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Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks).

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  Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2013-10-26 17:02 -0500
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-26 20:21 -0400
      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Juan I. Cahis <jiclbchSINBASURA@attglobal.net> - 2013-10-27 08:08 -0500
        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-10-27 10:10 -0400
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-10-27 14:16 +1300
      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-26 21:23 -0400
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-27 02:37 +0000
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-26 23:09 -0400
      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-27 09:31 -0500
        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-27 11:00 -0400
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-27 10:30 -0700
      Re: Online iCloud is required when sync(hroniz)ing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-10-27 12:21 -0700
      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 10:20 -0600
        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-28 18:15 +0100
          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 12:31 -0600
            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 18:38 -0400
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> - 2013-10-29 12:16 -0500
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 18:22 +0000
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-10-28 15:57 -0700
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-28 20:56 -0600
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 23:57 -0400
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 00:47 -0400
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 02:02 -0400
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 21:38 -0400
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2013-10-29 19:38 -0700
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 00:50 -0400
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-29 17:01 +0000
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ed Anson <EdAnson@comcast.net> - 2013-10-29 22:21 -0400
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-30 09:09 -0400
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 09:05 +1100
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "857" <8571953@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 06:59 +1100
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-30 14:39 +0000
            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 11:13 +0100
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-10-29 12:59 -0600
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 09:07 +0100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 11:00 -0400
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 16:22 +0100
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-30 14:53 -0400
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-30 14:56 -0400
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2013-10-30 21:01 +0000
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-11-02 06:53 -0700
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:28 +1100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2013-11-02 06:53 -0700
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 09:28 +0100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-31 09:17 -0400
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 15:01 +0100
                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-31 13:35 -0400
                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:28 +0100
                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-10-31 15:36 -0400
                                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 01:46 +0000
                                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-01 22:20 -0400
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Beli <baiheli.pip@xs4all.nl> - 2013-11-02 08:26 +0100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-02 15:06 -0400
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2013-11-02 13:42 +0100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 05:37 +1100
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 06:24 +0100
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 19:32 +1100
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 14:37 +0000
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-03 04:48 +1100
                                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-01 22:45 -0400
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-11-02 14:37 +0000
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-11-02 12:12 -0400
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:32 +0100
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2013-11-05 09:13 +1300
                                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-05 11:19 +0100
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). spamfalle2@arcor.de (Marc Stibane) - 2013-11-05 18:18 +0100
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> - 2013-11-02 22:49 -0600
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-03 05:23 +0000
          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-28 16:08 -0400
            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 11:00 +0100
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 06:28 -0700
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 16:42 +0100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 08:53 -0700
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 17:29 +0100
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 09:41 -0700
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 08:33 +1100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 15:58 -0700
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 12:30 +1100
                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 23:14 -0700
                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:23 +1100
                                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:13 -0700
                                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:24 +1100
                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 16:32 -0700
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 11:22 +1100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-10-31 02:41 +0000
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 20:51 -0700
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-31 18:49 +0000
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:42 +1100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-30 21:55 -0500
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 20:53 -0700
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:43 +1100
                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-10-30 22:05 -0500
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 21:00 -0700
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-10-31 10:01 -0400
                                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-31 07:39 -0700
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:48 +1100
                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-06 17:21 -0600
                                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-06 19:58 -0700
                                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-07 09:32 -0600
                                                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-07 22:03 -0700
                                                    Re: (OT) Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). AV3 <arvimide@earthlink.net> - 2013-11-08 10:48 -0500
                                                      Re: (OT) Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-08 21:34 -0700
                                                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-11-09 10:06 -0600
                                                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-09 20:01 -0700
                                                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-11-09 22:36 -0500
                                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <foo@bar.com> - 2013-11-09 21:26 -0700
                                                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-11-11 09:58 +0000
                                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "M. John Matlaw" <nouser@invalid.com> - 2013-11-10 09:49 -0500
                                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 07:38 +1100
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 16:41 +0100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:08 -0700
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 08:28 +1100
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:44 +1100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 17:52 -0400
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:28 +1100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 15:54 -0700
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 12:28 +1100
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-29 23:08 -0700
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:15 +1100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-10-30 10:11 -0700
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 10:22 +1100
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2013-10-29 10:22 -0400
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-29 16:52 +0100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:42 +1100
              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-30 07:17 +1100
                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-30 09:24 +0100
                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-10-31 03:38 +1100
                    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-10-31 09:53 +0100
                      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-01 08:34 +1100
                        Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-04 17:53 +0100
                          Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-05 05:21 +1100
                            Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-05 12:58 +0100
                              Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-06 05:25 +1100
                                Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Michael Eyd <invalid@eyd.de> - 2013-11-06 12:41 +0100
                                  Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2013-11-07 04:53 +1100
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2013-10-27 19:34 -0500
    Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2013-10-28 17:07 +0000
      Re: Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks). Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2013-10-28 20:44 +0000

