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| Started by | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| First post | 2014-07-30 13:29 -0700 |
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Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 13:29 -0700
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 00:09 +0000
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 17:24 -0700
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-30 18:16 -0700
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 02:00 +0000
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 04:18 +0000
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 21:38 -0700
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 16:02 +0000
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-07-31 18:22 -0400
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 21:10 -0700
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 21:09 -0700
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 04:21 +0000
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 22:45 -0700
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 14:01 +0000
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-08-01 11:00 -0400
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 15:18 +0000
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-08-01 11:22 -0400
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 15:29 +0000
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 08:36 -0700
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 15:46 +0000
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 08:57 -0700
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 16:06 +0000
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-08-01 17:41 -0400
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 22:03 +0000
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 20:20 -0700
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-01 15:25 +0000
Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 08:44 -0700
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-07-30 13:29 -0700 |
| Subject | Safari 8.0 gripe |
| Message-ID | <300720141329320887%michelle@michelle.org> |
Safari 8.0 does not have a title bar. With earlier version that do have a title bar, you could command click on the title and get a drop-down menu showing the hierarchy of the page, and let you quickly navigate within that hierarchy. I haven't been able to find out how to do that with Safari 8.0 -- Michelle
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-31 00:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c3tfprF8g57U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #23806 |
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.mac.apps.] On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > Safari 8.0 does not have a title bar. With earlier version that do > have a title bar, you could command click on the title and get a > drop-down menu showing the hierarchy of the page, and let you quickly > navigate within that hierarchy. I haven't been able to find out how to > do that with Safari 8.0 I've never known about this feature until now. Perhaps Apple feels it was not used much by the user base? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-07-30 17:24 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <300720141724324903%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #23816 |
In article <c3tfprF8g57U5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.mac.apps.] > On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > Safari 8.0 does not have a title bar. With earlier version that do > > have a title bar, you could command click on the title and get a > > drop-down menu showing the hierarchy of the page, and let you quickly > > navigate within that hierarchy. I haven't been able to find out how to > > do that with Safari 8.0 > > I've never known about this feature until now. Perhaps Apple feels it > was not used much by the user base? I dunno; I used it extensively.
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-30 18:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2014073018165131478-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #23817 |
On 2014-07-31 00:24:32 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said: > In article <c3tfprF8g57U5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger > <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.sys.mac.apps.] >> On 2014-07-30, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: >>> Safari 8.0 does not have a title bar. With earlier version that do >>> have a title bar, you could command click on the title and get a >>> drop-down menu showing the hierarchy of the page, and let you quickly >>> navigate within that hierarchy. I haven't been able to find out how to >>> do that with Safari 8.0 >> >> I've never known about this feature until now. Perhaps Apple feels it >> was not used much by the user base? > > I dunno; I used it extensively. With Safari 7.0.5 I can access a partial hierarchy with a right click on the actual title, and I get a full hierarchy with a left click on the Safari back arrow. I have to assume Safari 8.0 has navigation arrows. <https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_825.jpg> <https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_826.jpg> -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-31 02:00 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c3tm96F9npiU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #23819 |
On 2014-07-31, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2014-07-31 00:24:32 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:
>
> With Safari 7.0.5 I can access a partial hierarchy with a right click
> on the actual title, and I get a full hierarchy with a left click on
> the Safari back arrow. I have to assume Safari 8.0 has navigation
> arrows.
>
><https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_825.jpg>
><https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_826.jpg>
Those are two distinctly different features though. The one Michelle
describes seems to give you a top-down hierarchical listing of the web
site, while the other is simply your browsing history.
--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
JR
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-31 04:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c3tudaFb7erU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #23821 |
On 2014-07-31, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2014-07-31, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>> On 2014-07-31 00:24:32 +0000, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> said:
>>
>> With Safari 7.0.5 I can access a partial hierarchy with a right click
>> on the actual title, and I get a full hierarchy with a left click on
>> the Safari back arrow. I have to assume Safari 8.0 has navigation
>> arrows.
>>
>><https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_825.jpg>
>><https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_826.jpg>
>
> Those are two distinctly different features though. The one Michelle
> describes seems to give you a top-down hierarchical listing...
