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Newsreaders

Started byMichelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org>
First post2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
Last post2013-11-05 20:31 +0100
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  Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
    Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 11:56 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 13:01 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 12:36 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 14:41 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 19:58 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 15:05 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 20:42 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-28 10:23 +1100
    Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 19:57 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 20:03 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 22:11 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2013-10-27 23:31 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2013-10-27 19:46 -0500
              Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-01 16:55 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:21 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> - 2013-10-28 03:05 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 05:05 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 12:32 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 12:48 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 13:45 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 15:19 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:26 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 16:17 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:19 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 22:48 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 07:44 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 23:19 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:00 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 07:47 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 09:03 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 09:42 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 20:47 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 04:56 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 21:43 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-01 16:48 +0100
                      Re: Newsreaders Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-11-02 11:14 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 20:11 +0100
        Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 14:45 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 19:24 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-27 23:42 +0000
        Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 20:09 -0400
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0500
          Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 00:16 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:11 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 13:54 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 09:01 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:51 -0700
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:09 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 20:04 +0100
                    Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 20:02 +0100
                  Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 14:44 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300
                  Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 12:56 -0700
                  Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-30 20:18 +0000
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:24 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 05:25 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-31 17:18 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-31 17:57 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 18:22 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders Jesse <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2013-10-31 14:48 -0500
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:26 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:44 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:26 +0000
          Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:04 -0500
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 02:11 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 22:01 -0500
                Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:40 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:26 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:17 -0500
                  Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:16 -0500
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 13:39 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:43 -0500
    Re: Newsreaders Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-27 20:30 -0500
      Re: Newsreaders AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 11:02 -0400
    Re: Newsreaders Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 00:48 -0400
      Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:39 +0100
    Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:21 +0000
      Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:31 -0700
        Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 08:57 -0700
          Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:25 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:22 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 13:29 +1300
              Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 01:43 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:04 +0000
                  Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 18:25 +1300
                    Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 01:33 -0400
                    Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:37 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 19:25 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 07:25 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 04:07 -0400
                            Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 09:00 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:24 +1300
                                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:33 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:26 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:32 +0100
                          Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 12:00 -0700
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 19:43 +0000
                          Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 21:53 -0400
                    Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 21:35 +0000
                      Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 16:28 -0700
                        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 13:33 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 21:43 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:39 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                              Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 09:31 +1300
                            Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300
                        Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 19:36 +1300
                          Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:42 +0000
                            Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:23 +0100
                              Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                        Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
              Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:29 +1300
          Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 16:44 -0400
            Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:22 +0000
            Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 13:15 +1300
    Re: Newsreaders "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-10-29 10:10 +0100
      Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-29 08:36 -0500
        Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:25 +1300
      Re: Newsreaders spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 20:31 +0100

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#18886

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-10-28 12:32 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6smaf.tjm.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#18885
In message <slrnl6rs46.14l.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de> 
  Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 03:05:42 +0000 (UTC), Bob Harris wrote:
>>  However, I think slrn really only suited for someone that enjoys the
>>  command line, as there is no mouse/trackpad action.  Everything id done via
>>  the keyboard, and text editors.  

> That depends. The terminal in MacOS seems somehow broken. On Linux
> xterms I did use mouse actions quite often.

What sort of mouse actions?

The Terminal in OS X is very good (and I've use many over the years).

> I'm still on 10.6 - but I guess that was never fixed?

No idea, since you posted a vague accusation instead of any specific
issue.

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#18887

FromMartin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net>
Date2013-10-28 12:48 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6sn96.2c1.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>
In reply to#18886
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 12:32:16 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
>  In message <slrnl6rs46.14l.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de> 
>    Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 03:05:42 +0000 (UTC), Bob Harris wrote:
> >>  However, I think slrn really only suited for someone that enjoys the
> >>  command line, as there is no mouse/trackpad action.  Everything id done via
> >>  the keyboard, and text editors.  
> 
> > That depends. The terminal in MacOS seems somehow broken. On Linux
> > xterms I did use mouse actions quite often.
> 
>  What sort of mouse actions?

I installed a plugin which does support cursor placement within vim,
scrolling, selection etc. But this does work form vim only, not for
slrn.

