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  MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Gerry <email@domain.com> - 2013-10-22 21:16 -0700
    Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-23 00:22 -0400
    Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-23 17:47 +1300
      Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2013-10-23 22:14 -0400
        Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-23 23:47 -0400
    Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 11:25 +0200
      Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-23 12:26 +0100
        Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 18:58 +0000
          Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-10-23 16:12 -0400
            Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 20:14 +0000
          Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2013-10-23 22:00 +0000
            Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-24 05:24 +0000
          Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-24 03:08 +0000
    Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-23 07:41 -0400
      Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks RonTheGuy@null.invalid (Ron) - 2013-10-23 18:47 -0700
        Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-10-24 11:27 -0500
          Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-25 12:40 +1300
            Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-25 05:27 +0000
              Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-26 19:03 +1300
            Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> - 2013-10-25 11:01 -0500
              Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-26 19:03 +1300
          Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-26 19:03 +1300
      Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-10-25 10:54 -0700
        Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 09:31 -0500
    Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-23 08:44 -0700
      Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-23 17:50 +0200
        Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-23 08:53 -0700
          Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks martinstaylorhypnotist@googlemail.com - 2013-10-23 09:16 -0700
            Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-23 12:26 -0500
          Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-23 11:20 -0500
            Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Bread <BreadWithSpam@Fractious.net> - 2013-10-23 14:07 -0700
              Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Lloyd  E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-23 16:12 -0500
      Re: MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks Gavin G <ggrandish@gmail.com> - 2013-10-23 11:57 -0700

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#18686 — MT-NewsWatcher & Mavricks

I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to 
launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error 
message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was 
removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work 
under OS 10.9?

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#18687

In article <2013102221160474069-email@domaincom>, Gerry
<email@domain.com> wrote:

> I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to 
> launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error 
> message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was 
> removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work 
> under OS 10.9?

no. open transport is gone.

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#18688

Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:

> I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to 
> launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error 
> message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was 
> removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work 
> under OS 10.9?

Almost certainly not, since MT-NewsWatcher ceased development several
years ago.

The best way it could be made to work again is if someone has the
MT-NewsWatcher source code and is able to rewrite of its networking code
to use an API which is still supported in 10.9. Even that may be a short
term measure as it would still be a Carbon app, and I wouldn't like to
bet on Apple continuing to support Carbon in the next major version of
OS X.

(Apple dropping more major parts of Carbon would kill off many long
lived apps.)

The only other solution would be for a third party to write a network
library which implements the Open Transport API and translates the API
calls to some other networking API which is supported on 10.9. I think
the chances of this happening are pretty slim due to the amount of work
involved for a very small set of affected applications.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#18734

David Empson wrote:
> Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:
>
>> I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to
>> launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error
>> message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was
>> removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work
>> under OS 10.9?
>
> Almost certainly not, since MT-NewsWatcher ceased development several
> years ago.
>
> The best way it could be made to work again is if someone has the
> MT-NewsWatcher source code and is able to rewrite of its networking code
> to use an API which is still supported in 10.9. Even that may be a short
> term measure as it would still be a Carbon app, and I wouldn't like to
> bet on Apple continuing to support Carbon in the next major version of
> OS X.
>
> (Apple dropping more major parts of Carbon would kill off many long
> lived apps.)
>
> The only other solution would be for a third party to write a network
> library which implements the Open Transport API and translates the API
> calls to some other networking API which is supported on 10.9. I think
> the chances of this happening are pretty slim due to the amount of work
> involved for a very small set of affected applications.
>
  The only thing killing off Crayon is Microsoft Office all Office apps 
except Outlook are still carbon based in fact Word is till Binary. Core 
with XML wrapper. When some one can Prod Microsoft to switch to cocoa 
based the Carbon will die a swift death.