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#18801 — Online iCloud is required when synchronizing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks).

http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12117 from http://www.macworld.com/article/2057971/sync-contacts-and-calendars-with-your-iphone-via-itunes-not-in-mavericks-you-dont.html 

Is anyone else annoyed by this cloud force? :(
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#18805

On 2013.10.26, 18:02 , Ant wrote:
> http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12117 from http://www.macworld.com/article/2057971/sync-contacts-and-calendars-with-your-iphone-via-itunes-not-in-mavericks-you-dont.html
>
> Is anyone else annoyed by this cloud force? :(

I use the iCloud for sync on several things so it is an annoyance over 
where Apple may be taking things rather than annoyance at the current 
state of things.

-- 
"Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another."
                                                 -Ambrose Bierce

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#18817

Dear Alan and friends:

Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2013.10.26, 18:02 , Ant wrote:
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12117 from
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2057971/sync-contacts-and-calendars-with-your-iphone-via-itunes-not-in-mavericks-you-dont.html
>> 
>> Is anyone else annoyed by this cloud force? :(
> 
> I use the iCloud for sync on several things so it is an annoyance over
> where Apple may be taking things rather than annoyance at the current state of things.

I have a question about iCloud Contact sync, maybe you can answer it.

At home, we have only one Mac and each of the four family members have a
Contact Group defined on it. And all of us sync only the Contact Group
belonging to him/her through USB, so on each iOS device we get the Contact
Group belonging to his/her owner only.

Is it possible to do the same using iCloud sync, or all the iOS devices of
each family member will receive and sync the four Contact Groups?

Thanks a lot in advance. 

-- 
Enviado desde mi iPad usando NewsTap, Juan I. Cahis, Santiago de Chile.

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#18819

On 2013.10.27, 09:08 , Juan I. Cahis wrote:
> Dear Alan and friends:
>
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2013.10.26, 18:02 , Ant wrote:
>>> http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12117 from
>>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2057971/sync-contacts-and-calendars-with-your-iphone-via-itunes-not-in-mavericks-you-dont.html
>>>
>>> Is anyone else annoyed by this cloud force? :(
>>
>> I use the iCloud for sync on several things so it is an annoyance over
>> where Apple may be taking things rather than annoyance at the current state of things.
>
> I have a question about iCloud Contact sync, maybe you can answer it.
>
> At home, we have only one Mac and each of the four family members have a
> Contact Group defined on it. And all of us sync only the Contact Group
> belonging to him/her through USB, so on each iOS device we get the Contact
> Group belonging to his/her owner only.
>
> Is it possible to do the same using iCloud sync, or all the iOS devices of
> each family member will receive and sync the four Contact Groups?

I hope someone will answer this for you.  I've had such mixed and 
inconsistent results with iCloud sync (single user) that I wouldn't even 
guess at your situation.


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#18807

Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:

> http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12117 from
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2057971/sync-contacts-and-calendars-with-y
> our-iphone-via-itunes-not-in-mavericks-you-dont.html
> 
> Is anyone else annoyed by this cloud force? :(

As I was already using iCloud to sync those features, it doesn't bother
me.

Incidentally, it doesn't force you to use iCloud, just some supported
method of online syncing. Choose your poison, e.g. iCloud or Google, an
Exchange server, or you can run your own CalDAV and CardDAV servers to
host the syncing.

