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  Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-06 13:12 -0500
    Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-06 13:29 -0500
    Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-03-06 18:46 +0000
      Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com> - 2014-03-06 18:49 +0000
        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-08 10:29 -0500
      Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-06 13:56 -0500
        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-03-06 20:26 +0000
          Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-08 10:03 -0500
            Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-08 15:16 +0000
            Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-03-08 18:02 +0000
        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-03-07 09:02 +1100
          Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-08 10:21 -0500
            Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2014-03-09 10:46 +0100
              Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-09 18:06 -0400
                Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-09 22:44 +0000
                  Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-09 20:19 -0400
                    Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-10 00:35 +0000
                      Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-09 22:13 -0400
                        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-10 15:18 +0000
                          Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-10 14:19 -0400
                            Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-10 18:52 +0000
                            Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-03-11 02:10 +0000
                              Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-11 02:00 -0400
                        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-03-11 10:57 +1100
                          Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-11 01:59 -0400
                            Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-03-11 22:36 +1100
                              Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-11 12:26 +0000
                                Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2014-03-12 07:09 +1100
                            Google Groups (was Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2014-03-11 17:08 +0000
                      Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2014-03-10 17:18 -0400
              Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-09 18:10 -0400
        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. philo  <philo@privacy.net> - 2014-03-07 16:03 -0600
          Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-09 18:03 -0400
    Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2014-03-06 19:03 +0000
      Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-08 10:19 -0500
        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2014-03-08 15:52 +0000
    Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2014-03-06 22:32 +0000
    Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Fred McKenzie <fmmck@aol.com> - 2014-03-08 22:49 -0500
      Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> - 2014-03-11 02:13 -0400
        Re: Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2014-03-11 16:38 +0000

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#21356 — Inbox deleted accidentally How to restore.

I'm trying to help a friend who deleted his mail by acciident from the
standard Mac email program.  I know PCs but not Macs. so the language
I'm forced to use is PC-style

What is the Mac Mail program called? 

What is the Mac Recycle Bin called?

Can't he just open the the "recycle bin", find the inbox file for the
email  (What is the inbox called?)  and do something that will put the
deleted file back where it came from? 

Does the "recycle bin" show file size or file date?  Those would be
useful for determining which file it is, because he last updated the
file today or yesterday, and it's a big file.    Or does it give the
fully-qualified name, which would be??

Thanks from me and him. 

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#21357

On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 13:12:28 -0500, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

>I'm trying to help a friend who deleted his mail by acciident from the
>standard Mac email program.  I know PCs but not Macs. so the language
>I'm forced to use is PC-style
>
>What is the Mac Mail program called? 
>
>What is the Mac Recycle Bin called?

I asked this on the assumption that the files had gone to the recycle
bin.  

Now I'm not sure where they went. 

Assume all his mail is in the Trash.  What should he do to get them back
in the inbox?    

Can he move them all back at one time? 

Right now he's on the phone and he's trying to put one onto the desktop,
but maybe he can go straight to the inbox?

Thanks.  
>
>Can't he just open the the "recycle bin", find the inbox file for the
>email  (What is the inbox called?)  and do something that will put the
>deleted file back where it came from? 
>
>Does the "recycle bin" show file size or file date?  Those would be
>useful for determining which file it is, because he last updated the
>file today or yesterday, and it's a big file.    Or does it give the
>fully-qualified name, which would be??
>
>Thanks from me and him. 

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#21358

In article <oaehh91gccmmnjlhcpp1egg2i82vueo5v1@4ax.com>,
micky  <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>I'm trying to help a friend who deleted his mail by acciident from the
>standard Mac email program.  I know PCs but not Macs. so the language
>I'm forced to use is PC-style

Do you know what steps he used to delete the mail? Did he accidentally
select all his messages and then click on the Delete icon in Mail?


>What is the Mac Mail program called? 

Mail.

>What is the Mac Recycle Bin called?

Trash. But Mail has its own Trash can; it's located in the Mailboxes
section of the lefthand navigation bar in Mail. Has he tried looking
in their for his missing mail? If it's there, he can just select all
the messages and drag them back into his Inbox.


