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  slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 19:37 +0000
    Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Mike Dee <mikedee@emteedee.invalid> - 2013-10-23 22:59 +0000
      Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-26 23:14 +0000
        Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-27 14:05 +1300
          Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-27 18:02 +1100
            Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-27 21:09 +1300
              Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-27 19:33 +1100
            Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-27 09:12 +0000
              Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 00:57 +1300
                Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-27 13:39 +0000
                Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 20:28 +0000
                  Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
            Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 20:13 +0000
              Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-28 10:35 +1100
            Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-27 20:37 +0000
      Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 19:37 +0000
        Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2013-10-27 23:16 +0000
          Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:10 +0000
    Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-24 03:12 +0000
      Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-24 05:32 +0000
        Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-24 06:51 +0000
    Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-24 18:15 +0000
    Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-26 23:07 +0000
      Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-27 02:41 +0000
        Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 20:07 +0000
          Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-27 20:35 +0000
            Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 21:24 +0000
    Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 19:32 +0000
      Re: slrn as a replacement for MT-NewsWatcher Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-27 22:00 +0000

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#18754

In message <slrnl6hcj0.4n7.mr@irc.sandman.net> 
  Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> In article <slrnl6h40o.r6q.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

>> > I've started the score file, and I wanted to group scores, is this correct:
>> 
>> >   [*]
>> >   Score: 200
>> > 	{::
>> > 	 	References: @irc\.sandman\.net>$
>> > 		References: <mr([^ ]*)@([^ ]*)individual.net>$
>> > 	}
>> 
>> > I.e. that's a scoring for people replying to my posts, and looking at 
>> > the docs, the double colon means that only one of the items need to 
>> > match. I was unable to make it work it seems, or maybe I'm doing 
>> > something wrong there.
>> 
>>  I think :: is or and : is and.

> Exactly, but it didn't seem to work.
>  
>> > What (command line) editor do you use? Do you use one that is 
>> > "post-aware". My editor of choice, pico, doesn't know what a usenet 
>> > post is and can't colorize the text in any meaningful way. But others 
>> > may.
>> 
>>  Vim.

> So, uh, does it colorize quotes? NEver been much of a vi/vim fan... Maybe 
> I'll need to revisit that.

Vim has tons of formatting definitions. I am sure there is one for USENET posts.

The place to ask would be comp.editors, I believe.

>  
>> > How do you navigate the references of a post? Say I'm in a discussion 
>> > and need to go back in time before the loaded article set, using 
>> > references was a grrat way to do it in MT-NewsWatcher. Can it be done 
>> > legantly in slrn?
>> 
>>  You can rebuild the entire thread using ESC 1, ESP P

> Hmmm, ok, fair enough... Might take some time on large threads... I was 
> more looking for a way to traverse the references, but this loads even more 
> info, so perhaps this is better.

I think there is a way to follow the reference headers, if you have the
right newsserver and know the right slang-foo.


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#18770

On 23 Oct 2013 19:37:09 GMT, Sandman wrote:
>  I've started the score file, and I wanted to group scores, is this correct:

Why that? Multiple scores will just sum up. So you don't have to build
complicated "fits all at once" rules.

>  What (command line) editor do you use? 

vim

> Do you use one that is "post-aware". My editor of choice, pico, doesn't know what a usenet post is and can't colorize the text in any meaningful way. But others may.

vim does

>  How do you navigate the references of a post? Say I'm in a discussion and need to go back in time before the loaded article set, using references was a grrat way to do it in MT-NewsWatcher. Can it be done legantly in slrn?

read the shorcuts

  esc-p
  esc-1-p
  esc-2-p

>  That's it for now, I'll add more questions as they pop up :)

better use the newsreader groups for that?

- Martin

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#18802

On 2013-10-23, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> Right, so Thunderbird is a crap application and Unison is pretty but
> rudimentary. So back to slrn and the good old days! So, for you out
> there that use this client, let me ask you some questions so I can get
> back on track. More questions will probably come.
>
> I've started the score file, and I wanted to group scores, is this
> correct:
>
>   [*] 
> 	Score: 200 
> 	{:: 
> 		References: @irc\.sandman\.net>$ 
> 		References: <mr([^ ]*)@([^ ]*)individual.net>$ 
> 	}
>
> I.e. that's a scoring for people replying to my posts, and looking at
> the docs, the double colon means that only one of the items need to
> match. I was unable to make it work it seems, or maybe I'm doing
> something wrong there.

Assuming the References lines are correct, it seems like you are doing
the right thing.

I'm going to read the docs and do some tests and report back here when I
get a minute.

> What (command line) editor do you use? Do you use one that is
> "post-aware". My editor of choice, pico, doesn't know what a usenet
> post is and can't colorize the text in any meaningful way. But others
> may.

