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Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

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  Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-08 12:16 -0800
    Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-08 20:35 +0000
    Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? PhillipJones <pjonescet@comcast.net> - 2015-02-08 18:52 -0500
      Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-02-08 19:10 -0500
      Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-09 13:18 +1300
      Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? David Moorman <email@domain.com> - 2015-02-08 18:30 -0600
        Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-09 02:41 +0000
    Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-08 19:18 -0500
      Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit   their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-09 20:20 +0000
        Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit   their programs correctly? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-09 20:55 +0000
          Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit     their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-10 21:34 +0000
            OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-11 08:56 -0800
              Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users   don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-13 01:56 +0000
                Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-13 15:08 -0800
                  Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-14 03:20 +0000
                    Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-13 19:54 -0800
                      Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-15 03:14 +0000
                        Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-14 22:17 -0500
                          Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-16 01:26 +0000
                        Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-15 16:31 +1300
                          Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? David Moorman <email@domain.com> - 2015-02-15 00:29 -0600
                          Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-16 01:28 +0000
                            Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-16 01:43 +0000
                              Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users   don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-16 18:32 +0000
                            Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-02-16 08:22 +0000
                              Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users   don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-16 18:35 +0000
                                Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users   don't exit/quit their programs correctly? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-16 13:54 -0500
                                  Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users   don't exit/quit their programs correctly? David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-02-16 14:01 -0600
                                    Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-16 16:15 -0500
                        Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-15 05:52 +0000
                          Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2015-02-15 11:51 -0800
                            Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-15 21:10 +0000
                              Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-15 18:13 -0800
                    Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-14 18:19 +1300
                      Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-15 03:23 +0000
                        Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-15 16:39 +1300
                          Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-16 01:30 +0000
                            Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-16 18:29 +1300
                              Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-18 02:21 +0000
                                Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-18 19:22 +1300
                                  Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-18 22:52 +0000
                                    Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-19 20:06 +0000
                                      Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-20 19:41 +1300
                                        Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-02-20 04:16 -0500
                                        Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X   users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-20 07:15 -0500
                  Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-14 08:23 +0000
                    Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-14 01:15 -0800
                      Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-02-15 23:32 +1300
                        Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-15 18:15 -0800
            Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit     their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-16 18:28 +0000
        Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit   their programs correctly? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-09 16:04 -0500
        Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit   their programs correctly? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-09 17:28 -0500
        Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit   their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-10 13:06 +1300
          Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit   their programs correctly? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2015-02-09 19:32 -0500
        Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit   their programs correctly? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-10 01:51 +0000
          Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit     their programs correctly? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-02-10 21:35 +0000
    Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-08 17:33 -0800
      Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-09 02:19 +0000
        Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-08 21:30 -0500
        Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-09 00:18 -0800
      Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-08 21:43 -0700
        Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? David Moorman <email@domain.com> - 2015-02-08 22:55 -0600
          Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-08 22:44 -0700
        Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-09 00:18 -0800
          Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-02-09 06:15 -0500
            Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? M-M <nospam@ny.more> - 2015-02-09 10:46 -0500
              Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-02-09 16:18 +0000
              Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-09 10:42 -0700
                Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-02-10 01:50 +0000
            Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-09 10:42 -0700
          Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-02-09 10:41 -0700
      Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2015-02-10 10:52 +0100
        Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-02-10 12:17 -0800
    Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-02-09 00:06 -0500
      Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-10 03:14 -0800
        Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2015-02-10 14:35 -0500
          Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-11 08:59 -0800
            Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-11 12:57 -0500
              Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2015-02-11 17:42 -0800
                Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-12 16:44 +1300
                  Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-12 09:31 -0500
                    Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-02-13 09:17 +1300
                      Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-02-12 22:17 +0000
                        Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-12 19:09 -0500
                      Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-02-12 19:07 -0500
    Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Siri Crews <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2015-02-09 16:23 -0800
    Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2015-02-10 01:34 -0800

