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| Started by | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| First post | 2013-10-26 17:02 -0500 |
| Last post | 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 144 — 29 participants |
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Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2013-10-26 17:02 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 20:21 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> - 2013-10-27 08:08 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-27 10:10 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-27 14:16 +1300
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-26 21:23 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-27 02:37 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-26 23:09 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-27 09:31 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 11:00 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-27 10:30 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when sync(hroniz)ing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-27 12:21 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 10:20 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-28 18:15 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 12:31 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 18:38 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-29 12:16 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 18:22 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-28 15:57 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 20:56 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 23:57 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 00:47 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 02:02 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 21:38 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-29 19:38 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 00:50 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 22:21 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-30 09:09 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 09:05 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "857" <8571953@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 06:59 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 11:13 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-29 12:59 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 09:07 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 11:00 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 16:22 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 14:53 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-30 14:56 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2013-10-30 21:01 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-11-02 06:53 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:28 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-11-02 06:53 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 09:28 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-31 09:17 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 15:01 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-31 13:35 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:28 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-31 15:36 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 01:46 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-01 22:20 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> - 2013-11-02 08:26 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-02 15:06 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2013-11-02 13:42 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 05:37 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 06:24 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 19:32 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 14:37 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 04:48 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-01 22:45 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 14:37 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:12 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:32 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-05 09:13 +1300
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-05 11:19 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 18:18 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-11-02 22:49 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:23 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 16:08 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 11:00 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 06:28 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 16:42 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 08:53 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 17:29 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 09:41 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 08:33 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 15:58 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 12:30 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:23 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:13 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:24 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 16:32 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 11:22 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 02:41 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 20:51 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:42 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-30 21:55 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 20:53 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:43 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-30 22:05 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 21:00 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-31 10:01 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-31 07:39 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:48 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-06 17:21 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 19:58 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-07 09:32 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-07 22:03 -0700
Re: (OT) Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-11-08 10:48 -0500
Re: (OT) Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-08 21:34 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-09 10:06 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-09 20:01 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-09 22:36 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-09 21:26 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-11 09:58 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2013-11-10 09:49 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:38 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 16:41 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:08 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 08:28 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:44 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 17:52 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:28 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 15:54 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 12:28 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 23:08 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:15 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:11 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:22 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 10:22 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 16:52 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:42 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:17 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 09:24 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:38 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 09:53 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 08:34 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:53 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-05 05:21 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-05 12:58 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 05:25 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-06 12:41 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 04:53 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-10-27 19:34 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-28 17:07 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 14:53 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <301020131453006842%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #19037 |
Davoud: > > No, that is not a majority. And those who think that they can put > > anything on a remote server and expect privacy are delusional. You want > > privacy, get off the Internet. Michael Eyd: > How to do that if Apple (e.g.) forces one to use cloud services? > Difficult, isn't it? Apple doesn't force anyone to use cloud services. Some billions of people in the world do not use cloud services. As to how to get off the Internet, it's easy. Turn off the router, turn off the WiFi, cancel your account with your ISP. Dump the smartphone and the tablet. Resign yourself to no more e-mail, no more software updates, no more software purchases--they all involve putting information about yourself on remote servers. Stop using Adobe Creative Cloud. > > The talk of setting up one's own cloud is terribly amusing, a lovely > > childrens fantasy. Anyone who can set up a remote server that is more > > secure than the best that industry can offer could hire themselves out > > for a great deal of money. > Not necessarily, it depends on the threats you want to secure your own > cloud against. If you want to secure it against e.g. FBI security > letters, you might fairly easy succeed (simply by sailing under their > radar - as long as you are not the target of an investigation). You keep missing the point that you are already far under the radar of the FBI and other police and security services. Only paranoia could persuade you otherwise. > You want > to secure your server against using your data for commercial purposes? > Should be fairly easy... Really? Because Google, Microsoft, Adobe, and a host of others have failed to secure the data they store. You /cannot/ use the Internet without exposing yourself to certain risks. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 14:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <301020131456472543%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #19057 |
In article <301020131453006842%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > Apple doesn't force anyone to use cloud services. they do when they remove usb syncing. what other choice do people have?