Patty

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#21359

On 2014-03-06, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
> In article <oaehh91gccmmnjlhcpp1egg2i82vueo5v1@4ax.com>,
> micky  <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>I'm trying to help a friend who deleted his mail by acciident from the
>>standard Mac email program.  I know PCs but not Macs. so the language
>>I'm forced to use is PC-style
>
> Do you know what steps he used to delete the mail? Did he accidentally
> select all his messages and then click on the Delete icon in Mail?
>
>
>>What is the Mac Mail program called?
>
> Mail.
>
>>What is the Mac Recycle Bin called?
>
> Trash. But Mail has its own Trash can; it's located in the Mailboxes
> section of the lefthand navigation bar in Mail. Has he tried looking
> in their for his missing mail? If it's there, he can just select all
> the messages and drag them back into his Inbox.

He doesn't have to drag them; he can select "Move to" from the message menu.

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#21376

On 6 Mar 2014 18:49:18 GMT, Tom Stiller <clusterfux.upmon@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>>>What is the Mac Recycle Bin called?
>>
>> Trash. But Mail has its own Trash can; it's located in the Mailboxes
>> section of the lefthand navigation bar in Mail. Has he tried looking
>> in their for his missing mail? If it's there, he can just select all
>> the messages and drag them back into his Inbox.
>
>He doesn't have to drag them; he can select "Move to" from the message menu.

Thanks. 

I posted here mainly to ask everyone to please read my next thread too,
2 posts about SuperDuper schedules, before writing an answer to posts in
this thread. 


Maybe I should have put them in this thread but they made sense on their
own. 

Thanks for all your help, everyone. 

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#21360

On 06 Mar 2014 18:46:08 GMT, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

>
>In article <oaehh91gccmmnjlhcpp1egg2i82vueo5v1@4ax.com>,
>micky  <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>I'm trying to help a friend who deleted his mail by acciident from the
>>standard Mac email program.  I know PCs but not Macs. so the language
>>I'm forced to use is PC-style
>
>Do you know what steps he used to delete the mail? Did he accidentally
>select all his messages and then click on the Delete icon in Mail?

It seems he didn't put the mail in the trash mailbox.  

He dragged them to the Trash icon.    He says they are unrecoverable
from there.    (Are there settings he could change so this wouldn't be
true in the future? ) 
>
>>What is the Mac Mail program called? 
>
>Mail.
>
>>What is the Mac Recycle Bin called?
>
>Trash. But Mail has its own Trash can; it's located in the Mailboxes
>section of the lefthand navigation bar in Mail. Has he tried looking
>in their for his missing mail? If it's there, he can just select all
>the messages and drag them back into his Inbox.

Yes, he looked in the trash mailbox.     It was empty. 

    -----

Alternatively, he has SuperDuper, but he either could't find the
external drive to look in it with Find, or he found it but couldn't find
the Mail program or the Inbox.   Is there some trick to that?  

Thanks again. 
>
>
>Patty

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#21362

In article <spghh9hfoljcobhe3e7v9iund4mmcdrqt4@4ax.com>,
micky  <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>It seems he didn't put the mail in the trash mailbox.  
>
>He dragged them to the Trash icon.    He says they are unrecoverable
>from there.    (Are there settings he could change so this wouldn't be
>true in the future? ) 

Which Trash icon did he drag them to? The one in Mail or the one on
the Mac desktop? Actually, at least in my version of Mail and the 
Mac OS, it doesn't matter; they end up in the Mail Trash. They should
be recoverable from there unless he chose Erase Deleted Items from
the Mailbox menu, in which case we've moved from accidental to
intentional deletion of his messages. What steps has he tried to
recover the messages from the Trash?

Does he have Time Machine running?


Patty

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#21371

On 06 Mar 2014 20:26:46 GMT, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

>
>In article <spghh9hfoljcobhe3e7v9iund4mmcdrqt4@4ax.com>,
>micky  <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>>It seems he didn't put the mail in the trash mailbox.  
>>
>>He dragged them to the Trash icon.    He says they are unrecoverable
>>from there.    (Are there settings he could change so this wouldn't be
>>true in the future? ) 
>
>Which Trash icon did he drag them to? The one in Mail or the one on

He was trying to drag a large number of emails to the one in Mail, but
it complained that he was deleting too many at the same time, and then,
without his intentionally doing anything, all of a sudden those emails
and even many many more of them  went to the Trash "on the dock", the
one from which there is no recovery.  

