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  Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-06 13:12 -0500
    Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-06 13:29 -0500
    Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-03-06 18:46 +0000
      Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-03-06 18:49 +0000
        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-08 10:29 -0500
      Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-06 13:56 -0500
        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-03-06 20:26 +0000
          Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-08 10:03 -0500
            Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-08 15:16 +0000
            Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-03-08 18:02 +0000
        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-03-07 09:02 +1100
          Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-08 10:21 -0500
            Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2014-03-09 10:46 +0100
              Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-09 18:06 -0400
                Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-09 22:44 +0000
                  Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-09 20:19 -0400
                    Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-10 00:35 +0000
                      Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-09 22:13 -0400
                        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-10 15:18 +0000
                          Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-10 14:19 -0400
                            Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-10 18:52 +0000
                            Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-03-11 02:10 +0000
                              Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-11 02:00 -0400
                        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-03-11 10:57 +1100
                          Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-11 01:59 -0400
                            Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-03-11 22:36 +1100
                              Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-11 12:26 +0000
                                Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-03-12 07:09 +1100
                            Google Groups (was Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-03-11 17:08 +0000
                      Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-10 17:18 -0400
              Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-09 18:10 -0400
        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. philo  <philo@privacy.net> - 2014-03-07 16:03 -0600
          Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-09 18:03 -0400
    Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-06 19:03 +0000
      Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-08 10:19 -0500
        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-08 15:52 +0000
    Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-03-06 22:32 +0000
    Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-03-08 22:49 -0500
      Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-11 02:13 -0400
        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-11 16:38 +0000

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#21464

On 2014-03-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On 10 Mar 2014 15:18:28 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2014-03-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>> On 10 Mar 2014 00:35:47 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2014-03-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 9 Mar 2014 22:44:31 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 2014-03-09, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sending him a copy of this and my previous post in this thread. 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any reason he can't come here and discuss the problem with us directly?
>>>>>>That might be much more productive and efficient.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe. 
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you all use for reading news with a Mac?       Is it included
>>>>> with 10.4?  
>>>>
>>>>There are various options (MacSoup, MT-NewsWatcher, Thunderbird, slrn,
>>>
>>> Thunderbird is free.  Are any of the others free? 
>>
>>slrn is free (open source), but requires lots of setup and knowledge of
>>command-line environments. So it's not for beginners, by any means.
>>
>>>>and so on); but probably the easiest (but by far not the best in most
>>>>any way) is to just use http://groups.google.com to view and post to the
>>>>comp.sys.mac.apps news group. All that is required for that is a web
>>>>browser. 
>>>
>>> If there are other choices, I refuse to refer him to groups.google.
>>> I've been trying to figure out how we could get up a posse and get
>>> everyone else out of there.    
>>
>>Well I did say it'd be the easiest. : )
>
> Yes, you did.    And you said it was by far not the best in most any
> way. 

Google lets so much spam and off-topic crap through their web interface
I typically filter out any posts from Google Groups. The web-based view
also breaks some netiquette rules and so on. It's easy, but doesn't
really play well with others. : )

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#21482

On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:19:11 UTC, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> 
wrote:

> On 10 Mar 2014 15:18:28 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> >On 2014-03-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >> On 10 Mar 2014 00:35:47 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 2014-03-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 9 Mar 2014 22:44:31 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>On 2014-03-09, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm sending him a copy of this and my previous post in this thread. 
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Any reason he can't come here and discuss the problem with us directly?
> >>>>>That might be much more productive and efficient.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe. 
> >>>>
> >>>> What do you all use for reading news with a Mac?       Is it included
> >>>> with 10.4?  
> >>>
> >>>There are various options (MacSoup, MT-NewsWatcher, Thunderbird, slrn,
> >>
> >> Thunderbird is free.  Are any of the others free? 
> >
> >slrn is free (open source), but requires lots of setup and knowledge of
> >command-line environments. So it's not for beginners, by any means.
> >
> >>>and so on); but probably the easiest (but by far not the best in most
> >>>any way) is to just use http://groups.google.com to view and post to the
> >>>comp.sys.mac.apps news group. All that is required for that is a web
> >>>browser. 
> >>
> >> If there are other choices, I refuse to refer him to groups.google.
> >> I've been trying to figure out how we could get up a posse and get
> >> everyone else out of there.    
> >
> >Well I did say it'd be the easiest. : )
> 
> Yes, you did.    And you said it was by far not the best in most any
> way. 
> 
> >Thunderbird is probably your best bet then.
> 
> I'll tell him.  Right now.  Blip!
 
