 2015-04-10 08:25 -0400
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-10 20:37 +0000
Re: back from the brink John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-04-10 20:32 -0700
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-11 14:14 +0000
Re: back from the brink poldy <poldy@kfu.com> - 2015-04-13 11:09 -0700
Re: back from the brink Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-04-13 21:51 +0000
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-04-12 11:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <120420151116156594%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #28765 |
In article <4p1liadollgqf4j03k6u2fcdhm64shr8r8@4ax.com>, Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: > > > My personal favourite was always people who used the Trash/Recycle Bin > > > as storage for files they wanted out of the way, but still accessible, > > > with the inevitable disaster following. > > > > i know someone who when visiting a client, first empties their trash. > > > > if they bitch, he lectures them about storing real stuff in the real > > trash can. > > > > his clients no longer use it as storage. > > If it were me, I would no longer use him for service. Even though I > agree with his point of view, what he does is mean and nasty, and can > even hurt someone who *doesn't* use it for storage, but wants to get > back something that was deleted. then they can restore it from a backup.
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| From | "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-04-12 08:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <c93lia53bfp7v5v1p451tt40apsad6mhb7@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #28769 |
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:16:15 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <4p1liadollgqf4j03k6u2fcdhm64shr8r8@4ax.com>, Ken Blake, MVP > <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: > > > > > My personal favourite was always people who used the Trash/Recycle Bin > > > > as storage for files they wanted out of the way, but still accessible, > > > > with the inevitable disaster following. > > > > > > i know someone who when visiting a client, first empties their trash. > > > > > > if they bitch, he lectures them about storing real stuff in the real > > > trash can. > > > > > > his clients no longer use it as storage. > > > > If it were me, I would no longer use him for service. Even though I > > agree with his point of view, what he does is mean and nasty, and can > > even hurt someone who *doesn't* use it for storage, but wants to get > > back something that was deleted. > > then they can restore it from a backup. Maybe. Unfortunately, not everyone has a backup. And the file may have been created *after* the last backup was made. Even if he has the file in a backup, restoring it from a backup is much more trouble than from the recycle bin. The whole point of having a recycle bin is to enable you to easily get back a file you thought you no longer wanted, but changed your mind about.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-04-12 11:33 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <120420151133530069%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #28772 |
In article <c93lia53bfp7v5v1p451tt40apsad6mhb7@4ax.com>, Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: > > > > > My personal favourite was always people who used the Trash/Recycle Bin > > > > > as storage for files they wanted out of the way, but still accessible, > > > > > with the inevitable disaster following. > > > > > > > > i know someone who when visiting a client, first empties their trash. > > > > > > > > if they bitch, he lectures them about storing real stuff in the real > > > > trash can. > > > > > > > > his clients no longer use it as storage. > > > > > > If it were me, I would no longer use him for service. Even though I > > > agree with his point of view, what he does is mean and nasty, and can > > > even hurt someone who *doesn't* use it for storage, but wants to get > > > back something that was deleted. > > > > then they can restore it from a backup. > > Maybe. Unfortunately, not everyone has a backup. then they're screwed. anyone who doesn't have a backup *will* lose data and likely *much* more than one file. not only that but i'm sure he lectures his clients about having proper backups, so this fabricated scenario isn't even going to happen anyway. > And the file may have > been created *after* the last backup was made. Even if he has the file > in a backup, restoring it from a backup is much more trouble than from > the recycle bin. time machine takes snapshots every hour, so at most, they'll lose 1 hour's worth of work. > The whole point of having a recycle bin is to enable you to easily get > back a file you thought you no longer wanted, but changed your mind > about. no it isn't. it's a trash can for files that are considered trash. calling a recycle bin doesn't change that. do you pull bottles and newspapers out of the recycle bins where you live? if someone changes their mind about a file, then they can pull it from a backup. that's what backups are for. as i said, if someone doesn't back up their stuff, they *will* lose data at some point, and not just a file they thought they didn't need, but the entire drive with files they absolutely *do* need. unfortunately, some people learn that the hard way.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-04-12 15:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <covimgF52cvU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #28773 |
On 2015-04-12, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > if someone changes their mind about a file, then they can pull it from > a backup. that's what backups are for. as i said, if someone doesn't > back up their stuff, they *will* lose data at some point, and not just > a file they thought they didn't need, but the entire drive with files > they absolutely *do* need. > > unfortunately, some people learn that the hard way. You can't fix stupid. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2015-04-12 16:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <120420151657297680%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #28773 |
