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  slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 19:37 +0000
    Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Mike Dee <mikedee@emteedee.invalid> - 2013-10-23 22:59 +0000
      Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-26 23:14 +0000
        Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-27 14:05 +1300
          Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-27 18:02 +1100
            Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-27 21:09 +1300
              Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-27 19:33 +1100
            Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-27 09:12 +0000
              Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 00:57 +1300
                Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-27 13:39 +0000
                Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 20:28 +0000
                  Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
            Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 20:13 +0000
              Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-28 10:35 +1100
            Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-27 20:37 +0000
      Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 19:37 +0000
        Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2013-10-27 23:16 +0000
          Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:10 +0000
    Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-24 03:12 +0000
      Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-24 05:32 +0000
        Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-24 06:51 +0000
    Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-24 18:15 +0000
    Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-26 23:07 +0000
      Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-27 02:41 +0000
        Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 20:07 +0000
          Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-27 20:35 +0000
            Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 21:24 +0000
    Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 19:32 +0000
      Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-27 22:00 +0000

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#18717 — slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher

Right, so Thunderbird is a crap application and Unison is pretty but rudimentary. So back to slrn and the good old days! So, for you out there that use this client, let me ask you some questions so I can get back on track. More questions will probably come.

I've started the score file, and I wanted to group scores, is this correct:

  [*]
  Score: 200
	{::
	 	References: @irc\.sandman\.net>$
		References: <mr([^ ]*)@([^ ]*)individual.net>$
	}

I.e. that's a scoring for people replying to my posts, and looking at the docs, the double colon means that only one of the items need to match. I was unable to make it work it seems, or maybe I'm doing something wrong there.

What (command line) editor do you use? Do you use one that is "post-aware". My editor of choice, pico, doesn't know what a usenet post is and can't colorize the text in any meaningful way. But others may.

How do you navigate the references of a post? Say I'm in a discussion and need to go back in time before the loaded article set, using references was a grrat way to do it in MT-NewsWatcher. Can it be done legantly in slrn?

That's it for now, I'll add more questions as they pop up :)


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#18726

Sandman wrote:

> Right, so Thunderbird is a crap application and Unison is pretty
> but rudimentary. So back to slrn and the good old days! So, for
> you out there that use this client, let me ask you some questions
> so I can get back on track. More questions will probably come. 
> 
> I've started the score file, and I wanted to group scores, is this
> correct: 
> 
>   [*]
>   Score: 200
>      {::
>            References: @irc\.sandman\.net>$
>           References: <mr([^ ]*)@([^ ]*)individual.net>$
>      }
> 
> I.e. that's a scoring for people replying to my posts, and looking
> at the docs, the double colon means that only one of the items
> need to match. I was unable to make it work it seems, or maybe I'm
> doing something wrong there. 
> 
> What (command line) editor do you use? Do you use one that is
> "post-aware". My editor of choice, pico, doesn't know what a
> usenet post is and can't colorize the text in any meaningful way.
> But others may. 
> 
> How do you navigate the references of a post? Say I'm in a
> discussion and need to go back in time before the loaded article
> set, using references was a grrat way to do it in MT-NewsWatcher.
> Can it be done legantly in slrn? 
> 
> That's it for now, I'll add more questions as they pop up :)

I really think that this thread belongs in news.software.readers and 
not in here. In news.software.readers you'll find the (very helpfull) 
slrn mafia hanging out...

slrn nested scoring syntax is a doddle for them. ;-)

But before you tweak your scoring you should find out how to set 
wordwrap to a set 72 - 76 or so characters :-P

(cross-posted & followup set to news.software.readers)

-- 
dee

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#18803

On 2013-10-23, Mike Dee <mikedee@emteedee.invalid> wrote:
> I really think that this thread belongs in news.software.readers and 
> not in here. In news.software.readers you'll find the (very helpfull) 
> slrn mafia hanging out...
>
> slrn nested scoring syntax is a doddle for them. ;-)
>
> But before you tweak your scoring you should find out how to set 
> wordwrap to a set 72 - 76 or so characters :-P
>
> (cross-posted & followup set to news.software.readers)

I can't see a reason this shouldn't be posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,
considering that one of the most popular Mac Usenet applications no
longer runs on the latest Mac OS X, version 10.9, causing a lot of Mac
users to consider slrn as an alternative.

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to see your posts.

