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  .srt text files paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink - 2014-06-08 12:37 -0500
    Re: .srt text files dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-09 08:33 +1000
      Re: .srt text files paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink - 2014-06-10 11:26 -0500
        Re: .srt text files Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-06-10 16:41 +0000
        Re: .srt text files dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-06-11 08:47 +1000
        Re: .srt text files dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2014-06-11 12:23 +1200
          Re: .srt text files paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink - 2014-06-17 19:37 -0500
    Re: .srt text files gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2014-06-08 22:16 -0700

#22536 — .srt text files

When I open an .srt subtitle file saved from an application like Subs
Factory or Aegisub with textedit or NeoOffice, it changes the first
subtitle line number from a 1 to a zero, and throws off the whole file
line numbering lower by one.  Does anyone know why and how to counter
it?  It is useful for me to have actual and accurate hard copy of these
files.

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#22571

In article <1lmx9f8.18f2lxaelz9dkN%paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink>,
 paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink wrote:

> When I open an .srt subtitle file saved from an application like Subs
> Factory or Aegisub with textedit or NeoOffice, it changes the first
> subtitle line number from a 1 to a zero, 

How do you know it does this? When and where did you see it as 1 
before it changed it?


> and throws off the whole file
> line numbering lower by one.  Does anyone know why and how to counter
> it?  It is useful for me to have actual and accurate hard copy of these
> files.

-- 
dorayme

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#22689

dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> In article <1lmx9f8.18f2lxaelz9dkN%paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink>,
>  paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink wrote:
> 
> > When I open an .srt subtitle file saved from an application like Subs
> > Factory or Aegisub with textedit or NeoOffice, it changes the first
> > subtitle line number from a 1 to a zero, 
> 
> How do you know it does this? When and where did you see it as 1 
> before it changed it?
> 
> 
> > and throws off the whole file
> > line numbering lower by one.  Does anyone know why and how to counter
> > it?  It is useful for me to have actual and accurate hard copy of these
> > files.

If I load or construct an srt file into either Aegisub or Subs Factory,
the first line is number with a "1" as it should be.  If I take this
same srt file and open it with either TextEdit or NeoOffice, the first
line is changed to a zero.  Happens every time.

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#22693

On 2014-06-10, paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink <paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink> wrote:
> dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <1lmx9f8.18f2lxaelz9dkN%paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink>,
>>  paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink wrote:
>> 
>> > When I open an .srt subtitle file saved from an application like Subs
>> > Factory or Aegisub with textedit or NeoOffice, it changes the first
>> > subtitle line number from a 1 to a zero, 
>> 
>> How do you know it does this? When and where did you see it as 1 
>> before it changed it?
>> 
>> 
>> > and throws off the whole file
>> > line numbering lower by one.  Does anyone know why and how to counter
>> > it?  It is useful for me to have actual and accurate hard copy of these
>> > files.
>
> If I load or construct an srt file into either Aegisub or Subs Factory,
> the first line is number with a "1" as it should be.  If I take this
> same srt file and open it with either TextEdit or NeoOffice, the first
> line is changed to a zero.  Happens every time.

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Doctor: "Well stop doing that, then."

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

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#22750

In article <1ln0vm7.yl9hsu1t7haioN%paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink>,
 paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink wrote:

> dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <1lmx9f8.18f2lxaelz9dkN%paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink>,
> >  paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink wrote:
> > 
> > > When I open an .srt subtitle file saved from an application like Subs
> > > Factory or Aegisub with textedit or NeoOffice, it changes the first
> > > subtitle line number from a 1 to a zero, 
> > 
> > How do you know it does this? When and where did you see it as 1 
> > before it changed it?
> > 
> > 
> > > and throws off the whole file
> > > line numbering lower by one.  Does anyone know why and how to counter
> > > it?  It is useful for me to have actual and accurate hard copy of these
> > > files.
> 
> If I load or construct an srt file into either Aegisub or Subs Factory,
> the first line is number with a "1" as it should be.  If I take this
> same srt file and open it with either TextEdit or NeoOffice, the first
> line is changed to a zero.  Happens every time.

What is the effect practically? You have two files, almost identical, 
one saved in the editor that uses 1 for first numeral, and the other 
that uses 0. You play the film and you switch between the two .srt 
files, does the one synchronise and the other not with the scene 
and/or lips of the characters on screen?