In article <120420151133530069%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >In article <c93lia53bfp7v5v1p451tt40apsad6mhb7@4ax.com>, Ken Blake, MVP ><kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >> The whole point of having a recycle bin is to enable you to easily get >> back a file you thought you no longer wanted, but changed your mind >> about. > >no it isn't. it's a trash can for files that are considered trash. The point of being able to get stuff out of the Trash is for when you trash it, then realise you trashed the wrong thing. So you can get it right back out again - and you can't do that with rm. -- "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| From | "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-04-12 10:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <it9lial4k45qv0k7h5gurprslrq0s894gt@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #28773 |
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:33:53 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <c93lia53bfp7v5v1p451tt40apsad6mhb7@4ax.com>, Ken Blake, MVP > <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: > > > > > > > My personal favourite was always people who used the Trash/Recycle Bin > > > > > > as storage for files they wanted out of the way, but still accessible, > > > > > > with the inevitable disaster following. > > > > > > > > > > i know someone who when visiting a client, first empties their trash. > > > > > > > > > > if they bitch, he lectures them about storing real stuff in the real > > > > > trash can. > > > > > > > > > > his clients no longer use it as storage. > > > > > > > > If it were me, I would no longer use him for service. Even though I > > > > agree with his point of view, what he does is mean and nasty, and can > > > > even hurt someone who *doesn't* use it for storage, but wants to get > > > > back something that was deleted. > > > > > > then they can restore it from a backup. > > > > Maybe. Unfortunately, not everyone has a backup. > > then they're screwed. Of course. Nevertheless, not having one is very common. I have no statistics, but if I were a betting man I'd bet that fewer people don't have backup than those who do have them > > anyone who doesn't have a backup *will* lose data and likely *much* > more than one file. > > not only that but i'm sure he lectures his clients about having proper > backups, so this fabricated scenario isn't even going to happen anyway. > > > And the file may have > > been created *after* the last backup was made. Even if he has the file > > in a backup, restoring it from a backup is much more trouble than from > > the recycle bin. > > time machine takes snapshots every hour, so at most, they'll lose 1 > hour's worth of work. > > > The whole point of having a recycle bin is to enable you to easily get > > back a file you thought you no longer wanted, but changed your mind > > about. > > no it isn't. It certainly is. If you want to delete a file and not have the option of getting it back, don't put it in the recycle bin. Just hold down the shift key when you delete it. The difference in this respect between recent versions of Windows and older ones is that the older ones didn't have a recycle bin, and if you deleted a fine it was gone without a way to get it back (yes, I know that you can often get back files using an undelete program like Restoration, but most people don't know that, and even if they do know it, it's not always possible). Adding the recycle bin to Windows added the capability to easily change your mind and get back something you thought you didn't want. > it's a trash can for files that are considered trash. Of course. But like almost everyone else, every now and then, I make a mistake, realize I shouldn't have deleted that file, and want it back. The recycle bin can save your butt when you make some kinds of mistakes. > calling a recycle bin doesn't change that. do you pull bottles and > newspapers out of the recycle bins where you live? No, but I occasionally pull out of something else I threw away, like mail I thought I didn't need. > if someone changes their mind about a file, then they can pull it from > a backup. that's what backups are for. No, it's not. Although that's a secondary use of a backup, it's not its main purpose. Its main purpose to be able to get back files when something goes wrong, like a head crash, user error, or theft of the computer. > as i said, if someone doesn't > back up their stuff, they *will* lose data at some point, and not just > a file they thought they didn't need, but the entire drive with files > they absolutely *do* need. Yes. And as I've said many times in newsgroups and forums "said, it's not a matter of *whether* you will have such a problem, but when." > unfortunately, some people learn that the hard way. Yes. I'm glad we agree on something <g>
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2015-04-12 19:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <120420151914572603%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #28782 |
In article <it9lial4k45qv0k7h5gurprslrq0s894gt@4ax.com>, Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:33:53 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> >wrote: >> then they're screwed. >Of course. Nevertheless, not having one is very common. I have no >statistics, but if I were a betting man I'd bet that fewer people >don't have backup than those who do have them Unfortunately probably true. >> no it isn't. > >It certainly is. If you want to delete a file and not have the option >of getting it back, don't put it in the recycle bin. Just hold down >the shift key when you delete it. Doing that does nothing here. >The difference in this respect between recent versions of Windows ... What's Windows got to do with anything? If you're gonna give advice on a cross-platform issue (backups, the Trash/Recycle Bin), please make it cross-platform advice. -- "Please stop telling us what you feel. Please stop telling us what your intuition is. Your intuitive feelings are of no interest whatsoever, and nor are mine. I don't give a bugger what you feel, or what I feel. I want to know what the evidence shows." -- Richard Dawkins