I've seen two people on Macintouch claim that USB syncing still works as
long as iCloud is disabled (they didn't specify whether iCloud was
disabled on the iOS device, the Mac, or both). I haven't tried, and I
can't see how that is possible as Mavericks dropped Sync Services, which
is what iTunes was previously using to sync data with Calendar and
Contacts.

It seems unlikely that Apple would go to the trouble of implementing a
new USB sync mechanism in iTunes just for those not using iCloud, and
then not tell anyone about it.


-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#18808

In article <1lbeidb.1c2d05g13uc617N%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David
Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote:

> I've seen two people on Macintouch claim that USB syncing still works as
> long as iCloud is disabled (they didn't specify whether iCloud was
> disabled on the iOS device, the Mac, or both). I haven't tried, and I
> can't see how that is possible as Mavericks dropped Sync Services, which
> is what iTunes was previously using to sync data with Calendar and
> Contacts.

apple has a tech note saying it's not supported at all.

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#18809

In message <fLGdnaDebrREpvHPnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@earthlink.com> 
  Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:
> http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12117 from http://www.macworld.com/article/2057971/sync-contacts-and-calendars-with-your-iphone-via-itunes-not-in-mavericks-you-dont.html 

Nope. I basically never connect my iOS devices to my computer since
iCould.


-- 
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safely in one pretty and well-preserved piece, but to slide across the
finish line broadside, thoroughly used up, worn out, leaking oil, and
shouting GERONIMO!!!" -- Bill McKenna

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#18811

Ant:
> http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12117 from
> http://www.macworld.com/article/2057971/sync-contacts-and-calendars-with-your-
> iphone-via-itunes-not-in-mavericks-you-dont.html 

> Is anyone else annoyed by this cloud force? :(

No, I find cloud syncing to be most convenient. Three users, five Macs,
three iPads, three iPhones, several iPods. Any user can be on the road
with any device and everything syncs quickly. Especially handy for
calendars so that all users can keep track of scheduled events and
avoid scheduling conflicts. To have to carry a portable device to a Mac
and sync data via a wire would be soooo last century. :-)

-- 
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you will say in your entire life.

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#18821

Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> Ant:
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12117 from
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2057971/sync-contacts-and-calendars-with-your-
>> iphone-via-itunes-not-in-mavericks-you-dont.html 
> 
>> Is anyone else annoyed by this cloud force? :(
> 
> No, I find cloud syncing to be most convenient. Three users, five Macs,
> three iPads, three iPhones, several iPods. Any user can be on the road
> with any device and everything syncs quickly. Especially handy for
> calendars so that all users can keep track of scheduled events and
> avoid scheduling conflicts. To have to carry a portable device to a Mac
> and sync data via a wire would be soooo last century. :-)

I don't like the idea of the Cloud belong the only option.

Maybe I won't get a Mac after all, my Win system does still work just fine
for what I do.

Hopefully, by the time both companies ruin things too much, I won't be
caring that much anymore anyways.
bj
(Ok, I know, I'm an old fogey)

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#18822

Ant:
> >> Is anyone else annoyed by this cloud force? :(

Davoud:
> > No, I find cloud syncing to be most convenient. Three users, five Macs,
> > three iPads, three iPhones, several iPods. Any user can be on the road
> > with any device and everything syncs quickly. Especially handy for
> > calendars so that all users can keep track of scheduled events and
> > avoid scheduling conflicts. To have to carry a portable device to a Mac
> > and sync data via a wire would be soooo last century. :-)

bj:
> I don't like the idea of the Cloud belong the only option.

OK. À chacun son goût, n'est-ce pas?

> Maybe I won't get a Mac after all, my Win system does still work just fine
> for what I do.

Why would you even consider getting a Mac if Windows is working for you?

> Hopefully, by the time both companies ruin things too much, I won't be
> caring that much anymore anyways.

Anyways?

> (Ok, I know, I'm an old fogey)

Your belief that change equals ruin would tend to support that.

-- 
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you will say in your entire life.