How will we know him when he comes?

-- 
John Varela

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#21488

On 11 Mar 2014 02:10:39 GMT, "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:19:11 UTC, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> 
>wrote:
>
>> On 10 Mar 2014 15:18:28 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >On 2014-03-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> >> On 10 Mar 2014 00:35:47 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On 2014-03-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> >>>> On 9 Mar 2014 22:44:31 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>On 2014-03-09, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I'm sending him a copy of this and my previous post in this thread. 
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Any reason he can't come here and discuss the problem with us directly?
>> >>>>>That might be much more productive and efficient.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Maybe. 
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What do you all use for reading news with a Mac?       Is it included
>> >>>> with 10.4?  
>> >>>
>> >>>There are various options (MacSoup, MT-NewsWatcher, Thunderbird, slrn,
>> >>
>> >> Thunderbird is free.  Are any of the others free? 
>> >
>> >slrn is free (open source), but requires lots of setup and knowledge of
>> >command-line environments. So it's not for beginners, by any means.
>> >
>> >>>and so on); but probably the easiest (but by far not the best in most
>> >>>any way) is to just use http://groups.google.com to view and post to the
>> >>>comp.sys.mac.apps news group. All that is required for that is a web
>> >>>browser. 
>> >>
>> >> If there are other choices, I refuse to refer him to groups.google.
>> >> I've been trying to figure out how we could get up a posse and get
>> >> everyone else out of there.    
>> >
>> >Well I did say it'd be the easiest. : )
>> 
>> Yes, you did.    And you said it was by far not the best in most any
>> way. 
>> 
>> >Thunderbird is probably your best bet then.
>> 
>> I'll tell him.  Right now.  Blip!
> 
>How will we know him when he comes?

Hmmm.    By his red beard?

I think he'll identify himself.  

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#21475

In article <mq7qh9963d024anjok8bm192b90gujgb4s@4ax.com>,
 micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> If there are other choices, I refuse to refer him to groups.google.
> I've been trying to figure out how we could get up a posse and get
> everyone else out of there.    

Have you actually looked at the thread on GG? It is not as bad as you 
are imagining. I am looking at it right now and it has no spam and the 
only posts are what appear on my proper newsreader. I am on a Mac and 
Safari. JR's suggestion is a good one.

-- 
dorayme

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#21487

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:57:33 +1100, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
wrote:

>In article <mq7qh9963d024anjok8bm192b90gujgb4s@4ax.com>,
> micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>> If there are other choices, I refuse to refer him to groups.google.
>> I've been trying to figure out how we could get up a posse and get
>> everyone else out of there.    
>
>Have you actually looked at the thread on GG? 

Yes**, for a long complicated reason.   And other threads, usually
because they were old and I'd searched for them.  (Of course Google
weakened Advanced Search recently.)

**And I even copied one of the helpful posts and emailed it to my
friend. 

>It is not as bad as you 
>are imagining. I am looking at it right now and it has no spam and the 

Spam is not the problem.  Even without GG, I get spam on other
newsgroups, not this one, and I don't like it but I ignore it. 

The problem with GG is that  when people who post from there, GG puts in
a blank line between every two lines.  At  least for some people.  I'm
told there are 3 interfaces for GG and at least one does that, and at
least one doesn't.    Then when they reply the next time, there is a
blank line inserted for every line of text and every blank line.  It's 4
times as long as it should be, and hard to read. 

>only posts are what appear on my proper newsreader. I am on a Mac and 
>Safari. JR's suggestion is a good one.

Thanks. 

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#21491

In article <gd8th9hkcu1ikapcutbsegf2bogkqc3sto@4ax.com>,
 micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> The problem with GG is that  when people who post from there, GG puts in
> a blank line between every two lines.  At  least for some people.  I'm
> told there are 3 interfaces for GG and at least one does that, and at
> least one doesn't.    Then when they reply the next time, there is a
> blank line inserted for every line of text and every blank line.  It's 4
> times as long as it should be, and hard to read.