>  The Terminal in OS X is very good (and I've use many over the years).
> 
> > I'm still on 10.6 - but I guess that was never fixed?
> 
>  No idea, since you posted a vague accusation instead of any specific
>  issue.

within the xterm I could use the mouse for placement, copy,paste,
selection, visual block marking etc. Most of this now is possible via 
http://www.culater.net/dl/files/SIMBL-0.9.9.zip and
https://bitheap.org/mouseterm/MouseTerm-1.0b1.dmg

Within slrn I could not only select groups and articles, but scroll and
select menu items from the top menu. I don't remember what else could be
done with mouse support in slrn.

- Martin

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#18894

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-10-28 13:45 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6sqjq.tjm.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#18887
In message <slrnl6sn96.2c1.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de> 
  Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 12:32:16 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
>>  In message <slrnl6rs46.14l.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de> 
>>    Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 03:05:42 +0000 (UTC), Bob Harris wrote:
>> >>  However, I think slrn really only suited for someone that enjoys the
>> >>  command line, as there is no mouse/trackpad action.  Everything id done via
>> >>  the keyboard, and text editors.  
>> 
>> > That depends. The terminal in MacOS seems somehow broken. On Linux
>> > xterms I did use mouse actions quite often.
>> 
>>  What sort of mouse actions?

> I installed a plugin which does support cursor placement within vim,
> scrolling, selection etc. But this does work form vim only, not for
> slrn.

What would you use that for in slrn? The only 'cursor' position is the
current article position.

>>  The Terminal in OS X is very good (and I've use many over the years).
>> 
>> > I'm still on 10.6 - but I guess that was never fixed?
>> 
>>  No idea, since you posted a vague accusation instead of any specific
>>  issue.

> within the xterm I could use the mouse for placement, copy,paste,
> selection, visual block marking etc. Most of this now is possible via 
> http://www.culater.net/dl/files/SIMBL-0.9.9.zip and
> https://bitheap.org/mouseterm/MouseTerm-1.0b1.dmg

You can use the mouse for placement within the current command line,
and for copy & paste. You can also use the select/3rd button to select
and paste text.

> Within slrn I could not only select groups and articles, but scroll and
> select menu items from the top menu. I don't remember what else could be
> done with mouse support in slrn.

Yeah, terminal.app does not do that sort of mouse integration. I
actually prefer that myself, which is why I use it. In fact, I don't
even use the mouse in Gvim.

However, I think several other terminal emulators do. iTerm, perhaps.

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#18902

FromMartin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net>
Date2013-10-28 15:19 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6t04r.2c1.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>
In reply to#18894
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:45:30 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
> >>  What sort of mouse actions?
> 
> > I installed a plugin which does support cursor placement within vim,
> > scrolling, selection etc. But this does work form vim only, not for
> > slrn.
> 
>  What would you use that for in slrn? The only 'cursor' position is the
>  current article position.

With the mouse I could select a newsgroup from a list of newsgroups.

You can do that within slrn?

> > within the xterm I could use the mouse for placement, copy,paste,
> > selection, visual block marking etc. Most of this now is possible via 
> > http://www.culater.net/dl/files/SIMBL-0.9.9.zip and
> > https://bitheap.org/mouseterm/MouseTerm-1.0b1.dmg
> 
>  You can use the mouse for placement within the current command line,

Which command line to you refer to?

Within the shell's command line I can't place the cursor within the
command line. However, I can do this within a vim command line. But I'm
not aware of a command line within slrn. Which one is there?

>  and for copy & paste. 

copy/paste within slrn? I don't know where to use this one either.
I can in vim, I can't within the shell.

>  You can also use the select/3rd button to select
>  and paste text.

Yes, that's what I always could do: select a text. But I can't copy with
the mouse. I can drag and drop within the command line, but not to any
position, but to the current cursor position only.

So all of that is different to what I could do within a linux xterm,
both for slrn and for the shell. Please explain, what you mean by
"Current Command Line".

> > Within slrn I could not only select groups and articles, but scroll and
> > select menu items from the top menu. I don't remember what else could be
> > done with mouse support in slrn.
> 
>  Yeah, terminal.app does not do that sort of mouse integration. 

Exactly - and I feel that's why I can't do it within the terminal,
running slrn. However, I was surprised that this can be bypassed for vim
within the terminal, and maybe it just depends on ncurses, slang or
whatever lib is used - and there are many things where the mouse would
come in very handy.

>  However, I think several other terminal emulators do. iTerm, perhaps.

Yes, iTerm does, a little bit. Last time I checked it did not work for
everything I had before.