JR

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#18806

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2013-10-23, Mike Dee <mikedee@emteedee.invalid> wrote:
> > I really think that this thread belongs in news.software.readers and
> > not in here. In news.software.readers you'll find the (very helpfull)
> > slrn mafia hanging out...
> >
> > slrn nested scoring syntax is a doddle for them. ;-)
> >
> > But before you tweak your scoring you should find out how to set 
> > wordwrap to a set 72 - 76 or so characters :-P
> >
> > (cross-posted & followup set to news.software.readers)
> 
> I can't see a reason this shouldn't be posted to comp.sys.mac.apps,
> considering that one of the most popular Mac Usenet applications no
> longer runs on the latest Mac OS X, version 10.9, causing a lot of Mac
> users to consider slrn as an alternative.

Agreed.

Also it may be worth pointing out there were a couple decent GUI
X-Windows Usenet clients I briefly tried out back in OS X 10.3.x days
using Fink to install them. Granted I didn't try them for long (I was
only curious, and far preferred MacSOUP for a GUI client). I couldn't
even recall their names at this point :-D But I do recall decent if very
unattractive GUIs, and all the important newsreader features being
present.

All that said, I still prefer tin <http://www.tin.org/> (if I can't run
MacSOUP), and enjoy seeing it's User-Agent header around the place :-)
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#18812

In article <1lbek23.ipy34j1do12dN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> I still prefer tin <http://www.tin.org/>

Looking at the screenshots in your link, black backgrounded text! Any 
way to change that?

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dorayme

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#18813

dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> In article <1lbek23.ipy34j1do12dN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
>  jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> 
> > I still prefer tin <http://www.tin.org/>
> 
> Looking at the screenshots in your link, black backgrounded text! Any
> way to change that?

tin is a command line app, so the black background you see in the
screenshots is that terminal application's own setting - in the case of
those screenshots - xterm. In your case most likely OS X's Terminal.app.

In most terminal apps, including OS X's, you can set look and feel to a
wide degree - including but not limited to: window background colour,
font, font size, and font colours (though a command line app can have
it's own font colour settings) depending on whether the text is normal,
italic, bold, etc.

Take a look in OS X's Terminal.app's Preferences in the Settings tab to
see what I mean.

Regards,
 Jamie Kahn Genet
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#18814

In article <1lbf3b6.1dhyzlv1sexbkhN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> > In article <1lbek23.ipy34j1do12dN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
> >  jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> > 
> > > I still prefer tin <http://www.tin.org/>
> > 
> > Looking at the screenshots in your link, black backgrounded text! Any
> > way to change that?
> 
> tin is a command line app, so the black background you see in the
> screenshots is that terminal application's own setting - in the case of
> those screenshots - xterm. In your case most likely OS X's Terminal.app.
> 
> In most terminal apps, including OS X's, you can set look and feel to a
> wide degree - including but not limited to: window background colour,
> font, font size, and font colours (though a command line app can have
> it's own font colour settings) depending on whether the text is normal,
> italic, bold, etc.
> 
> Take a look in OS X's Terminal.app's Preferences in the Settings tab to
> see what I mean.
> 

Thanks Jamie, I just might do this if I go up from Snow Leopard. It 
feels like a tsunami, all this OS changing, I am perfectly happy with 
SL, but I guess I will be swept up! <g>

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dorayme

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#18815

In article <dorayme-2A3BAD.18024127102013@news.albasani.net>, dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> > I still prefer tin <http://www.tin.org/>
> 
>  Looking at the screenshots in your link, black backgrounded text! Any 
>  way to change that?

Hehe, that's the way I prefer it too:


<https://www.dropbox.com/s/bfvywo6l0odj47z/Screenshot%202013-10-27%2010.11.58.png>



-- 
Sandman[.net]

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#18816

Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> In article <dorayme-2A3BAD.18024127102013@news.albasani.net>, dorayme
> <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> > > I still prefer tin <http://www.tin.org/>
> > 
> >  Looking at the screenshots in your link, black backgrounded text! Any
> >  way to change that?
> 
> Hehe, that's the way I prefer it too:
> 
> 
> <https://www.dropbox.com/s/bfvywo6l0odj47z/Screenshot%202013-10-27%2010.11
> .58.png>

I've always liked a black terminal background too. It just feels more...
terminal-ish, heh. Especially with green text which reminds me of using
the Apple II back in my early school years.