...of the pages you have visited on the web site.
--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
JR
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-07-30 21:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <300720142138399723%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #23825 |
In article <c3tudaFb7erU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> With Safari 7.0.5 I can access a partial hierarchy with a right click > >> on the actual title, and I get a full hierarchy with a left click on > >> the Safari back arrow. I have to assume Safari 8.0 has navigation > >> arrows. > >> > >><https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_825.jpg> > >><https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_826.jpg> > > > > Those are two distinctly different features though. The one Michelle > > describes seems to give you a top-down hierarchical listing... > > ...of the pages you have visited on the web site. No, it's a hierarchy of the path to the page, whether or not you have visited them. Some, or maybe all, of the intermediate pages may not be accessible, and result in a 40n error.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-07-31 16:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c3v7ldFjlk9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #23828 |
On 2014-07-31, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <c3tudaFb7erU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> >> With Safari 7.0.5 I can access a partial hierarchy with a right click >> >> on the actual title, and I get a full hierarchy with a left click on >> >> the Safari back arrow. I have to assume Safari 8.0 has navigation >> >> arrows. >> >> >> >><https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_825.jpg> >> >><https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_826.jpg> >> > >> > Those are two distinctly different features though. The one Michelle >> > describes seems to give you a top-down hierarchical listing... >> >> ...of the pages you have visited on the web site. > > No, it's a hierarchy of the path to the page, whether or not you have > visited them. Some, or maybe all, of the intermediate pages may not be > accessible, and result in a 40n error. Ah, interesting. I'm not sure how helpful that really is then. I doubt I would ever use it. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2014-07-31 18:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-D57491.18225131072014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #23829 |
In article <c3v7ldFjlk9U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2014-07-31, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > In article <c3tudaFb7erU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger > ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > > >> >> With Safari 7.0.5 I can access a partial hierarchy with a right click > >> >> on the actual title, and I get a full hierarchy with a left click on > >> >> the Safari back arrow. I have to assume Safari 8.0 has navigation > >> >> arrows. > >> >> > >> >><https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_825.jpg> > >> >><https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_826.jpg> > >> > > >> > Those are two distinctly different features though. The one Michelle > >> > describes seems to give you a top-down hierarchical listing... > >> > >> ...of the pages you have visited on the web site. > > > > No, it's a hierarchy of the path to the page, whether or not you have > > visited them. Some, or maybe all, of the intermediate pages may not be > > accessible, and result in a 40n error. > > Ah, interesting. I'm not sure how helpful that really is then. I doubt I > would ever use it. It seems like it's analogous to the same feature that's been available for ages in most applications where document windows correspond to files. Cmd-click on the window title would show the path to the document. This is mostly useful if you have documents with similar names in different folders, so you can see which one you have open. For instance, if you have documents collected into per-year folders, you can see which year you're currently working on. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-07-31 21:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <310720142110433416%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #23833 |
In article <barmar-D57491.18225131072014@news.eternal-september.org>, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > > No, it's a hierarchy of the path to the page, whether or not you have > > > visited them. Some, or maybe all, of the intermediate pages may not be > > > accessible, and result in a 40n error. > > > > Ah, interesting. I'm not sure how helpful that really is then. I doubt I > > would ever use it. > > It seems like it's analogous to the same feature that's been available > for ages in most applications where document windows correspond to > files. Cmd-click on the window title would show the path to the > document. Exactly. BTW, it works with the menu bar in Thoth, showing the hierarchy of open windows.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-07-31 21:09 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <310720142109148073%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #23829 |
In article <c3v7ldFjlk9U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> >> With Safari 7.0.5 I can access a partial hierarchy with a right click
> >> >> on the actual title, and I get a full hierarchy with a left click on
> >> >> the Safari back arrow. I have to assume Safari 8.0 has navigation
> >> >> arrows.
> >> >>
> >> >><https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_825.jpg>
> >> >><https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_826.jpg>
> >> >
> >> > Those are two distinctly different features though. The one Michelle
> >> > describes seems to give you a top-down hierarchical listing...
> >>
> >> ...of the pages you have visited on the web site.