I'm using vim with the "syntax on" option. Quoted content is colored;
though I'm not sure whether it's using slrn or some other color
settings. I am fairly familiar with vim's basic editing commands, and
don't mind using it for posting. GUI editors aren't suitable for me,
because I access slrn remotly through a terminal; otherwise, I'd
probably try TextWrangler.

Like you, I'm curious what better editors others out there might be
using.

> How do you navigate the references of a post? Say I'm in a discussion
> and need to go back in time before the loaded article set, using
> references was a grrat way to do it in MT-NewsWatcher. Can it be done
> legantly in slrn?

Indeed. From the FAQ:

<http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/slrn-FAQ-3.html>

"How can I retrieve read articles from the same thread?

If you want to read the ``parent'' of the article you are currently
reading (e.g. because the author did not quote enough material to
understand his message), ``ESC p'' will attempt to find it, using the
``References'' header line.

It is also possible to find all ``children'' of a given article using
``ESC Ctrl-P'' (note that this does not work with all servers) and,
using a recursive combination of both, to reconstruct the entire thread
tree. This is done by pressing either ``ESC 1 ESC p'' or ``ESC 2 ESC p''
- the second alternative can be much faster, but the first is more
  likely to find all articles even if some articles contain incomplete
``References''."

I'll probably end up memorizing both ESC p and ESC 1 ESC p! slrn seems
to be quite capable to me so far. It should be a suitable replacement to
MT-NewsWatcher, with even more functionality geared to my needs. I am
not displeased. : ) 

> That's it for now, I'll add more questions as they pop up :)

Same here. So far, so good.

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want me to see your posts.

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#18810

In message <bd309sFuaf4U1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2013-10-23, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>> Right, so Thunderbird is a crap application and Unison is pretty but
>> rudimentary. So back to slrn and the good old days! So, for you out
>> there that use this client, let me ask you some questions so I can get
>> back on track. More questions will probably come.
>>
>> I've started the score file, and I wanted to group scores, is this
>> correct:
>>
>>   [*] 
>> 	Score: 200 
>> 	{:: 
>> 		References: @irc\.sandman\.net>$ 
>> 		References: <mr([^ ]*)@([^ ]*)individual.net>$ 
>> 	}
>>
>> I.e. that's a scoring for people replying to my posts, and looking at
>> the docs, the double colon means that only one of the items need to
>> match. I was unable to make it work it seems, or maybe I'm doing
>> something wrong there.

> Assuming the References lines are correct, it seems like you are doing
> the right thing.

> I'm going to read the docs and do some tests and report back here when I
> get a minute.

>> What (command line) editor do you use? Do you use one that is
>> "post-aware". My editor of choice, pico, doesn't know what a usenet
>> post is and can't colorize the text in any meaningful way. But others
>> may.

> I'm using vim with the "syntax on" option. Quoted content is colored;
> though I'm not sure whether it's using slrn or some other color
> settings. I am fairly familiar with vim's basic editing commands, and
> don't mind using it for posting. GUI editors aren't suitable for me,
> because I access slrn remotly through a terminal; otherwise, I'd
> probably try TextWrangler.

How do you set the syntax on to always be on? just add "syntax on" to
the vimrc?

> Like you, I'm curious what better editors others out there might be
> using.

I really like using BBEdit, but I also like using vim. The trouble
with vim for me is the lack of inline spellchecking.

> I'll probably end up memorizing both ESC p and ESC 1 ESC p! slrn seems
> to be quite capable to me so far. It should be a suitable replacement to
> MT-NewsWatcher, with even more functionality geared to my needs. I am
> not displeased. : ) 

I've been telling you for *years*. :p

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#18836

On 2013-10-27, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <bd309sFuaf4U1@mid.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-10-23, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>>> What (command line) editor do you use? Do you use one that is
>>> "post-aware". My editor of choice, pico, doesn't know what a usenet
>>> post is and can't colorize the text in any meaningful way. But others
>>> may.
>
>> I'm using vim with the "syntax on" option. Quoted content is colored;
>> though I'm not sure whether it's using slrn or some other color
>> settings. I am fairly familiar with vim's basic editing commands, and
>> don't mind using it for posting. GUI editors aren't suitable for me,
>> because I access slrn remotly through a terminal; otherwise, I'd
>> probably try TextWrangler.
>
> How do you set the syntax on to always be on? just add "syntax on" to
> the vimrc?

Yep, my .vimrc has:

set number
syntax on

>> Like you, I'm curious what better editors others out there might be
>> using.
>
> I really like using BBEdit, but I also like using vim. The trouble
> with vim for me is the lack of inline spellchecking.