-- 
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.      "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it"
http://www.phillipmjones.net    mailto:pjonescet@comcast.net

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#18742

In article <l49vpq$fdp$1@news.albasani.net>, PhillipJones
<pjonescet@comcast.net> wrote:

>   The only thing killing off Crayon is Microsoft Office all Office apps 
> except Outlook are still carbon based in fact Word is till Binary. Core 
> with XML wrapper. When some one can Prod Microsoft to switch to cocoa 
> based the Carbon will die a swift death.

wtf does that even mean? 

what is crayon? 

microsoft word is linked against both carbon and cocoa, which is not
all that unusual. apple mail does the same thing.

carbon will go away when apple decides it's not in their interest to
support it anymore. there are still some parts of the os itself that
use carbon, so they *can't* kill it off yet.

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#18689

On 2013-10-23 04:16:04 +0000, Gerry said:

> I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to 
> launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error 
> message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was 
> removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work 
> under OS 10.9?

Noticed the same thing myself, so I'm at a loss here. Unison is "ok" at 
best. I already miss tons of features from MT-NewsWatcher. Not to 
mention the syncing (via .newsrc file and Dropbox) of my group status...

Maybe we need to get Panic to update Unison for us "hardcore" users?


-- 
Sandman[.net]

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#18690

In article <bcpj0mFtunU1@mid.individual.net>, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> 
wrote:

> On 2013-10-23 04:16:04 +0000, Gerry said:
> 
> > I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to 
> > launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error 
> > message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was 
> > removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work 
> > under OS 10.9?
> 
> Noticed the same thing myself, so I'm at a loss here. Unison is "ok" at 
> best. I already miss tons of features from MT-NewsWatcher. Not to 
> mention the syncing (via .newsrc file and Dropbox) of my group status...
> 
> Maybe we need to get Panic to update Unison for us "hardcore" users?

I'd rather that MT-NW be upgraded for Mavericks.

AIUI, Simon Fraser has stopped working on it. Anyone any ideas there?

-- 
Tim

"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"  --  Bill of Rights 1689

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#18714

On 2013-10-23, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

>> Noticed the same thing myself, so I'm at a loss here. Unison is "ok" at 
>> best. I already miss tons of features from MT-NewsWatcher. Not to 
>> mention the syncing (via .newsrc file and Dropbox) of my group status...
>> 
>> Maybe we need to get Panic to update Unison for us "hardcore" users?
>
> I'd rather that MT-NW be upgraded for Mavericks.
>
> AIUI, Simon Fraser has stopped working on it. Anyone any ideas there?

It seems the domain is down even, so it's fair to assume that there will be no more updates to MTNW.... Pity. 


-- 
Sandman[.net]

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#18719

In article <slrnl6g7eb.3a2.mr@irc.sandman.net>,
 Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:

> On 2013-10-23, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
> 
> >> Noticed the same thing myself, so I'm at a loss here. Unison is "ok" at 
> >> best. I already miss tons of features from MT-NewsWatcher. Not to 
> >> mention the syncing (via .newsrc file and Dropbox) of my group status...
> >> 
> >> Maybe we need to get Panic to update Unison for us "hardcore" users?
> >
> > I'd rather that MT-NW be upgraded for Mavericks.
> >
> > AIUI, Simon Fraser has stopped working on it. Anyone any ideas there?
> 
> It seems the domain is down even, so it's fair to assume that there will be 
> no more updates to MTNW.... Pity.

Hmm, I think it was up last week. I wonder if he's been getting 
bombarded by questions, and took it down in response.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#18720

On 2013-10-23, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

>> > AIUI, Simon Fraser has stopped working on it. Anyone any ideas there?
>> 
>> It seems the domain is down even, so it's fair to assume that there will be 
>> no more updates to MTNW.... Pity.
>
> Hmm, I think it was up last week. I wonder if he's been getting 
> bombarded by questions, and took it down in response.

Otherwise, it's an odd coincidence. :)

-- 
Sandman[.net]

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#18725

In article <slrnl6g7eb.3a2.mr@irc.sandman.net>,
Sandman  <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>On 2013-10-23, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
>> AIUI, Simon Fraser has stopped working on it. Anyone any ideas there?
>
>It seems the domain is down even, so it's fair to assume that there will
>be no more updates to MTNW.... Pity. 

What domain? Simon's website at:

http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/

is accessible.

However, the "Last changed" date is from Sept. 2006.