I don't need the mouse very often within slrn or vim, but there are some
things which can be done better with mouse support.

- Martin

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#18905

FromSandman <mr@sandman.net>
Date2013-10-28 15:26 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6t0sh.acv.mr@irc.sandman.net>
In reply to#18902
In article <slrnl6t04r.2c1.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

> >  What would you use that for in slrn? The only 'cursor' position is the
> >  current article position.
> 
>  With the mouse I could select a newsgroup from a list of newsgroups.
>
>  You can do that within slrn?

Yep.

> >  You can use the mouse for placement within the current command line,
> 
>  Which command line to you refer to?

The shell command line, presumably.

>  Within the shell's command line I can't place the cursor within the
>  command line.

In the OSX Terminal app, you can.

>  However, I can do this within a vim command line.

Same functionality.

> >  and for copy & paste. 
> 
>  copy/paste within slrn? I don't know where to use this one either.
>  I can in vim, I can't within the shell.

You can in the Terminal app in OSX.



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#18911

FromMartin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net>
Date2013-10-28 16:17 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6t3gr.2c1.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>
In reply to#18905
On 28 Oct 2013 15:26:27 GMT, Sandman wrote:
> >  You can do that within slrn?
> 
>  Yep.

not here - 10.6 Terminal.app 2.1.2
> 
> > >  You can use the mouse for placement within the current command line,
> > 
> >  Which command line to you refer to?
> 
>  The shell command line, presumably.

not here, s.a.

> >  Within the shell's command line I can't place the cursor within the
> >  command line.
> 
>  In the OSX Terminal app, you can.

not here, s.a.

> >  copy/paste within slrn? I don't know where to use this one either.
> >  I can in vim, I can't within the shell.
> 
>  You can in the Terminal app in OSX.

no, not here, s.a.

- Martin

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#18929

FromSandman <mr@sandman.net>
Date2013-10-28 21:19 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6tliv.b0i.mr@irc.sandman.net>
In reply to#18911
In article <slrnl6t3gr.2c1.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

> > >  You can do that within slrn?
> > 
> >  Yep.
> 
>  not here - 10.6 Terminal.app 2.1.2

set mouse 1
or slrn -m

> > > >  You can use the mouse for placement within the current command line,
> > > 
> > >  Which command line to you refer to?
> > 
> >  The shell command line, presumably.
> 
>  not here, s.a.

But here, and in any OSX install since 10.1 at least. 

> > >  Within the shell's command line I can't place the cursor within the
> > >  command line.
> > 
> >  In the OSX Terminal app, you can.
> 
>  not here, s.a.

But in the OSX Terminal app.
 
> > >  copy/paste within slrn? I don't know where to use this one either.
> > >  I can in vim, I can't within the shell.
> > 
> >  You can in the Terminal app in OSX.
> 
>  no, not here, s.a.

But you can in the Terminal app in OSX. 


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#18934

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-10-28 22:48 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6tqdb.14f7.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#18929
In message <slrnl6tliv.b0i.mr@irc.sandman.net> 
  Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article <slrnl6t3gr.2c1.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

>> > >  You can do that within slrn?
>> > 
>> >  Yep.
>> 
>>  not here - 10.6 Terminal.app 2.1.2

> set mouse 1
> or slrn -m

Interesting. If I launch slrn -m I get the menu bar, but I don't see
how to access the menus. Clicking with the mouse doesn't do anything
and option clicking causes a lot of beeping (put that will move the
cursor in the list of groups).

>> > > >  You can use the mouse for placement within the current command line,
>> > > 
>> > >  Which command line to you refer to?
>> > 
>> >  The shell command line, presumably.
>> 
>>  not here, s.a.

> But here, and in any OSX install since 10.1 at least. 

I seem to recall you had to enable option-click in the prefs at one
point, but I don't know how long ago that was.

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#18953

FromSandman <mr@sandman.net>
Date2013-10-29 07:44 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6uq6i.d0e.mr@irc.sandman.net>
In reply to#18934
In article <slrnl6tqdb.14f7.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> >> > >  You can do that within slrn?
> >> > 
> >> >  Yep.
> >> 
> >>  not here - 10.6 Terminal.app 2.1.2
> 
> > set mouse 1
> > or slrn -m
> 
>  Interesting. If I launch slrn -m I get the menu bar, but I don't see
>  how to access the menus. Clicking with the mouse doesn't do anything
>  and option clicking causes a lot of beeping (put that will move the
>  cursor in the list of groups).

