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| Started by | Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> |
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| First post | 2013-10-27 09:41 -0700 |
| Last post | 2013-11-05 20:31 +0100 |
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Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-27 09:41 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 11:56 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 13:01 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 12:36 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 14:41 -0500
Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 19:58 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 15:05 -0500
Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 20:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2013-10-28 10:23 +1100
Re: Newsreaders Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-10-27 19:57 +0000
Re: Newsreaders snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 20:03 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) - 2013-10-27 22:11 +0000
Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2013-10-27 23:31 +0000
Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2013-10-27 19:46 -0500
Re: Newsreaders for Mac OS X Mavericks Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-01 16:55 +0100
Re: Newsreaders gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:21 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> - 2013-10-28 03:05 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 05:05 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 12:32 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 12:48 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 13:45 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 15:19 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:26 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-28 16:17 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:19 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 22:48 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 07:44 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 23:19 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:00 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 07:47 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 09:03 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-29 09:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 20:47 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 04:56 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 21:43 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-11-01 16:48 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-11-02 11:14 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 20:11 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 14:45 -0500
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300
Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 19:24 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-27 23:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> - 2013-10-27 20:09 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 19:16 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 00:16 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:11 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-28 13:54 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 09:01 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:51 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:09 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 20:04 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 20:02 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-30 14:44 -0500
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 12:56 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-30 20:18 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:24 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 05:25 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-31 17:18 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2013-10-31 17:57 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-31 18:22 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Jesse <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2013-10-31 14:48 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 21:26 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:44 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 01:26 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 21:04 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 02:11 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-27 22:01 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 03:40 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-28 17:26 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:17 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:16 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-28 13:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-28 08:43 -0500
Re: Newsreaders Ted Lee <tmplee@mr.net> - 2013-10-27 20:30 -0500
Re: Newsreaders AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-10-28 11:02 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-10-28 00:48 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:39 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 15:16 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 15:21 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-28 08:31 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-28 08:57 -0700
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-29 05:25 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 09:22 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2013-10-28 21:22 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 13:29 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 01:43 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:04 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 18:25 +1300
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 01:33 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 05:37 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-29 19:25 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 07:25 +0000
Re: Newsreaders nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-29 04:07 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> - 2013-10-29 09:00 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:24 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:33 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:26 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:32 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 12:00 -0700
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 19:43 +0000
Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 21:53 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-29 21:35 +0000
Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 16:28 -0700
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 13:33 +1300
Re: Newsreaders bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 21:43 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 09:31 +1300
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 19:36 +1300
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 12:42 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-10-30 19:23 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-30 09:29 +1300
Re: Newsreaders "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-10-30 16:44 -0400