Funny - normally black text on white is easiest for me to read (that was
after all part of the revelation of the original Mac in 1984 - finally
we got crisp black WYSIWYG text on white for the very first time on a
screen - for me anyway), but I can't stand a terminal window setup with
black text on white - it feels harder to read in that situation.

Is it the smaller size of the text I prefer in a terminal window? The
fixed width font? Both of the aforementioned in concert? Nostalgia
overriding good sense? Or is there really something about coloured text
on black that helps me read and focus when using a terminal app? *shrug*

I'm pretty sure my brain works in some weird ways... :-)
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#18818

In article <1lbfe24.6mw49f1yo94gyN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:

>  I've always liked a black terminal background too. It just feels more...
>  terminal-ish, heh. Especially with green text which reminds me of using
>  the Apple II back in my early school years.
> 
>  Funny - normally black text on white is easiest for me to read (that was
>  after all part of the revelation of the original Mac in 1984 - finally
>  we got crisp black WYSIWYG text on white for the very first time on a
>  screen - for me anyway), but I can't stand a terminal window setup with
>  black text on white - it feels harder to read in that situation.
> 
>  Is it the smaller size of the text I prefer in a terminal window? The
>  fixed width font? Both of the aforementioned in concert? Nostalgia
>  overriding good sense? Or is there really something about coloured text
>  on black that helps me read and focus when using a terminal app? *shrug*
> 
>  I'm pretty sure my brain works in some weird ways... :-)

If so, mine does too. When using a GUI usenet client, I had it set to 
black-on-white, but as soon as I moved to slrn, it was white on black... 
Funny that!

-- 
Sandman[.net]

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#18838

On 2013-10-27, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
>
> I've always liked a black terminal background too. It just feels more...
> terminal-ish, heh. Especially with green text which reminds me of using
> the Apple II back in my early school years.
>
> Funny - normally black text on white is easiest for me to read (that was
> after all part of the revelation of the original Mac in 1984 - finally
> we got crisp black WYSIWYG text on white for the very first time on a
> screen - for me anyway), but I can't stand a terminal window setup with
> black text on white - it feels harder to read in that situation.

I prefer a light yellow background with black (or colored) text. This is
how I have slrn configured at the moment:

<http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/slrn/colors.png>

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JR

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#18850

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2013-10-27, Jamie Kahn Genet <jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> wrote:
> >
> > I've always liked a black terminal background too. It just feels more...
> > terminal-ish, heh. Especially with green text which reminds me of using
> > the Apple II back in my early school years.
> >
> > Funny - normally black text on white is easiest for me to read (that was
> > after all part of the revelation of the original Mac in 1984 - finally
> > we got crisp black WYSIWYG text on white for the very first time on a
> > screen - for me anyway), but I can't stand a terminal window setup with
> > black text on white - it feels harder to read in that situation.
> 
> I prefer a light yellow background with black (or colored) text. This is
> how I have slrn configured at the moment:
> 
> <http://jollyroger.kicks-ass.org/slrn/colors.png>

Yeah that's more pleasing to me than black text on a stark white
background :-)
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#18837

On 2013-10-27, dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> In article <1lbek23.ipy34j1do12dN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
>  jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
>
>> I still prefer tin <http://www.tin.org/>
>
> Looking at the screenshots in your link, black backgrounded text! Any 
> way to change that?

slrn lets you change the color theme to anything you want through the
"color" configuration commands documented here:

<http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/slrn-manual-5.html#ss5.3>

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#18860

In article <bd5aemFfemdU2@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2013-10-27, dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > In article <1lbek23.ipy34j1do12dN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
> >  jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> >
> >> I still prefer tin <http://www.tin.org/>
> >
> > Looking at the screenshots in your link, black backgrounded text! Any 
> > way to change that?
> 
> slrn lets you change the color theme to anything you want through the
> "color" configuration commands documented here:
> 
> <http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/slrn-manual-5.html#ss5.3>

Thank you. I will keep this link.

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dorayme

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#18841

In message <dorayme-2A3BAD.18024127102013@news.albasani.net> 
  dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> In article <1lbek23.ipy34j1do12dN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
>  jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

>> I still prefer tin <http://www.tin.org/>

> Looking at the screenshots in your link, black backgrounded text! Any 
> way to change that?

Yes, but why would anyone want to change that?

