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  Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-20 12:39 -0600
    Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-12-20 18:59 +0000
      Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2013-12-20 22:18 -0800
    Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-20 14:17 -0500
      Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-20 14:53 -0500
        Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-20 16:11 -0600
          Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-20 17:27 -0500
            Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-21 10:40 -0600
              Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2013-12-21 10:59 -0800
                Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-21 16:18 -0500
                Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> - 2013-12-22 10:25 -0600
                  Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-22 14:02 -0500
                    Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-22 23:10 -0500
                      Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-22 20:44 -0800
                  Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-22 23:32 +0000
                  Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-23 11:38 +1100
                Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-23 00:36 -0500
          Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-21 10:33 +1100
          Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-20 21:28 -0500
            Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-20 21:33 -0500
              Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-21 20:45 +1100
      Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-21 09:26 +1100
    Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-12-20 21:30 +0000
      Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2013-12-21 09:20 +1100
      Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2013-12-20 17:23 -0500
      Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-20 17:26 -0500
        Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-12-22 02:43 +0000
      Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2013-12-20 22:27 +0000
        Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-12-20 18:40 -0500
          Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2013-12-21 02:24 +0000
        Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-12-21 06:02 +0000
      Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> - 2013-12-20 21:43 -0500
        Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-12-20 20:24 -0700
    Re: Sending Images to Windows Users (and AOL) Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2013-12-20 21:03 -0800

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#20058

In article <l92ukt$rio$2@dont-email.me>,
 Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us> wrote:

> one can 
> only go so far with folks who choose to PRETEND that they are stupid.

What's the difference between someone who chooses to pretend to be 
stupid and pretends to be stupid and one who just pretends to be 
stupid?

-- 
dorayme

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#20035

In article <201220131417527555%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article
> <lybanon-9B4621.12390820122013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>, Matthew
> Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> > I use Mail.app for email.  When I send image attachments, some Windows 
> > users complain that the images are "embedded" in the message body, not 
> > attachments.  Searching on the Microsoft website unearthed the 
> > information that, in Outlook, although image attachments APPEAR to be in 
> > the message body when messages are in RTF format, they are still 
> > attachments.  And Microsoft gives detailed instructions on how to get 
> > those image attachments.
> 
> outlook is broken (no surprise there).
> 
> <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/814111>
>   When you receive a message that uses the content-disposition=inline
>   MIME type, Outlook renders the embedded content as an attachment.
> 
>   This behavior is by design.
> 
> if you're sending the email marked as inline and their mail client
> ignores that (which outlook intentionally does), then there's not much
> you can do other than tell them to stop using outlook.
> 
> > Sometimes those detailed instructions don't help.  With some people, if 
> > they can't get the images in the way they are accustomed to, NOTHING you 
> > (or MIcrosoft) tell them makes any difference.  So I have learned to 
> > choose Make Plain Text from Mail.app's Format menu, I always check the 
> > Send Windows-Friendly Attachments box, and I choose Insert Attachments 
> > at End of Message in Edit menu/Attachments.
> >
> > But even so, recently a Windows user who has AOL told me that "I got the 
> > images in the body of the email, but did not get any attachments."  Does 
> > anyone have any insight into this problem, and (even better) suggestions 
> > about how to deal with it?
> 
> switch to a non-broken email client. 
> 
> maybe there's a workaround, but the problem is not at your end, so you
> shouldn't bother doing anything. as long as your mail is standards
> complaint, you're fine.

There is something that you can do that is foolproof, if it is very 
important to communicate to a particular person, namely load the 
images to a server and give him or her the web address in the body of 
the email. It is very simple and quick to do, it is not quite as 
simple as dragging a pic to an email compose field but not that much 
more trouble. It has the distinct advantage that you only load it once 
and then it is available to everyone you email from then if you give 
them the address. If you need help on how to do this, give a shout.

As a Xmas present to the group and partly to illustrate the above, I 
have a folder for just pics on a server and here is one pic that 
illustrates an idea I had for scroll bar that was a bit different, I 
emailed a few IT companies with the idea but no one seemed to take it 
up. I got *letters of rejection*. 