I am looking at this very post in GG just to check and it seems 
perfectly readable, perfectly ordered? I don't see blank lines between 
*every* two lines? I must have the interface that does not. I agree 
that would be unpleasant for those it happens to. I have done nothing 
special to the settings?

-- 
dorayme

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#21492

In article <do_ray_me-6AE930.22360411032014@news.albasani.net>, dorayme
<do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> In article <gd8th9hkcu1ikapcutbsegf2bogkqc3sto@4ax.com>,
>  micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> 
> > The problem with GG is that  when people who post from there, GG puts in
> > a blank line between every two lines.  At  least for some people.  I'm
> > told there are 3 interfaces for GG and at least one does that, and at
> > least one doesn't.    Then when they reply the next time, there is a
> > blank line inserted for every line of text and every blank line.  It's 4
> > times as long as it should be, and hard to read.
> 
> I am looking at this very post in GG just to check and it seems 
> perfectly readable, perfectly ordered? I don't see blank lines between 
> *every* two lines? I must have the interface that does not. I agree 
> that would be unpleasant for those it happens to. I have done nothing 
> special to the settings?

When someone posts from GG, what I observe (using Thoth, but I think I
saw the same with MT-NW) is that the *quoted* lines become further and
further apart. So it goes something like this:

original posted text (I'm indenting these examples):

     first posted line
     second posted line

first reply from GG:

     > first posted line
     >
     > second posted line

     and here goes the response to
     the first post

second reply from GG:

     >> first posted line
     >>
     >>
     >> second posted line

     > and here goes the response to
     >
     > the first post

     and this is the response
     to that post

and so on. And it gets worse and more ludicrous with each GG response.
And that gets dull and sodding tedious PDQ. So such posters end up in
the shit-can, not necessarily because of what they post, but because of
the tediosity of the process of trying to disentangle it all.

This is the aspect of which we complain.

-- 
"The idea that Bill Gates has appeared like a knight in shining armour to
 lead all customers out of a mire of technological chaos neatly ignores 
 the fact that it was he who, by peddling second-rate technology, led them
 into it in the first place."                             - Douglas Adams

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#21496

In article <110320141226027137%timstreater@greenbee.net>,
 Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <do_ray_me-6AE930.22360411032014@news.albasani.net>, dorayme
> <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <gd8th9hkcu1ikapcutbsegf2bogkqc3sto@4ax.com>,
> >  micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > The problem with GG is that  when people who post from there, GG puts in
> > > a blank line between every two lines.  At  least for some people.  I'm
> > > told there are 3 interfaces for GG and at least one does that, and at
> > > least one doesn't.    Then when they reply the next time, there is a
> > > blank line inserted for every line of text and every blank line.  It's 4
> > > times as long as it should be, and hard to read.
> > 
> > I am looking at this very post in GG just to check and it seems 
> > perfectly readable, perfectly ordered? I don't see blank lines between 
> > *every* two lines? I must have the interface that does not. I agree 
> > that would be unpleasant for those it happens to. I have done nothing 
> > special to the settings?
> 
> When someone posts from GG, what I observe (using Thoth, but I think I
> saw the same with MT-NW) is that the *quoted* lines become further and
> further apart. So it goes something like this:
> 
> original posted text (I'm indenting these examples):
> 
>      first posted line
>      second posted line
> 
> first reply from GG:
> 
>      > first posted line
>      >
>      > second posted line
> 
>      and here goes the response to
>      the first post
> 
> second reply from GG:
> 
>      >> first posted line
>      >>
>      >>
>      >> second posted line
> 
>      > and here goes the response to
>      >
>      > the first post
> 
>      and this is the response
>      to that post
> 
> and so on. And it gets worse and more ludicrous with each GG response.
> And that gets dull and sodding tedious PDQ. So such posters end up in
> the shit-can, not necessarily because of what they post, but because of
> the tediosity of the process of trying to disentangle it all.
> 
> This is the aspect of which we complain.

OK, I guess it does not bother me much on the occasions I use it to 
check on something that is difficult to survey on MT-NW, and secondly, 
it is not all that more annoying than that generally people quote too 
much in their posts.