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| From | "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@kb.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-04-12 11:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <k1flial2r8mmd23in6ll4np5f5ku83t3qn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #28784 |
On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 19:14:57 +0100, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > >The difference in this respect between recent versions of Windows ... > > What's Windows got to do with anything? If you're gonna give advice on > a cross-platform issue (backups, the Trash/Recycle Bin), please make it > cross-platform advice. We've been talking about the recycle bin. As far as I know, that term is used only in Windows. However I now see that this thread has been cross-posted to four newsgroups, two of which are about apple computers. Sorry, I hadn't noticed that earlier. If I had, I either wouldn't have posted at all, or trimmed the newsgroups I was replying to the one I read it in: rec.travel.europe.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-04-12 23:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cp0dumFc6hoU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #28782 |
On 2015-04-12, Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: > On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:33:53 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> > wrote: > >> In article <c93lia53bfp7v5v1p451tt40apsad6mhb7@4ax.com>, Ken Blake, MVP >> <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Maybe. Unfortunately, not everyone has a backup. >> >> then they're screwed. > > Of course. Nevertheless, not having one is very common. I have no > statistics, but if I were a betting man I'd bet that fewer people > don't have backup than those who do have them I suspect that's much less the case with Mac users, since Time Machine comes built-in and using it is literally as simple as connecting a hard drive to the computer and clicking "Use as Backup Disk" when prompted. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2015-04-13 15:01 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <hobmia1aun4umnqe7pbhk894becaukv79t@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #28795 |
On 12 Apr 2015 23:37:58 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >On 2015-04-12, Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:33:53 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> In article <c93lia53bfp7v5v1p451tt40apsad6mhb7@4ax.com>, Ken Blake, MVP >>> <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe. Unfortunately, not everyone has a backup. >>> >>> then they're screwed. >> >> Of course. Nevertheless, not having one is very common. I have no >> statistics, but if I were a betting man I'd bet that fewer people >> don't have backup than those who do have them > >I suspect that's much less the case with Mac users, since Time Machine >comes built-in and using it is literally as simple as connecting a hard >drive to the computer and clicking "Use as Backup Disk" when prompted. I don't personally know any Mac users who do that. On the other hand, I back up all vital data on PC1 to PC 2. All vital data on PC 2 is backed up onto PC 1. Then both PC backups are backed up onto a 4Tb external drive on PC 1. Backups are controlled by Second Copy http://www.secondcopy.com/ which also is on PC 1. -- Regards, Eric Stevens
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2015-04-13 05:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <552b54ea$0$36558$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #28801 |
In article <hobmia1aun4umnqe7pbhk894becaukv79t@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: >On 12 Apr 2015 23:37:58 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: [unneeded quotage and newsgroups deleted] >>I suspect that's much less the case with Mac users, since Time Machine >>comes built-in and using it is literally as simple as connecting a hard >>drive to the computer and clicking "Use as Backup Disk" when prompted. > >I don't personally know any Mac users who do that. Wow, you either don't know many Mac users, or all the ones you do know are really dumb. Or both. Patty
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2015-04-13 10:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <130420151015481957%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #28801 |
In article <hobmia1aun4umnqe7pbhk894becaukv79t@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: >On 12 Apr 2015 23:37:58 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >>On 2015-04-12, Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:33:53 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In article <c93lia53bfp7v5v1p451tt40apsad6mhb7@4ax.com>, Ken Blake, MVP >>>> <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Maybe. Unfortunately, not everyone has a backup. >>>> >>>> then they're screwed. >>> >>> Of course. Nevertheless, not having one is very common. I have no >>> statistics, but if I were a betting man I'd bet that fewer people >>> don't have backup than those who do have them >> >>I suspect that's much less the case with Mac users, since Time Machine >>comes built-in and using it is literally as simple as connecting a hard >>drive to the computer and clicking "Use as Backup Disk" when prompted. > >I don't personally know any Mac users who do that. Why not? It's simple enough to do. -- "Please stop telling us what you feel. Please stop telling us what your intuition is. Your intuitive feelings are of no interest whatsoever, and nor are mine. I don't give a bugger what you feel, or what I feel. I want to know what the evidence shows." -- Richard Dawkins
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| From | Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2015-04-14 10:39 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <fahoia9htkm58vtasqf219jm40c1ivc741@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #28807 |
