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  iWeb - any use for it anymore? Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> - 2013-11-26 18:00 -0800
    Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-26 21:10 -0500
    Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-26 18:41 -0800
    Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> - 2013-11-27 08:59 +0100
      Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-27 07:11 -0800
    Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-27 19:32 +0000
      Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 07:45 -0800
        Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-28 16:24 +0000
          Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-11-28 14:11 -0500
            Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 12:14 -0800
              Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 12:21 -0800
              Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-28 15:31 -0500
                Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 13:37 -0800
              Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-12-10 00:49 -0500
                Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-12-10 10:04 -0800
          Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 12:01 -0800
    Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> - 2013-11-27 21:36 -0800
      Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-11-28 07:46 -0800
        Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? Frank <gno52@windstream.net> - 2013-11-29 04:06 -0800
        Re: iWeb - any use for it anymore? Frank <gno52@windstream.net> - 2013-11-29 04:08 -0800

#19630 — iWeb - any use for it anymore?

Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites, or was it so 
specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that when you menu 
select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.

Thanks
Lyndon

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#19632

In article <lyndon-458FD4.18004526112013@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>,
Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:

> Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites, or was it so 
> specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that when you menu 
> select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.

you can export the web site, then upload it anywhere. i think it even
supports direct ftp (it's been years since i used it).

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#19636

On 2013-11-27 02:00:45 +0000, Lyndon said:

> Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites,...

I sure can.  I use it with a domain I set up with 1and1, which was 
recommended here.

> ...or was it so specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that 
> when you menu
> select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.

I'm still using it and will continue to do so until it's peeled out my 
cold dead hand--or, when it don't work no more.

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#19642

In article <lyndon-458FD4.18004526112013@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>,
Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:

> Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites, or was it so 
> specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that when you menu 
> select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.
> 
> Thanks
> Lyndon

I still have several sites made with iWeb at my host's servers. As far
as I know it still works.

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#19649

On 2013-11-27 07:59:07 +0000, Beli said:

> In article <lyndon-458FD4.18004526112013@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>,
> Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:
> 
>> Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites, or was it so
>> specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that when you menu
>> select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.
> 
> I still have several sites made with iWeb at my host's servers. As far
> as I know it still works.

I use iWeb to maintain a website for a local community group, and make 
changes every month. In total I modify/maintain a total of about 5 
websites using iWeb.

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#19652

In message <lyndon-458FD4.18004526112013@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com> 
  Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:
> Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites, or was it so 
> specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that when you menu 
> select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.

It always could be used with any domain hosting you wanted, but it was
much harder to sync the site in a usable way to a third party host.

I would classify as useless at this point.

-- 
Vernon: Now this is the thought that wakes me up in the middle of the
night. That when I get older, these kids are going to take care of me
Carl: I wouldn't count on it.

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#19698

On 2013-11-27 19:32:30 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <lyndon-458FD4.18004526112013@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>
>   Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:
>> Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites, or was it so
>> specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that when you menu
>> select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.
> 
> It always could be used with any domain hosting you wanted, but it was
> much harder to sync the site in a usable way to a third party host.
> 
> I would classify as useless at this point.

I'm not sure why you say harder and useless.  I use it all the time 
with a non-icloud/mobile.me website; I push a button, it syncs. That 
easy.

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#19702

In message <2013112807450986714-xxx@yyyzzz> 
  gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> On 2013-11-27 19:32:30 +0000, Lewis said:

>> In message <lyndon-458FD4.18004526112013@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>
>>   Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:
>>> Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites, or was it so
>>> specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that when you menu
>>> select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.
>> 
>> It always could be used with any domain hosting you wanted, but it was
>> much harder to sync the site in a usable way to a third party host.
>> 
>> I would classify as useless at this point.

> I'm not sure why you say harder and useless.  I use it all the time 
> with a non-icloud/mobile.me website; I push a button, it syncs. That 
> easy.

I must be misremembering. As I recall it I had to public the site
locally, then manually send it to the host.

-- 
Everything that was magical was just a way of describing the world in
words it couldn't ignore.