-- 
dorayme

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#21495 — Google Groups (was Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore)

In article <gd8th9hkcu1ikapcutbsegf2bogkqc3sto@4ax.com>,
micky  <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>The problem with GG is that  when people who post from there, GG puts in
>a blank line between every two lines.  At  least for some people.  I'm
>told there are 3 interfaces for GG and at least one does that, and at
>least one doesn't.    Then when they reply the next time, there is a
>blank line inserted for every line of text and every blank line.  It's 4
>times as long as it should be, and hard to read. 

Amen! Except I just realized that I'm not seeing that as much as
I used to. You may be on to something that it only happens with
certain interfaces to GG. If we could pin down the specifics,
we could try to get the problem posters to switch.


Patty

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#21469

On 2014.03.09, 20:35 , Jolly Roger wrote:

>but probably the easiest (but by far not the best in most
> any way) is to just use http://groups.google.com to view and post to the
> comp.sys.mac.apps news group.


                    HERETIC!


-- 
   Those who have reduced our privacy, whether they are state
   or commercial actors, prefer that we do not reduce theirs.
                  - Jaron Lanier, Scientific American, 2013.11.

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#21422

On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 10:46:09 +0100, Andreas Rutishauser
<andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:

>Salut Micky
>
>me thinks you are checking the wrong Library:
>
>Macintosh HD/Library/Mail/ does not contain any user data
>Check
>Macintosh HD/Users/MyName/Library/Mail/
>instead
>=
That sounds very likely.    I don't remember seeing 'hisname' but otoh,
I don't even know what his name is there. 

I'm sending him a copy of this and my previous post in this thread. 

Actually, Arnold, this will help you only a little, unless you can
compare the user data (all the emails in one file, probably) from the
Macintosh HD compared to the Mac Backup, and we can't plug in the Mac
Backup yet.     Maybe we could but I don't want to risk it, when a
couple hours more work will make it safe.    But we could at least
compare file sizes, using Finder for Macintosh HD and your PC laptop for
the Mac Backup.  But no rush about that either. 

I'm going to be up late tonight.  Maybe at 11PM we or I alone can have
another teamviewer session with the Mac. 


>Cheers
>Andreas
>
>In article <hbcmh99ki5dd96bg5vcv3oemgep4jgaf2e@4ax.com>,
> micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 09:02:29 +1100, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >In article <spghh9hfoljcobhe3e7v9iund4mmcdrqt4@4ax.com>,
>> > micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Alternatively, he has SuperDuper, but he either could't find the
>> >> external drive to look in it with Find, or he found it but couldn't find
>> >> the Mail program or the Inbox.   Is there some trick to that?  
>> >
>> >
>> >They might well be there. One thing to verify this, if the external 
>> 
>> Before we could do what you suggest, we made progress with Finder.  
>> 
>> In the left hand column were many entries, but one was I think MacDrive
>> or HardDrive or something and 5 lines down was MacBackup.  
>> 
>> I started with the first one, (and maybe I clicked on Appications) and
>> then on Mail, and maybe one more click and then it displayed the icon
>> for the mail program and some statistics about it.  Then I clicked on
>> See More and it gave the size and location.    The location was the main
>> hard drive. 
>> 
>> Then I did the same thigns for MacBackup and when I clicked on See More,
>> the size was the same, about 1.something Megabytes and the location was
>> clearly given as MacBackup, something I missed two yearss ago when we
>> were installing superDuper.  
>> 
>> 
>> Then I started again with the two drives and clicked on LIbrary, then
>> Applications or Mail (I forget) then something else, and finally it came
>> down to 3 files, 2 of which were labeled 4K, and another that was also
>> small.    This too was the same for both drives. 
>> 
>> 
>> He had also suggested reading the backup from another computer, and
>> since his friend with a Mac moved away, he suggested his PC netbook, so
>> he downloaded Catacombae, and installed it and plugged the external
>> drive into the netbook, and the format looked a little more like Windows
>> format, but we never found more email.  The biggest file was 1 meg or so
>> and he is missing maybe thousands of emails. 
>> 
>> 
>> >drive is a bootable backup (as SuperDuper can do), start the machine 
>> >up from the external and fire up the Mail.app program. Simplest way:
>> >
>> >* Shut the machine down. 
>> >
>> >* Start it up but hold the Option key down
>> >
>> >* Choose the external drive
>> >
>> >* Turn off the internet connection (so nothing comes in to confuse the 
>> >situation)
>> >
>> >* Fire up Mail.app
>> >
>> >
>> >Most of the stuff for Mail.app - on my Mac X OS at least - is stored 
>> >in the user library under Mail and Mail Downloads folders.
>> 
>> In my today's reply to Patty, you'll see that using Finder I looked
>> under Library and then under Mail and there were only 3 files there, all
>> quite small, 4K for two of them.  I should have said that that alone is
>> strange since he still has some email in in his inbox, and more arrived
>> Thursday and Friday. 
>> 
>> Did you create "mail downloads", or should he have that too.  I didn't
>> see it.   He had intended to create more mailboxes but hadn't gotten
>> around to it.