Patty

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#18748

In article <526846f1$0$52816$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

> > It seems the domain is down even, so it's fair to assume that there will
> > be no more updates to MTNW.... Pity. 
> 
>  What domain? Simon's website at:
> 
>  http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/
> 
>  is accessible.

Ah, it wasn't when I made the claim. :)



-- 
Sandman[.net]

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#18736

In message <slrnl6g7eb.3a2.mr@irc.sandman.net> 
  Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
> On 2013-10-23, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:

>>> Noticed the same thing myself, so I'm at a loss here. Unison is "ok" at 
>>> best. I already miss tons of features from MT-NewsWatcher. Not to 
>>> mention the syncing (via .newsrc file and Dropbox) of my group status...
>>> 
>>> Maybe we need to get Panic to update Unison for us "hardcore" users?
>>
>> I'd rather that MT-NW be upgraded for Mavericks.
>>
>> AIUI, Simon Fraser has stopped working on it. Anyone any ideas there?

> It seems the domain is down even, so it's fair to assume that there will be no more updates to MTNW.... Pity. 

smfr@santafe.edu is his email address and the domain is up.

<http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/Internet/NEWS/mtnewswatcher.html#source>

-- 
He [Rincewind] wondered how old the tower really was. Older than the
University, certainly. Older than the city, which had formed about it
like scree around a mountain. Maybe older than geography.

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#18692

In article <2013102221160474069-email@domaincom>,
 Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:

> I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to 
> launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error 
> message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was 
> removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work 
> under OS 10.9?

  Is there a good (or at least useable) option?
-- 
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe

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#18730

Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <2013102221160474069-email@domaincom>,
>  Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:
> 
> > I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to 
> > launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error 
> > message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was 
> > removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work 
> > under OS 10.9?
> 
>   Is there a good (or at least useable) option?
MacSoup still works. 

-- 
_____________________________
Ron, the humblest guy in town

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#18767

In article <1lb7ium.wivc8s162dvccN%RonTheGuy@null.invalid>,
 RonTheGuy@null.invalid (Ron) wrote:

> Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <2013102221160474069-email@domaincom>,
> >  Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to 
> > > launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error 
> > > message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was 
> > > removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work 
> > > under OS 10.9?
> > 
> >   Is there a good (or at least useable) option?
> MacSoup still works.

For a very poor definition of "works".  Right now, what's working for me 
is reading news on one of my older Macs.  I might go back to slrn 
(preferable to MacSOUP).  Only wish there were an easy way to export 
MT-NW filters and such.

-- 
iPhone apps that matter:    http://appstore.subsume.com/
My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, theremailer.net,
    and probably your server, too.

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#18777

Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:

> In article <1lb7ium.wivc8s162dvccN%RonTheGuy@null.invalid>,
>  RonTheGuy@null.invalid (Ron) wrote:
> 
> > Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <2013102221160474069-email@domaincom>,
> > >  Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to
> > > > launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error
> > > > message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was
> > > > removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work
> > > > under OS 10.9?
> > > 
> > >   Is there a good (or at least useable) option?
> > MacSoup still works.
> 
> For a very poor definition of "works".

What's wrong with MacSOUP? I've been happily using it since 1996.

I still prefer offline to online newsreading and I don't care about
binary groups. I haven't needed to do the equivalent of syncing newsrc
because I use one computer for News.

I can only think of two outright complaints:

MacSOUP is still using antique file system APIs which are limited to 31
characters, so I have to truncate the filename for any articles I want
to save externally.

Its notifactions are also annoying, popping up a system-wide alert which
interrupts me, instead of bouncing the Dock icon.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#18785

In message <1lbamw9.1tkl0rpo4htyvN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> 
  David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:

>> In article <1lb7ium.wivc8s162dvccN%RonTheGuy@null.invalid>,
>>  RonTheGuy@null.invalid (Ron) wrote:
>> 
>> > Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > > In article <2013102221160474069-email@domaincom>,
>> > >  Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > > I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to
>> > > > launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error
>> > > > message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was
>> > > > removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work
>> > > > under OS 10.9?
>> > > 
>> > >   Is there a good (or at least useable) option?
>> > MacSoup still works.
>> 
>> For a very poor definition of "works".