>the Mac desktop? Actually, at least in my version of Mail and the 
>Mac OS, it doesn't matter; they end up in the Mail Trash. They should

He only has mac os v10.4, I think it is.   Does that work the same way? 

>be recoverable from there unless he chose Erase Deleted Items from
>the Mailbox menu, 

He says he didn't do that or anything more than I've said. . 

>in which case we've moved from accidental to
>intentional deletion of his messages. What steps has he tried to
>recover the messages from the Trash?
>
>Does he have Time Machine running?

Sorry, I forgot to ask.   I will as soon as I talk to him. 
>
>Patty

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#21372

In article <12cmh9lj4nlkd6lmbpm338aria4nndaljb@4ax.com>, micky
<NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> He was trying to drag a large number of emails to the one in Mail, but
> it complained that he was deleting too many at the same time, and then,
> without his intentionally doing anything, all of a sudden those emails
> and even many many more of them  went to the Trash "on the dock", the
> one from which there is no recovery.

Stuff in the Trash on the Dock stays there unless you empty it.

-- 
"People don't buy Microsoft for quality, they buy it for compatibility
with what Bob in accounting bought last year. Trace it back - they buy
Microsoft because the IBM Selectric didn't suck much" - P Seebach, afc

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#21380

In article <12cmh9lj4nlkd6lmbpm338aria4nndaljb@4ax.com>,
micky  <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>On 06 Mar 2014 20:26:46 GMT, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
>>Which Trash icon did he drag them to? The one in Mail or the one on
>
>He was trying to drag a large number of emails to the one in Mail, but
>it complained that he was deleting too many at the same time, and then,
>without his intentionally doing anything, all of a sudden those emails
>and even many many more of them  went to the Trash "on the dock", the
>one from which there is no recovery.  

"Trash" on a Mac is a holding area. You can absolutely recover files
from there until you empty the Trash.

I just tried Mail on a 10.4 Mac, and when I deleted a message, it
went into Mail's own Trash. I then selected Erase Deleted Messages,
and as the warning said, the message completely disappeared; it did
not go into the Mac Trash. Same behavior when I tried dragging a
message from Mail Trash to Mac Trash; it just went away. 

So I don't know how your friend got his email into Mac Trash, but
if it's there, tell him to drag the mail file out of the Trash and
onto the Mac Desktop *immediately*. Then someone here can help you
figure out where it needs to go to restore the Mail. I think it
goes somewhere in ~/Library/Mail, but I'm not sure exactly which
file you're dealing with, and you'll need to protect the mail that
has come in to his mailbox since this file was moved out, so you
can't just replace the current file.


Patty

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#21363

In article <spghh9hfoljcobhe3e7v9iund4mmcdrqt4@4ax.com>,
 micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> Alternatively, he has SuperDuper, but he either could't find the
> external drive to look in it with Find, or he found it but couldn't find
> the Mail program or the Inbox.   Is there some trick to that?  


They might well be there. One thing to verify this, if the external 
drive is a bootable backup (as SuperDuper can do), start the machine 
up from the external and fire up the Mail.app program. Simplest way:

* Shut the machine down. 

* Start it up but hold the Option key down

* Choose the external drive

* Turn off the internet connection (so nothing comes in to confuse the 
situation)

* Fire up Mail.app


Most of the stuff for Mail.app - on my Mac X OS at least - is stored 
in the user library under Mail and Mail Downloads folders.

-- 
dorayme

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#21374

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 09:02:29 +1100, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
wrote:

>In article <spghh9hfoljcobhe3e7v9iund4mmcdrqt4@4ax.com>,
> micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>> Alternatively, he has SuperDuper, but he either could't find the
>> external drive to look in it with Find, or he found it but couldn't find
>> the Mail program or the Inbox.   Is there some trick to that?  
>
>
>They might well be there. One thing to verify this, if the external 

Before we could do what you suggest, we made progress with Finder.  

In the left hand column were many entries, but one was I think MacDrive
or HardDrive or something and 5 lines down was MacBackup.  

I started with the first one, (and maybe I clicked on Appications) and
then on Mail, and maybe one more click and then it displayed the icon
for the mail program and some statistics about it.  Then I clicked on
See More and it gave the size and location.    The location was the main
hard drive. 

Then I did the same thigns for MacBackup and when I clicked on See More,
the size was the same, about 1.something Megabytes and the location was
clearly given as MacBackup, something I missed two yearss ago when we
were installing superDuper.  


