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  Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 13:29 -0700
    Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 00:09 +0000
      Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 17:24 -0700
        Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2014-07-30 18:16 -0700
          Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 02:00 +0000
            Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 04:18 +0000
              Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 21:38 -0700
                Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-07-31 16:02 +0000
                  Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-07-31 18:22 -0400
                    Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 21:10 -0700
                  Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 21:09 -0700
                    Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 04:21 +0000
                      Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-31 22:45 -0700
                        Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 14:01 +0000
                          Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-08-01 11:00 -0400
                            Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 15:18 +0000
                              Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-08-01 11:22 -0400
                                Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 15:29 +0000
                              Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 08:36 -0700
                                Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 15:46 +0000
                                  Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 08:57 -0700
                                    Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 16:06 +0000
                                      Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2014-08-01 17:41 -0400
                                        Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-08-01 22:03 +0000
          Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-07-30 20:20 -0700
    Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-08-01 15:25 +0000
      Re: Safari 8.0 gripe Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2014-08-01 08:44 -0700

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#23861

In article <c41r2bF5il7U5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> And yes, I mentioned in my other reply that hand-editing the URL can
> pose the same problem. Naturally, you can't view pages that don't exist
> or that are not allowed by the web server in question, regardless of how
> you get there.

So the question remains as to what advantages there are to hand editing
the URL compared to using the popup menu?  (Well, in Safari 8, the
advantage is that there is no popup menu, but what about earlier
versions?)

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#23862

On 2014-08-01, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <c41r2bF5il7U5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> And yes, I mentioned in my other reply that hand-editing the URL can
>> pose the same problem. Naturally, you can't view pages that don't exist
>> or that are not allowed by the web server in question, regardless of how
>> you get there.
>
> So the question remains as to what advantages there are to hand editing
> the URL compared to using the popup menu?  (Well, in Safari 8, the
> advantage is that there is no popup menu, but what about earlier
> versions?)

Maybe none. I don't really care that much about it, honestly. It's just
not something I spend a whole lot of time doing to begin with.
Personally I expect selecting a menu item to do something useful. While
it seems to be a nice feature, I don't consider holding a key on the
keyboard while clicking a title bar to be any more efficient than simply
editing the URL directly by hand.  Like I said, to each, his own. Choice
is good. : )

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#23869

In article <c41s7vF5il7U11@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2014-08-01, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > In article <c41r2bF5il7U5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> >> And yes, I mentioned in my other reply that hand-editing the URL can
> >> pose the same problem. Naturally, you can't view pages that don't exist
> >> or that are not allowed by the web server in question, regardless of how
> >> you get there.
> >
> > So the question remains as to what advantages there are to hand editing
> > the URL compared to using the popup menu?  (Well, in Safari 8, the
> > advantage is that there is no popup menu, but what about earlier
> > versions?)
> 
> Maybe none. I don't really care that much about it, honestly. It's just
> not something I spend a whole lot of time doing to begin with.
> Personally I expect selecting a menu item to do something useful. While
> it seems to be a nice feature, I don't consider holding a key on the
> keyboard while clicking a title bar to be any more efficient than simply
> editing the URL directly by hand.  Like I said, to each, his own. Choice
> is good. : )

If it's a long URL, hand editing it can be a pain since the URL field is 
just one line. Getting to the appropriate place in the URL is sometimes 
tricky.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#23870

On 2014-08-01, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <c41s7vF5il7U11@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2014-08-01, Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>> > In article <c41r2bF5il7U5@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
>> ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> And yes, I mentioned in my other reply that hand-editing the URL can
>> >> pose the same problem. Naturally, you can't view pages that don't exist
>> >> or that are not allowed by the web server in question, regardless of how
>> >> you get there.
>> >
>> > So the question remains as to what advantages there are to hand editing
>> > the URL compared to using the popup menu?  (Well, in Safari 8, the
>> > advantage is that there is no popup menu, but what about earlier
>> > versions?)
>> 
>> Maybe none. I don't really care that much about it, honestly. It's just
>> not something I spend a whole lot of time doing to begin with.
>> Personally I expect selecting a menu item to do something useful. While
>> it seems to be a nice feature, I don't consider holding a key on the
>> keyboard while clicking a title bar to be any more efficient than simply
>> editing the URL directly by hand.  Like I said, to each, his own. Choice
>> is good. : )
>
> If it's a long URL, hand editing it can be a pain since the URL field is 
> just one line. Getting to the appropriate place in the URL is sometimes 
> tricky.

Yeah, that's a good point too.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#23823

In article <2014073018165131478-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> With Safari 7.0.5 I can access a partial hierarchy with a right click 
> on the actual title, and I get a full hierarchy with a left click on 
> the Safari back arrow. I have to assume Safari 8.0 has navigation 
> arrows.
> <https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_825.jpg>

That's what I was talking about.

> <https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_826.jpg>

That's something completely different, and has been in every version of
Safari and most other browsers.

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#23852

Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> was all, like: 
 --> 	 Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:29:32 -0700 <300720141329320887%michelle@michelle.org>
> Safari 8.0 does not have a title bar.  With earlier version that do
> have a title bar, you could command click on the title and get a
> drop-down menu showing the hierarchy of the page, and let you quickly
> navigate within that hierarchy.  I haven't been able to find out how to
> do that with Safari 8.0

Please file a bug on this. It will be marked a dupe, but that's fine.
The more the merrier.

-- 
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you
really make them think, they'll hate you.” ― Don Marquis

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#23857

In article <slrnltncbi.1to1.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> was
> all, like: 
>  -->    Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:29:32 -0700
> <300720141329320887%michelle@michelle.org>
> > Safari 8.0 does not have a title bar.  With earlier version that do
> > have a title bar, you could command click on the title and get a
> > drop-down menu showing the hierarchy of the page, and let you quickly
> > navigate within that hierarchy.  I haven't been able to find out how to
> > do that with Safari 8.0
> 
> Please file a bug on this. It will be marked a dupe, but that's fine.
> The more the merrier.

More likely, it will be marked as "works as designed".  Nevertheless,
I'm reporting it with the Feedback Assistant included with the beta of
Yosemite.

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