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| Started by | ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) |
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| First post | 2013-10-26 17:02 -0500 |
| Last post | 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 144 — 29 participants |
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Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2013-10-26 17:02 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 20:21 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> - 2013-10-27 08:08 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-27 10:10 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-27 14:16 +1300
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-26 21:23 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-27 02:37 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-26 23:09 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-27 09:31 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 11:00 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-27 10:30 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when sync(hroniz)ing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-27 12:21 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 10:20 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-28 18:15 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 12:31 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 18:38 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-29 12:16 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 18:22 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-28 15:57 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 20:56 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 23:57 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 00:47 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 02:02 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 21:38 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-29 19:38 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 00:50 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 22:21 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-30 09:09 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 09:05 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "857" <8571953@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 06:59 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 11:13 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-29 12:59 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 09:07 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 11:00 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 16:22 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 14:53 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-30 14:56 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2013-10-30 21:01 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-11-02 06:53 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:28 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-11-02 06:53 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 09:28 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-31 09:17 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 15:01 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-31 13:35 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:28 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-31 15:36 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 01:46 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-01 22:20 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> - 2013-11-02 08:26 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-02 15:06 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2013-11-02 13:42 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 05:37 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 06:24 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 19:32 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 14:37 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 04:48 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-01 22:45 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 14:37 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:12 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:32 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-05 09:13 +1300
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-05 11:19 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 18:18 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-11-02 22:49 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:23 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 16:08 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 11:00 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 06:28 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 16:42 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 08:53 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 17:29 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 09:41 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 08:33 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 15:58 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 12:30 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:23 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:13 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:24 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 16:32 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 11:22 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 02:41 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 20:51 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:42 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-30 21:55 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 20:53 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:43 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-30 22:05 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 21:00 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-31 10:01 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-31 07:39 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:48 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-06 17:21 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 19:58 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-07 09:32 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-07 22:03 -0700
Re: (OT) Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-11-08 10:48 -0500
Re: (OT) Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-08 21:34 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-09 10:06 -0600
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-09 20:01 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-09 22:36 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-09 21:26 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-11 09:58 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2013-11-10 09:49 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:38 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 16:41 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:08 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 08:28 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:44 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 17:52 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:28 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 15:54 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 12:28 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 23:08 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:15 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:11 -0700
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:22 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 10:22 -0400
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 16:52 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:42 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:17 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 09:24 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:38 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 09:53 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 08:34 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:53 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-05 05:21 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-05 12:58 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 05:25 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-06 12:41 +0100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 04:53 +1100
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-10-27 19:34 -0500
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-28 17:07 +0000
Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
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| From | Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 06:24 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <4gnb79hafqeom67emmuas2bt4u8796mraf@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #19209 |
Rod Speed writes: > They can be. Only if the server is in your home and you own it, which defeats the purpose of a cloud (almost). > They are if what they see has been encrypted before they see it. And how do you know if that is the case?
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 19:32 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bdmg2kF3t2uU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #19216 |
Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote > Rod Speed wrote >> Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> wrote >>> Davoud wrote >> They can be. Will you STOP this stupid quoting. It's a complete fucking pain in the arse having to go back to what you quoted from so I can see what that comment was about. Here is what you should have included in the quoting >>>> Dunno. Are remote servers ipso facto insecure, or controlled >>>> by persons who are bound to plunder your data? >>> They are not controlled by you, >> They can be. > Only if the server is in your home and you own it, It doesn't have to be in your home to be completely secure. And you don't have to own it for it to be completely secure either. > which defeats the purpose of a cloud (almost). Like hell it does. >>> which means that they are not private. >> They are if what they see has been encrypted before they see it. > And how do you know if that is the case? By encrypting it yourself before you put it in the cloud.
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| From | Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> |
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| Date | 2013-11-02 14:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l532mn$5h2$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19194 |
Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > Erilar: >> Since when is there anything really private about the cloud? > > Dunno. Are remote servers ipso facto insecure, or controlled by persons > who are bound to plunder your data? Are they hacker-proof? Don't be silly! -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 04:48 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <bdks90FoabqU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #19201 |
Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote > Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote >> Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote >>> Since when is there anything really private about the cloud? >> Dunno. Are remote servers ipso facto insecure, or controlled >> by persons who are bound to plunder your data? > Are they hacker-proof? Doesn’t matter if what they see is encrypted before they see it.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-11-01 22:45 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <011120132245558909%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #19193 |
In article <l51lhv$216$2@dont-email.me>, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote: > >> I agree. If I can't back up/sync privately, I'll have to delete some of > >> the data I don't choose to have out there. > > > > you can sync some stuff privately, just not all. > > Since when is there anything really private about the cloud? you skip the cloud for what you want to keep private. the problem is that calendars and contacts must go through the cloud. other stuff can skip the cloud and go over usb.