Then I started again with the two drives and clicked on LIbrary, then
Applications or Mail (I forget) then something else, and finally it came
down to 3 files, 2 of which were labeled 4K, and another that was also
small.    This too was the same for both drives. 


He had also suggested reading the backup from another computer, and
since his friend with a Mac moved away, he suggested his PC netbook, so
he downloaded Catacombae, and installed it and plugged the external
drive into the netbook, and the format looked a little more like Windows
format, but we never found more email.  The biggest file was 1 meg or so
and he is missing maybe thousands of emails. 


>drive is a bootable backup (as SuperDuper can do), start the machine 
>up from the external and fire up the Mail.app program. Simplest way:
>
>* Shut the machine down. 
>
>* Start it up but hold the Option key down
>
>* Choose the external drive
>
>* Turn off the internet connection (so nothing comes in to confuse the 
>situation)
>
>* Fire up Mail.app
>
>
>Most of the stuff for Mail.app - on my Mac X OS at least - is stored 
>in the user library under Mail and Mail Downloads folders.

In my today's reply to Patty, you'll see that using Finder I looked
under Library and then under Mail and there were only 3 files there, all
quite small, 4K for two of them.  I should have said that that alone is
strange since he still has some email in in his inbox, and more arrived
Thursday and Friday. 

Did you create "mail downloads", or should he have that too.  I didn't
see it.   He had intended to create more mailboxes but hadn't gotten
around to it. 

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#21401

Salut Micky

me thinks you are checking the wrong Library:

Macintosh HD/Library/Mail/ does not contain any user data
Check
Macintosh HD/Users/MyName/Library/Mail/
instead

Cheers
Andreas

In article <hbcmh99ki5dd96bg5vcv3oemgep4jgaf2e@4ax.com>,
 micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 09:02:29 +1100, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
> wrote:
> 
> >In article <spghh9hfoljcobhe3e7v9iund4mmcdrqt4@4ax.com>,
> > micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Alternatively, he has SuperDuper, but he either could't find the
> >> external drive to look in it with Find, or he found it but couldn't find
> >> the Mail program or the Inbox.   Is there some trick to that?  
> >
> >
> >They might well be there. One thing to verify this, if the external 
> 
> Before we could do what you suggest, we made progress with Finder.  
> 
> In the left hand column were many entries, but one was I think MacDrive
> or HardDrive or something and 5 lines down was MacBackup.  
> 
> I started with the first one, (and maybe I clicked on Appications) and
> then on Mail, and maybe one more click and then it displayed the icon
> for the mail program and some statistics about it.  Then I clicked on
> See More and it gave the size and location.    The location was the main
> hard drive. 
> 
> Then I did the same thigns for MacBackup and when I clicked on See More,
> the size was the same, about 1.something Megabytes and the location was
> clearly given as MacBackup, something I missed two yearss ago when we
> were installing superDuper.  
> 
> 
> Then I started again with the two drives and clicked on LIbrary, then
> Applications or Mail (I forget) then something else, and finally it came
> down to 3 files, 2 of which were labeled 4K, and another that was also
> small.    This too was the same for both drives. 
> 
> 
> He had also suggested reading the backup from another computer, and
> since his friend with a Mac moved away, he suggested his PC netbook, so
> he downloaded Catacombae, and installed it and plugged the external
> drive into the netbook, and the format looked a little more like Windows
> format, but we never found more email.  The biggest file was 1 meg or so
> and he is missing maybe thousands of emails. 
> 
> 
> >drive is a bootable backup (as SuperDuper can do), start the machine 
> >up from the external and fire up the Mail.app program. Simplest way:
> >
> >* Shut the machine down. 
> >
> >* Start it up but hold the Option key down
> >
> >* Choose the external drive
> >
> >* Turn off the internet connection (so nothing comes in to confuse the 
> >situation)
> >
> >* Fire up Mail.app
> >
> >
> >Most of the stuff for Mail.app - on my Mac X OS at least - is stored 
> >in the user library under Mail and Mail Downloads folders.
> 
> In my today's reply to Patty, you'll see that using Finder I looked
> under Library and then under Mail and there were only 3 files there, all
> quite small, 4K for two of them.  I should have said that that alone is
> strange since he still has some email in in his inbox, and more arrived
> Thursday and Friday. 
> 
> Did you create "mail downloads", or should he have that too.  I didn't
> see it.   He had intended to create more mailboxes but hadn't gotten
> around to it.