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#18826

On 10/26/2013 3:02 PM PT, Ant typed:

> http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12117 from http://www.macworld.com/article/2057971/sync-contacts-and-calendars-with-your-iphone-via-itunes-not-in-mavericks-you-dont.html

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5460803 (lots of angry and upset 
posts) and 
https://www.change.org/petitions/apple-bring-the-100-offline-sync-for-ios-back 
...
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#18828 — Re: Online iCloud is required when sync(hroniz)ing contacts and calendars between iPhone and iTunes in the new Mac OS X 10.9 (Mavericks).

On 10/27/2013 10:30 AM PT, Ant typed:

>> http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12117 from
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/2057971/sync-contacts-and-calendars-with-your-iphone-via-itunes-not-in-mavericks-you-dont.html
>
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5460803 (lots of angry and upset
> posts) and
> https://www.change.org/petitions/apple-bring-the-100-offline-sync-for-ios-back
> ...

I also submitted a Bug Reporter (https://bugreport.apple.com/) ticket to 
have local sync(hronization) features back in 10.9+.
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#18912

At 27 Oct 2013 10:30:44 -0700 Ant wrote:
> On 10/26/2013 3:02 PM PT, Ant typed:
> 
> > http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12117 from
http://www.macworld.com/article/2057971/sync-contacts-and-calendars-with-
your-iphone-via-itunes-not-in-mavericks-you-dont.html
> 
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5460803 (lots of angry and upset
posts) and https://www.change.org/petitions/apple-bring-the-100-offline-
sync-for-ios-back ...


I had to smirk when reading this thread, only because as a participant on
Microsoft's Community support forums for Windows Phones, this is a giant
deja vu.  MS, in their infinite wisdom, removed USB PIM sync from their
Windows Phone OS in 2010, "forcing" users to sync via any number of cloud
methods (Exchange, Live/Hotmail, Google, etc.) and the crying, wailing,
and complaining had been a staple of the MS Community forums to this day.

Strap yourselves in- this will be a wild ride.  My favorite part will be
those who threaten to immediately (and ironically) switch to Android
(which, of course, pioneered cloud-only sync, via Google. To this day
there is no native Android USB PIM sync- the few awkward wired options
are provided by third-party apps or "second-party" apps added to phones
by OEMs like HTC or Samsung.)

There are myriads of workarounds if your concern is privacy, including
simply running your own CardDAV/CalDAV server on your own computer (or,
alternately, an Exchange/compatible server app if you're an
Outlook/Windows user) and becoming your own "cloud".  You'll still be
syncing wirelessly, but directly between your devices, rather than
storing your data on other intermediate servers.

I guess what surprised me the most about this, both back in 2010 with
Windows Phone, and now with iOS, is how many people are still syncing via
USB to create these vociferous protest groups kvetching about it.  I went
wireless long before being "forced" to using a variety of methods based
on what was available at the time, giving up wired PIM syncing long
before the iPhone even existed.  I'd think the number of people *wanting*
to sync via USB would be roughly equal to the number who prefer to
regularly communicate via fax machine!

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#18917

Am 28.10.2013 17:20, schrieb Todd Allcock:

> I went wireless long before being "forced" to using a variety of
> methods based on what was available at the time, giving up wired PIM
> syncing long before the iPhone even existed.

Your decision.

> I'd think the number of people *wanting* to sync via USB would be
> roughly equal to the number who prefer to regularly communicate via
> fax machine!

And I think that there are still many people out there (many more than 
you think), that would rather not put anything into any cloud - least 
any private information. Might be different in the US, but in Europe 
e.g. mentalities may differ quite a lot from the ones in the US. And the 
latest discussions about the NSA (and others) spying on basically 
everybody don't help here either...

Best regards,

Michael

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#18918

At 28 Oct 2013 18:15:52 +0100 Michael Eyd wrote:
> Am 28.10.2013 17:20, schrieb Todd Allcock:
> 
> > I went wireless long before being "forced" to using a variety of
> > methods based on what was available at the time, giving up wired PIM
> > syncing long before the iPhone even existed.
> 
> Your decision.
> 
> > I'd think the number of people *wanting* to sync via USB would be
> > roughly equal to the number who prefer to regularly communicate via
> > fax machine!
> 
> And I think that there are still many people out there (many more than
you think), that would rather not put anything into any cloud - least any
private information. Might be different in the US, but in Europe e.g.
mentalities may differ quite a lot from the ones in the US. And the
latest discussions about the NSA (and others) spying on basically
everybody don't help here either...