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#27876 — Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:22:52 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
wrote:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-fHXXHUoBtkUp@localhost>, John Varela
> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> > 
> > This is a picture of the Parallels Desktop VM running OS/2, open to 
> > a different point in this thread. The pane at upper right is what I 
> > mean when I refer to the message tree. The Thoth display sounds like
> > it might be similar. Is it? If it is, I'll take a look at Thoth.
> > 
> > http://preview.tinyurl.com/ocrtvha
> 
> 
> A combination of my ancient Mac and my useless ISP means TinyUrl and
> DropBox don't work, but here's a screengrab of Thoth's window for the
> topics in comp.sys.mac.system (with this particular topic having the
> disclosure triangle open):
> http://s21.postimg.org/e68s5gr1z/Topic_List.jpg
> 
> and the window that opens when you double click a topic:
> http://s13.postimg.org/thfa9hlfr/Message_List.jpg
> 
> My message are in blue due to a filter to highlight my messages to make
> them easier to see which have replies.  :-)

Wow. That looks very like what I want. I'll download it right away 
and take a look at it. The web site says it's updated to 10.9.

-- 
John Varela

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#27883 — Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:52:24 UTC, "John Varela" 
<newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:22:52 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> > In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-fHXXHUoBtkUp@localhost>, John Varela
> > <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > This is a picture of the Parallels Desktop VM running OS/2, open to 
> > > a different point in this thread. The pane at upper right is what I 
> > > mean when I refer to the message tree. The Thoth display sounds like
> > > it might be similar. Is it? If it is, I'll take a look at Thoth.
> > > 
> > > http://preview.tinyurl.com/ocrtvha
> > 
> > 
> > A combination of my ancient Mac and my useless ISP means TinyUrl and
> > DropBox don't work, but here's a screengrab of Thoth's window for the
> > topics in comp.sys.mac.system (with this particular topic having the
> > disclosure triangle open):
> > http://s21.postimg.org/e68s5gr1z/Topic_List.jpg
> > 
> > and the window that opens when you double click a topic:
> > http://s13.postimg.org/thfa9hlfr/Message_List.jpg
> > 
> > My message are in blue due to a filter to highlight my messages to make
> > them easier to see which have replies.  :-)
> 
> Wow. That looks very like what I want. I'll download it right away 
> and take a look at it. The web site says it's updated to 10.9.
 
No joy. The web site is dead and the domain name is for sale. 
Wikipedia says that the program hasn't been for sale since 2013.

-- 
John Varela

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#27887 — Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-DG00vBydYnSZ@localhost>, John Varela
<newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:52:24 UTC, "John Varela" 
> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:22:52 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> 
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > A combination of my ancient Mac and my useless ISP means TinyUrl and
> > > DropBox don't work, but here's a screengrab of Thoth's window for the
> > > topics in comp.sys.mac.system (with this particular topic having the
> > > disclosure triangle open):
> > > http://s21.postimg.org/e68s5gr1z/Topic_List.jpg
> > > 
> > > and the window that opens when you double click a topic:
> > > http://s13.postimg.org/thfa9hlfr/Message_List.jpg
> > > 
> > > My message are in blue due to a filter to highlight my messages to make
> > > them easier to see which have replies.  :-)
> > 
> > Wow. That looks very like what I want. I'll download it right away 
> > and take a look at it. The web site says it's updated to 10.9.
>  
> No joy. The web site is dead and the domain name is for sale. 
> Wikipedia says that the program hasn't been for sale since 2013.

Somewhere / someone will still have the download. Maybe MacUpdate or
the Wayback Machine website archive (http://web.archive.org).

Mine is an ancient version 1.5.4 is from 2002, so probably not worth
uploading even if I could find the original archive / installer (it's
not in my normal folder where I keep old downloads, so must have come
off one of the many magazine CDs I've collected over the years).

I'm not sure what the last version released was, but this link for a
newer-than-mine version 1.8.4 from 2009 still seems to work (2.2MB):
http://www.macorchard.com/thoth/thoth-184-x.dmg
which may or may not work with OS X 10.9.

The problem of course is that it needs a registration code. The newer
version may still work with the old registration codes. Since the
official website no longer exists, I can't see any problem using
someone else's registration code - I'll have to find the one I used.