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| From | Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 21:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4rs2p$nvn$2@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #19058 |
On 30/10/2013 18:56, nospam wrote: > In article <301020131453006842%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> > wrote: > >> Apple doesn't force anyone to use cloud services. > > they do when they remove usb syncing. what other choice do people have? Just use one device for storing your contacts and calendars, be that an iPhone or a good old-fashioned diary. Or none at all. You might not *like* those choices, but they're certainly choices. -- Xbox: GallusNumpty Steam: scottishwildcat
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| From | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| Date | 2013-11-02 06:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <DfWdnYGeNYxSnujPnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #19074 |
On 10/30/2013 2:01 PM PT, Calum typed:
>>> Apple doesn't force anyone to use cloud services.
>>
>> they do when they remove usb syncing. what other choice do people have?
>
> Just use one device for storing your contacts and calendars, be that an
> iPhone or a good old-fashioned diary. Or none at all.
>
> You might not *like* those choices, but they're certainly choices.
Or switch to another device that can do USB syncing?
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 10:28 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bddj14F86rtU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #19058 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote > Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote >> Apple doesn't force anyone to use cloud services. > they do when they remove usb syncing. > what other choice do people have? Some other local communication system other than usb.
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| From | Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4u8n2$7n4$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19058 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <301020131453006842%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> > wrote: > >> Apple doesn't force anyone to use cloud services. > > they do when they remove usb syncing. what other choice do people have? Join me in not "up"grading? -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
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| From | Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> |
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| Date | 2013-11-02 06:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <DfWdnYCeNYxvnujPnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #19136 |
On 10/31/2013 11:49 AM PT, Erilar typed:
>>> Apple doesn't force anyone to use cloud services.
>>
>> they do when they remove usb syncing. what other choice do people have?
>
> Join me in not "up"grading?
Ditto, but for how long until we're forced to upgrade due to newer
phones, computers, etc.? :(
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| From | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 09:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l4t4br$rr2$1@news.sap-ag.de> |
| In reply to | #19057 |
Am 30.10.2013 19:53, schrieb Davoud: > Davoud: >>> No, that is not a majority. And those who think that they can put >>> anything on a remote server and expect privacy are delusional. You want >>> privacy, get off the Internet. > > Michael Eyd: >> How to do that if Apple (e.g.) forces one to use cloud services? >> Difficult, isn't it? > > Apple doesn't force anyone to use cloud services. Some billions of > people in the world do not use cloud services. As to how to get off the > Internet, it's easy. Turn off the router, turn off the WiFi, cancel > your account with your ISP. Dump the smartphone and the tablet. Resign > yourself to no more e-mail, no more software updates, no more software > purchases--they all involve putting information about yourself on > remote servers. Stop using Adobe Creative Cloud. You missed the 'easiest' way: Shoot yourself... :-/ Seriously, you completely miss my point: Until now there were better possibilities to keep my data private, and Apple deliberately changed that. Provided that I don't invest considerable effort (and possibly money) into setting up my own alternative solution. Everything you are listing is a completely different story, and you know that. >>> The talk of setting up one's own cloud is terribly amusing, a lovely >>> childrens fantasy. Anyone who can set up a remote server that is more >>> secure than the best that industry can offer could hire themselves out >>> for a great deal of money. > >> Not necessarily, it depends on the threats you want to secure your own >> cloud against. If you want to secure it against e.g. FBI security >> letters, you might fairly easy succeed (simply by sailing under their >> radar - as long as you are not the target of an investigation). > > You keep missing the point that you are already far under the radar of > the FBI and other police and security services. Only paranoia could > persuade you otherwise. It was your unspecific remark that I dissected somewhat. >> You want >> to secure your server against using your data for commercial purposes? >> Should be fairly easy... > > Really? Because Google, Microsoft, Adobe, and a host of others have > failed to secure the data they store. You /cannot/ use the Internet > without exposing yourself to certain risks. You really don't understand my point, do you? Apparently for you data is data, if some of one's data is available on the internet, why bother with all data being there. Well, if that's the way you see, be my guest. I don't share this opinion - and nothing you could ever say/write/... will change that. I continue to believe in data privacy by default (yes, I know, not a very popular point of view in the US, esp. not with the major internet/cloud providers), and in the fact that *I* choose what to put on the internet/cloud/... Best regards, Michael