-- 
dorayme

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#22753

<paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink> wrote:

> dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <1lmx9f8.18f2lxaelz9dkN%paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink>,
> >  paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink wrote:
> > 
> > > When I open an .srt subtitle file saved from an application like Subs
> > > Factory or Aegisub with textedit or NeoOffice, it changes the first
> > > subtitle line number from a 1 to a zero, 
> > 
> > How do you know it does this? When and where did you see it as 1 
> > before it changed it?
> > 
> > 
> > > and throws off the whole file
> > > line numbering lower by one.  Does anyone know why and how to counter
> > > it?  It is useful for me to have actual and accurate hard copy of these
> > > files.
> 
> If I load or construct an srt file into either Aegisub or Subs Factory,
> the first line is number with a "1" as it should be.  If I take this
> same srt file and open it with either TextEdit or NeoOffice, the first
> line is changed to a zero.  Happens every time.

Can you upload one of the affected .srt files somewhere and provide a
link so others can see for themselves?

What you are describing doesn't make sense. .srt files are plain text,
and TextEdit doesn't change the content of any plain text file - it just
shows what is in the file, as should NeoOffice, and as would QuickLook,
TextWrangler or similar plain text editors, or even using the 'less'
command in Terminal.

I suspect that your .srt files really do have subtitles numbered
starting at zero, but software like Aegisub which understands the file
format knows that is incorrect and is silenty renumbering everything to
start at subtitle 1.

Assuming I'm right, the problem is most likely to be with whatever
software was used to create your .srt files, not what you are using to
look at them.
-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#23040

David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> <paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink> wrote:
> 
> > dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <1lmx9f8.18f2lxaelz9dkN%paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink>,
> > >  paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink wrote:
> > > 
> > > > When I open an .srt subtitle file saved from an application like Subs
> > > > Factory or Aegisub with textedit or NeoOffice, it changes the first
> > > > subtitle line number from a 1 to a zero, 
> > > 
> > > How do you know it does this? When and where did you see it as 1 
> > > before it changed it?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > and throws off the whole file
> > > > line numbering lower by one.  Does anyone know why and how to counter
> > > > it?  It is useful for me to have actual and accurate hard copy of these
> > > > files.
> > 
> > If I load or construct an srt file into either Aegisub or Subs Factory,
> > the first line is number with a "1" as it should be.  If I take this
> > same srt file and open it with either TextEdit or NeoOffice, the first
> > line is changed to a zero.  Happens every time.
> 
> Can you upload one of the affected .srt files somewhere and provide a
> link so others can see for themselves?
> 
> What you are describing doesn't make sense. .srt files are plain text,
> and TextEdit doesn't change the content of any plain text file - it just
> shows what is in the file, as should NeoOffice, and as would QuickLook,
> TextWrangler or similar plain text editors, or even using the 'less'
> command in Terminal.
> 
> I suspect that your .srt files really do have subtitles numbered
> starting at zero, but software like Aegisub which understands the file
> format knows that is incorrect and is silenty renumbering everything to
> start at subtitle 1.
> 
> Assuming I'm right, the problem is most likely to be with whatever
> software was used to create your .srt files, not what you are using to
> look at them.

Thanks David,

No, it doesn't make any sense.  It was a royal pain when I was trying to
do these Spanish subtitles two weeks ago.  I even have the hard copy
printouts of them.  But I just tested my finished srt file with both
TextEdit and NeoOffice, and both behaved perfectly.  If I didn't have
the original hard copy, I would write it off to bad behavior during the
summer of love.  As it is, I have no explanation, but I won't worry
about it unless it happens again.  Ironically, the video I was
translating is called Freq of Nature.

But I think it has something to do with the process I used.  Hoping to
shortcut the timing, I downloaded the video from youtube and it gave me
also the English caption srt.  My plan was to use their timing sequence
and translate the caption srt's line for line.  So I opened it up in
TextEdit  and got that zero problem.  Same with NeoOffice.  Since the
zero made the first line useless, the only solutions I could think of
was to try to squeeze the first line into the next couple, trying not to
screw up the timing that much, or renumber all 230 lines manually.
Shortly I realized that the timing part of the youtube srt was also
really crappy, so after completing the translations, I redid the timing
from scratch.  So it has something to do with how youtube does
downloadable srt files which I captured through iSkySoft iTube Studio.
But it is not important, because I would never try that method again
anyway.

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#22599

On 2014-06-08 17:37:24 +0000, paulfuchs@spamain'tkosher.oink said:

> When I open an .srt subtitle file saved from an application like Subs
> Factory or Aegisub with textedit or NeoOffice, it changes the first
> subtitle line number from a 1 to a zero, and throws off the whole file
> line numbering lower by one.  Does anyone know why and how to counter
> it?  It is useful for me to have actual and accurate hard copy of these
> files.

I have no idea what you're experiencing.  I just loaded a .srt into 
Subtitles TheEditor, then looked at it with Quicklook and then loaded 
it into textedit to see about these "changes". No changes:

Example:
	http://grab.by/xAkE

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