> >
> > No, it's a hierarchy of the path to the page, whether or not you have
> > visited them. Some, or maybe all, of the intermediate pages may not be
> > accessible, and result in a 40n error.
>
> Ah, interesting. I'm not sure how helpful that really is then. I doubt I
> would ever use it.
It's a quick way to get to the home page of a site when you accessed a
child page directly from a link in an email, iMessage, newsgroup
posting, etc. That's only one example. Here's another example:
Photos
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----------------------------------------------------
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2000 2001 2002 2003 2004
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----------------------------------------------------
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Jan Feb Mar Apr May
And a bunch of photos on the links from the months.
You want to go from a Photo in Jan to a Photo in Apr of the same year.
You right click on the address of that photo, choose 2002, then click
on the Apr link and then the photo.
Without this method, you would have to edit the address in the address
bar.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 04:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c40itnFs66bU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #23836 |
On 2014-08-01, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <c3v7ldFjlk9U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> > No, it's a hierarchy of the path to the page, whether or not you have >> > visited them. Some, or maybe all, of the intermediate pages may not be >> > accessible, and result in a 40n error. >> >> Ah, interesting. I'm not sure how helpful that really is then. I doubt I >> would ever use it. > > It's a quick way to get to the home page of a site when you accessed a > child page directly from a link in an email, iMessage, newsgroup > posting, etc. That's only one example. Here's another example: > > > Photos > | > | > ---------------------------------------------------- > | | | | | > | | | | | > 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 > | > | > ---------------------------------------------------- > | | | | | > Jan Feb Mar Apr May > > And a bunch of photos on the links from the months. > > You want to go from a Photo in Jan to a Photo in Apr of the same year. > You right click on the address of that photo, choose 2002, then click > on the Apr link and then the photo. > > Without this method, you would have to edit the address in the address > bar. I've always edited the address manually, and don't consider it very inconvenient. To each, his own, though, of course. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-07-31 22:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <310720142245012867%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #23838 |
In article <c40itnFs66bU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > You want to go from a Photo in Jan to a Photo in Apr of the same year. > > You right click on the address of that photo, choose 2002, then click > > on the Apr link and then the photo. > > > > Without this method, you would have to edit the address in the address > > bar. > > I've always edited the address manually, and don't consider it very > inconvenient. To each, his own, though, of course. But it entails the chance of making a typo.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 14:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c41kuhF4ksgU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #23839 |
On 2014-08-01, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <c40itnFs66bU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> > You want to go from a Photo in Jan to a Photo in Apr of the same year. >> > You right click on the address of that photo, choose 2002, then click >> > on the Apr link and then the photo. >> > >> > Without this method, you would have to edit the address in the address >> > bar. >> >> I've always edited the address manually, and don't consider it very >> inconvenient. To each, his own, though, of course. > > But it entails the chance of making a typo. Either way has disadvantages it seems. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 11:00 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-E867D4.11003201082014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #23842 |
In article <c41kuhF4ksgU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2014-08-01, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > > In article <c40itnFs66bU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger > ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > > >> > You want to go from a Photo in Jan to a Photo in Apr of the same year. > >> > You right click on the address of that photo, choose 2002, then click > >> > on the Apr link and then the photo. > >> > > >> > Without this method, you would have to edit the address in the address > >> > bar. > >> > >> I've always edited the address manually, and don't consider it very > >> inconvenient. To each, his own, though, of course. > > > > But it entails the chance of making a typo. > > Either way has disadvantages it seems. What's the disadvantage of doing it with a popup menu? I just tried to see if Chrome has that feature, it doesn't. I've also always done it by editing the URL, but it can sometimes be annoying that it's providing alternate completions that you have to get rid of. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 15:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c41pdpF5il7U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #23847 |