Re: Newsreaders Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-30 23:22 +0000
Re: Newsreaders Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2013-10-31 13:15 +1300
Re: Newsreaders "J.P. Kuypers" <Jean-Pierre.Kuypers@adresse.invalid> - 2013-10-29 10:10 +0100
Re: Newsreaders Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> - 2013-10-29 08:36 -0500
Re: Newsreaders jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2013-10-30 10:25 +1300
Re: Newsreaders spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 20:31 +0100
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| From | Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 14:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <301020131445266773%lloydp21@live.com> |
| In reply to | #19063 |
In article <s728ka-kno.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > Jolly Roger wrote: > > > On 2013-10-27, Michelle Steiner <email@michelle> wrote: > >> So what is the consensus for a newsreader to replace MTNW on Mavericks? > >> Thoth, Unison, Hogwasher, something else? > >> > >> I'm trying Unison, and I'm not all that happy with it, but I guess that > >> I could learn to live with it. I've downloaded Thoth, but haven't > >> tried it yet; is it worth giving it a try? > > > > I felt like Unison was lacking as well. Lots of folks here like MacSOUP. > > Wasn't Thoth created with stolen code, or something to that effect? > > There's no way in hell you could convince me to switch to a Windows news > > client. > > > > I'm loving slrn with vim as a replacement, so far. I'm very much a power > > user though, and am very comfortable using command-line tools. But if > > power features are what you appreciate, slrn is definitely worth a look, > > IMO. > > Reading the slrn documentation I see it has an offline capability with > slpull. It seemed that once most people climbed onto broadband > they forgot just how handy offline capability can be. > > Offline capability is still darn useful in this world of mobile devices. That's why I use it on my iPad. Otherwise, I prefer live interaction. -- Lloyd
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 10:58 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1lbg5uc.1qydlut1glfaebN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #18823 |
Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > So what is the consensus for a newsreader to replace MTNW on Mavericks? > Thoth, Unison, Hogwasher, something else? > > I'm trying Unison, and I'm not all that happy with it, but I guess that > I could learn to live with it. I've downloaded Thoth, but haven't > tried it yet; is it worth giving it a try? > > -- Michelle Well I'd avoid Hogwasher to begin with - it's essentially unsupported, unfixed for years. It was buggy back in the 90's, and is even more buggy today. Yet the dev still charges for it. I've never been a fan of Thoth, but that's more about the dev's temper tantrums and off and on again support. Still, of the three you mention I'd pick Thoth. But I still prefer MacSOUP, and would chose tin over all of them on OS X 10.9, if MacSOUP didn't exist. Or maybe one of the GUI X-Windows clients. MT-NW was only ever my backup to MacSOUP, for those rare occasions I need to browse groups I'm not subbed to in MacSOUP, or binaries which MacSOUP doesn't handle well (you can save the articles as text files and drag onto a decoder app, but it's painful). Otherwise MacSOUP all the way! :-) -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> |
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| Date | 2013-10-27 19:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <271020131924437074%nospam.m-m@ny.more> |
| In reply to | #18823 |
Thoth is almost exactly like MT. Give it a try. m-m In article <l4jfnl$995$1@dont-email.me>, Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> wrote: > So what is the consensus for a newsreader to replace MTNW on Mavericks? > Thoth, Unison, Hogwasher, something else? > > I'm trying Unison, and I'm not all that happy with it, but I guess that > I could learn to live with it. I've downloaded Thoth, but haven't > tried it yet; is it worth giving it a try? > > -- Michelle
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-27 23:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #18858 |
In article <271020131924437074%nospam.m-m@ny.more>, M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote: > Thoth is almost exactly like MT. Give it a try. > m-m Just trying the Thoth trial. I can't find a setting to tell Thoth to download new postings from the server every x minutes. Where do I set that? I think I found everything else I need, but only time will tell. Not impressed by the text-only doccy. Why didn't he do it properly (in, say, Pages) and issue a PDF? But I think I prefer it over Unison, which tries to be too clever with its interface.
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| From | M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> |
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| Date | 2013-10-27 20:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <271020132009474840%nospam.m-m@ny.more> |
| In reply to | #18862 |
In article <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > Just trying the Thoth trial. I can't find a setting to tell Thoth to > download new postings from the server every x minutes. Where do I set > that? I think I found everything else I need, but only time will tell. Like MT-NW, cmd-Y will fetch new articles from your group list. m-m
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| From | Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-27 19:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l4kadk$jj1$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18865 |
On 2013-10-28 00:09:47 +0000, M-M said: > In article <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > >> Just trying the Thoth trial. I can't find a setting to tell Thoth to >> download new postings from the server every x minutes. Where do I set >> that? I think I found everything else I need, but only time will tell. > > Like MT-NW, cmd-Y will fetch new articles from your group list. > > m-m I know I saw that when I was setting things up, but now I cannot find the auto download of postings. I know it has to be there. One thing I've not found in Thoth is how to make the cursor automagically go to the end of a posting when I reply. Anyone?? -- Lloyd
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 00:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <281020130016524514%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #18865 |
In article <271020132009474840%nospam.m-m@ny.more>, M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote: > In article <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > Just trying the Thoth trial. I can't find a setting to tell Thoth to > > download new postings from the server every x minutes. Where do I set > > that? I think I found everything else I need, but only time will tell. > > Like MT-NW, cmd-Y will fetch new articles from your group list. Yes, I know that, thanks, but I want Thoth to download new posts every x mins. I keep a groups window open in MT-MW and glance at it from time to time to decide whether it's worth having a look at new posts. I want to be able to do the same in Thoth. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| From | Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 08:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <281020130811320868%lloydp21@live.com> |
