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How do mac users create a blank text file where you want it?

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First post	2015-04-20 00:40 +0000
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#29136

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 18:49 +1200
Message-ID	<1m36xd1.16p10y61ud8yv6N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29088

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> do_ray_me-DC16C8.14334320042015@aioe.org
> 
> > If you know the default, you can change it for the doc you are working
> > on via the Format menu or simply Shift Command T.
> 
> This keyboard combination makes the Morton's Fork choice more palatable!
> 
> I'll inform the Macintosh user about the Shift Command T shortcut.
> 
> Thanks!

How does a keyboard shortcut shown right next to the menu option help a
user more than just being shown the menu? Are you trying to ensure they
forget how to do this?
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#29153

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 07:10 +0000
Message-ID	<mh28pf$i5o$47@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29136

jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
1m36xd1.16p10y61ud8yv6N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz

> How does a keyboard shortcut shown right next to the menu option help a
> user more than just being shown the menu? Are you trying to ensure they
> forget how to do this?

Good point.

The menu option will always be there, and, if they do it multiple times 
in sequence, they can just *look* at the menu hint.

I agree with you.

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#29176

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-20 20:13 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3714x.amcz7l8lcltaN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29153

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote in message
> 1m36xd1.16p10y61ud8yv6N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz
> 
> > How does a keyboard shortcut shown right next to the menu option help a
> > user more than just being shown the menu? Are you trying to ensure they
> > forget how to do this?
> 
> Good point.
> 
> The menu option will always be there, and, if they do it multiple times
> in sequence, they can just *look* at the menu hint.
> 
> I agree with you.

Ok, now I'm worried I've given you bad advice, if you actually agree
with me. Nothing you ever agree with is rational...
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#29193

From	dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date	2015-04-20 19:44 +1000
Message-ID	<do_ray_me-F42955.19441220042015@aioe.org>
In reply to	#29136

In article <1m36xd1.16p10y61ud8yv6N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> 
> > dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > do_ray_me-DC16C8.14334320042015@aioe.org
> > 
> > > If you know the default, you can change it for the doc you are working
> > > on via the Format menu or simply Shift Command T.
> > 
> > This keyboard combination makes the Morton's Fork choice more palatable!
> > 
> > I'll inform the Macintosh user about the Shift Command T shortcut.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> 
> How does a keyboard shortcut shown right next to the menu option help a
> user more than just being shown the menu? Are you trying to ensure they
> forget how to do this?

Yes, the menu itself *is* quite important to an unsure user because it 
tells him or her what the change is to and from what. If he or she 
knows what is default, the same key combo will work to change it from 
the one to the other but that does not immediately *tell* the user 
what they are really doing in the way that an inspection of the menu 
does.

-- 
dorayme

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#29087

From	"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
Date	2015-04-20 05:08 +0000
Message-ID	<mh21l0$i5o$13@news.albasani.net>
In reply to	#29063

JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
55347fa4$0$4647$b1db1813$46decd27@news.astraweb.com

> Then you no longer want an empty text file.

I agree. All we were trying to do was save some text into a portable 
ASCII text file which was going to be put on a flash disk for use off
the Macintosh.

In most operating systems, there are multiple ways of doing that, 
but on the Macintosh, the method of creating an empty file isn't
one of them.

For our purpose today, that's fine, but, I can see instances where
placeholder empty files might be useful - but that's not my beef
at this point in time (as I'm sure there must be easy ways to create 
placeholder files on the Macintosh). 

> TextEdit application Textedit Menu -> Preferences.  "New Document"
> Format = Plain Text.
> Save preferences.
> 
> Whenebver you want a new file, you start Textedit, File -> New and
> voila.

That lousy option turns out to be one of two in the Morton's Fork of 
choices that Apple provides the Macintosh user.

It turns out that, if you choose that option, you *lose* the option
of saving as the other available file formats using the default text 
editor. 

And, if you choose the only other option, you have to first save as the 
wrong format, in order to subsequently convert the file to the right 
format (and ok a dialog box warning you of any adverse effects).
 
> For a better plain text editor, look for TextWrangler. 
> Not sure the URL for download.

Given only two (IMHO, both idiotic) options available in the default text
editor, I can easily see why everyone advocates a better text editor
than the one that Apple provides on the Macintosh by default!

Thanks!