On 2014-08-01, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > In article <c41kuhF4ksgU1@mid.individual.net>, > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> On 2014-08-01, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: >> > In article <c40itnFs66bU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger >> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > You want to go from a Photo in Jan to a Photo in Apr of the same year. >> >> > You right click on the address of that photo, choose 2002, then click >> >> > on the Apr link and then the photo. >> >> > >> >> > Without this method, you would have to edit the address in the address >> >> > bar. >> >> >> >> I've always edited the address manually, and don't consider it very >> >> inconvenient. To each, his own, though, of course. >> > >> > But it entails the chance of making a typo. >> >> Either way has disadvantages it seems. > > What's the disadvantage of doing it with a popup menu? As Michelle already mentioned, some of the items in that pop-up menu often result in "page not found" errors, probably because the items don't always have a 1-to-1 correlation with actual web pages on the site in question, but are more of a simple dissection of the full textual URL to the page you are viewing at the time. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 11:22 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-19C910.11225701082014@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #23849 |
In article <c41pdpF5il7U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2014-08-01, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > In article <c41kuhF4ksgU1@mid.individual.net>, > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > > >> On 2014-08-01, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > >> > In article <c40itnFs66bU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger > >> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> > You want to go from a Photo in Jan to a Photo in Apr of the same year. > >> >> > You right click on the address of that photo, choose 2002, then click > >> >> > on the Apr link and then the photo. > >> >> > > >> >> > Without this method, you would have to edit the address in the address > >> >> > bar. > >> >> > >> >> I've always edited the address manually, and don't consider it very > >> >> inconvenient. To each, his own, though, of course. > >> > > >> > But it entails the chance of making a typo. > >> > >> Either way has disadvantages it seems. > > > > What's the disadvantage of doing it with a popup menu? > > As Michelle already mentioned, some of the items in that pop-up menu > often result in "page not found" errors, probably because the items > don't always have a 1-to-1 correlation with actual web pages on the site > in question, but are more of a simple dissection of the full textual URL > to the page you are viewing at the time. You have the same problem if you do it by editing the URL. That's neither an advantage nor a disadvantage, it's a draw. Unless you think the existence of something on a menu is supposed to imply that selecting it will do something useful. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 15:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c41q24F5il7U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #23850 |
On 2014-08-01, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > In article <c41pdpF5il7U1@mid.individual.net>, > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> On 2014-08-01, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: >> > >> > What's the disadvantage of doing it with a popup menu? >> >> As Michelle already mentioned, some of the items in that pop-up menu >> often result in "page not found" errors, probably because the items >> don't always have a 1-to-1 correlation with actual web pages on the site >> in question, but are more of a simple dissection of the full textual URL >> to the page you are viewing at the time. > > You have the same problem if you do it by editing the URL. That's > neither an advantage nor a disadvantage, it's a draw. Unless you think > the existence of something on a menu is supposed to imply that selecting > it will do something useful. I can only speak for myself, but yes, I do have the expectation that selecting a menu item will do something useful. You're right that hand-editing the URL could result in the same problem. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 08:36 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <010820140836553842%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #23849 |
In article <c41pdpF5il7U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > > What's the disadvantage of doing it with a popup menu? > > As Michelle already mentioned, some of the items in that pop-up menu > often result in "page not found" errors, probably because the items > don't always have a 1-to-1 correlation with actual web pages on the site > in question, but are more of a simple dissection of the full textual URL > to the page you are viewing at the time. Well, actually, it's not a "page not found" error, but a "You don't have permission to view this page" error. Besides, you get the same error by editing the URL to that point.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2014-08-01 15:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <c41r2bF5il7U5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #23855 |
On 2014-08-01, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > In article <c41pdpF5il7U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> > What's the disadvantage of doing it with a popup menu? >> >> As Michelle already mentioned, some of the items in that pop-up menu >> often result in "page not found" errors, probably because the items >> don't always have a 1-to-1 correlation with actual web pages on the site >> in question, but are more of a simple dissection of the full textual URL >> to the page you are viewing at the time. > > Well, actually, it's not a "page not found" error, but a "You don't > have permission to view this page" error. Besides, you get the same > error by editing the URL to that point. The message you get when you attempt to hit a page depends on how the web server in question is configured. ; ) For instance, if you go here: <http://www.macworld.com/article/2459508/message-to-it-from-mac-users-tread-lightly.html#tk.rss_mac911> ...and then select this menu item: "http://www.macworld.com/article/" ...you'll get a "page not found" error. And yes, I mentioned in my other reply that hand-editing the URL can pose the same problem. Naturally, you can't view pages that don't exist or that are not allowed by the web server in question, regardless of how you get there. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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