| In reply to | #18865 |
In article <271020132009474840%nospam.m-m@ny.more>, M-M <nospam.m-m@ny.more> wrote: > In article <271020132342542235%timstreater@greenbee.net>, Tim Streater > <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: > > > Just trying the Thoth trial. I can't find a setting to tell Thoth to > > download new postings from the server every x minutes. Where do I set > > that? I think I found everything else I need, but only time will tell. > > Like MT-NW, cmd-Y will fetch new articles from your group list. > > m-m I asked Brian about that very thing. He said timed gathering of new posts has never been in Thoth though MTNW did offer it. From his answer, it doesn't appear that it ever will. Also asked him about making Thoth position the cursor on replies to the end of the original post, again it isn't there and won't be. His position is that posts should be trimmed and responded to inline with the various comments in the original posting. Personally I don't agree with that as default, but that's the way it is. -- Lloyd
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| From | Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 13:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <281020131354096779%timstreater@greenbee.net> |
| In reply to | #18888 |
In article <281020130811320868%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > I asked Brian about that very thing. He said timed gathering of new > posts has never been in Thoth though MTNW did offer it. From his > answer, it doesn't appear that it ever will. Righto, thanks. Pity, but there it is. And anyway Thoth does some things better than MT-NW. > Also asked him about making Thoth position the cursor on replies to the > end of the original post, again it isn't there and won't be. His > position is that posts should be trimmed and responded to inline with > the various comments in the original posting. Personally I don't agree > with that as default, but that's the way it is. Well it'd be nice to have it as an option. Personally I also think stuff should be trimmed to what people are replying to. Nothing more irritating than to have a long post with a single one-liner at the end. -- Tim "That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| From | Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 09:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <l4lqmt$nmb$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18895 |
On 2013-10-28 13:54:09 +0000, Tim Streater said: > In article <281020130811320868%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd > <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > >> I asked Brian about that very thing. He said timed gathering of new >> posts has never been in Thoth though MTNW did offer it. From his >> answer, it doesn't appear that it ever will. > > Righto, thanks. Pity, but there it is. And anyway Thoth does some > things better than MT-NW. Very true. I remember back in the day, that I was looking for a good usenet client. Looked at MTNW and Thoth among many, decided Thoth was better even though not free. Somewhere in OSX upgrades, the version of Thoth I had wouldn't work and I was a little irritated for whatever reason at the time, and switched to MTNW. > >> Also asked him about making Thoth position the cursor on replies to the >> end of the original post, again it isn't there and won't be. His >> position is that posts should be trimmed and responded to inline with >> the various comments in the original posting. Personally I don't agree >> with that as default, but that's the way it is. > > Well it'd be nice to have it as an option. Personally I also think > stuff should be trimmed to what people are replying to. Nothing more > irritating than to have a long post with a single one-liner at the end. I agree, it would be a nice option to have. With small messages, I generally just post at the bottom and that seems the majority. For larger ones, I usually (but not always) snip and reply inline. -- Lloyd
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| From | Michelle Steiner <email@michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 08:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <l4m16p$1pi$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18896 |
On 2013-10-28 14:01:01 +0000, Lloyd E Parsons said: > Very true. I remember back in the day, that I was looking for a good > usenet client. Looked at MTNW and Thoth among many, decided Thoth was > better even though not free. I started reading usnet with a Hypercard-based news reader. I then switched to a product (whose name and developer I no longer remember) that combined a newsreader and email client into one application. When NewsWatcher came out, I switched to it. Then when YANW and MTNW were released, I evaluated both, and chose YANW; I stayed with it until Brian changed the interface and method of some features. I wrote him that I didn't like the new way, and he became very defensive, almost to the point of being obnoxious, about it. I looked again at MTNW, which had gone through a number of updates and revisions since I had last looked, and switched to it. I stayed with MTNW until upgrading the OS to Mavericks. -- Michelle -- I'm a year older than I was exactly one year ago.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-29 09:09 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <291020130909161877%YourName@YourISP.com> |
| In reply to | #18896 |
In article <l4lqmt$nmb$1@dont-email.me>, Lloyd E Parsons <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > On 2013-10-28 13:54:09 +0000, Tim Streater said: > > > In article <281020130811320868%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd > > <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > > > >> I asked Brian about that very thing. He said timed gathering of new > >> posts has never been in Thoth though MTNW did offer it. From his > >> answer, it doesn't appear that it ever will. > > > > Righto, thanks. Pity, but there it is. And anyway Thoth does some > > things better than MT-NW. > > Very true. I remember back in the day, that I was looking for a good > usenet client. Looked at MTNW and Thoth among many, decided Thoth was > better even though not free. > > Somewhere in OSX upgrades, the version of Thoth I had wouldn't work and > I was a little irritated for whatever reason at the time, and switched > to MTNW. > > > > >> Also asked him about making Thoth position the cursor on replies to the > >> end of the original post, again it isn't there and won't be. His > >> position is that posts should be trimmed and responded to inline with > >> the various comments in the original posting. Personally I don't agree > >> with that as default, but that's the way it is. > > > > Well it'd be nice to have it as an option. Personally I also think > > stuff should be trimmed to what people are replying to. Nothing more > > irritating than to have a long post with a single one-liner at the end. > > I agree, it would be a nice option to have. With small messages, I > generally just post at the bottom and that seems the majority. For > larger ones, I usually (but not always) snip and reply inline. In Thoth you can select a piece of text and then use the reply function and your new message only quotes the selected text.