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#18830

On 2013-10-23, Mike Dee <mikedee@emteedee.invalid> wrote:
> you should find out how to set wordwrap to a set 72 - 76 or so
> characters :-P

Easy enough to do with vim. Just add this to your .slrnrc configuration
file:

set editor_command "vim -c 'set textwidth=72' +%d '%s'"

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#18864

On 2013-10-27, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2013-10-23, Mike Dee <mikedee@emteedee.invalid> wrote:
>> you should find out how to set wordwrap to a set 72 - 76 or so
>> characters :-P
>
> Easy enough to do with vim. Just add this to your .slrnrc configuration
> file:
>
> set editor_command "vim -c 'set textwidth=72' +%d '%s'"

or even 

v+
set editor_command "vim %s"
set mail_editor_command "vim -c 'set filetype=mail' +8 %s"
set post_editor_command "vim -c 'set filetype=mail' +8 %s"
v-

and set the textwidth in your ~.vimrc

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#18871

In message <slrnl6r7n0.bhj.catwheezel@ID-107770.user.individual.net> 
  Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> wrote:
> On 2013-10-27, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-10-23, Mike Dee <mikedee@emteedee.invalid> wrote:
>>> you should find out how to set wordwrap to a set 72 - 76 or so
>>> characters :-P
>>
>> Easy enough to do with vim. Just add this to your .slrnrc configuration
>> file:
>>
>> set editor_command "vim -c 'set textwidth=72' +%d '%s'"

> or even 

> v+
> set editor_command "vim %s"
> set mail_editor_command "vim -c 'set filetype=mail' +8 %s"
> set post_editor_command "vim -c 'set filetype=mail' +8 %s"
> v-

Huh. Never seen the filetype=mail before.

That looks promising.

> and set the textwidth in your ~.vimrc

Well, textwidth globally for vim is a bad idea if you use it for
coding or editing, really. I'd rather no screw up main.cf, for
example.


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#18737

In message <slrnl6g9m7.3dc.mr@irc.sandman.net> 
  Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> Right, so Thunderbird is a crap application and Unison is pretty but rudimentary. So back to slrn and the good old days! So, for you out there that use this client, let me ask you some questions so I can get back on track. More questions will probably come.

> I've started the score file, and I wanted to group scores, is this correct:

>   [*]
>   Score: 200
> 	{::
> 	 	References: @irc\.sandman\.net>$
> 		References: <mr([^ ]*)@([^ ]*)individual.net>$
> 	}

> I.e. that's a scoring for people replying to my posts, and looking at the docs, the double colon means that only one of the items need to match. I was unable to make it work it seems, or maybe I'm doing something wrong there.

I think :: is or and : is and.

> What (command line) editor do you use? Do you use one that is "post-aware". My editor of choice, pico, doesn't know what a usenet post is and can't colorize the text in any meaningful way. But others may.

Vim.

> How do you navigate the references of a post? Say I'm in a discussion and need to go back in time before the loaded article set, using references was a grrat way to do it in MT-NewsWatcher. Can it be done legantly in slrn?

You can rebuild the entire thread using ESC 1, ESP P




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#18749

In article <slrnl6h40o.r6q.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> > I've started the score file, and I wanted to group scores, is this correct:
> 
> >   [*]
> >   Score: 200
> > 	{::
> > 	 	References: @irc\.sandman\.net>$
> > 		References: <mr([^ ]*)@([^ ]*)individual.net>$
> > 	}
> 
> > I.e. that's a scoring for people replying to my posts, and looking at 
> > the docs, the double colon means that only one of the items need to 
> > match. I was unable to make it work it seems, or maybe I'm doing 
> > something wrong there.
> 
>  I think :: is or and : is and.

Exactly, but it didn't seem to work.
 
> > What (command line) editor do you use? Do you use one that is 
> > "post-aware". My editor of choice, pico, doesn't know what a usenet 
> > post is and can't colorize the text in any meaningful way. But others 
> > may.
> 
>  Vim.

So, uh, does it colorize quotes? NEver been much of a vi/vim fan... Maybe 
I'll need to revisit that.
 
> > How do you navigate the references of a post? Say I'm in a discussion 
> > and need to go back in time before the loaded article set, using 
> > references was a grrat way to do it in MT-NewsWatcher. Can it be done 
> > legantly in slrn?
> 
>  You can rebuild the entire thread using ESC 1, ESP P

Hmmm, ok, fair enough... Might take some time on large threads... I was 
more looking for a way to traverse the references, but this loads even more 
info, so perhaps this is better.


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