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#27566 — Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ...

From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date	2015-02-01 10:15 -0500
Subject	Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ...
Message-ID	<NLOdnQCjQLGM3lPJnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@giganews.com>

Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and 
iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default 
search engine.

No issue if one prefers Google or others, just change the default (or 
since I use Chrome 99.99% of the time it's no issue period).

Siri already uses Bing (MS) so that's a 'tilting' indication.  Maybe.

What's more confusing though is Yahoo's bid - don't they use Bing under 
the hood in any case?

-- 
"Your net worth to the world is usually
  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
                                   Benjamin Franklin

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#27567

From	Davoud <star@sky.net>
Date	2015-02-01 12:23 -0500
Message-ID	<010220151223104976%star@sky.net>
In reply to	#27566

Alan Browne:
> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and 
> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default 
> search engine.

> No issue if one prefers Google or others, just change the default (or 
> since I use Chrome 99.99% of the time it's no issue period).

I use Chrome a great deal. So, Mr. Smartie, how do I make Google
*advanced* search my default search engine? Google basic is not useful
to me.

As for default in Safari, makes no difference to me. The first item on
my bookmarks bar in Mac OS and iOS is Google advanced search.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#27570

From	John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net>
Date	2015-02-01 13:06 -0800
Message-ID	<mam4fp$6m9$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#27567

On 2/1/15   PDT, 9:23 AM, Davoud wrote:
> Alan Browne:
>> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and
>> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default
>> search engine.
>
>> No issue if one prefers Google or others, just change the default (or
>> since I use Chrome 99.99% of the time it's no issue period).
>
> I use Chrome a great deal. So, Mr. Smartie, how do I make Google
> *advanced* search my default search engine? Google basic is not useful
> to me.
>
> As for default in Safari, makes no difference to me. The first item on
> my bookmarks bar in Mac OS and iOS is Google advanced search.
>
Do the same on Chrome!

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#27575

From	Davoud <star@sky.net>
Date	2015-02-01 18:47 -0500
Message-ID	<010220151847451523%star@sky.net>
In reply to	#27570

Davoud:
> > I use Chrome a great deal. So, Mr. Smartie, how do I make Google
> > *advanced* search my default search engine? Google basic is not useful
> > to me.
> >
> > As for default in Safari, makes no difference to me. The first item on
> > my bookmarks bar in Mac OS and iOS is Google advanced search.

John McWilliams:
> Do the same on Chrome!

Done that. Perhaps my question should have been "How do I make Chrome
open with a blank page?" It opens with Google simple search, which I
don't want.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#27636

From	uwe.schliephake-expires-2015-02-28@arcor.de (Uwe Schliephake)
Date	2015-02-03 16:20 +0100
Message-ID	<1lz9zzz.12p36z1qm8qwiN%uwe.schliephake-expires-2015-02-28@arcor.de>
In reply to	#27575

Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

> "How do I make Chrome
> open with a blank page?"

<https://github.com/jimschubert/newtab-redirect>

HTH.

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#27608

From	Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca>
Date	2015-02-02 16:15 -0500
Message-ID	<G6GdnYcu5P5DdVLJnZ2dnUU7-fGdnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to	#27567

On 2015.02.01 12:23 , Davoud wrote:
> Alan Browne:
>> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and
>> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default
>> search engine.
>
>> No issue if one prefers Google or others, just change the default (or
>> since I use Chrome 99.99% of the time it's no issue period).
>
> I use Chrome a great deal. So, Mr. Smartie, how do I make Google
> *advanced* search my default search engine? Google basic is not useful
> to me.

I use advance search within the basic search w/o wasting my time filling 
all those idiot boxes on the advanced page.

	"turbo charger" 1980..1990 -diesel



-- 
"Your net worth to the world is usually
  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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#27568

From	Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com>
Date	2015-02-01 14:01 -0500
Message-ID	<010220151401050621%invid@loclanet.com>
In reply to	#27566

In article <NLOdnQCjQLGM3lPJnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and 
> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default 
> search engine.
> 
It would be funny if Apple went with Duck Duck Go, just to piss the
others off (It's already one of the options)

-- 
Chris Mack       "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan'             - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

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#27571 — Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ...

From	Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date	2015-02-01 21:56 +0000
Subject	Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ...
Message-ID	<mam7f9$jfi$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to	#27568

Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> wrote:
> In article <NLOdnQCjQLGM3lPJnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and 
>> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default 
>> search engine.
>> 
> It would be funny if Apple went with Duck Duck Go, just to piss the
> others off (It's already one of the options)

Is that a thing?

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#27572 — Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ...