Fair enough, but as I said, there are plenty of "private cloud" options,
that allow you to sync your devices wirelessly with each other without a
cloud intermediary.  I suspect a smart guy or gal will quickly take
advantage of this news to develop (or repackage a few open source tools,
to create) a simple solution for OS X users (much like how a small dev @
Akruto.com seems to be making a decent living peddling his $25 cloudless
Outlook-to-Winodws/Android phone faux-Exchange server software to cloud-
phobic Windows users.  There's no reason it wouldn't work on iPhones as
well, if/when Apple drops USB PIM sync support from iTunes, since iOS
supports Exchange.)

The USB methodology was a reasonable one when we all had one or two PCs
and a Palm Pilot (anyone besides me remember the days of using your Palm
or Pocket PC to keep the contacts and calendar on your desktop and laptop
PCs in sync?), but it fails when we're trying to sync several computers,
a few phones, and a tablet or two with the same data store.

I don't think either MS or Apple are/were up to anything nefarious (e.g.
"forcing us to the cloud") by dropping USB support- they both likely just
hit a wall in their development cycles where they deemed the cost of
continuing such support was no longer practical given the robust and
popular alternatives they and others offer.  With MS, it was their new
Windows Phone OS- the old Windows Mobile OS had USB sync, but the new
(and incompatible) OS was incompatible with the existing USB sync software.
Since the new OS had media playing software loosely based on the failed
Zune media player, they opted to follow the path of least resistance (and
resources) use the existing Zune desktop sync software to sync media with
Windows Phones, but because the Zune software (unlike iTunes) didn't
support PIM sync, MS declared wireless Exchange Activesync (which already
existed, and the phone needed to support anyway) would be the sole PIM
sync method, requiring no new sync software to be written.

As incompetent as most here probably think MS is, they didn't make the
decision lightly- they had data from their prior mobile efforts guiding
them, which told them far fewer than 50% of Windows Mobile users had
*ever* plugged their phone into a PC to sync *anything* (and this was at
a time when MS offered no free comprehensive wireless sync options-
Exchange sync required an Exchange server or a monthly subscription for
Exchange hosting.) So, prior to the launch of the new Windows Phone OS,
MS added Exchange Activesync support to their free Live/Hotmail accounts
allowing free wireless PIM sync with Outlook (using a Microsoft cloud
account as an intermediary) to any EAS-compatible device (Windows Phone,
Android, iOS, Symbian, etc.), rendering USB sync, in their opinion, if
not unnecessary, at least an edge-case scenario.  

Fast forward to 2013, when Apple is releasing a new desktop OS, and,
well, we all know what Apple thinks of "edge cases"...  ;) I'm sure some
one at Apple looked at the cost of building iOS/Mac PIM sync services
into 10.9 and said "F--k it! Let them eat iCloud! Android never had USB
sync, and Microsoft, the poster child for legacy support and backwards
compatibility, stopped supporting USB sync three years ago!"  

Ironically, Apple, the first company to drop "legacy" floopy disks and
optical drives from their products is actually the last company to
support turn-of-the-century Palm Pilot sync technology (which also wreaks
havoc with less savvy users that turn on both wired and iCloud sync and
get to slog through the duplicate data that often creates.) So, while I
certainly sympathise with those who wish to keep their data under their
exclusive control, they are now a minority who will have to expend a
little more effort to continue (e.g. setting up a local server/"private
cloud") maintaining that level of security. (And, perhaps, actually end
up better off after all, with the conveniences and benefits of cloud sync
without the privacy sacrifices.) If Akruto Sync or Companion Link for
Outlook/Windows filling the void in the Windows Phone/Android ecosystems
is any indication, this might help bolster the market for easy-to-use
"private cloud" apps for home computers that might convince more folks to
re-examine their blind faith in the cloud products from Apple, MS, and
Google and at least taking a second look at the risks/rewards/benefits of
cloud services vs. using local servers for PIM, media, etc.