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#29257

From	Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date	2015-04-20 12:10 -0400
Message-ID	<55352509$0$19438$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#29087

In article <mh21l0$i5o$13@news.albasani.net>,
 "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote in message
> 55347fa4$0$4647$b1db1813$46decd27@news.astraweb.com
> 
> > Then you no longer want an empty text file.
> 
> I agree. All we were trying to do was save some text into a portable 
> ASCII text file which was going to be put on a flash disk for use off
> the Macintosh.
> 
> In most operating systems, there are multiple ways of doing that, 
> but on the Macintosh, the method of creating an empty file isn't
> one of them.
> 
> For our purpose today, that's fine, but, I can see instances where
> placeholder empty files might be useful - but that's not my beef
> at this point in time (as I'm sure there must be easy ways to create 
> placeholder files on the Macintosh). 
> 
> > TextEdit application Textedit Menu -> Preferences.  "New Document"
> > Format = Plain Text.
> > Save preferences.
> > 
> > Whenebver you want a new file, you start Textedit, File -> New and
> > voila.
> 
> That lousy option turns out to be one of two in the Morton's Fork of 
> choices that Apple provides the Macintosh user.
> 
> It turns out that, if you choose that option, you *lose* the option
> of saving as the other available file formats using the default text 
> editor. 
> 
> And, if you choose the only other option, you have to first save as the 
> wrong format, in order to subsequently convert the file to the right 
> format (and ok a dialog box warning you of any adverse effects).
>  
> > For a better plain text editor, look for TextWrangler. 
> > Not sure the URL for download.
> 
> Given only two (IMHO, both idiotic) options available in the default text
> editor, I can easily see why everyone advocates a better text editor
> than the one that Apple provides on the Macintosh by default!
> 
> Thanks!

Jesus christ on a crutch! There are 260 messages in this thread because 
you can't figure out how to save a fucking file in plain text? Eejit.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#29259

From	billy@MIX.COM
Date	2015-04-20 16:34 +0000
Message-ID	<mh39qv$ppt$3@reader2.panix.com>
In reply to	#29257

In comp.sys.mac.system Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jesus christ on a crutch! There are 260 messages in this thread because 
> you can't figure out how to save a fucking file in plain text? Eejit.

Man, am I glad I read your first.

Thanks!!

Billy Y..
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

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#29278

From	dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com>
Date	2015-04-21 11:17 +1000
Message-ID	<do_ray_me-67EEBF.11174821042015@aioe.org>
In reply to	#29257

In article <55352509$0$19438$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>,
 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jesus christ on a crutch! There are 260 messages in this thread because 
> you can't figure out how to save a fucking file in plain text? Eejit.

It may only be the superficial reason. Deep down perhaps, it was in 
the blueprint for the Big Bang. If you doubt this, explain why so many 
who have contributed have probably felt it *against* their better 
judgment or even freewill. You see, they were helpless against the 
great forces that fashion this world.

-- 
dorayme

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#29294

From	Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date	2015-04-21 07:13 -0400
Message-ID	<553630ce$0$46974$c3e8da3$aae71a0a@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#29278

In article <do_ray_me-67EEBF.11174821042015@aioe.org>,
 dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> wrote:

> In article <55352509$0$19438$c3e8da3$b1356c67@news.astraweb.com>,
>  Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Jesus christ on a crutch! There are 260 messages in this thread because 
> > you can't figure out how to save a fucking file in plain text? Eejit.
> 
> It may only be the superficial reason. Deep down perhaps, it was in 
> the blueprint for the Big Bang. If you doubt this, explain why so many 
> who have contributed have probably felt it *against* their better 
> judgment or even freewill. You see, they were helpless against the 
> great forces that fashion this world.

Starring Keanu Reeves ...
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#29246

From	gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date	2015-04-20 08:28 -0700
Message-ID	<20150420082800239-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to	#28991

On 2015-04-20 02:11:47 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420151842061874%michelle@michelle.org
> 
>> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
> 
> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
> 
> I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
> 
> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
> as simple and mundane as this.

You can do it in one compound step: Select the text you will paste and 
drag it to the desktop. It will create an ascii vessel for you called a 
.textclipping.

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#29247

From	gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz>
Date	2015-04-20 08:32 -0700
Message-ID	<2015042008322842748-xxx@yyyzzz>
In reply to	#29246

On 2015-04-20 15:28:00 +0000, gtr said:

> On 2015-04-20 02:11:47 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:
> 
>> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
>> 190420151842061874%michelle@michelle.org
>> 
>>> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
>> 
>> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
>> 
>> I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
>> ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
>> and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
>> 
>> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
>> as simple and mundane as this.
> 
> You can do it in one compound step: Select the text you will paste and 
> drag it to the desktop. It will create an ascii vessel for you called a 
> .textclipping.

I guess that's actually a version of an .rtf file.  Nevermind.

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#29293

From	Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>
Date	2015-04-21 10:22 +0000
Message-ID	<slrnmjc97n.307.howard@foxtrot.local>
In reply to	#28991

On 2015-04-20, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way, 
> because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).