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#21368

On 03/06/2014 12:56 PM, micky wrote:
> On 06 Mar 2014 18:46:08 GMT, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> In article <oaehh91gccmmnjlhcpp1egg2i82vueo5v1@4ax.com>,
>> micky  <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>> I'm trying to help a friend who deleted his mail by acciident from the
>>> standard Mac email program.  I know PCs but not Macs. so the language
>>> I'm forced to use is PC-style
>>
>> Do you know what steps he used to delete the mail? Did he accidentally
>> select all his messages and then click on the Delete icon in Mail?
>
> It seems he didn't put the mail in the trash mailbox.
>
> He dragged them to the Trash icon.    He says they are unrecoverable
> from there.


<snip>


That is good news and they are recoverable unless the person also 
emptied the trash bin

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#21420

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 16:03:52 -0600, philo  <philo@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 03/06/2014 12:56 PM, micky wrote:
>> On 06 Mar 2014 18:46:08 GMT, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> In article <oaehh91gccmmnjlhcpp1egg2i82vueo5v1@4ax.com>,
>>> micky  <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm trying to help a friend who deleted his mail by acciident from the
>>>> standard Mac email program.  I know PCs but not Macs. so the language
>>>> I'm forced to use is PC-style
>>>
>>> Do you know what steps he used to delete the mail? Did he accidentally
>>> select all his messages and then click on the Delete icon in Mail?
>>
>> It seems he didn't put the mail in the trash mailbox.
>>
>> He dragged them to the Trash icon.    He says they are unrecoverable
>> from there.
>
>
><snip>
>
>
>That is good news and they are recoverable unless the person also 
>emptied the trash bin

He assures me again that he didn't do that.    He just can't see them in
the trash bin. 

Perhaps he never actually trashed them and they're in the Inbox, but
something prevents him from seeing them there.    I use Agent for
newsrgroups, and for newsgroup posts, you can have lots of "views", like
unread messages, read messages, etc.   Does Mail have anything like this
that might keep him from seeing mail that is right there? 

(Of course Agent itself doesn't have these views for email, I don't
think.) 

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#21361

In message <oaehh91gccmmnjlhcpp1egg2i82vueo5v1@4ax.com> 
  micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to help a friend who deleted his mail by acciident from the
> standard Mac email program.  I know PCs but not Macs. so the language
> I'm forced to use is PC-style

> What is the Mac Mail program called? 

Mail

> What is the Mac Recycle Bin called?

Trash, but it is *nothing* like the Recycle Bin

> Can't he just open the the "recycle bin", find the inbox file for the
> email  (What is the inbox called?)  and do something that will put the
> deleted file back where it came from? 

Maybe. Depends on how he deleted it.

> Does the "recycle bin" show file size or file date?  Those would be
> useful for determining which file it is, because he last updated the
> file today or yesterday, and it's a big file.    Or does it give the
> fully-qualified name, which would be??

All the information for the files in the Trash is available, including
date created, date modified, size, name, and type.

-- 
"@Drhorrible is not following you" Whew! that's a relief, I was sure
some super villain was following me. Hope it's not Dick Cheney.

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#21373

On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 19:03:05 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>In message <oaehh91gccmmnjlhcpp1egg2i82vueo5v1@4ax.com> 
>  micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> I'm trying to help a friend who deleted his mail by acciident from the
>> standard Mac email program.  I know PCs but not Macs. so the language
>> I'm forced to use is PC-style
>
>> What is the Mac Mail program called? 
>
>Mail
>
>> What is the Mac Recycle Bin called?
>
>Trash, but it is *nothing* like the Recycle Bin

Because files can't be recycled, retrieved from it? 
>
>> Can't he just open the the "recycle bin", find the inbox file for the
>> email  (What is the inbox called?)  and do something that will put the
>> deleted file back where it came from? 
>
>Maybe. Depends on how he deleted it.