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 09:17 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <311020130917346578%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #19117 |
Michael Eyd: > >> How to do that if Apple (e.g.) forces one to use cloud services? > >> Difficult, isn't it? Davoud: > > Apple doesn't force anyone to use cloud services. Some billions of > > people in the world do not use cloud services. As to how to get off the > > Internet, it's easy. Turn off the router, turn off the WiFi, cancel > > your account with your ISP. Dump the smartphone and the tablet. Resign > > yourself to no more e-mail, no more software updates, no more software > > purchases--they all involve putting information about yourself on > > remote servers. Stop using Adobe Creative Cloud. Michael Eyd: > You missed the 'easiest' way: Shoot yourself... :-/ There is no easiest. Getting off the Internet /only/ way to reduce the amount of personal information you put on a remote server. Michael Eyd: > Seriously, you completely miss my point: Until now there were better > possibilities to keep my data private, and Apple deliberately changed > that. Provided that I don't invest considerable effort (and possibly > money) into setting up my own alternative solution. Everything you are > listing is a completely different story, and you know that. Yes, I do not entirely understand what you said in the previous paragraph. My point is not that you should push your data into the so-called "cloud." I say so-called because I like plain language, and "cloud" sounds magical. I prefer to remember that this is a vulnerable hard drive on a remote server (remote server, for short). My point is that your private data is already there and there's nothing you can do about it. Apple is just a tiny part of it; they're just one of a dozen or more entities that know where I live, what kind of music I buy (and full details of the credit card with which I buy it), my annual income (advertisers need this information in order to target me), some of my medical history, etc. In fact, it doesn't matter if you don't have an Internet connection; your bank account is on-line. You say you don't use on-line banking? Doesn't matter. Your account is on an Internet-connected computer, and you can't have your bank move it to a stand-alone, unconnected computer. Anyone in the world can go to a web page hosted by the State of Maryland and find where I live, a description of my house and property (370 sq. meters, .81 hectares), and the tax value of my house. Adobe has recently advised me that I am one of 39 million people whose personal data, including my credit-card data, were stolen from its servers. Also stolen: the source code for Photoshop, Acrobat, and other Adobe products. I cannot use Creative Cloud without allowing Adobe to store my credit card and other identifying data. I assume that Google has either sold or inadvertently leaked my G-mail account information; I get plenty of junk mail via my Google account, but none from my iCloud or Verizon accounts. And so that's the way it is. I'm not arguing that it's good or that one should be anxious to participate, only that, even without an Internet connection, without a computer, information about you is out there. "You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it." --Scott McNealy, 1999. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 15:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l4tns6$iau$1@news.sap-ag.de> |
| In reply to | #19120 |
Am 31.10.2013 14:17, schrieb Davoud: > Michael Eyd: >>>> How to do that if Apple (e.g.) forces one to use cloud services? >>>> Difficult, isn't it? > > Davoud: >>> Apple doesn't force anyone to use cloud services. Some billions of >>> people in the world do not use cloud services. As to how to get off the >>> Internet, it's easy. Turn off the router, turn off the WiFi, cancel >>> your account with your ISP. Dump the smartphone and the tablet. Resign >>> yourself to no more e-mail, no more software updates, no more software >>> purchases--they all involve putting information about yourself on >>> remote servers. Stop using Adobe Creative Cloud. > > Michael Eyd: >> You missed the 'easiest' way: Shoot yourself... :-/ > > There is no easiest. Getting off the Internet /only/ way to reduce the > amount of personal information you put on a remote server. The world is not black/white alone, there are (were) possibilities to control how much information is stored on the net about oneself. Certainly not all is controllable, but so far I am/was able to keep at least some amount of control. With more and more services moving from local services into the cloud, this possibility vanishes more and more. If you like that, be my guest. I don't. > Michael Eyd: >> Seriously, you completely miss my point: Until now there were better >> possibilities to keep my data private, and Apple deliberately changed >> that. Provided that I don't invest considerable effort (and possibly >> money) into setting up my own alternative solution. Everything you are >> listing is a completely different story, and you know that. > > Yes, I do not entirely understand what you said in the previous > paragraph. > > My point is not that you should push your data into the so-called > "cloud." I say so-called because I like plain language, and "cloud" > sounds