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#27888 — Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

On 2015-02-20 06:41:50 +0000, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> said:

> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-DG00vBydYnSZ@localhost>, John Varela
> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:52:24 UTC, "John Varela"
>> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:22:52 UTC, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> A combination of my ancient Mac and my useless ISP means TinyUrl and
>>>> DropBox don't work, but here's a screengrab of Thoth's window for the
>>>> topics in comp.sys.mac.system (with this particular topic having the
>>>> disclosure triangle open):
>>>> http://s21.postimg.org/e68s5gr1z/Topic_List.jpg
>>>> 
>>>> and the window that opens when you double click a topic:
>>>> http://s13.postimg.org/thfa9hlfr/Message_List.jpg
>>>> 
>>>> My message are in blue due to a filter to highlight my messages to make
>>>> them easier to see which have replies.  :-)
>>> 
>>> Wow. That looks very like what I want. I'll download it right away
>>> and take a look at it. The web site says it's updated to 10.9.
>> 
>> No joy. The web site is dead and the domain name is for sale.
>> Wikipedia says that the program hasn't been for sale since 2013.
> 
> Somewhere / someone will still have the download. Maybe MacUpdate or
> the Wayback Machine website archive (http://web.archive.org).
> 
> Mine is an ancient version 1.5.4 is from 2002, so probably not worth
> uploading even if I could find the original archive / installer (it's
> not in my normal folder where I keep old downloads, so must have come
> off one of the many magazine CDs I've collected over the years).
> 
> I'm not sure what the last version released was, but this link for a
> newer-than-mine version 1.8.4 from 2009 still seems to work (2.2MB):
> http://www.macorchard.com/thoth/thoth-184-x.dmg
> which may or may not work with OS X 10.9.
> 
> The problem of course is that it needs a registration code. The newer
> version may still work with the old registration codes. Since the
> official website no longer exists, I can't see any problem using
> someone else's registration code - I'll have to find the one I used.

The latest version of Thoth was 1.9.1.2, I think.  There might have 
been 2 versions... a trial and a full version.

I have the zip archive of 1.9.1... but I never got around to 
registering it.  When I finally did - it was gone.

I wanted to use it, since it was more like MT-Newswatcher than anything else.

I'm stuck using the older version of Unison 1.8.1, and compared to 
MT-NW, it pales in comparison.
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Conservatives don't believe in global warming because it felt a little 
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#27889 — Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

In article <200220151941501143%YourName@YourISP.com>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > > Wow. That looks very like what I want. I'll download it right away 
> > > and take a look at it. The web site says it's updated to 10.9.
> >  
> > No joy. The web site is dead and the domain name is for sale. 
> > Wikipedia says that the program hasn't been for sale since 2013.
> 
> Somewhere / someone will still have the download. Maybe MacUpdate or
> the Wayback Machine website archive (http://web.archive.org).

that won't help since it can't be registered.

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#27841 — Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

In article <b9SdnVqBCZWUGUPJnZ2dnUU7-f2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

>>> Wow, IBM's OS/2 and still supported by VMware?
>>
>> Parallels Desktop. Why not?
>>
>> I remember briefly seeing
>>> (not using) back in college's computer science labs in the mid (19)90s.
>>> What do you still use it for though?
>>
>> Only for reading news groups. I've never found an OS X newsreader
>> that I like as well as this antique OS/2 newsreader.
>
>Which newsreader is that? What is special about it compared to others 
>like Tin, Pan, ...

You're forgetting Alley - Tin, Pan, and Alley.

-- 
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bitch, of course, but that's because bitching is fun, unlike M$ OS's, where 
bitching is required to keep your head from exploding." - S Stremler in afc

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#27842 — Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

> You're forgetting Alley - Tin, Pan, and Alley.

I have never heard of Alley. I cannot find anything about with Google. :(
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#27850 — Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote:
>
> > You're forgetting Alley - Tin, Pan, and Alley.
> 
> I have never heard of Alley. I cannot find anything about with Google. :(

I assume it was a joke. If you haven't heard of it, try Googling Tin Pan
Alley.