-- 
MacAndreas Rutishauser, <http://www.MacAndreas.ch> 
EDV-Dienstleistungen, Hard- und Software, Internet und Netzwerk
Beratung, Unterstuetzung und Schulung
<mailto:andreas@MacAndreas.ch>, Fon: 044 / 721 36 47

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#21421

On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 10:46:09 +0100, Andreas Rutishauser
<andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:

>Salut Micky
>
>me thinks you are checking the wrong Library:
>
>Macintosh HD/Library/Mail/ does not contain any user data
>Check
>Macintosh HD/Users/MyName/Library/Mail/
>instead
>=
That sounds very likely.    I don't remember seeing 'hisname' biut otoh,
I don't even know what his name is there. 

I'm sending him a copy of this and my previous post in this thread. 


>Cheers
>Andreas
>
>In article <hbcmh99ki5dd96bg5vcv3oemgep4jgaf2e@4ax.com>,
> micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 09:02:29 +1100, dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >In article <spghh9hfoljcobhe3e7v9iund4mmcdrqt4@4ax.com>,
>> > micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Alternatively, he has SuperDuper, but he either could't find the
>> >> external drive to look in it with Find, or he found it but couldn't find
>> >> the Mail program or the Inbox.   Is there some trick to that?  
>> >
>> >
>> >They might well be there. One thing to verify this, if the external 
>> 
>> Before we could do what you suggest, we made progress with Finder.  
>> 
>> In the left hand column were many entries, but one was I think MacDrive
>> or HardDrive or something and 5 lines down was MacBackup.  
>> 
>> I started with the first one, (and maybe I clicked on Appications) and
>> then on Mail, and maybe one more click and then it displayed the icon
>> for the mail program and some statistics about it.  Then I clicked on
>> See More and it gave the size and location.    The location was the main
>> hard drive. 
>> 
>> Then I did the same thigns for MacBackup and when I clicked on See More,
>> the size was the same, about 1.something Megabytes and the location was
>> clearly given as MacBackup, something I missed two yearss ago when we
>> were installing superDuper.  
>> 
>> 
>> Then I started again with the two drives and clicked on LIbrary, then
>> Applications or Mail (I forget) then something else, and finally it came
>> down to 3 files, 2 of which were labeled 4K, and another that was also
>> small.    This too was the same for both drives. 
>> 
>> 
>> He had also suggested reading the backup from another computer, and
>> since his friend with a Mac moved away, he suggested his PC netbook, so
>> he downloaded Catacombae, and installed it and plugged the external
>> drive into the netbook, and the format looked a little more like Windows
>> format, but we never found more email.  The biggest file was 1 meg or so
>> and he is missing maybe thousands of emails. 
>> 
>> 
>> >drive is a bootable backup (as SuperDuper can do), start the machine 
>> >up from the external and fire up the Mail.app program. Simplest way:
>> >
>> >* Shut the machine down. 
>> >
>> >* Start it up but hold the Option key down
>> >
>> >* Choose the external drive
>> >
>> >* Turn off the internet connection (so nothing comes in to confuse the 
>> >situation)
>> >
>> >* Fire up Mail.app
>> >
>> >
>> >Most of the stuff for Mail.app - on my Mac X OS at least - is stored 
>> >in the user library under Mail and Mail Downloads folders.
>> 
>> In my today's reply to Patty, you'll see that using Finder I looked
>> under Library and then under Mail and there were only 3 files there, all
>> quite small, 4K for two of them.  I should have said that that alone is
>> strange since he still has some email in in his inbox, and more arrived
>> Thursday and Friday. 
>> 
>> Did you create "mail downloads", or should he have that too.  I didn't
>> see it.   He had intended to create more mailboxes but hadn't gotten
>> around to it.

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#21426

On 2014-03-09, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>
> I'm sending him a copy of this and my previous post in this thread. 

Any reason he can't come here and discuss the problem with us directly?
That might be much more productive and efficient.

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#21441

On 9 Mar 2014 22:44:31 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>On 2014-03-09, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sending him a copy of this and my previous post in this thread. 
>
>Any reason he can't come here and discuss the problem with us directly?
>That might be much more productive and efficient.