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-02-01 17:10 -0500
Subject	Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ...
Message-ID	<010220151710469090%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#27571

In article <mam7f9$jfi$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> >> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and 
> >> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default 
> >> search engine.
> >> 
> > It would be funny if Apple went with Duck Duck Go, just to piss the
> > others off (It's already one of the options)
> 
> Is that a thing?

<https://duckduckgo.com/>

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#27574 — Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ...

From	PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net>
Date	2015-02-01 18:46 -0500
Subject	Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ...
Message-ID	<mamdsg$9nl$1@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#27572

nospam wrote:
> In article <mam7f9$jfi$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
> <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>
>>>> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and
>>>> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default
>>>> search engine.
>>>>
>>> It would be funny if Apple went with Duck Duck Go, just to piss the
>>> others off (It's already one of the options)
>>
>> Is that a thing?
>
> <https://duckduckgo.com/>
>
it is also settable in SeaMonkey as well.

-- 
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.      "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it"
http://www.phillipmjones.net    mailto:pjonescet@comcast.net
http://phillipjones-cet.net/

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#27577 — Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ...

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date	2015-02-02 01:30 +0000
Subject	Re: Safari - Google search deal expires soon. New default for Safari ...
Message-ID	<cj8297F8dobU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27571

On 2015-02-01, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> wrote:
>> In article <NLOdnQCjQLGM3lPJnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and 
>>> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default 
>>> search engine.
>>> 
>> It would be funny if Apple went with Duck Duck Go, just to piss the
>> others off (It's already one of the options)
>
> Is that a thing?

It's one of the most privacy-respecting search engines available.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#27573

From	gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date	2015-02-01 15:28 -0800
Message-ID	<201502011528166493-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to	#27568

On 2015-02-01 19:01:05 +0000, Invid Fan said:

> In article <NLOdnQCjQLGM3lPJnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and
>> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default
>> search engine.
>> 
> It would be funny if Apple went with Duck Duck Go, just to piss the
> others off (It's already one of the options)

Why would they set ANY search engine as the default.  If there's a 
legal difficulty in annointing Google as the preferred default, leave 
the configuration to the user from the get go.

I don't think I get the issue.

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#27576

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-02 11:18 +1100
Message-ID	<cj7u4pF7h2cU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27573

gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote 
> Invid Fan wrote
 >> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote
 
>>> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search 
>>> for Safari (OS X and iOS) will end soon and Yahoo 
>>> and MS are vying to be the new default search engine.
 
>> It would be funny if Apple went with Duck Duck Go, 
>> just to piss the others off (It's already one of the options)
 
> Why would they set ANY search engine as the default.  

Because the worst of the users don't know how 
to do that and the whole point of Apple stuff is 
that it supposed to be usable by anyone. 

> If there's a legal difficulty in annointing 
> Google as the preferred default, 

There isn't. 

> leave the configuration to the user from the get go.

Not viable with the worst of the users. 
 
> I don't think I get the issue.

That's certainly true.

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#27578

From	DevilsPGD <boogabooga@crazyhat.net>
Date	2015-02-01 19:56 -0800
Message-ID	<h6ttcato8svdn1blvogj2ju1fj9gvvvmro@4ax.com>
In reply to	#27573

In the last episode of <201502011528166493-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr
<xxx@yyy.zzz> said:

>On 2015-02-01 19:01:05 +0000, Invid Fan said:
>
>> In article <NLOdnQCjQLGM3lPJnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and
>>> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default
>>> search engine.
>>> 
>> It would be funny if Apple went with Duck Duck Go, just to piss the
>> others off (It's already one of the options)
>
>Why would they set ANY search engine as the default. 

Business and money. From a business perspective, Apple's default
settings control a huge segment of the market, if they change their
default from Google to something else, it will make a noticeable dent on
the bottom line of both Google and the gaining search engine.

If one particular search engine is willing to pay more than another to
have their bottom line go up, well, that works for Apple.

-- 
This one has Vanilla Coke! It's like drinking a Glade plug-in.
 -- John Oliver

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#27579

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-02 15:19 +1100
Message-ID	<cj8c83Fai2lU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27578


"DevilsPGD" <boogabooga@crazyhat.net> wrote in message 
news:h6ttcato8svdn1blvogj2ju1fj9gvvvmro@4ax.com...
> In the last episode of <201502011528166493-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr
> <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:
>
>>On 2015-02-01 19:01:05 +0000, Invid Fan said:
>>
>>> In article <NLOdnQCjQLGM3lPJnZ2dnUU7-SGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
>>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apparently the Apple/Google deal on default search for Safari (OS X and
>>>> iOS) will end soon and Yahoo and MS are vying to be the new default
>>>> search engine.
>>>>
>>> It would be funny if Apple went with Duck Duck Go, just to piss the
>>> others off (It's already one of the options)
>>
>>Why would they set ANY search engine as the default.
>
> Business and money. From a business perspective, Apple's default
> settings control a huge segment of the market, if they change their
> default from Google to something else, it will make a noticeable dent on
> the bottom line of both Google and the gaining search engine.
>
> If one particular search engine is willing to pay more than another to
> have their bottom line go up, well, that works for Apple.