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| From | Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> |
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| Date | 2013-11-02 14:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l532mm$5h2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19195 |
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <l51lhv$216$2@dont-email.me>, Erilar > <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote: > >>>> I agree. If I can't back up/sync privately, I'll have to delete some of >>>> the data I don't choose to have out there. >>> >>> you can sync some stuff privately, just not all. >> >> Since when is there anything really private about the cloud? > > you skip the cloud for what you want to keep private. > > the problem is that calendars and contacts must go through the cloud. > > other stuff can skip the cloud and go over usb. From what Ive been reading here, the new stuff won't allow any USB sync whatsoever. Is this true or not? -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2013-11-02 12:12 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <021120131212302604%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #19200 |
In article <l532mm$5h2$2@dont-email.me>, Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote: > >>>> I agree. If I can't back up/sync privately, I'll have to delete some of > >>>> the data I don't choose to have out there. > >>> > >>> you can sync some stuff privately, just not all. > >> > >> Since when is there anything really private about the cloud? > > > > you skip the cloud for what you want to keep private. > > > > the problem is that calendars and contacts must go through the cloud. > > > > other stuff can skip the cloud and go over usb. > > From what Ive been reading here, the new stuff won't allow any USB sync > whatsoever. Is this true or not? completely false. calendars & contacts no longer have usb syncing in mavericks. other stuff does.
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| From | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| Date | 2013-11-04 17:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l58i7k$d05$2@news.sap-ag.de> |
| In reply to | #19203 |
Am 02.11.2013 17:12, schrieb nospam: > calendars & contacts no longer have usb syncing in mavericks. What about the (local) WiFi sync that iTunes implemented a few years ago (if I understood this concept correctly, never used it so far)? If this still available in Mavericks or did they kill that as well? > other stuff does. That's at least something... :-) Best regards, Michael
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2013-11-05 09:13 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <1lbuu5i.1xuz3rj1lj4qepN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #19222 |
Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote: > Am 02.11.2013 17:12, schrieb nospam: > > > calendars & contacts no longer have usb syncing in mavericks. > > What about the (local) WiFi sync that iTunes implemented a few years ago > (if I understood this concept correctly, never used it so far)? If this > still available in Mavericks or did they kill that as well? WiFi syncing is still there, but it has the same limitation as USB syncing: it cannot be used to sync contacts & calendars any more in Mavericks. Other content (music, podcasts, photos, etc.) still sync fine via WiFi. If you want to sync contacts & calendars, you need to use iCloud, Google, an Exchange server, some other CalDAV/CardDAV service, or roll your own server. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| Date | 2013-11-05 11:19 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l5agn1$k0n$1@news.sap-ag.de> |
| In reply to | #19230 |
Am 04.11.2013 21:13, schrieb David Empson: > Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote: > >> Am 02.11.2013 17:12, schrieb nospam: >> >>> calendars & contacts no longer have usb syncing in mavericks. >> >> What about the (local) WiFi sync that iTunes implemented a few years ago >> (if I understood this concept correctly, never used it so far)? If this >> still available in Mavericks or did they kill that as well? > > WiFi syncing is still there, but it has the same limitation as USB > syncing: it cannot be used to sync contacts & calendars any more in > Mavericks. Other content (music, podcasts, photos, etc.) still sync fine > via WiFi. > > If you want to sync contacts & calendars, you need to use iCloud, > Google, an Exchange server, some other CalDAV/CardDAV service, or roll > your own server. Thanks for the clarification! :-) Michael
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| From | spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) |
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| Date | 2013-11-05 18:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1lbvk1s.nb0epj12umj00N@marc.my-fqdn.de> |
| In reply to | #19222 |
Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote: > Am 02.11.2013 17:12, schrieb nospam: >> calendars & contacts no longer have usb syncing in mavericks. > What about the (local) WiFi sync that iTunes implemented a few years ago > (if I understood this concept correctly, never used it so far)? If this > still available in Mavericks or did they kill that as well? They didn't kill "USB connections". You can still connect your iDevice and get e.g. photos into iPhoto... What they killed, is the "local synch framework". Regardless if via USB or WiFi. -- In a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
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| From | Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> |
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| Date | 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <l4u8n3$7n4$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19057 |
Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote: > Davoud: ). > ... > > Google, Microsoft, Adobe, and a host of others have > failed to secure the data they store. You /cannot/ use the Internet > without exposing yourself to certain risks. Which is why there are certain things I do not use the internet for. Also why my dog has a Facebook page and I, at least publicly, do not 8-) -- Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad
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| From | Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> |
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| Date | 2013-11-02 22:49 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <l54kl1$b97$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #19034 |
At 30 Oct 2013 11:00:35 -0400 Davoud wrote: > The talk of setting up one's own cloud is terribly amusing, a lovely > childrens fantasy. Anyone who can set up a remote server that is more > secure than the best that industry can offer could hire themselves out > for a great deal of money. You would have security through obscurity. Gmail, Outlook.com, iCloud, Facebook, et al, are big, fat targets because of the myriad of data about millions of individuals they contain. A CardDAV server hosted at "davoud.com" (or at your IP address itself with no name server reference) would be so far off the radar, nobody would be looking for it.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2013-11-03 05:23 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnl7bne0.ei9.g.kreme@mbp55.local> |