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#19708

In article <slrnl9eri8.vs3.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> In message <2013112807450986714-xxx@yyyzzz> 
>   gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> > On 2013-11-27 19:32:30 +0000, Lewis said:
> 
> >> In message <lyndon-458FD4.18004526112013@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>
> >>   Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:
> >>> Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites, or was it so
> >>> specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that when you menu
> >>> select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.
> >> 
> >> It always could be used with any domain hosting you wanted, but it was
> >> much harder to sync the site in a usable way to a third party host.
> >> 
> >> I would classify as useless at this point.
> 
> > I'm not sure why you say harder and useless.  I use it all the time 
> > with a non-icloud/mobile.me website; I push a button, it syncs. That 
> > easy.
> 
> I must be misremembering. As I recall it I had to public the site
> locally, then manually send it to the host.

I had to do that as well, as for whatever reason iWeb didn't want to do
the uploading. This helped me learn how inefficient the damned thing
was, as I saw how many copies of the same file there were (a copy of
the background image for each page, for example). I currently use
Sandvox.

-- 
Chris Mack       "If we show any weakness, the monsters will get cocky!"
'Invid Fan'             - 'Yokai Monsters Along With Ghosts'

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#19711

On 2013-11-28 19:11:13 +0000, Invid Fan said:

> In article <slrnl9eri8.vs3.g.kreme@mbp55.local>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> 
>> In message <2013112807450986714-xxx@yyyzzz>
>> gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>>> On 2013-11-27 19:32:30 +0000, Lewis said:
>> 
>>>> In message <lyndon-458FD4.18004526112013@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>
>>>> Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:
>>>>> Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites, or was it so
>>>>> specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that when you menu
>>>>> select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.
>>>> 
>>>> It always could be used with any domain hosting you wanted, but it was
>>>> much harder to sync the site in a usable way to a third party host.
>>>> 
>>>> I would classify as useless at this point.
>> 
>>> I'm not sure why you say harder and useless.  I use it all the time
>>> with a non-icloud/mobile.me website; I push a button, it syncs. That
>>> easy.
>> 
>> I must be misremembering. As I recall it I had to public the site
>> locally, then manually send it to the host.
> 
> I had to do that as well, as for whatever reason iWeb didn't want to do
> the uploading.

I'm using the last published version 3.0.4.  In one of the initial 
offerings (v1.x I believe), it published all/most pages as whole 
images. So if there was text and you wanted clip it, it was not 
available. It really sucked. To this date, I still hear people 
bad-rapping iWeb 1.x because it did that so very long ago. Should 
consider the failings of Word 1.x either, in considering it's current 
incarnation?

I don't know when ftp server options became available, but it seemed 
like they were there with the 2.x version as well.

> This helped me learn how inefficient the damned thing
> was, as I saw how many copies of the same file there were (a copy of
> the background image for each page, for example).

Bingo! That's what I'm talking about. iWeb isn't the only program that 
gets improved upon, by the way!

By the way for anybody who'd like to try it, it seems you can 
apparently download 3.02 or 2.04 for free directly from Apple:

	3.0.2:
		http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1104

	2.04:
		http://support.apple.com/kb/dl15

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#19714

On 2013-11-28 20:14:54 +0000, gtr said:

> 	3.0.2:
> 		http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1104
> 
> 	2.04:
> 		http://support.apple.com/kb/dl15

Say, those may only be for updating existing programs now as I ponder it.

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#19718

In article <2013112812145425069-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:

> I'm using the last published version 3.0.4.  In one of the initial 
> offerings (v1.x I believe), it published all/most pages as whole 
> images. So if there was text and you wanted clip it, it was not 
> available. It really sucked. To this date, I still hear people 
> bad-rapping iWeb 1.x because it did that so very long ago. Should 
> consider the failings of Word 1.x either, in considering it's current 
> incarnation?

the original iweb used images for text when the font was not a standard
font so that it could guarantee that it looked the way the designer
intended.

unfortunately, that made web pages huge and non-searchable.

> I don't know when ftp server options became available, but it seemed 
> like they were there with the 2.x version as well.

i'm pretty sure 1.0 could export a site, which you then could upload
however you wanted.

later versions made it so you could do it directly. 

however, it's been years since i used iweb, especially 1.x.