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| From | Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4mibf$h8n$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #18921 |
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote: > > In Thoth you can select a piece of text and then use the reply function > and your new message only quotes the selected text. In other words, like any decent e-mail program? -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 20:04 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <dq18ka-nlo.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #18921 |
Your Name wrote: > In Thoth you can select a piece of text and then use the reply function > and your new message only quotes the selected text. > MT-NW can do that but it's not so easy to get the attributions correct when you do that. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4u8n4$7n4$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19062 |
Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > Your Name wrote: > >> In Thoth you can select a piece of text and then use the reply function >> and your new message only quotes the selected text. >> > > MT-NW can do that but it's not so easy to get the attributions correct > when you do that. I do it a lot on long ones, but worry about proper attribution. -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
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| From | Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 20:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <qn18ka-blo.ln1@news.chingola.ch> |
| In reply to | #18896 |
Lloyd E Parsons wrote: > On 2013-10-28 13:54:09 +0000, Tim Streater said: > >> In article <281020130811320868%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd >> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: >> >> Well it'd be nice to have it as an option. Personally I also think >> stuff should be trimmed to what people are replying to. Nothing more >> irritating than to have a long post with a single one-liner at the end. > > I agree, it would be a nice option to have. With small messages, I > generally just post at the bottom and that seems the majority. For > larger ones, I usually (but not always) snip and reply inline. I'd like an option and maybe an intelligent one that could be toggled by a shortcut key. Short message -> position at bottom Long message -> position at or near top ready for snipping The definition of short or long would need to be customisable, and of course depends on how many lines fit into your compose pane/window. -- Paul Sture
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| From | Lloyd <lloydp21@live.com> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 14:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <301020131444303411%lloydp21@live.com> |
| In reply to | #19061 |
In article <qn18ka-blo.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > Lloyd E Parsons wrote: > > > On 2013-10-28 13:54:09 +0000, Tim Streater said: > > > >> In article <281020130811320868%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd > >> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > >> > >> Well it'd be nice to have it as an option. Personally I also think > >> stuff should be trimmed to what people are replying to. Nothing more > >> irritating than to have a long post with a single one-liner at the end. > > > > I agree, it would be a nice option to have. With small messages, I > > generally just post at the bottom and that seems the majority. For > > larger ones, I usually (but not always) snip and reply inline. > > I'd like an option and maybe an intelligent one that could be toggled by > a shortcut key. > > Short message -> position at bottom > Long message -> position at or near top ready for snipping > > The definition of short or long would need to be customisable, and of > course depends on how many lines fit into your compose pane/window. From my conversations with Brian, I don't think he's going to change that in Thoth. -- Lloyd
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| From | jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 08:52 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1lblkco.1dz2d1v1a9uvr2N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz> |
| In reply to | #19061 |
Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > Lloyd E Parsons wrote: > > > On 2013-10-28 13:54:09 +0000, Tim Streater said: > > > >> In article <281020130811320868%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd > >> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > >> > >> Well it'd be nice to have it as an option. Personally I also think > >> stuff should be trimmed to what people are replying to. Nothing more > >> irritating than to have a long post with a single one-liner at the end. > > > > I agree, it would be a nice option to have. With small messages, I > > generally just post at the bottom and that seems the majority. For > > larger ones, I usually (but not always) snip and reply inline. > > I'd like an option and maybe an intelligent one that could be toggled by > a shortcut key. > > Short message -> position at bottom > Long message -> position at or near top ready for snipping > > The definition of short or long would need to be customisable, and of > course depends on how many lines fit into your compose pane/window. I just click with my mouse, and don't seem to have suffered for it over the decades. -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 12:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <301020131256100481%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #19061 |
In article <qn18ka-blo.ln1@news.chingola.ch>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> wrote: > Lloyd E Parsons wrote: > > > On 2013-10-28 13:54:09 +0000, Tim Streater said: > > > >> In article <281020130811320868%lloydp21@live.com>, Lloyd > >> <lloydp21@live.com> wrote: > >> > >> Well it'd be nice to have it as an option. Personally I also think > >> stuff should be trimmed to what people are replying to. Nothing more > >> irritating than to have a long post with a single one-liner at the end. > > > > I agree, it would be a nice option to have. With small messages, I > > generally just post at the bottom and that seems the majority. For > > larger ones, I usually (but not always) snip and reply inline. Me too; always, sometimes to a fault. > I'd like an option and maybe an intelligent one that could be toggled by > a shortcut key. > > Short message -> position at bottom > Long message -> position at or near top ready for snipping Long message; select what you want to reply to, and that will be what is quoted; insertion point goes afterwards. If there are discontiguous sections to be replied to, use copy and paste for the rest. No need to quote all and selectively snip in the reply message.
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| From | Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-30 20:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl72qd8.4nf.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de> |
| In reply to | #19061 |
On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 20:02:50 +0100, Paul Sture wrote: > I'd like an option and maybe an intelligent one that could be toggled by > a shortcut key. > > Short message -> position at bottom > Long message -> position at or near top ready for snipping > > The definition of short or long would need to be customisable, and of > course depends on how many lines fit into your compose pane/window. The intelligent option is to delete stuff that you don't need. The usual way to review something is to read from top to bottom. Thus I'm glad that my editor always starts at top. The non intelligent option is the fullquote - obviously the preferred one. - Martin
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