Yes, you're not using your head.  Even on Windows, the Desktop isn't the
main way to create files.  Programs are the way to create files.  So use
whatever program you intend to use to paste the text into your file.

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#29327

From	Alan Baker <email@domain.com>
Date	2015-04-21 18:32 -0700
Message-ID	<mh6tn8$2oq$1@news.datemas.de>
In reply to	#28991

On 2015-04-20 02:11:47 +0000, Adam H. Kerman said:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote in message
> 190420151842061874%michelle@michelle.org
> 
>> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
> 
> I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
> 
> I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> and it contains just the text I want to be in it.

So copy the text, open TextEdit, paste, save.

Done.

> 
> It should be a couple of steps, tops, to do something
> as simple and mundane as this.

You not understanding the simple steps doesn't mean they don't exist.

> 
> It shouldn't take more than a dozen steps (see the detailed
> post), which, in the end, still don't result in an ASCII
> text document.
> 
> I must be doing something wrong (i.e., not the Macintosh way,
> because the Mac just can't be this hard to use and inefficient).

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#29338

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Date	2015-04-22 02:03 -0400
Message-ID	<220420150203396530%nospam@nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#29327

In article <210420152253587119%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?

don't worry. he'll be back under a different name with another bizarre
question.

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#29341

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-21 23:31 -0700
Message-ID	<210420152331453104%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#29338

In article <220420150203396530%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <210420152253587119%michelle@michelle.org>, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?
> 
> don't worry. he'll be back under a different name with another bizarre
> question.

Of course, but in the meantime, we can kill this thread.

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#29339

From	Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org>
Date	2015-04-21 22:53 -0700
Message-ID	<210420152253587119%michelle@michelle.org>
In reply to	#29327

In article <mh6tn8$2oq$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
<email@domain.com> wrote:

> >> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
> > 
> > I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
> > 
> > I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> > ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> > and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
> 
> So copy the text, open TextEdit, paste, save.
> 
> Done.

Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?

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#29340

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-22 18:28 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3alwh.1blv81w140yzmlN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29339

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <mh6tn8$2oq$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> <email@domain.com> wrote:
> 
> > >> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
> > > 
> > > I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
> > > 
> > > I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> > > ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> > > and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
> > 
> > So copy the text, open TextEdit, paste, save.
> > 
> > Done.
> 
> Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?

Yup. But he'll be back under a new nick, all 'confused' over some simple
matter even small children manage to get to grips with.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#29343

From	Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date	2015-04-22 08:17 -0400
Message-ID	<55379159$0$25104$c3e8da3$92d0a893@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#29340

In article <1m3alwh.1blv81w140yzmlN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> 
> > In article <mh6tn8$2oq$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> > <email@domain.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > >> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
> > > > 
> > > > I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> > > > ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> > > > and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
> > > 
> > > So copy the text, open TextEdit, paste, save.
> > > 
> > > Done.
> > 
> > Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?
> 
> Yup. But he'll be back under a new nick, all 'confused' over some simple
> matter even small children manage to get to grips with.

That used to be Bible John, but he'd use his "questions" as an excuse 
for us to go look at his christer web pages and maybe come to the light.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#29350

From	jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet)
Date	2015-04-23 04:16 +1200
Message-ID	<1m3bbb7.1cp6z8y8be1q1N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>
In reply to	#29343

Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <1m3alwh.1blv81w140yzmlN%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
>  jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:
> 
> > Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <mh6tn8$2oq$1@news.datemas.de>, Alan Baker
> > > <email@domain.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > >> But that is what the OP wanted to create.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I simply want to paste some ASCII text into a text document.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't care HOW the text file is created as long as the
> > > > > ASCII text document has a name and location that I choose
> > > > > and it contains just the text I want to be in it.
> > > > 
> > > > So copy the text, open TextEdit, paste, save.
> > > > 
> > > > Done.
> > > 
> > > Has anyone noticed that Adam H. Kerman seems to have vanished?
> > 
> > Yup. But he'll be back under a new nick, all 'confused' over some simple
> > matter even small children manage to get to grips with.
> 
> That used to be Bible John, but he'd use his "questions" as an excuse
> for us to go look at his christer web pages and maybe come to the light.

I have him killfiledd, but have not noticed his gaps in threads for
years. Can't say that I miss the unethical waste of carbon.
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#29359

From	Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com>
Date	2015-04-22 13:06 -0400
Message-ID	<5537d514$0$38646$b1db1813$65575428@news.astraweb.com>
In reply to	#29350

In article <1m3bbb7.1cp6z8y8be1q1N%jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz>,
 jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) wrote:

> killfiledd

Killfiledd  sounds like a town in Wales. You'd pronounce it 
kill-FILL-edth.

[Note: this is not a flame]

(Dai).
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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