This, to the extent I know it, is answered in other posts. 

>> Does the "recycle bin" show file size or file date?  Those would be
>> useful for determining which file it is, because he last updated the
>> file today or yesterday, and it's a big file.    Or does it give the
>> fully-qualified name, which would be??
>
>All the information for the files in the Trash is available, including
>date created, date modified, size, name, and type.

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#21377

In article <d5dmh9lkncfqks7932rvvtktti0e79ppnh@4ax.com>, micky
<NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 19:03:05 +0000 (UTC), Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
> >In message <oaehh91gccmmnjlhcpp1egg2i82vueo5v1@4ax.com> 
> >  micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >> I'm trying to help a friend who deleted his mail by acciident from the
> >> standard Mac email program.  I know PCs but not Macs. so the language
> >> I'm forced to use is PC-style
> >
> >> What is the Mac Mail program called? 
> >
> >Mail
> >
> >> What is the Mac Recycle Bin called?
> >
> >Trash, but it is *nothing* like the Recycle Bin
> 
> Because files can't be recycled, retrieved from it? 

They stay there until you empty it.

-- 
"If you're not able to ask questions and deal with the answers without feeling 
that someone has called your intelligence or competence into question, don't 
ask questions on Usenet where the answers won't be carefully tailored to avoid
tripping your hair-trigger insecurities."                  - D M Procida, UCSM

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#21364

On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 18:12:28 UTC, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> 
wrote:

> I'm trying to help a friend who deleted his mail by acciident from the
> standard Mac email program.  I know PCs but not Macs. so the language
> I'm forced to use is PC-style
> 
> What is the Mac Mail program called? 
> 
> What is the Mac Recycle Bin called?
> 
> Can't he just open the the "recycle bin", find the inbox file for the
> email  (What is the inbox called?)  and do something that will put the
> deleted file back where it came from? 
> 
> Does the "recycle bin" show file size or file date?  Those would be
> useful for determining which file it is, because he last updated the
> file today or yesterday, and it's a big file.    Or does it give the
> fully-qualified name, which would be??
> 
> Thanks from me and him. 

Why doesn't he just restore from backup? Time Machine would be best.

Oh. Yes. Of course he has no backup.

Maybe you could make this a teaching moment.

Next question: did he delete the files or did he delete the mail 
box? (I'm not sure a mail box can be deleted without going into 
Preferences, but I thought I'd ask.) Does the mail box still exist?

-- 
John Varela

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#21395

In article <oaehh91gccmmnjlhcpp1egg2i82vueo5v1@4ax.com>,
 micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to help a friend who deleted his mail by acciident from the
> standard Mac email program.  I know PCs but not Macs. so the language
> I'm forced to use is PC-style
> 
> What is the Mac Mail program called? 
> 
> What is the Mac Recycle Bin called?
> 
> Can't he just open the the "recycle bin", find the inbox file for the
> email  (What is the inbox called?)  and do something that will put the
> deleted file back where it came from? 
> 
> Does the "recycle bin" show file size or file date?  Those would be
> useful for determining which file it is, because he last updated the
> file today or yesterday, and it's a big file.    Or does it give the
> fully-qualified name, which would be??

Micky-

Something about your problem does not make sense.  I'm on an old 
computer, and was not able to move Mail.app's Inbox to the trash.  It 
refused to go!  Mine is version 4.5 of Mail.app, so yours may not be the 
same.

The only way I could get the Inbox to disappear was to go to Mail.app's 
View menu and select "Hide Mailboxes".  If that is what happened to your 
friend's mailbox, you can go to the View menu and select "Show 
Mailboxes".