> What's wrong with MacSOUP? 

It's an offline reader. This is just silly when I have a 30/10 mbit
connection to the Internet. Offline? If I'm offline for more than a
couple of minutes I'm on the phone.

> I still prefer offline to online newsreading 

Right, but that is a complete non-starter for me.

>I haven't needed to do the equivalent of syncing newsrc because I use
>one computer for News.

And I use at least three.

> MacSOUP is still using antique file system APIs which are limited to 31
> characters, so I have to truncate the filename for any articles I want
> to save externally.

Which is pretty insane considering those APIs were deprecated in ...
2003? Earlier?

-- 
When the chips are down, the buffalo's empty.

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#18795

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <1lbamw9.1tkl0rpo4htyvN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> 
>   David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:
> > Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
> 
> >> In article <1lb7ium.wivc8s162dvccN%RonTheGuy@null.invalid>,
> >>  RonTheGuy@null.invalid (Ron) wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > 
> >> > > In article <2013102221160474069-email@domaincom>,
> >> > >  Gerry <email@domain.com> wrote:
> >> > > 
> >> > > > I just updated my iMac to OS 10.9 (Mavericks) and when I tried to
> >> > > > launche my newsreader MT-NewsWatcher v. 3.5.3 I recieved the error
> >> > > > message that it needed Open Transport to work. Open Transport was
> >> > > > removed in OS 10.9 is there some way to get MT-NewsWatcher to work
> >> > > > under OS 10.9?
> >> > > 
> >> > >   Is there a good (or at least useable) option?
> >> > MacSoup still works.
> >> 
> >> For a very poor definition of "works".
> 
> > What's wrong with MacSOUP? 
> 
> It's an offline reader. This is just silly when I have a 30/10 mbit
> connection to the Internet. Offline? If I'm offline for more than a
> couple of minutes I'm on the phone.

I prefer the offline mode of operation myself, even in a supposed always
on and fast internet era. Though in reality there are plenty of times
I'm without internet access on the go. Plus offline means everything's
instant. No waiting a second or two, or sometimes longer for an article
to load. I like snappy response times, and you can't beat offline for
that :-)

> > I still prefer offline to online newsreading 
> 
> Right, but that is a complete non-starter for me.

Each to their own, but why would this affect you? It's not stopping you
from doing almost everything you would with an online reader (excepting
live search and reading of unsubbed groups, for which I keep MT-NW
around for).

> >I haven't needed to do the equivalent of syncing newsrc because I use
> >one computer for News.
> 
> And I use at least three.

I'll agree it's not super easy to sync MacSOUP's settings folder across
the internet as it can easily be over a gigabyte in size, depending on
your subscribed groups (a lot in my case) and rate of purging read
and/or old articles (slow for me, as I'm often way behind in certain
groups). But it's not a problem across a LAN, and still doable across
the internet if you've a decent data cap. DropBox and numerous other
solutions can handle this for you.

> > MacSOUP is still using antique file system APIs which are limited to 31
> > characters, so I have to truncate the filename for any articles I want
> > to save externally.
> 
> Which is pretty insane considering those APIs were deprecated in ...
> 2003? Earlier?

A minor hassle IME. Plus you can simply lock articles inside MacSOUP.
There's no pressing need to save any articles you don't need to access
outside of MacSOUP.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#18787

In article <1lbamw9.1tkl0rpo4htyvN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

> Doc O'Leary <droleary@6usenet2013.subsume.com> wrote:
> 
> What's wrong with MacSOUP? I've been happily using it since 1996.

Then you probably already know what's wrong with MacSOUP.  If you 
haven't followed the multiple threads that have come up in the past, you 
can go back and read the points I have previously made:

<https://groups.google.com/groups/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=droleary+Mac
SOUP&btnG=Search&sitesearch=>

-- 
iPhone apps that matter:    http://appstore.subsume.com/
My personal UDP list: 127.0.0.1, localhost, googlegroups.com, theremailer.net,
    and probably your server, too.

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