-- 
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dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#27861 — Re: OS/2 -- Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

On 2/15/2015 2:32 AM, dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

>>> You're forgetting Alley - Tin, Pan, and Alley.
>>
>> I have never heard of Alley. I cannot find anything about with Google. :(
>
> I assume it was a joke. If you haven't heard of it, try Googling Tin Pan
> Alley.

Ah, that's amusing and ironic. Someone should make a usenet newsreader 
named Allery to complete this joke. [grin]
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#27865 — Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:34:18 UTC, "John Varela" 
<newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:55:38 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> > On 2015-02-09, John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> Programs with nothing to do (waiting) don't use enough CPU to be 
> > >> noticeable.  I've had this iMac (24 GB) running with well over a hundred 
> > >> apps (every App in the Apps folder (incl. utilities)) and with nothing 
> > >> to actually do the CPU meters didn't show above a few percent.
> > >> 
> > >> That included at least one (and possibly three) VM's.
> > >  
> > > What kind of VM? Parallels Desktop always uses 100% of a core even 
> > > when the system in the VM has nothing to do.
> >  in Shakespeare in Shakespeare in Shakespeare
> > Not here. Same for VMware Fusion.
>  
> Then it must be because the system I am running in the VM is OS/2. I
> am using it right now to post to the news group. OS/2 reports that 
> it is using about 1% of a CPU. Activity Monitor reports that OS/2 
> (actually eCS 2.0) is using 99.8% of a CPU. 99% of a CPU is 
> disappearing someplace into the interface between the OS and the VM.

I downloaded VM Fusion and imported the Parallels VM into it. Fusion
too uses a full CPU. I think it's something dumb like OS/2 
constantly polling the keyboard in a tight loop and using up all of 
a CPU even when otherwise idle.

-- 
John Varela

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#27769 — Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

On 2015.02.09 15:20 , John Varela wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Feb 2015 00:18:50 UTC, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2015.02.08 15:16 , Ant wrote:
>>> They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons
>>> of softwares still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac
>>> OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users zillions
>>> of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/
>>
>> Teach them CMD-Q.
>>
>> Well.  Maybe.
>>
>> I taught my SO that and she rarely closes programs.  OTOH, she doesn't
>> use much more than Chrome, Excel, Word, iTunes and Message anyway.  Last
>> "boot" was at nearly 80 days from the prior boot.  2 GB of RAM /
>> Mavericks.  On an MBA that shares its memory with the graphics "card".
>>
>> So, it ain't that important.
>>
>> Programs with nothing to do (waiting) don't use enough CPU to be
>> noticeable.  I've had this iMac (24 GB) running with well over a hundred
>> apps (every App in the Apps folder (incl. utilities)) and with nothing
>> to actually do the CPU meters didn't show above a few percent.
>>
>> That included at least one (and possibly three) VM's.
>
> What kind of VM? Parallels Desktop always uses 100% of a core even
> when the system in the VM has nothing to do.

Fusion. Running WinXp, Ubuntu and Suse concurrently.  They can each have 
various idle apps, and the CPU cores are idle as well (other than the 
usual background stuff)

See here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ysg1gl62rgh0e1u/2014-T4%20personnel%20data.xlsx?dl=0

The CPU is at at about 3.25% (26% total over / 8 cores).  And that was 
immediately after loading all three OS' (concurrently).

As I write this it has calmed down further still... about 15% overall 
spread over 8 cores. (including HT cores in that) - so less than 2% 
overall CPU load.