<http://dorayme.netweaver.com.au/justPics/wigglyscrolling.png>

I cannot think why my ideas are so quickly slapped down?

-- 
dorayme

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#20028

On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:39:08 UTC, Matthew Lybanon 
<lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I use Mail.app for email.  When I send image attachments, some Windows 
> users complain that the images are "embedded" in the message body, not 
> attachments. 

I have a different problem with Windows users. Once in a while I 
want to send a screen grab to a Windows user. Shift-Command-4 
produces a JP2 file and the Grab app produces a TIFF. The Windows 
user says he can't view either of those formats, so I have to 
convert them to JPGs for him.

This is a nuisance.

-- 
John Varela

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#20031

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-ZmdT3kr3sWF3@localhost>,
 "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> problem with Windows users. Once in a while I 
> want to send a screen grab to a Windows user. Shift-Command-4 
> produces a JP2 file and the Grab app produces a TIFF. The Windows 
> user says he can't view either of those formats, so I have to 
> convert them to JPGs for him.
> 
> This is a nuisance.

I have my Shift-Command-4 deliver png. You can too. Or even simple jpg.

-- 
dorayme

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#20032

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-ZmdT3kr3sWF3@localhost>,
 "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 18:39:08 UTC, Matthew Lybanon 
> <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> > I use Mail.app for email.  When I send image attachments, some Windows 
> > users complain that the images are "embedded" in the message body, not 
> > attachments. 
> 
> I have a different problem with Windows users. Once in a while I 
> want to send a screen grab to a Windows user. Shift-Command-4 
> produces a JP2 file and the Grab app produces a TIFF. The Windows 
> user says he can't view either of those formats, so I have to 
> convert them to JPGs for him.
> 
> This is a nuisance.

When I use Shift-Command-4 it creates a PNG file. I'm using SL, has it 
changed?

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#20034

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-ZmdT3kr3sWF3@localhost>, John Varela
<newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> I have a different problem with Windows users. Once in a while I 
> want to send a screen grab to a Windows user. Shift-Command-4 
> produces a JP2 file and the Grab app produces a TIFF. The Windows 
> user says he can't view either of those formats, so I have to 
> convert them to JPGs for him.

he can't view a tiff? 

anyway, set the default screen capture format to jpeg.

tinkertool will do it, which does the defaults write command whose
parameter i don't remember.

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#20088

On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 22:26:06 UTC, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> 
wrote:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-ZmdT3kr3sWF3@localhost>, John Varela
> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> > I have a different problem with Windows users. Once in a while I 
> > want to send a screen grab to a Windows user. Shift-Command-4 
> > produces a JP2 file and the Grab app produces a TIFF. The Windows 
> > user says he can't view either of those formats, so I have to 
> > convert them to JPGs for him.
> 
> he can't view a tiff? 
> 
> anyway, set the default screen capture format to jpeg.
> 
> tinkertool will do it, which does the defaults write command whose
> parameter i don't remember.

Thanks. I have an old copy of TinkerTool and it did the job, but I 
was moved to download the version for Mountain Lion.

-- 
John Varela

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#20037

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-ZmdT3kr3sWF3@localhost>,
John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>I have a different problem with Windows users. Once in a while I 
>want to send a screen grab to a Windows user. Shift-Command-4 
>produces a JP2 file and the Grab app produces a TIFF. 

I don't know what a JP2 file is (not some sort of JPEG?), but on 
both the 10.6 Mac I have at home and the 10.8 one I'm using at work, 
Shift-Cmd-4 generates PNG files.


Patty

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#20044

In article <52b4c458$0$52757$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter
<patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

> >I have a different problem with Windows users. Once in a while I 
> >want to send a screen grab to a Windows user. Shift-Command-4 
> >produces a JP2 file and the Grab app produces a TIFF. 
> 
> I don't know what a JP2 file is (not some sort of JPEG?), 

jpeg 2000, a format that never caught on

> but on 
> both the 10.6 Mac I have at home and the 10.8 one I'm using at work, 
> Shift-Cmd-4 generates PNG files.

unless it's set to a different format.