But google is apple's main competitor so its more complicated than that.

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#27580

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-02-01 23:33 -0500
Message-ID	<010220152333528245%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#27579

In article <cj8c83Fai2lU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>Why would they set ANY search engine as the default.
> >
> > Business and money. From a business perspective, Apple's default
> > settings control a huge segment of the market, if they change their
> > default from Google to something else, it will make a noticeable dent on
> > the bottom line of both Google and the gaining search engine.
> >
> > If one particular search engine is willing to pay more than another to
> > have their bottom line go up, well, that works for Apple.
> 
> But google is apple's main competitor so its more complicated than that. 

actually, samsung is.

google and apple have totally different business models.

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#27581

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-02 16:21 +1100
Message-ID	<cj8fs2Fbb4mU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27580

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Why would they set ANY search engine as the default.

>>> Business and money. From a business perspective, Apple's default
>>> settings control a huge segment of the market, if they change their
>>> default from Google to something else, it will make a noticeable dent
>>> on the bottom line of both Google and the gaining search engine.

>>> If one particular search engine is willing to pay more than another
>>> to have their bottom line go up, well, that works for Apple.

>> But google is apple's main competitor so its more complicated than that.

> actually, samsung is.

Wrong, as always.

> google and apple have totally different business models.

Irrelevant to who is their main competitor in
the smartphone and tablet OS market, fuckwit.

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#27582

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-02-02 00:57 -0500
Message-ID	<020220150057480387%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#27581

In article <cj8fs2Fbb4mU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>> Why would they set ANY search engine as the default.
> 
> >>> Business and money. From a business perspective, Apple's default
> >>> settings control a huge segment of the market, if they change their
> >>> default from Google to something else, it will make a noticeable dent
> >>> on the bottom line of both Google and the gaining search engine.
> 
> >>> If one particular search engine is willing to pay more than another
> >>> to have their bottom line go up, well, that works for Apple.
> 
> >> But google is apple's main competitor so its more complicated than that.
> 
> > actually, samsung is.
> 
> Wrong, as always.

it's not wrong.

> > google and apple have totally different business models.
> 
> Irrelevant to who is their main competitor in
> the smartphone and tablet OS market, fuckwit. 

it's completely relevant.

different companies with different business models are not competitors.

google writes software for mac and ios and makes a lot of money from
those who use apple products. they *want* apple to sell lots of phones
and macs.

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#27585

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Date	2015-02-02 17:36 +1100
Message-ID	<cj8k89Fca4vU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to	#27582

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> Why would they set ANY search engine as the default.

>>>>> Business and money. From a business perspective, Apple's default
>>>>> settings control a huge segment of the market, if they change their
>>>>> default from Google to something else, it will make a noticeable dent
>>>>> on the bottom line of both Google and the gaining search engine.

>>>>> If one particular search engine is willing to pay more than another
>>>>> to have their bottom line go up, well, that works for Apple.

>>>> But google is apple's main competitor so its more complicated than 
>>>> that.

>> > actually, samsung is.

>> Wrong, as always.

> it's not wrong.

Completely wrong, as always.

>>> google and apple have totally different business models.

>> Irrelevant to who is their main competitor in
>> the smartphone and tablet OS market, fuckwit.

> it's completely relevant.

Wrong, as always.

> different companies with different business models are not competitors.

Wrong when they clearly are competitors in the smartphone and tablet OS 
market.

> google writes software for mac and ios

Irrelevant to who is their main competitor
in the smartphone and tablet OS market.

> and makes a lot of money from
> those who use apple products.

Irrelevant to who is their main competitor
in the smartphone and tablet OS market.

> they *want* apple to sell lots of phones and macs.

Irrelevant to who is their main competitor
in the smartphone and tablet OS market.

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#27583

From	gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date	2015-02-01 22:10 -0800
Message-ID	<201502012210169684-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to	#27581

On 2015-02-02 05:21:25 +0000, Rod Speed said:

>> google and apple have totally different business models.
> 
> Irrelevant to who is their main competitor in
> the smartphone and tablet OS market, fuckwit.

Intersting: I hadn't noticed such a straight-up prick around here 
recently, begging for some drama.

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