On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:15:48 +0100, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >In article <hobmia1aun4umnqe7pbhk894becaukv79t@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens ><eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: > >>On 12 Apr 2015 23:37:58 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>>On 2015-04-12, Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:33:53 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article <c93lia53bfp7v5v1p451tt40apsad6mhb7@4ax.com>, Ken Blake, MVP >>>>> <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Maybe. Unfortunately, not everyone has a backup. >>>>> >>>>> then they're screwed. >>>> >>>> Of course. Nevertheless, not having one is very common. I have no >>>> statistics, but if I were a betting man I'd bet that fewer people >>>> don't have backup than those who do have them >>> >>>I suspect that's much less the case with Mac users, since Time Machine >>>comes built-in and using it is literally as simple as connecting a hard >>>drive to the computer and clicking "Use as Backup Disk" when prompted. >> >>I don't personally know any Mac users who do that. > >Why not? It's simple enough to do. I don't know any single good answer. I think it's too complicated to do. (Complicated?). -- Regards, Eric Stevens
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-04-13 13:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <cp1vpjFnplnU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #28801 |
On 2015-04-13, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: > On 12 Apr 2015 23:37:58 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >>On 2015-04-12, Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:33:53 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> In article <c93lia53bfp7v5v1p451tt40apsad6mhb7@4ax.com>, Ken Blake, MVP >>>> <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Maybe. Unfortunately, not everyone has a backup. >>>> >>>> then they're screwed. >>> >>> Of course. Nevertheless, not having one is very common. I have no >>> statistics, but if I were a betting man I'd bet that fewer people >>> don't have backup than those who do have them >> >>I suspect that's much less the case with Mac users, since Time Machine >>comes built-in and using it is literally as simple as connecting a hard >>drive to the computer and clicking "Use as Backup Disk" when prompted. > > I don't personally know any Mac users who do that. And how many Mac users do you know? > On the other hand, I back up all vital data on PC1 to PC 2. All vital > data on PC 2 is backed up onto PC 1. Then both PC backups are backed > up onto a 4Tb external drive on PC 1. Backups are controlled by Second > Copy http://www.secondcopy.com/ which also is on PC 1. That's all well and good, but is nowhere near the user experience of connecting a drive and clicking "Use for Backups". -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2015-04-14 10:40 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <6dhoiah5ihadh6pmcf1a90jo4ik27kjif8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #28813 |
On 13 Apr 2015 13:48:36 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >On 2015-04-13, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: >> On 12 Apr 2015 23:37:58 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>>On 2015-04-12, Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:33:53 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> In article <c93lia53bfp7v5v1p451tt40apsad6mhb7@4ax.com>, Ken Blake, MVP >>>>> <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Maybe. Unfortunately, not everyone has a backup. >>>>> >>>>> then they're screwed. >>>> >>>> Of course. Nevertheless, not having one is very common. I have no >>>> statistics, but if I were a betting man I'd bet that fewer people >>>> don't have backup than those who do have them >>> >>>I suspect that's much less the case with Mac users, since Time Machine >>>comes built-in and using it is literally as simple as connecting a hard >>>drive to the computer and clicking "Use as Backup Disk" when prompted. >> >> I don't personally know any Mac users who do that. > >And how many Mac users do you know? > >> On the other hand, I back up all vital data on PC1 to PC 2. All vital >> data on PC 2 is backed up onto PC 1. Then both PC backups are backed >> up onto a 4Tb external drive on PC 1. Backups are controlled by Second >> Copy http://www.secondcopy.com/ which also is on PC 1. > >That's all well and good, but is nowhere near the user experience of >connecting a drive and clicking "Use for Backups". I don't do it for 'user experience'. In fact, I'm trying to avoid a 'user experience'. -- Regards, Eric Stevens
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2015-04-14 09:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <140420150930307644%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #28825 |
In article <6dhoiah5ihadh6pmcf1a90jo4ik27kjif8@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: >On 13 Apr 2015 13:48:36 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >>On 2015-04-13, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: >>> On 12 Apr 2015 23:37:58 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On 2015-04-12, Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:33:53 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In article <c93lia53bfp7v5v1p451tt40apsad6mhb7@4ax.com>, Ken Blake, MVP >>>>>> <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe. Unfortunately, not everyone has a backup. >>>>>> >>>>>> then they're screwed. >>>>> >>>>> Of course. Nevertheless, not having one is very common. I have no >>>>> statistics, but if I were a betting man I'd bet that fewer people >>>>> don't have backup than those who do have them >>>> >>>>I suspect that's much less the case with Mac users, since Time Machine >>>>comes built-in and using it is literally as simple as connecting a hard >>>>drive to the computer and clicking "Use as Backup Disk" when prompted. >>> >>> I