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#20045

In article <201220131840504242%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
nospam  <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>In article <52b4c458$0$52757$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net>, Patty Winter
><patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
>
>> both the 10.6 Mac I have at home and the 10.8 one I'm using at work, 
>> Shift-Cmd-4 generates PNG files.
>
>unless it's set to a different format.

I didn't know that you could change the format of C-S-4 files.
Well then, that solves the OP's problem.


Patty

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#20055

In message <52b4c458$0$52757$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> 
  Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-ZmdT3kr3sWF3@localhost>,
> John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>I have a different problem with Windows users. Once in a while I 
>>want to send a screen grab to a Windows user. Shift-Command-4 
>>produces a JP2 file and the Grab app produces a TIFF. 

> I don't know what a JP2 file is (not some sort of JPEG?)

No, JP2 is the Windows TLE for JPEG 2000.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jpeg_2000>

>, but on both the 10.6 Mac I have at home and the 10.8 one I'm using at
>work, Shift-Cmd-4 generates PNG files.

Yeah, the OP obviously changed his default at some point.

defaults write com.apple.screencapture type png

Should fix it.

-- 
"If 386BSD had been available when I started on Linux, Linux would probably never had happened." Linus Torvalds

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#20048

On 12-20-2013, 16:30, John Varela wrote:

> I have a different problem with Windows users. Once in a while I
> want to send a screen grab to a Windows user. Shift-Command-4
> produces a JP2 file and the Grab app produces a TIFF. The Windows
> user says he can't view either of those formats, so I have to
> convert them to JPGs for him.

Shift-Cmd-4 puts both PNG and TIFF on the clipboard.  What Mail pastes 
in, I don't know.  Windows out-of-the-box handles both with no problem.

If he's not lying to you, then someone has changed his file associations.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   “But, Professor! I didn't plagiarize! I paid someone to
    write the essay for me, and that person plagiarized!"
               — from http://rateyourstudents.blogspot.com

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#20051

In article <l92v8t$v90$1@dont-email.me>, Wes Groleau <Usenet@Grolea.us>
wrote:

> > I have a different problem with Windows users. Once in a while I
> > want to send a screen grab to a Windows user. Shift-Command-4
> > produces a JP2 file and the Grab app produces a TIFF. The Windows
> > user says he can't view either of those formats, so I have to
> > convert them to JPGs for him.
> 
> Shift-Cmd-4 puts both PNG and TIFF on the clipboard.

Command-shift-4 puts a PNG (or whatever format you have set the system
to use) on the desktop; command-control-shift-4 puts the image on the
clipboard.

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#20053

In article 
<lybanon-9B4621.12390820122013@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
 Matthew Lybanon <lybanon@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I use Mail.app for email.  When I send image attachments, some Windows 
> users complain that the images are "embedded" in the message body, not 
> attachments.  Searching on the Microsoft website unearthed the 
> information that, in Outlook, although image attachments APPEAR to be in 
> the message body when messages are in RTF format, they are still 
> attachments.  And Microsoft gives detailed instructions on how to get 
> those image attachments.
> 
> Sometimes those detailed instructions don't help.  With some people, if 
> they can't get the images in the way they are accustomed to, NOTHING you 
> (or MIcrosoft) tell them makes any difference.  So I have learned to 
> choose Make Plain Text from Mail.app's Format menu, I always check the 
> Send Windows-Friendly Attachments box, and I choose Insert Attachments 
> at End of Message in Edit menu/Attachments.
> 
> But even so, recently a Windows user who has AOL told me that "I got the 
> images in the body of the email, but did not get any attachments."  Does 
> anyone have any insight into this problem, and (even better) suggestions 
> about how to deal with it?

I would send email with embedded JPGs and the receiver couldn't read 
them. They were to small or unreadable. So I switched to using Gmail to 
send that sort of thing to people. Works much better.

-- 
DeeDee, don't press that button!  DeeDee!  NO!  Dee...
[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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