Or, we might all just let the NSA know everything there is to know about
us from our friends, to our favorite restaurants, to our kids' soccer
schedules...  ;)

 

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#18924

Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
...
> 
> 
> Fair enough, but as I said, there are plenty of "private cloud" options,
> that allow you to sync your devices wirelessly with each other without a
> cloud intermediary. 



 Is the current assumption that everyone with any device now has full- time
cloud access anywhere on the planet?  Not true.


-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#18933

Erilar:
>  Is the current assumption that everyone with any device now has full- time
> cloud access anywhere on the planet?  Not true.

Everyone who uses the Internet uses remote servers (the "cloud"). So
let's change what you wrote by a little bit. It is safe to assume that
everyone with full-time Internet access, from the slowest dial-up to
cellular wireless to the fastest broadband, has full-time cloud access.

-- 
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you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#18971

Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> Erilar:
>>  Is the current assumption that everyone with any device now has full- time
>> cloud access anywhere on the planet?  Not true.
> 
> Everyone who uses the Internet uses remote servers (the "cloud"). So
> let's change what you wrote by a little bit. It is safe to assume that
> everyone with full-time Internet access, from the slowest dial-up to
> cellular wireless to the fastest broadband, has full-time cloud access.

I don't have it the moment I walk out my door.  I don't have it in my car.
I don't have it outdoors amywhere I've looked something up yet.  None of my
internet- dependent apps work in such places. That"s why i load my iPad
with things that work amywhere, particularly for travel.  I realize I'm not
"everyone", but I don't really believe I an unique in this reect.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#18975

Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>> Erilar:
>>>  Is the current assumption that everyone with any device now has full- time
>>> cloud access anywhere on the planet?  Not true.
>> 
>> Everyone who uses the Internet uses remote servers (the "cloud"). So
>> let's change what you wrote by a little bit. It is safe to assume that
>> everyone with full-time Internet access, from the slowest dial-up to
>> cellular wireless to the fastest broadband, has full-time cloud access.
> 
> I don't have it the moment I walk out my door.  I don't have it in my car.
> I don't have it outdoors amywhere I've looked something up yet.  None of my
> internet- dependent apps work in such places. That"s why i load my iPad
> with things that work amywhere, particularly for travel.  I realize I'm not
> "everyone", but I don't really believe I an unique in this reect.


I have no objection to cloud-sync being available for those who want to use
it.
I do object to it being the only option.

So do a lot of other people, apparently.

And BTW that cloud access isn't free when I'm using it on cell data -- does
it have to sync very time you make a change on the device when you're out &
about? or will it sync only on your demand (so you can save that $data for
what *you* want to use to for)?
bj

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#18976

bj <address_is@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
>> Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
>>> Erilar:
>>>>  Is the current assumption that everyone with any device now has full- time
>>>> cloud access anywhere on the planet?  Not true.
>>> 
>>> Everyone who uses the Internet uses remote servers (the "cloud"). So
>>> let's change what you wrote by a little bit. It is safe to assume that
>>> everyone with full-time Internet access, from the slowest dial-up to
>>> cellular wireless to the fastest broadband, has full-time cloud access.
>> 
>> I don't have it the moment I walk out my door.  I don't have it in my car.
>> I don't have it outdoors amywhere I've looked something up yet.  None of my
>> internet- dependent apps work in such places. That"s why i load my iPad
>> with things that work amywhere, particularly for travel.  I realize I'm not
>> "everyone", but I don't really believe I an unique in this reect.
> 
> 
> I have no objection to cloud-sync being available for those who want to use
> it.
> I do object to it being the only option.
> 
> So do a lot of other people, apparently.
> 
> And BTW that cloud access isn't free when I'm using it on cell data -- does
> it have to sync very time you make a change on the device when you're out &
> about? or will it sync only on your demand (so you can save that $data for
> what *you* want to use to for)?
> bj
I don't pretend to know, but am nevertheless pretty sure there'd be a
charge every time.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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