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  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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#27772 — Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

On 2015.02.09 15:20 , John Varela wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Feb 2015 00:18:50 UTC, Alan Browne
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> On 2015.02.08 15:16 , Ant wrote:
>>> They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons
>>> of softwares still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac
>>> OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users zillions
>>> of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/
>>
>> Teach them CMD-Q.
>>
>> Well.  Maybe.
>>
>> I taught my SO that and she rarely closes programs.  OTOH, she doesn't
>> use much more than Chrome, Excel, Word, iTunes and Message anyway.  Last
>> "boot" was at nearly 80 days from the prior boot.  2 GB of RAM /
>> Mavericks.  On an MBA that shares its memory with the graphics "card".
>>
>> So, it ain't that important.
>>
>> Programs with nothing to do (waiting) don't use enough CPU to be
>> noticeable.  I've had this iMac (24 GB) running with well over a hundred
>> apps (every App in the Apps folder (incl. utilities)) and with nothing
>> to actually do the CPU meters didn't show above a few percent.
>>
>> That included at least one (and possibly three) VM's.
>
> What kind of VM? Parallels Desktop always uses 100% of a core even
> when the system in the VM has nothing to do.
Fusion. Running WinXp, Ubuntu and Suse concurrently.  They can each have 
various idle apps, and the CPU cores are idle as well (other than the 
usual background stuff)

See here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cklxe8r2ae96qik/Screen%20Shot%202015-02-09%20at%2015.52.03.jpg?dl=0

The CPU is at at about 3.25% (26% total over / 8 cores).  And that was 
immediately after loading all three OS' (concurrently).

As I write this it has calmed down further still... about 15% overall 
spread over 8 cores. (including HT cores in that) - so less than 2% 
overall CPU load.



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#27773 — Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-3fzvL52dEqzn@localhost>, John Varela
<newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Feb 2015 00:18:50 UTC, Alan Browne 
> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
> > On 2015.02.08 15:16 , Ant wrote:
> > > They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons
> > > of softwares still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac
> > > OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users zillions
> > > of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/
> > 
> > Teach them CMD-Q.
> > 
> > Well.  Maybe.
> > 
> > I taught my SO that and she rarely closes programs.  OTOH, she doesn't 
> > use much more than Chrome, Excel, Word, iTunes and Message anyway.  Last 
> > "boot" was at nearly 80 days from the prior boot.  2 GB of RAM / 
> > Mavericks.  On an MBA that shares its memory with the graphics "card".
> > 
> > So, it ain't that important.
> > 
> > Programs with nothing to do (waiting) don't use enough CPU to be 
> > noticeable.  I've had this iMac (24 GB) running with well over a hundred 
> > apps (every App in the Apps folder (incl. utilities)) and with nothing 
> > to actually do the CPU meters didn't show above a few percent.
> > 
> > That included at least one (and possibly three) VM's.
>  
> What kind of VM? Parallels Desktop always uses 100% of a core even 
> when the system in the VM has nothing to do.

Some applications are notoriously bad for being resource hogs - some
like Parallels / Fusion are by semi-necessity, while others like web
browsers, Flash, or anything from Microsloth and a lot of Adobe's stuff
are by buggy and bad programming.

Even teh Finder and Mac OS X can benefit from an occasional reboot to
get rid of accumulated garbage.

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#27775 — Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

On 2015.02.09 19:06 , Your Name wrote:
> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-3fzvL52dEqzn@localhost>, John Varela
> <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Feb 2015 00:18:50 UTC, Alan Browne
>> <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2015.02.08 15:16 , Ant wrote:
>>>> They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons
>>>> of softwares still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac
>>>> OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users zillions
>>>> of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/
>>>
>>> Teach them CMD-Q.
>>>
>>> Well.  Maybe.
>>>
>>> I taught my SO that and she rarely closes programs.  OTOH, she doesn't
>>> use much more than Chrome, Excel, Word, iTunes and Message anyway.  Last
>>> "boot" was at nearly 80 days from the prior boot.  2 GB of RAM /
>>> Mavericks.  On an MBA that shares its memory with the graphics "card".
>>>
>>> So, it ain't that important.
>>>
>>> Programs with nothing to do (waiting) don't use enough CPU to be
>>> noticeable.  I've had this iMac (24 GB) running with well over a hundred
>>> apps (every App in the Apps folder (incl. utilities)) and with nothing
>>> to actually do the CPU meters didn't show above a few percent.
>>>
>>> That included at least one (and possibly three) VM's.
>>
>> What kind of VM? Parallels Desktop always uses 100% of a core even
>> when the system in the VM has nothing to do.
>
> Some applications are notoriously bad for being resource hogs - some
> like Parallels / Fusion are by semi-necessity, while others like web

Fusion is definitely not a resource hog.