magical. I prefer to remember that this is a vulnerable hard > drive on a remote server (remote server, for short). Exactly. > My point is that your private data is already there and there's nothing > you can do about it. And this point of your's is wrong - at least as far as I'm concerned (might be different for you): *Some* of my data is already in the cloud (though hardly at a single provider, at least not one I asked to collect it), no doubt. But there is other information that I deliberately chose not to put on the cloud or on any server in the internet. But if my only chance of syncing and backing up my iDevices would be through iCloud, this information would go to servers beyond my control - and I certainly don't like that idea. > Apple is just a tiny part of it; they're just one > of a dozen or more entities that know where I live, what kind of music > I buy (and full details of the credit card with which I buy it), my > annual income (advertisers need this information in order to target > me), some of my medical history, etc. In fact, it doesn't matter if you > don't have an Internet connection; your bank account is on-line. You > say you don't use on-line banking? Doesn't matter. Your account is on > an Internet-connected computer, and you can't have your bank move it to > a stand-alone, unconnected computer. Anyone in the world can go to a > web page hosted by the State of Maryland and find where I live, a > description of my house and property (370 sq. meters, .81 hectares), > and the tax value of my house. Adobe has recently advised me that I am > one of 39 million people whose personal data, including my credit-card > data, were stolen from its servers. Also stolen: the source code for > Photoshop, Acrobat, and other Adobe products. I cannot use Creative > Cloud without allowing Adobe to store my credit card and other > identifying data. What's your point? That I leave traces whenever I'm online? No doubt. That that means all the information about me can be found online? Certainly not! I'm just not ready (yet?) to give in to the hype of 'everything online'. For me data privacy still holds a lot of value, and I do (try to) choose the services I use rather deliberately, looking (amongst other things) as well on how they treat my data, resp. trying to leave as little data whereever possible. > I assume that Google has either sold or inadvertently leaked my G-mail > account information; I get plenty of junk mail via my Google account, > but none from my iCloud or Verizon accounts. > > And so that's the way it is. I'm not arguing that it's good or that one > should be anxious to participate, only that, even without an Internet > connection, without a computer, information about you is out there. > > "You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it." --Scott McNealy, 1999. That's as stupid a statement as one can find. My opinion. Would he want to live in a house with glass walls, being targeted 24/7 by cameras so that everybody (who cared) could trace his every move? I bet he wouldn't... Best regards, Michael
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 13:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <311020131335322039%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #19123 |
Davoud, quoting: > > "You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it." --Scott McNealy, 1999. Michael Eyd: > That's as stupid a statement as one can find. My opinion. Would he want > to live in a house with glass walls, being targeted 24/7 by cameras so > that everybody (who cared) could trace his every move? I bet he wouldn't... "Britain has a CCTV camera for every 11 people, a security industry report disclosed..." "EU delegation says it will review allegations that Europe spy services helped with NSA spying" "...public outcry here recently when it discovered that German state investigators were using spying software capable of turning a computer¹s webcam and microphone into a sophisticated surveillance device." "As It Denounces U.S. Spying, Europe Delays Privacy Protection at Home" (NYT, Oct. 29, 2013) ***** You are so naïve! There is a parallel universe to the one that you can see, and it's a product of Realpolitik in the 21st century. It's worth remembering how we got to our state of widespread collection of telephone metadata (thank goodness for digital telephony!). The planners of the 9/11/2001 attacks against the United States worked for several years in Western Europe to plan these attacks. They used telephones, e-mail, and other forms of electronic communication without being detected. U.S. allies in Western Europe and elsewhere decided that they did not want to host such a planning session again. Thus they instituted a program of electronic surveillance and a parallel program of assisting the U.S. with its SIGINT collection. Such cooperation in this parallel universe is not new; it's only public awareness that has changed. It's no more complicated than that. Persons who think that the average citizen of the EU is under electronic surveillance by their own or an allied government have been grossly misled, or they are paranoid. A number of European countries have arrested and dealt with known or suspected terror suspects in the past 10 years or so. You cannot find a single instance in which your garden-variety European has had her life disrupted by this collection program. No disappearances, no raids on housewives, no report that Frau Müller's little office affair with Herr Weber has been revealed by the BfV. As for collection of leadership-level communications, having a spy in the leader's circle is as old as history, a time-honored tradiiton, business as usual. "...documents at the National Archives in London show how Winston Churchill was sent a report on a 1940 private phone call between President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Secretary of State Cordell Hull, and Joe Kennedy, the U.S. ambassador to London, during which they discussed options 'if Europe is overrun' by Nazi Germany." OK, enough time wasted. Got to update Contacts and Calendar, which will immediately go into the iCloud and propagate to my other Apple devices. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| Date | 2013-11-04 17:28 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l58hv3$d05$1@news.sap-ag.de> |