Yeah, my mistake, this doesn't actually work in Terminal.app, it does in 
iTerm. Long time since I used it.

> >> > > >  You can use the mouse for placement within the current command line,
> >> > > 
> >> > >  Which command line to you refer to?
> >> > 
> >> >  The shell command line, presumably.
> >> 
> >>  not here, s.a.
> 
> > But here, and in any OSX install since 10.1 at least. 
> 
>  I seem to recall you had to enable option-click in the prefs at one
>  point, but I don't know how long ago that was.

Maybe. I don't see it as an option in the preferences anymore, but works by 
default. option-click anywhere in the command line (or in pico) to place 
the cursor there.


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#19000

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-10-29 23:19 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl70gkj.16i1.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#18953
In message <slrnl6uq6i.d0e.mr@irc.sandman.net> 
  Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article <slrnl6tqdb.14f7.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> >> > >  You can do that within slrn?
>> >> > 
>> >> >  Yep.
>> >> 
>> >>  not here - 10.6 Terminal.app 2.1.2
>> 
>> > set mouse 1
>> > or slrn -m
>> 
>>  Interesting. If I launch slrn -m I get the menu bar, but I don't see
>>  how to access the menus. Clicking with the mouse doesn't do anything
>>  and option clicking causes a lot of beeping (put that will move the
>>  cursor in the list of groups).

> Yeah, my mistake, this doesn't actually work in Terminal.app, it does in 
> iTerm. Long time since I used it.

I can't get the slrn menus to work in iTerm either.

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#18944

FromMartin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net>
Date2013-10-29 05:00 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6ug84.37j.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>
In reply to#18929
On 28 Oct 2013 21:19:45 GMT, Sandman wrote:
> >  not here - 10.6 Terminal.app 2.1.2
> 
>  set mouse 1
>  or slrn -m

As Lewis stated, this does turn on the top line menu. But that does not
meen that mouse now will work.

option-click does a little bit, but not the full mouse support as
expected.

> > > > >  You can use the mouse for placement within the current command line,
> > > > 
> > > >  Which command line to you refer to?
> > > 
> > >  The shell command line, presumably.
> > 
> >  not here, s.a.
> 
>  But here, and in any OSX install since 10.1 at least. 

Do you use an external, multi button mouse? 
I just had told you that it does not work here. So maybe YOU could do
that, but I can't.

> > > >  Within the shell's command line I can't place the cursor within the
> > > >  command line.
> > > 
> > >  In the OSX Terminal app, you can.
> > 
> >  not here, s.a.
> 
>  But in the OSX Terminal app.

You are ignorant. 

So maybe I'm wrong. But Lewis confirmed the same thing, on his system /
hardware / MacOS version. Think about that...

- Martin

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#18954

FromSandman <mr@sandman.net>
Date2013-10-29 07:47 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6uqc3.d0e.mr@irc.sandman.net>
In reply to#18944
In article <slrnl6ug84.37j.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

> >  set mouse 1
> >  or slrn -m
> 
>  As Lewis stated, this does turn on the top line menu. But that does not
>  meen that mouse now will work.

Correct, my mistake. This works in iTerm, not Terminal. Don't know why 
though since Terminal has mouse support.

> > > >  The shell command line, presumably.
> > > 
> > >  not here, s.a.
> > 
> >  But here, and in any OSX install since 10.1 at least. 
> 
>  Do you use an external, multi button mouse? 

As opposed to an internal mouse? :) It doesn't matter what mouse I use, 
Apple mouse, third party mouse, built in trackpad.

>  I just had told you that it does not work here. So maybe YOU could do
>  that, but I can't.

I can't comment on your setup, but on four Macs here, it works as it 
should. 

> > > >  In the OSX Terminal app, you can.
> > > 
> > >  not here, s.a.
> > 
> >  But in the OSX Terminal app.
> 
>  You are ignorant. 

Quite obviously not. 

>  So maybe I'm wrong. But Lewis confirmed the same thing, on his system /
>  hardware / MacOS version. Think about that...

No need. And all he "confirmed" was that slrn didn't work as I described, 
which I agree with, my mistake.