> browsers, Flash, or anything from Microsloth and a lot of Adobe's stuff
> are by buggy and bad programming.

I usually have Excel and Word loaded most of the time and they don't 
affect anything when they're not being used.  The only annoying thing is 
"Open Recent" and Excel/Word pinwheel waiting for attached drives to 
spin up.


>
> Even teh Finder and Mac OS X can benefit from an occasional reboot to
> get rid of accumulated garbage.

Indeed.  Every 30 - 60 days seems to be fine.


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  determined by what remains after your
  bad habits are subtracted from your good ones."
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#27777 — Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

Okay, so one time? In band camp? John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> was all, like:
> What kind of VM? Parallels Desktop always uses 100% of a core even 
> when the system in the VM has nothing to do.

That's certainly not true here.

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#27785 — Re: Doesn't it drive you crazy when Mac OS X users don't exit/quit their programs correctly?

On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 01:51:47 UTC, Lewis 
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? John Varela <newlamps@verizon.net> was all, like:
> > What kind of VM? Parallels Desktop always uses 100% of a core even 
> > when the system in the VM has nothing to do.
> 
> That's certainly not true here.
 
See my response to JR.

-- 
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#27741

On 2015-02-08 20:16:22 +0000, Ant said:

> They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons 
> of softwares still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac 
> OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users 
> zillions of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/

I also drives me crazy when they hunt down the drop-down menu trying to 
find "Quit" and then clicking it, or "Print".  These, instead of the 
long-time hotkeys. Crazy!

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#27742

Okay, so one time? In band camp? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> was all, like:
> On 2015-02-08 20:16:22 +0000, Ant said:

>> They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons 
>> of softwares still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac 
>> OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users 
>> zillions of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/

> I also drives me crazy when they hunt down the drop-down menu trying to 
> find "Quit" and then clicking it, or "Print".  These, instead of the 
> long-time hotkeys. Crazy!

I bet they accidentally quit apps far less often than you do.

There's nothing wrong with using the menus. That is why they are there.

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#27743

In article <slrnmdg6aa.rke.g.kreme@kreme.eternal-september.org>,
 Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> was all, like:
> > On 2015-02-08 20:16:22 +0000, Ant said:
> 
> >> They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons 
> >> of softwares still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac 
> >> OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users 
> >> zillions of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/
> 
> > I also drives me crazy when they hunt down the drop-down menu trying to 
> > find "Quit" and then clicking it, or "Print".  These, instead of the 
> > long-time hotkeys. Crazy!
> 
> I bet they accidentally quit apps far less often than you do.
> 
> There's nothing wrong with using the menus. That is why they are there.

I tend to use CMD-Tab;CMD-Q, but I'm left-handed.
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#27752

On 2015-02-09 02:19:18 +0000, Lewis said:

> Okay, so one time? In band camp? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> was all, like:
>> On 2015-02-08 20:16:22 +0000, Ant said:
> 
>>> They don't use "Quit", but the window's red X button so they have tons
>>> of softwares still running in the background. They wonder why their Mac
>>> OS X is so slow due to low resources. And yes, I told the users
>>> zillions of times about it. They keep thinking Windows. :/
> 
>> I also drives me crazy when they hunt down the drop-down menu trying to
>> find "Quit" and then clicking it, or "Print".  These, instead of the
>> long-time hotkeys. Crazy!
> 
> I bet they accidentally quit apps far less often than you do.
> 
> There's nothing wrong with using the menus. That is why they are there.

There's nothing wrong with picking your nose in public, but it 
sometimes bugs people.  This is what bugs me.  There are worse things: 
Cancer, car accidents, spilled paint--the list is too long to 
ennumerate.  But I thought the *nature* of this quibbling was about 
quibbling over the mundane.  Who cares if people leave programs "open"? 
 Ant does.

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