| In reply to | #19129 |
Am 31.10.2013 18:35, schrieb Davoud: > Davoud, quoting: >>> "You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it." --Scott McNealy, 1999. > > Michael Eyd: >> That's as stupid a statement as one can find. My opinion. Would he want >> to live in a house with glass walls, being targeted 24/7 by cameras so >> that everybody (who cared) could trace his every move? I bet he wouldn't... > > "Britain has a CCTV camera for every 11 people, a security industry > report disclosed..." They don't target the insides of homes. > "EU delegation says it will review allegations that Europe spy services > helped with NSA spying" And I they will. Whatever the effect may be (there I'm not so optimistic...) > "...public outcry here recently when it discovered that German state > investigators were using spying software capable of turning a > computer¹s webcam and microphone into a sophisticated surveillance > device." There was at least an outcry - and it had some effect (if one can at least somewhat trust the reports in the media). > "As It Denounces U.S. Spying, Europe Delays Privacy Protection at Home" > (NYT, Oct. 29, 2013) Europe is working on it - and we are already today much better concerning data privacy than the US law will (most probably) be in the next 20 years. > You are so naïve! Oh, am I? Well, if you think so. Perhaps you should rather look into a mirror to see somebody naïve... > There is a parallel universe to the one that you can > see, and it's a product of Realpolitik in the 21st century. It's worth > remembering how we got to our state of widespread collection of > telephone metadata (thank goodness for digital telephony!). The > planners of the 9/11/2001 attacks against the United States worked for > several years in Western Europe to plan these attacks. They used > telephones, e-mail, and other forms of electronic communication without > being detected. U.S. allies in Western Europe and elsewhere decided > that they did not want to host such a planning session again. Thus they > instituted a program of electronic surveillance and a parallel program > of assisting the U.S. with its SIGINT collection. Oh, and just because these programs exist mean that there is no alternative? Means that it was correct to install them in the first place? Means that they have to stay forever, that people cannot learn that mistakes were made, and that they have to be corrected? > Such cooperation in > this parallel universe is not new; it's only public awareness that has > changed. It's no more complicated than that. Nice description of the status-quo. And, what are your conclusions? Everything's fine, just continue? > Persons who think that the > average citizen of the EU is under electronic surveillance by their own > or an allied government have been grossly misled, or they are paranoid. Or you are naïve... Sounds much more realistic to me... > A number of European countries have arrested and dealt with known or > suspected terror suspects in the past 10 years or so. You cannot find a > single instance in which your garden-variety European has had her life > disrupted by this collection program.No disappearances, Wrong. There were such cases, like Khaled Al-Masri. Never heard of? You might want to check <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri>. > no raids on > housewives, no report that Frau Müller's little office affair with Herr > Weber has been revealed by the BfV. And what is that supposed to prove? That 'interested parties' don't have that information? Or that they (as of today) didn't bother to use it? And if so, where is the guarantee that they might not decide differently tomorrow, e.g. because Mrs. Mueller is organizing rallies against American attacks in Pakistan and Afghanistan, or because Mr. Weber is starting to climb the ranks in some German party, voicing opinions the 'interested parties' don't like? Or ...? But I see, your motto is 'If you've nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear'. > As for collection of leadership-level communications, having a spy in > the leader's circle is as old as history, a time-honored tradiiton, > business as usual. Oh, and that makes it right? Stealing is certainly older, slavery is older, murder is older. Are they therefore right? > "...documents at the National Archives in London show how Winston > Churchill was sent a report on a 1940 private phone call between > President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Secretary of State Cordell Hull, and > Joe Kennedy, the U.S. ambassador to London, during which they discussed > options 'if Europe is overrun' by Nazi Germany." > > OK, enough time wasted. Got to update Contacts and Calendar, which will > immediately go into the iCloud and propagate to my other Apple devices. Be my guest. Best regards, Michael
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| From | Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4u8n0$7n4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19123 |
Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote: > > : *Some* of my data is already in the cloud (though hardly at a single > provider, at least not one I asked to collect it), no doubt. But there is > other information that I deliberately chose not to put on the cloud or on > any server in the internet. But if my only chance of syncing and backing > up my iDevices would be through iCloud, this information would go to > servers beyond my control - and I certainly don't like that idea. > I agree. If I can't back up/sync privately, I'll have to delete some of the data I don't choose to have out there. > > > -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 15:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <311020131536088986%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #19134 |
In article <l4u8n0$7n4$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote: > > : *Some* of my data is already in the cloud (though hardly at a single > > provider, at least not one I asked to collect it), no doubt. But there is > > other information that I deliberately chose not to put on the cloud or on > > any server in the internet. But if my only chance of syncing and backing > > up my iDevices would be through iCloud, this information would go to > > servers beyond my control - and I certainly don't like that idea. > > > I agree. If I can't back up/sync privately, I'll have to delete some of > the data I don't choose to have out there. you can sync some stuff privately, just not all.
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| From | Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> |
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| Date | 2013-11-02 01:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l51lhv$216$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19140 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <l4u8n0$7n4$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar > <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote: > >>>> *Some* of my data is already in the cloud (though hardly at a single >>> provider, at least not one I asked to collect it), no doubt. But there is >>> other information that I deliberately chose not to put on the cloud or on >>> any server in the internet. But if my only chance of syncing and backing >>> up my iDevices would be through iCloud, this information would go to >>> servers beyond my control - and I certainly don't like that idea. >>> >> I agree. If I can't back up/sync privately, I'll have to delete some of >> the data I don't choose to have out there. > > you can sync some stuff privately, just not all. Since when is there anything really private about the cloud? -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2013-11-01 22:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <011120132220348049%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #19193 |
Erilar: > Since when is there anything really private about the cloud? Dunno. Are remote servers ipso facto insecure, or controlled by persons who are bound to plunder your data? -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> |
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| Date | 2013-11-02 08:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <021120130826099652%baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> |
| In reply to | #19194 |
In article <011120132220348049%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > Erilar: > > Since when is there anything really private about the cloud? > > Dunno. Are remote servers ipso facto insecure, or controlled by persons > who are bound to plunder your data? http://tinyurl.com/jwzxh77 http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-li nks-to-yahoo-google-data-centers-worldwide-snowden-documents-say/2013/10 /30/e51d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html http://tinyurl.com/mv7bker http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57610342-83/apple-google-microsoft-unit e-against-nsa-spying-program/
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2013-11-02 15:06 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <021120131506441068%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #19196 |
Erilar: > > > Since when is there anything really private about the cloud? Davoud: > > Dunno. Are remote servers ipso facto insecure, or controlled by persons > > who are bound to plunder your data? Beli: > http://oldnewsaboutnsa-blah-blah That's OK, NSA isn't a problem, because they aren't targeting me or reading my communications. It's ironic that Google should be up in arms about NSA. It was Google that trespassed on my private street to photograph my house, and that attempted to break into my wireless networks at the same time. If I /had/ to trust Google or NSA I would choose NSA because I know what their motives are, and they don't involve me. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-02 13:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <ros9799cvlj55v9c4hqsn3001lv7d96mnn@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #19194 |
Davoud writes: > Dunno. Are remote servers ipso facto insecure, or controlled by persons > who are bound to plunder your data? They are not controlled by you, which means that they are not private.
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 05:37 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bdkv4hFoud6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #19197 |
Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote > Davoud wrote >> Dunno. Are remote servers ipso facto insecure, or controlled >> by persons who are bound to plunder your data? > They are not controlled by you, They can be. > which means that they are not private. They are if what they see has been encrypted before they see it.
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