I'm pretty sure where there is a will, there is a way. I found this
pretty quickly, but haven't tried it yet: 

<http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/spell.html>

>> I'll probably end up memorizing both ESC p and ESC 1 ESC p! slrn seems
>> to be quite capable to me so far. It should be a suitable replacement to
>> MT-NewsWatcher, with even more functionality geared to my needs. I am
>> not displeased. : ) 
>
> I've been telling you for *years*. :p

Yep, and thanks!  : )

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#18840

In message <bd5a36FfemdU1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2013-10-27, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <bd309sFuaf4U1@mid.individual.net> 
>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2013-10-23, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>>>> What (command line) editor do you use? Do you use one that is
>>>> "post-aware". My editor of choice, pico, doesn't know what a usenet
>>>> post is and can't colorize the text in any meaningful way. But others
>>>> may.
>>
>>> I'm using vim with the "syntax on" option. Quoted content is colored;
>>> though I'm not sure whether it's using slrn or some other color
>>> settings. I am fairly familiar with vim's basic editing commands, and
>>> don't mind using it for posting. GUI editors aren't suitable for me,
>>> because I access slrn remotly through a terminal; otherwise, I'd
>>> probably try TextWrangler.
>>
>> How do you set the syntax on to always be on? just add "syntax on" to
>> the vimrc?

> Yep, my .vimrc has:

> set number
> syntax on

I use set number sometimes, but I don't see its utility in newsposts.

>>> Like you, I'm curious what better editors others out there might be
>>> using.
>>
>> I really like using BBEdit, but I also like using vim. The trouble
>> with vim for me is the lack of inline spellchecking.

> I'm pretty sure where there is a will, there is a way. I found this
> pretty quickly, but haven't tried it yet: 

> <http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/spell.html>

That's interesting. SpellBad is bright white text on white background.
There must be a way to change that. Black on white would work well.

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#18849

On 2013-10-27, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <bd5a36FfemdU1@mid.individual.net> 
>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep, my .vimrc has:
>
>> set number
>> syntax on
>
> I use set number sometimes, but I don't see its utility in newsposts.

Yeah. I edit configuration files and source code a lot with vim; so I just
keep it turned on all the time.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#18829

On 2013-10-23, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> Right, so Thunderbird is a crap application and Unison is pretty but
> rudimentary. So back to slrn and the good old days! So, for you out
> there that use this client, let me ask you some questions so I can get
> back on track. More questions will probably come.
>
> I've started the score file, and I wanted to group scores, is this
> correct:
>
>   [*]
>   Score: 200
> 	{::
> 	 	References: @irc\.sandman\.net>$
> 		References: <mr([^ ]*)@([^ ]*)individual.net>$
> 	}
>
> I.e. that's a scoring for people replying to my posts, and looking at
> the docs, the double colon means that only one of the items need to
> match. I was unable to make it work it seems, or maybe I'm doing
> something wrong there.

The way I read the syntax above is:

For articles in any news group, add 200 to the score if:
a. the References header ends with: @irc.sandman.net> 
-or- 
b. the References header ends with: <mr*@*individual.net>

So only direct responses to your own posts, where your message ID
appears at the very end of the references header (@irc.sandman.net>),
would get this score.

I'm not sure I understand why the second rule exists. Your message IDs
seem to be in the form: @irc.sandman.net. And I don't think I've seen
any messages that would match mr([^ ]*)@([^ ]*)individual.net. I do have
slrn applying scoring to messages replying to your @irc.sandman.net
message ID though. So I know that rule does work.

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to see your posts.

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#18853

In article <bd582cFf075U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >   [*]
> >   Score: 200
> > 	{::
> > 	 	References: @irc\.sandman\.net>$
> > 		References: <mr([^ ]*)@([^ ]*)individual.net>$
> > 	}
> >
> > I.e. that's a scoring for people replying to my posts, and looking at
> > the docs, the double colon means that only one of the items need to
> > match. I was unable to make it work it seems, or maybe I'm doing
> > something wrong there.
> 
>  The way I read the syntax above is:
> 
>  For articles in any news group, add 200 to the score if:
>  a. the References header ends with: @irc.sandman.net> 
>  -or- 
>  b. the References header ends with: <mr*@*individual.net>

That was the intention, but didn't seem to work at the time.

>  So only direct responses to your own posts, where your message ID
>  appears at the very end of the references header (@irc.sandman.net>),
>  would get this score.
> 
>  I'm not sure I understand why the second rule exists. Your message IDs
>  seem to be in the form: @irc.sandman.net. And I don't think I've seen
>  any messages that would match mr([^ ]*)@([^ ]*)individual.net. I do have
>  slrn applying scoring to messages replying to your @irc.sandman.net
>  message ID though. So I know that rule does work.

That was my old, pre-slrn Message-ID regexp. It doesn't matter much, but in 
the transition I wanted to filter them as well :)


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