| In reply to | #19214 |
In message <l54kl1$b97$1@dont-email.me> Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote: > At 30 Oct 2013 11:00:35 -0400 Davoud wrote: >> The talk of setting up one's own cloud is terribly amusing, a lovely >> childrens fantasy. Anyone who can set up a remote server that is more >> secure than the best that industry can offer could hire themselves out >> for a great deal of money. Not true, it is very easy to setup a remote server that is completely immune to spying. It is hard to do that when the server has to serve multiple people in multiple locations. But it is possible to be immune to MITM attacks. For example, my ssh login to my server across town uses a public/private key pair. The private key is *only* on my local computers and has never travelled over the Internet in anyway. Because of that, my ssh connection to that machine is secure. This is not a viable solution for most users. However, there are technologies like PFS that will secure the Internet against the NSA. The US Government was terrified of the so-called 'dark net' but they have done more than anyone to ensure it. In a few years the technology will be in place so that everyone on the Internet is not only encrypted and secure, but it *cannot* be decrypted by anyone outside of the specific transaction. > A CardDAV server hosted at "davoud.com" (or at your IP address itself > with no name server reference) would be so far off the radar, nobody > would be looking for it. And even if they were, if you put it behind https and did it right, it would be impervious to eavesdropping without a court order compelling you to give up your ssl keys. But in a few years, even that won't work. PFS and deniable encryption are coming. -- And she was drifting through the backyard And she was taking off her dress And she was moving very slowly Rising up above the earth
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| From | Davoud <star@sky.net> |
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| Date | 2013-10-28 16:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <281020131608171168%star@sky.net> |
| In reply to | #18917 |
Michael Eyd: > And I think that there are still many people out there (many more than > you think), that would rather not put anything into any cloud - least > any private information. Wow! That means no web surfing, no e-mail, no USENET, no Internet full stop--because it all puts personal stuff on the the remote servers that we have come to call "the cloud." > Might be different in the US, but in Europe > e.g. mentalities may differ quite a lot from the ones in the US. And the > latest discussions about the NSA (and others) spying on basically > everybody don't help here either... Everybody? Really? Europeans are so poor at basic arithmetic that they think that NSA can spy on /everybody/ ? Or Europeans' egos are so puffed up that they think (hope?) that they are important enough to draw the attention of the U.S. Intelligence Community? Wrong again. -- I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that you will say in your entire life. usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm
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| From | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| Date | 2013-10-29 11:00 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l4o0va$4kg$1@news.sap-ag.de> |
| In reply to | #18920 |
Am 28.10.2013 21:08, schrieb Davoud: > Michael Eyd: >> And I think that there are still many people out there (many more than >> you think), that would rather not put anything into any cloud - least >> any private information. > > Wow! That means no web surfing, no e-mail, no USENET, no Internet full > stop--because it all puts personal stuff on the the remote servers that > we have come to call "the cloud." > >> Might be different in the US, but in Europe >> e.g. mentalities may differ quite a lot from the ones in the US. And the >> latest discussions about the NSA (and others) spying on basically >> everybody don't help here either... > > Everybody? Really? Europeans are so poor at basic arithmetic that they > think that NSA can spy on /everybody/ ? Or Europeans' egos are so > puffed up that they think (hope?) that they are important enough to > draw the attention of the U.S. Intelligence Community? Wrong again. You may continue to make fun of this topic - but be aware that one day you might wake up in a world that you always thought was not possible to come true. And believe me, NSA *is* capable (quantitywise) of collecting all the information they can get their hands on. Regardless of what they might tell the public... Whether my data (or your data) is part of this collection is not so much my concern, I'm already concerned more than enough about it *possibly* being part of it. But I guess you will not understand these concerns, because you never read '1984', you never lived in a country that had experienced in its last 100 years two dictatorships, both making use of very effective secret services as well against internal 'enemies', ... But sure, the NSA aims only at terrorists. Ah, could you please remind me in exactly which terrorist plots the German chancellor, the French prime minister and ~30 high ranking politicians from around the world were involved? Momentarily slipped my memory... So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-( Best regards, and keep on dreaming, Michael
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-29 06:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <291020130628514487%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #18960 |
In article <l4o0va$4kg$1@news.sap-ag.de>, Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote: > But sure, the NSA aims only at terrorists. No one ever claimed that. > Ah, could you please remind me in exactly which terrorist plots the > German chancellor, the French prime minister and ~30 high ranking > politicians from around the world were involved? Momentarily slipped > my memory.. The NSA's mission is to collect signals intelligence from both allies, enemies, potential enemies, and neutral parties in order to further the political and military interests of the United States. (Those are my words, not the official mission statement, but I'm quite accurate in my assessment.) Knowing what an ally would do in a given situation helps the US determine what it would do. If we knew, for instance, that Germany would not back us up if we took a given action might cause us not to take that action; however, if we knew that Germany would back us up, it would help decide to take that action. > So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-( We never said that.