don't personally know any Mac users who do that. >> >>And how many Mac users do you know? >> >>> On the other hand, I back up all vital data on PC1 to PC 2. All vital >>> data on PC 2 is backed up onto PC 1. Then both PC backups are backed >>> up onto a 4Tb external drive on PC 1. Backups are controlled by Second >>> Copy http://www.secondcopy.com/ which also is on PC 1. >> >>That's all well and good, but is nowhere near the user experience of >>connecting a drive and clicking "Use for Backups". > >I don't do it for 'user experience'. In fact, I'm trying to avoid a >'user experience'. Ah, so you're throwing your computer away then? That's the only way to avoid a "user experience", which is what a user (we are all users) experiences when they use a computer. Plugging in a new external [1] drive is easy enough; I tend to use the Firewire port on my Mini for that. I then go: System Preferences -> Time Machine and click the On button and click Select Disk... to select the disk I just plugged in. That's it. Backups will now happen every hour. Simples. -- "A committee is a cul-de-sac down which ideas are lured and then quietly strangled." - Sir Barnett Cocks (1907-1989)
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| From | Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> |
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| Date | 2015-04-14 21:16 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <cmmpial71aigb6vqfdtv0srjrusjk9bk60@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #28831 |
On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 09:30:30 +0100, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >In article <6dhoiah5ihadh6pmcf1a90jo4ik27kjif8@4ax.com>, Eric Stevens ><eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: > >>On 13 Apr 2015 13:48:36 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>>On 2015-04-13, Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: >>>> On 12 Apr 2015 23:37:58 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On 2015-04-12, Ken Blake, MVP <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2015 11:33:53 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In article <c93lia53bfp7v5v1p451tt40apsad6mhb7@4ax.com>, Ken Blake, MVP >>>>>>> <kblake@kb.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe. Unfortunately, not everyone has a backup. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> then they're screwed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course. Nevertheless, not having one is very common. I have no >>>>>> statistics, but if I were a betting man I'd bet that fewer people >>>>>> don't have backup than those who do have them >>>>> >>>>>I suspect that's much less the case with Mac users, since Time Machine >>>>>comes built-in and using it is literally as simple as connecting a hard >>>>>drive to the computer and clicking "Use as Backup Disk" when prompted. >>>> >>>> I don't personally know any Mac users who do that. >>> >>>And how many Mac users do you know? >>> >>>> On the other hand, I back up all vital data on PC1 to PC 2. All vital >>>> data on PC 2 is backed up onto PC 1. Then both PC backups are backed >>>> up onto a 4Tb external drive on PC 1. Backups are controlled by Second >>>> Copy http://www.secondcopy.com/ which also is on PC 1. >>> >>>That's all well and good, but is nowhere near the user experience of >>>connecting a drive and clicking "Use for Backups". >> >>I don't do it for 'user experience'. In fact, I'm trying to avoid a >>'user experience'. > >Ah, so you're throwing your computer away then? That's the only way to >avoid a "user experience", which is what a user (we are all users) >experiences when they use a computer. > >Plugging in a new external [1] drive is easy enough; I tend to use the >Firewire port on my Mini for that. > >I then go: > > System Preferences -> Time Machine > >and click the On button and click Select Disk... to select the disk I >just plugged in. That's it. > >Backups will now happen every hour. > >Simples. -- Regards, Eric Stevens
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2015-04-14 22:15 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1m2w34y.wpioxgzdjwclN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #28833 |
Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: > Regards, > > Eric Stevens The no content post :-D It makes reading very easy. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> |
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| Date | 2015-04-14 21:57 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <do_ray_me-845221.21572914042015@aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #28834 |
In article <1m2w34y.wpioxgzdjwclN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: > > > Regards, > > > > Eric Stevens > > The no content post :-D It makes reading very easy. It was not *no* content. Or if it was by definition, it was *the ultimate* in bad quoting, a parody of bad quoting. Too often, there are a few words addressing one thing and a whole lot of irrelevant stuff quoted. Here was a case of everything quoted being irrelevant to nothing at all. -- dorayme
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2015-04-15 13:12 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1m2x8o9.1d5tjvnkls5zxN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #28835 |
dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote: > In article <1m2w34y.wpioxgzdjwclN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, > jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote: > > > Eric Stevens <eric.stevens@sum.co.nz> wrote: > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Eric Stevens > > > > The no content post :-D It makes reading very easy. > > It was not *no* content. Or if it was by definition, it was *the > ultimate* in bad quoting, a parody of bad quoting. Too often, there > are a few words addressing one thing and a whole lot of irrelevant > stuff quoted. Here was a case of everything quoted being irrelevant to > nothing at all. Heh *grins* -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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