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#19720

On 2013-11-28 20:31:26 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <2013112812145425069-xxx@yyyzzz>, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> 
>> I'm using the last published version 3.0.4.  In one of the initial
>> offerings (v1.x I believe), it published all/most pages as whole
>> images. So if there was text and you wanted clip it, it was not
>> available. It really sucked. To this date, I still hear people
>> bad-rapping iWeb 1.x because it did that so very long ago. Should
>> consider the failings of Word 1.x either, in considering it's current
>> incarnation?
> 
> the original iweb used images for text when the font was not a standard
> font so that it could guarantee that it looked the way the designer
> intended.

Interesting; I wondered why some pages would be images and some were 
left alone.

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#19854

On 11-28-2013, 15:14, gtr wrote:
> By the way for anybody who'd like to try it, it seems you can apparently
> download 3.02 or 2.04 for free directly from Apple:
>
>      3.0.2:
> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1104

"The following disk images couldn't be opened
..... image not recognized"

I probably wouldn't have liked it anyway.

Every web page builder I've ever tried generated HTML that was garbage.

Some of them, granted, made pages that were tolerable
on the outside....

-- 
Wes Groleau

   “But, Professor! I didn't plagiarize! I paid someone to
    write the essay for me, and that person plagiarized!"
               — from http://rateyourstudents.blogspot.com

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#19866

On 2013-12-10 05:49:45 +0000, Wes Groleau said:

> On 11-28-2013, 15:14, gtr wrote:
>> By the way for anybody who'd like to try it, it seems you can apparently
>> download 3.02 or 2.04 for free directly from Apple:
>> 
>> 3.0.2:
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1104
> 
> "The following disk images couldn't be opened
> ..... image not recognized"

As noted in a later post, I think that is only an update for those who 
have an earlier version of iWeb.

> I probably wouldn't have liked it anyway.
> 
> Every web page builder I've ever tried generated HTML that was garbage.

If they were all garbage, I can assure you that iWeb would not have 
changed your opinion of web page builders.

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#19709

On 2013-11-28 16:24:39 +0000, Lewis said:

> In message <2013112807450986714-xxx@yyyzzz>
>   gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
>> On 2013-11-27 19:32:30 +0000, Lewis said:
> 
>>> In message <lyndon-458FD4.18004526112013@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>
>>> Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:
>>>> Can iWeb be used with any other domain hosting sites, or was it so
>>>> specific to apple that it is now useless? I notice that when you menu
>>>> select to "setup domain" that it tries to launch icloud.
>>> 
>>> It always could be used with any domain hosting you wanted, but it was
>>> much harder to sync the site in a usable way to a third party host.
>>> 
>>> I would classify as useless at this point.
> 
>> I'm not sure why you say harder and useless.  I use it all the time
>> with a non-icloud/mobile.me website; I push a button, it syncs. That
>> easy.
> 
> I must be misremembering. As I recall it I had to public the site
> locally, then manually send it to the host.

Seems I remember reading that myself long ago, but that's not how it 
works. You just make some switches on the publishing preferences; from 
MobileMe or Local Folder to ftp server. I use the ftp server and I 
continue to just hit the "publish site" button and it updates it.

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#19678

In article <lyndon-458FD4.18004526112013@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>,
 Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:


Thanks for all the replies. I will give it another look and maybe even 
read the book and see if I can get it to work!

Lyndon

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#19699

On 2013-11-28 05:36:23 +0000, Lyndon said:

> In article <lyndon-458FD4.18004526112013@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>,
>  Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all the replies. I will give it another look and maybe even
> read the book and see if I can get it to work!

There's a book?  If you run into issues let me know, perhaps I can help.

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#19746

On Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:46:26 AM UTC-5, gtr wrote:
 > In article <lyndon-458FD4.18004526112013@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>,
> >  Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:
> ..There's a book?...

Yes..iLife '06 (Avondale Media) by Jim Heid devotes a short (about 20 pp) chapter
to it. 

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#19747

On Thursday, November 28, 2013 10:46:26 AM UTC-5, gtr wrote:
> On 2013-11-28 05:36:23 +0000, Lyndon said:
> 
> 
> 
> > In article <lyndon-458FD4.18004526112013@74.sub-97-136-209.myvzw.com>,
> 
> >  Lyndon <lyndon@someisp.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > Thanks for all the replies. I will give it another look and maybe even
> 
> > read the book and see if I can get it to work!
> 
> 
> 
> There's a book?  If you run into issues let me know, perhaps I can help.

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