Maybe. 

What do you all use for reading news with a Mac?       Is it included
with 10.4?  

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#21444

On 2014-03-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On 9 Mar 2014 22:44:31 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2014-03-09, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm sending him a copy of this and my previous post in this thread. 
>>
>>Any reason he can't come here and discuss the problem with us directly?
>>That might be much more productive and efficient.
>
> Maybe. 
>
> What do you all use for reading news with a Mac?       Is it included
> with 10.4?  

There are various options (MacSoup, MT-NewsWatcher, Thunderbird, slrn,
and so on); but probably the easiest (but by far not the best in most
any way) is to just use http://groups.google.com to view and post to the
comp.sys.mac.apps news group. All that is required for that is a web
browser. 

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#21446

On 10 Mar 2014 00:35:47 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>On 2014-03-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On 9 Mar 2014 22:44:31 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2014-03-09, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm sending him a copy of this and my previous post in this thread. 
>>>
>>>Any reason he can't come here and discuss the problem with us directly?
>>>That might be much more productive and efficient.
>>
>> Maybe. 
>>
>> What do you all use for reading news with a Mac?       Is it included
>> with 10.4?  
>
>There are various options (MacSoup, MT-NewsWatcher, Thunderbird, slrn,

Thunderbird is free.  Are any of the others free? 

>and so on); but probably the easiest (but by far not the best in most
>any way) is to just use http://groups.google.com to view and post to the
>comp.sys.mac.apps news group. All that is required for that is a web
>browser. 

If there are other choices, I refuse to refer him to groups.google.
I've been trying to figure out how we could get up a posse and get
everyone else out of there.    

Thanks. 

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#21456

On 2014-03-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On 10 Mar 2014 00:35:47 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2014-03-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>> On 9 Mar 2014 22:44:31 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2014-03-09, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sending him a copy of this and my previous post in this thread. 
>>>>
>>>>Any reason he can't come here and discuss the problem with us directly?
>>>>That might be much more productive and efficient.
>>>
>>> Maybe. 
>>>
>>> What do you all use for reading news with a Mac?       Is it included
>>> with 10.4?  
>>
>>There are various options (MacSoup, MT-NewsWatcher, Thunderbird, slrn,
>
> Thunderbird is free.  Are any of the others free? 

slrn is free (open source), but requires lots of setup and knowledge of
command-line environments. So it's not for beginners, by any means.

>>and so on); but probably the easiest (but by far not the best in most
>>any way) is to just use http://groups.google.com to view and post to the
>>comp.sys.mac.apps news group. All that is required for that is a web
>>browser. 
>
> If there are other choices, I refuse to refer him to groups.google.
> I've been trying to figure out how we could get up a posse and get
> everyone else out of there.    

Well I did say it'd be the easiest. : )

Thunderbird is probably your best bet then.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#21462

On 10 Mar 2014 15:18:28 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

>On 2014-03-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>> On 10 Mar 2014 00:35:47 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2014-03-10, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>> On 9 Mar 2014 22:44:31 GMT, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 2014-03-09, micky <NONONOmisc07@bigfoot.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sending him a copy of this and my previous post in this thread. 
>>>>>
>>>>>Any reason he can't come here and discuss the problem with us directly?
>>>>>That might be much more productive and efficient.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe. 
>>>>
>>>> What do you all use for reading news with a Mac?       Is it included
>>>> with 10.4?  
>>>
>>>There are various options (MacSoup, MT-NewsWatcher, Thunderbird, slrn,
>>
>> Thunderbird is free.  Are any of the others free? 
>
>slrn is free (open source), but requires lots of setup and knowledge of
>command-line environments. So it's not for beginners, by any means.
>
>>>and so on); but probably the easiest (but by far not the best in most
>>>any way) is to just use http://groups.google.com to view and post to the
>>>comp.sys.mac.apps news group. All that is required for that is a web
>>>browser. 
>>
>> If there are other choices, I refuse to refer him to groups.google.
>> I've been trying to figure out how we could get up a posse and get
>> everyone else out of there.    
>
>Well I did say it'd be the easiest. : )

Yes, you did.    And you said it was by far not the best in most any
way. 

>Thunderbird is probably your best bet then.

I'll tell him.  Right now.  Blip!

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