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#18957

FromMartin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net>
Date2013-10-29 09:03 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6uueg.37j.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>
In reply to#18954
On 29 Oct 2013 07:47:32 GMT, Sandman wrote:
> >  So maybe I'm wrong. But Lewis confirmed the same thing, on his system /
> >  hardware / MacOS version. Think about that...
> 
>  No need. And all he "confirmed" was that slrn didn't work as I described, 
>  which I agree with, my mistake.

Ok, now we solved where we disagreed.

iTerm does some things properly, where Termial.app does not behave as I
expected. Why, that's Apple's mystery.

CU,
Martin

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#18959

FromSandman <mr@sandman.net>
Date2013-10-29 09:42 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6v12t.d0e.mr@irc.sandman.net>
In reply to#18957
In article <slrnl6uueg.37j.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

> > >  So maybe I'm wrong. But Lewis confirmed the same thing, on his system /
> > >  hardware / MacOS version. Think about that...
> > 
> >  No need. And all he "confirmed" was that slrn didn't work as I described, 
> >  which I agree with, my mistake.
> 
>  Ok, now we solved where we disagreed.
> 
>  iTerm does some things properly, where Termial.app does not behave as I
>  expected. Why, that's Apple's mystery.

But Terminal supports mouse in the shell and in text editors such as 
nano/pico



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#18926

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-10-28 20:47 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6tjbq.tjm.g.kreme@mbp55.local>
In reply to#18902
In message <slrnl6t04r.2c1.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de> 
  Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 13:45:30 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
>> >>  What sort of mouse actions?
>> 
>> > I installed a plugin which does support cursor placement within vim,
>> > scrolling, selection etc. But this does work form vim only, not for
>> > slrn.
>> 
>>  What would you use that for in slrn? The only 'cursor' position is the
>>  current article position.

> With the mouse I could select a newsgroup from a list of newsgroups.

> You can do that within slrn?

My slrn usage is to hit the space bar to start reading messages. I use
the n and d keys to move through messages. At the end of a group, I
get put into the next group.

>> > within the xterm I could use the mouse for placement, copy,paste,
>> > selection, visual block marking etc. Most of this now is possible via 
>> > http://www.culater.net/dl/files/SIMBL-0.9.9.zip and
>> > https://bitheap.org/mouseterm/MouseTerm-1.0b1.dmg
>> 
>>  You can use the mouse for placement within the current command line,

> Which command line to you refer to?

In my case, bash, but that's not important. Option clicking on any
commandline positions the cursor. It appears to also work in Vim (I
just tried it, have never used it before now).

> Within the shell's command line I can't place the cursor within the
> command line.

I can.

>>  You can also use the select/3rd button to select
>>  and paste text.

> Yes, that's what I always could do: select a text. But I can't copy with
> the mouse.

You can select and then paste the selected text using the third mouse
button, just like the old days in Solaris.

> I can drag and drop within the command line, but not to any
> position, but to the current cursor position only.

But you an position the cursor anywhere you want.

> So all of that is different to what I could do within a linux xterm,
> both for slrn and for the shell. Please explain, what you mean by
> "Current Command Line".

% This is _ the command line -

(- position of cursor, _ position after option-click between is and
the)

-- 
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that's enough, gimme the remote control I've been nice, I've been good,
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#18943

FromMartin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net>
Date2013-10-29 04:56 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl6ug0a.37j.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>
In reply to#18926
On Mon, 28 Oct 2013 20:47:53 +0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote:
>  My slrn usage is to hit the space bar to start reading messages. I use
>  the n and d keys to move through messages. At the end of a group, I
>  get put into the next group.

same to me, I rarely need mouse support.

Nevertheless it's in there and I used it before, on the Linux platform.

> >> > within the xterm I could use the mouse for placement, copy,paste,
> >> > selection, visual block marking etc. Most of this now is possible via 
> >> > http://www.culater.net/dl/files/SIMBL-0.9.9.zip and
> >> > https://bitheap.org/mouseterm/MouseTerm-1.0b1.dmg
> >> 
> >>  You can use the mouse for placement within the current command line,
> 
> > Which command line to you refer to?
> 
>  In my case, bash, but that's not important. Option clicking on any
>  commandline positions the cursor. It appears to also work in Vim (I
>  just tried it, have never used it before now).