Fred

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#21489

On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 22:49:09 -0500, Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> wrote:

>In article <oaehh91gccmmnjlhcpp1egg2i82vueo5v1@4ax.com>,
> micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to help a friend who deleted his mail by acciident from the
>> standard Mac email program.  I know PCs but not Macs. so the language
>> I'm forced to use is PC-style
>> 
>> What is the Mac Mail program called? 
>> 
>> What is the Mac Recycle Bin called?
>> 
>> Can't he just open the the "recycle bin", find the inbox file for the
>> email  (What is the inbox called?)  and do something that will put the
>> deleted file back where it came from? 
>> 
>> Does the "recycle bin" show file size or file date?  Those would be
>> useful for determining which file it is, because he last updated the
>> file today or yesterday, and it's a big file.    Or does it give the
>> fully-qualified name, which would be??
>
>Micky-
>
>Something about your problem does not make sense.  I'm on an old 
>computer, and was not able to move Mail.app's Inbox to the trash.  It 
>refused to go!  Mine is version 4.5 of Mail.app, so yours may not be the 
>same.

I think I saw the box that shows the version of the app, but I didn't
note what it was. 

>The only way I could get the Inbox to disappear

This is my fault.  Sorry.   I see that the subject line says Inbox
deleted.   I meant that all the mail in it was.   But later I found out
even that's not so.  A few were left and, it seems, thousands of emails
were deleted**. 

He was attempting to delete "many", dozens or maybe hundreds of emails
that he didn't want anymore, and when he put the cursor on Mail Trash (I
guess that's when he got the message), it refused to delete that many.

Then all of a sudden -- maybe his finger twitched -- the email he
intended to delete and loads of other email was gone.  Maybe he had a
visual reason to think it went to Mac Trash, or maybe he assumed it
would be there since it wasnt' in Mail Trash. 

> was to go to Mail.app's 
>View menu and select "Hide Mailboxes".  If that is what happened to your 
>friend's mailbox, you can go to the View menu and select "Show 
>Mailboxes".

Somehow, even though it shouldn't since he says he sees a few emails in
the inbox,  this sounds like a possibility.    I'll check.  He didn't
Monday night, and it was just as well since I slept from 3 in the
afternoon to 10 PM, I don't know why, since I slept Sunday night too. 

Thanks. 

>Fred

**(He's kicking himself the past few days that he didn't make more
mailboxes, so that much less would have been lost.  BTW, I've been
urging him to make mailboxes and I'm the one who talked him into getting
SuperDuper. But he's older than I am and I can't tell him what to do.
well I couldnt' even if he were younger. ) 

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#21494

On 2014-03-11, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> This is my fault.  Sorry.   I see that the subject line says Inbox
> deleted.   I meant that all the mail in it was.   But later I found out
> even that's not so.  A few were left and, it seems, thousands of emails
> were deleted**. 
>
> He was attempting to delete "many", dozens or maybe hundreds of emails
> that he didn't want anymore, and when he put the cursor on Mail Trash (I
> guess that's when he got the message), it refused to delete that many.
>
> Then all of a sudden -- maybe his finger twitched -- the email he
> intended to delete and loads of other email was gone.  Maybe he had a
> visual reason to think it went to Mac Trash, or maybe he assumed it
> would be there since it wasnt' in Mail Trash. 

The messages *would* be in the Mail Trash though - *unless* he emptied
the Mail trash sometime after dragging them there.

Were all of the messages from the same email account, or was he looking
at a combined view Inbox of all email accounts? Also, were the email
account(s) in question POP or IMAP? Depending on the answers to those
two questions, very different things can happen when you delete a
message.

Regardless of any of the above though, a Time Machine backup of his
computer would have allowed him to undo that "empty trash" action and
get them all back. So if he hasn't already, I highly recommend he set up
Time Machine backups for his computer (sorry if you've already mentioned
whether he has a Time Machine backup).

>> was to go to Mail.app's 
>>View menu and select "Hide Mailboxes".  If that is what happened to your 
>>friend's mailbox, you can go to the View menu and select "Show 
>>Mailboxes".
>
> Somehow, even though it shouldn't since he says he sees a few emails in
> the inbox,  this sounds like a possibility.    I'll check.  He didn't
> Monday night, and it was just as well since I slept from 3 in the
> afternoon to 10 PM, I don't know why, since I slept Sunday night too. 
>
> Thanks. 
>
>>Fred
>
> **(He's kicking himself the past few days that he didn't make more
> mailboxes, so that much less would have been lost.  BTW, I've been
> urging him to make mailboxes and I'm the one who talked him into getting
> SuperDuper. But he's older than I am and I can't tell him what to do.
> well I couldnt' even if he were younger. ) 

Time Machine would have saved his butt on this one. That's what you
should convince him to do, IMO.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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