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| From | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| Date | 2013-10-29 16:42 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l4ol20$s3u$1@news.sap-ag.de> |
| In reply to | #18962 |
Am 29.10.2013 14:28, schrieb Michelle Steiner: > In article <l4o0va$4kg$1@news.sap-ag.de>, Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> > wrote: > >> But sure, the NSA aims only at terrorists. > > No one ever claimed that. US officials did. Might not have been in the US media, but it was over here in Europe, Germany in particular. >> Ah, could you please remind me in exactly which terrorist plots the >> German chancellor, the French prime minister and ~30 high ranking >> politicians from around the world were involved? Momentarily slipped >> my memory.. > > The NSA's mission is to collect signals intelligence from both allies, > enemies, potential enemies, and neutral parties in order to further the > political and military interests of the United States. (Those are my > words, not the official mission statement, but I'm quite accurate in my > assessment.) Knowing what an ally would do in a given situation helps > the US determine what it would do. If we knew, for instance, that > Germany would not back us up if we took a given action might cause us > not to take that action; however, if we knew that Germany would back us > up, it would help decide to take that action. > >> So much for 'We're only after the bad guys...' :-( > > We never said that. US officials did. Might not have been in the US media, but it was over here in Europe, Germany in particular. And believe me, I know what the services want to achieve - this is completely independent from the country they belong to. Nevertheless, it is a question they should continuously ask themselves whether everything they can should be done by them. E.g. spying on high(est)-ranking politicians from close allies. E.g. tapping into the phone calls of high(est)-ranking politicians from close allies. ... They should always consider the harm done if this gets public (as it now has), and the loss in trust the US has to bear by that. Or, to put it the other way around: What would you say, what would POTUS say if the German (or French or Spanish or ...) secret service tapped into his phone calls, noticing who he was talking to, possibly even listening to every word said? I really wouldn't expect that anybody in the US would take that lightheartedly... ;-) No, from my point of view here the US definitively went to far in their attempt to gather as much information as possible. Sorry, but Keith Alexander (and many others) seems to have lost track who is friend and who is foe. Best regards, Michael
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2013-10-29 08:53 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <291020130853217849%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #18965 |
In article <l4ol20$s3u$1@news.sap-ag.de>, Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> wrote: > >> But sure, the NSA aims only at terrorists. > > > > No one ever claimed that. > > US officials did. No, they didn't. Any reports you may have read saying that they did are distortions at best and fabrications at worst.
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| From | Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> |
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| Date | 2013-10-29 17:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l4onpk$1cl$1@news.sap-ag.de> |
| In reply to | #18966 |
Am 29.10.2013 16:53, schrieb Michelle Steiner: > In article <l4ol20$s3u$1@news.sap-ag.de>, Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> > wrote: > >>>> But sure, the NSA aims only at terrorists. >>> >>> No one ever claimed that. >> >> US officials did. > > No, they didn't. Any reports you may have read saying that they did > are distortions at best and fabrications at worst. Ok, if you feel that the video at <https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6Kc5Xvr24Aw> is a fabrication, be my guest. But I'd say that Keith Alexander is actually a quite high-ranking US official and that the video looks pretty original to me. That Alexander claims to protect at the same time civil rights and privacy is no more than a claim to me, and not a very likely one seeing that they routinely violate civil rights and privacy of people known to have no connection to terrorism whatsoever. Best regards, Michael
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