Nice to know, never did that before. But option+mouse is very different
to mouse only.

It even works in slrn with option-mouse, a little bit: lots of beeps
when selecting a group, blanked out subject list and no access to the
top level menu.

> > Within the shell's command line I can't place the cursor within the
> > command line.
> 
>  I can.

But just with the +option, isn't it?

> >>  You can also use the select/3rd button to select
> >>  and paste text.
> 
> > Yes, that's what I always could do: select a text. But I can't copy with
> > the mouse.
> 
>  You can select and then paste the selected text using the third mouse
>  button, just like the old days in Solaris.

Can't try that with the trackpad, although ctrl+option+mouse seems to do
that.

Thanks to you I learned that there is some mouse option within the
shell command line, and even a little bit within slrn.

But when you edit the .slrnrc with
    set mouse 1
you can't take full profit of that.

Even worse, copy and paste now seems broken to me. I can't use
copy/paste any longer within vim for more than a word. I'm
afraid that's due to the plugin I just installed. Crap.

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#18992

FromLewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies>
Date2013-10-29 21:43 +0000
Message-ID<slrnl70avd.16qu.g.kreme@jaka.local>
In reply to#18943
In message <slrnl6ug0a.37j.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de> 
  Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
> Can't try that with the trackpad, although ctrl+option+mouse seems to do
> that.

Much like control+click is a shortcut for the rclick,
control+option+click is (supposed to be) a shortcut for the mclick.

> But when you edit the .slrnrc with
>     set mouse 1
> you can't take full profit of that.

I can't comment on that, as I've never tried to setup slrn for mouse
use. I suspect it is possible though.

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#19184

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2013-11-01 16:48 +0100
Message-ID<83vcka-15u2.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#18926
Lewis wrote:

> In my case, bash, but that's not important. Option clicking on any
> commandline positions the cursor. It appears to also work in Vim (I
> just tried it, have never used it before now).

That is indeed neat.  Thanks for the tip.

> You can select and then paste the selected text using the third mouse
> button, just like the old days in Solaris.

I did with with X11 on VMS too, and very useful it was.

The one catch with X11 on VMS was the default of enabling the mouse in
my then favourite editor.  This would reposition the cursor wherever you
clicked in an editor window and IIRC disabled the kind of selection
available on Solaris you describe.

Yuck!  There was an incantation you could put in your editor startup
to disabled this "feature", but it was difficult to find.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#19202

FromFred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org>
Date2013-11-02 11:14 -0400
Message-ID<fmoore-4DF0D6.11145602112013@mx05.eternal-september.org>
In reply to#19184
In article <83vcka-15u2.ln1@news.chingola.ch>,
 Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote:

> Lewis wrote:
> 
> > In my case, bash, but that's not important. Option clicking on any
> > commandline positions the cursor. It appears to also work in Vim (I
> > just tried it, have never used it before now).
> 
> That is indeed neat.  Thanks for the tip.

Yes, thanks, Lewis. Is this documented anywhere? There might be other 
obscure, but useful, shortcuts listed with it.

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#19063

FromPaul Sture <nospam@sture.ch>
Date2013-10-30 20:11 +0100
Message-ID<s728ka-kno.ln1@news.chingola.ch>
In reply to#18832
Jolly Roger wrote:

> On 2013-10-27, Michelle Steiner <email@michelle> wrote:
>> So what is the consensus for a newsreader to replace MTNW on Mavericks? 
>>  Thoth, Unison, Hogwasher, something else?
>>
>> I'm trying Unison, and I'm not all that happy with it, but I guess that 
>> I could learn to live with it.  I've downloaded Thoth, but haven't 
>> tried it yet; is it worth giving it a try?
>
> I felt like Unison was lacking as well. Lots of folks here like MacSOUP.
> Wasn't Thoth created with stolen code, or something to that effect?
> There's no way in hell you could convince me to switch to a Windows news
> client.
>
> I'm loving slrn with vim as a replacement, so far. I'm very much a power
> user though, and am very comfortable using command-line tools. But if
> power features are what you appreciate, slrn is definitely worth a look,
> IMO.

Reading the slrn documentation I see it has an offline capability with
slpull.  It seemed that once most people climbed onto broadband
they forgot just how handy offline capability can be.

Offline capability is still darn useful in this world of mobile devices.

-- 
Paul Sture

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